IS RED WORTH IT IN 2019!? (RED Dragon-X DSMC2 First Look)
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- Опубліковано 27 лип 2024
- Our friend Ash bought the RED Dragon-X so we went over to his house to get a first look! Check out Ash's Instagram, SoundCloud, and UA-cam:
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Beast!
Thanks again Ash for letting us check it out with you! Can't wait for our next shoot together!
Subscribed, stoked for those vlogs with the RED!
Blue Eye Visuals I can’t wait to start shooting with it. I’m very glad I made this purchase
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Not to rain on your parade but that was pretty poor footage. Blown highlights and alot of it out of focus. Not a good look for RED...but that's not the cameras fault.
Good lord, I am not alone...
Not the best indeed but give them time to practice man. Every bit of new tech has its learning curve.
@@AlexanderKlose I'm not really bothered by it bc I was just watching this for fun- but I'd say while you're right- if you're still at a point where you need time to practice (in general or just because it's a new piece of tech you're not familiar with), then maybe it's not the right time for you to be making a review/trying to inform other people's opinions about it something?
also that cc was garbage!
I was literally about to comment that! everything blown up
Solid review man. I'm throughly impressed by how concise it was. Thank you.
I still remember when a DP friend of mine bought a Red One in 2009. In addition to the price of the camera and a $20k set of Cooke glass, he ended up having to buy a new Mac Pro because the Dual G5 system basically melted when it came up against 4K...Also, the camera would overheat every 35 minutes or so... to their credit, Red has continued to innovate both hardware and codec side...and those Cooke lenses fit nicely on every subsequent camera he's purchased.
Incredible story! Thank you for sharing it. LENSES are what matter most as your friend I'm sure has noticed. I never used the RED ONE. I went strait to the Red Scarlet and EPIC MX. It is really amazing how far things have come since then. Have you ever shot on RED?
@@connormccaskill I shot B cam on few jobs with a Red Scarlet w/ Canon glass for a friend's video production company. Two Red cameras required a 6 man team (we shared the 2nd AC & loader) which was a bit much for industrials and booze promos, but the results were great. The workflow improved even just from like 2013-16 with firmware updates and better NLE support. I haven't played with any of the new Reds yet, but I'd like to get my hands on one and see if I can't melt my iMac crunching some 8K footage.. lol
Very good video! I was thinking myself about getting this camera and sometimes I hate to watch videos that are against the purchase of something that I want to get but this reassured me why I will still buy it. I don't do much work for UA-cam (even though a lot of client work will go up on here)I want this for my own features, shorts and mid to high budget commercials and videos. For the whole production company basically. So you reassured me! Thanks Kino!
In term of moneyyy...... we have no money 😂😂😂
Soooo, were gonna need those links to both Ash’s music, and his hair regimen😂🙌🏼
Done! Sorry...had to upload this video fast this morning then head off to some shoots. Just added them all to the description.
haha loved that intro - hats off for that hat edit lol
Hahaha! Thank you sir!
Yep, totally agree on your statement.
It‘s not about If you need it or not.
It‘s about if you want to afford it for your self. Clients mostly wont see the difference, but you always will.
I shot on a lot of different cameras trough the years. From the DVX100b to AF100, GH Series, FS700, FS5 and the A7series.
When I had to make a decision To buy a camera for our company I ended up with a Red Helium. After going through every bits and pieces on competitors.
Not because it is a Red, but because It ticked all the boxes I ever wish to have in a cinema camera.
We bought it in 2016 and now after 3 years of use I can say it was worth every penny.
I had to change a lot in our workflow for on set and post production and think totally different than with smaller dslr style cameras.
The market is flushed with cameras these days and no matter which one I had, i wasn‘t a 100 percent happy.
With the Helium sensor I am now. It‘s crazy how good It works and how buttery smooth that R3D RAW codec edits. Even 8k is possible to edit from an XPS15 of a USBC drive in 1/16 resolution. That makes it great to get the dailies done on the way home and finish the edit in the studio with full quality.
There is no need to spend 50.000 bucks cameras these days but if you want to have that little extra cinematic mojo for your client work, you can rent or even buy an Arri or Red.
For youtube, vlogging and productions that will be refreshed in a very short period, I‘d always go with a small camera system by the way.
It‘s so much less hustle and the content you shoot today is old tomorrow anyway so no need to make it bigger than it needs to be.
Most films are not shot on RED, they’re shot on Alexa.
The outside of a Red camera is like the inside of a "cheese grater" Mac Pro, so modular and sleek, without messy wires.
I love the fact that there are no wires! It is so so clean. I love it.
That camera is insane
big like for honesty
Very impressed by the SloMo in the hairography section.
Haha! Epic long hair goodness!!
*IF* Nikon really enable the Z6 to shoot 4K raw with an external recorder, im buying one as soon as they update the firmware.
I know they said they would do it but it's not done yet, until then, I will wait patiently.
Do a dynamic range comparison with the BMPCC4K and I will give you a free hug over the internet.
I rented a Red just to try it out. And yes - the picture is pretty good, but not that much better. The tiny bit of additional quality costs just a lot of money. And the overall quality of the system was not as good as I expected. And when you look and the prices for accessories .... PAIN! ;)
Totally agree! But it's that extra 10% that Hollywood needs I guess to stand out...also...when you have VFX, amazing lighting, set and prop design, and a real colorist....the RED footage can look amazing...but it's not REALLY the Red then is it????? ;)
Kinotika more than right!
Kinotika well the red raw helps bend the footage and not break it
EMBE Welcome to the world of tech. The final 10% costs 50x more to get into and it pays 50x more. It’s a cutthroat game but it pays well enough when you can make it work to justify it. Otherwise people wouldn’t do it.
High-end gear is certainly interesting to learn about like sports cars are to that industry/hobby. As for suggestions, how about getting one of those full body stabilizers and then vlogging with the Red in a city? lol. Like Dave was saying, more power to the people that have resources to use that stuff. I recently filmed an edited an April 1st video on my cheap smartphone and a tablet that came out 6 years ago... okay, it was for a joke but I think it all turned out alright quality wise. ;D
Thank you for understanding where we are coming from. I know it is a ridiculous camera for most people...but if you can afford it and if you are a legit production company using this...then more power to ya! Ya! We may try a vlog on the red! lol
Good points you brought up.
Which ones in particular stood out?
@@connormccaskill You can buy so much more with $15,000. If they sent you a Red camera you would obviously use it but it would be overkill for UA-cam videos if you don't have the money for it.
I put my Scarlet W in storage for 3 weeks. I took it out to shoot a test, and it wouldn't read the lens .The lens aperture was electronically controlled so this was a problem. I went online and found 3 possible fixes . The first 2 firmware fixes didn't work, so finally I took the lens mount off and cleaned the contacts. It worked - the camera now read the lens. But it was too late in the day to shoot. So I sold the camera. The new owner recently had to put it in for service. I use an URSA Pro now - simple menus, reliable operation, no worries.
Hello how you doing, is it a program or download you have to buy to get the bars in the video at the top and bottom.
I actually don't like the way RED looks. It's too artificial and cool/green. ARRI has much more natural skin tones and dynamic range
It also costs 3x as much as this RED we were using! LOL.
Also...this wasn't shot very good and by no means am I a colorist.
Red can have a tiny bit of green to it like any sensor. But it take so little adjustment to kill that of. Especially with ipp2. Prior to ipp2, arri had better roll of. But I dont think thats the case anymore. Its unfortunately a trend in making "Red vs camera X" and they never use ipp2. If all just used the ipp2 workflow we se better videos. Its more water proof.
I bet this guy read this in a review by a pro and goes from page to page saying the same thing to look smart. What bloody dynamic range you on about?
RED 6K Dragon sensor is the best sensor on the market. Take that to the bank. Do with it what you will. But I would choose that sensor and camera over anything else right now. It just has “IT”
The new color science too has really impressed me! Thanks for sharing man. Big fan of your stuff
Luke, what do you think of the RED Raven? It's one of the least expensive ways into RED right now, with a fairly recent sensor. How would you rate it against the GH5S for colour and overall image quality?
and by it what do you mean ......... drugs or guns.
We fucks with dave's humor. Reminds me of a American version Kai.
7:13 Has Ash removed that protective Red logo sticker yet? 😅 Nice video BTW!
Did your boy to the 6K firmware update on his Dragon-X yet?
need to talk to him and follow up!
Everyone on UA-cam so quick to share reviews without proper knowledge on how to work a beast of a camera like the Dragon X.
Algorithms over Craft - Welcome to the new world.
This comment is a bit late, but I’d say that people conflate image quality and image flexibility. What makes RED so different than a lot of cameras is how far you can push and manipulate the footage- which is something that cannot really be illustrated by showing side by side shots. A better example would be showing how far you can push the scopes between a Nikon and a RED, or whatever camera you want. I’ve owned many cameras that shoot all the way up to 12 Bit RAW, and I’ve never been able to push the footage as far as I can with RED. So really what you’re paying for isn’t just end product image quality, it’s the flexibility to get any look you want without quality loss. That being said, most people don’t need that kind of flexibility for day to day projects.
Abundance, baby!
FYI, all shots that weren’t RED were shot on the Nikon Z6 using the EOSHD Nikon log profile!
Z-LOG is a beast, then again, I would say that :)
The black magic and red camera that is
Totally is! Red is so crazy...but its fun to play with! Just like a sports car or something.
“Playing with it by yourselves.......” ok
Hello, I own an epic x and my sdi/HDMI ports are not connecting so I can't connect a directors monitor and focus pulling . Red says they don't offer services on my camera anymore, can anyone recommend a site or forum where I can find the parts. Cheers.
Oh dang! Bummer! Have you tried reaching out on www.reduser.net?
@@connormccaskill thanks so much
Good Video Bro! Finally someone is telling the truth about all those spoiled youtube-kids who think they need to vlog on a RED. Holy sh*t. There a way better cameras for vlogging. A cinema camera is made for big productions and not for 18 y.o. UA-camrs who spend daddys money.
Mental not to self: Remind me not to shake my head back and forth if someone is shooting slo-mo.
Man the Monstro is going used now for $10-15k
That 240fps 👌🏼
No kickflips?
Say Red isn't worth it in 2019, then what would you go for in 2019?
Z cam, Black Magic.
i think your grading is not showing maximum quality of 5k
Absolutely and I apologize for that. I am by no means a colorist.
@@connormccaskill I think you are improving yourself everyday so no worries. When I graded my first Red footage years ago it looked like shit, but I think i improved myself over the time too.
Best regards and Keep going!
Bring back the introoo... introo is soo good..
Which intro? The original intro?
@@connormccaskill this intro only.. you cut it before it could complete. I love this intro.
You forgot the links to Ash.
Just added them. Had to upload the video fast because I was doing an interview with Chris Hau for Golden Hour Podcast! :P
@@connormccaskill ,ok I understand now. Distracted by Chris and his golden locs
you guys should check your export settings, cause im watching in 1080p and the quality of the video sucks, you should export on 4k
says here's the b-roll test footage... i can't see it in 5k on yt
Why don't you upload in 4k? 1080p on youtube looks horrid
It’s supposed to be 4K???
@@connormccaskill not for me, UA-cam transcode must of messed up
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Mohit Yadav the 1987 Canon 50mm or 28mm.
most people don't focus on getting high end lenses vs camera bodies
Nikon Z6 review, when? 🙏
Ahhh! Yes....we MUST! I have been using the Z6 so so so much and have a LOT to say about it. Soon....soon we will review it
@@connormccaskill Do a two parter, one as it is now and wait for the second part until the RAW update is available!
Blackmagic already proved you don’t need to spend this kind of money to achieve your vision.
It’s better for giant Hollywood productions. Invest in some ND’s and good glass and be smart. 😁
The footage definitely looks good. Almost as good as my a6500 (with a 6k sensor)🤔... ok, slow mo is way better on it. It’s completely way too expensive ... for UA-cam, but if you’re going to make a movie for the big screen, knock yourself out.
Totally agree. It's very unnecessary for most people especially on UA-cam...but for feature film work it fits right in. It is really fun to play with though and you can't deny...the footage does look steamy.
Confused why MKBHD uses REDs when he makes a couple under ten minutes videos a week if that?
Enthusiast
This comment wasn't made on a RED but if RED wants to send me one I'd love to post comments from a RED. Hey RED send me a RED...
The bit about how their focus peaking works differently was pretty neat. I'd like to learn more about the actual shooting experience on them and the interface. Most videos about the REDs don't really go into that it's either "THIS IS SO EXPENSIVE" or "THIS IS SO CINEMATIC" and not a lot of meat.
Great point! Since we have access to it...we should do a proper Kinotika review on it and go over stuff like that!
if you are going to shoot this, no, it is not worth it. It almost feels ridiculous that you can ask a question like this.
I don't understand youtube, a cinema camera is for cinema, not for blowing up your highlights and adding a crappy lut on it.
Red is making a fortune of all of those poeple heavily under using their gear.
wow! It has a flippy screen...
Haha! If only sony would do one!
I think what needs to be remembered is in a natural picture profile, the benefit of a red is diminished. But when you need to push and pull in post, that benefit becomes apparent. As well the extra dynamic range (probably 13 stops and not 16.5+), or the high frame rates while still being able to record in a reasonable compression ratio. And let me say that I hate the red ecosystem, and how proprietary it is. Currently we also own two Panasonic Eva1s with atomos recorders. Truth be told prores raw is great, but not as customizable in pre, or post. It doesn’t have resolve support, and I get tired of transcoding to 4444. Blackmagic doesn’t quite have that high end look, or an olpf (big deal for me). It’s also not as renowned. As much as I hate this, truth is most companies ask for a red or Alexa, any other camera and I find myself explaining why this camera is great
I haven't watched in a while, why the fuck is his name different.
LOL! Refer to this video: ua-cam.com/video/9IUPnMayxNo/v-deo.html
I might get homeless one day from buying too many lenses and camera gear.... pfffff
Dimitris Savvopoulos Homeless? You save all the boxes, don’t you?
@@mavfan1 cardbord home...Yeap!!!
Why do you say that you will be homeless? Lol
kinefinity tho
Red is soooooo expensive
Pro Photography but sooo good
YES! Just like a Porsche or Ferrari!
You both are right
2:20 those legs....
i just sold one of my kidneys on Ebay so i can afford one. Oh shit...still not enough money.
If you’re shooting for the purpose of posting on UA-cam, shoot on the A7III lol
Such a waste lmao. Camera shoots at 8K and you decided to upload a mere 1080p video. At least make it 4k so we can appreciate the details lol
No it’s not worth it. The Pocket 4K and GH5s are the best cameras for under $10.000. After that a C300, Amira or VariCam LT make much more sense depending of you project. They are also more reliable. REDs make great images and that’s all. The Pocket 4K and GH5s also make amazing images and in the end of the day any of these cameras is just a data collecting device and it’s up to you to give the image a look.
Blowned sky on Red, seriously?
lol why do people just talk about the camera they are supposed to show the quality of ? i mean just show the footage
Tell Ash I said he wasted his money.
One of the most redundant videos out there
Not Altizer anymore?
Nick Kentros bro where have you been?😂😂😂
Refer to this video: ua-cam.com/video/9IUPnMayxNo/v-deo.html
Haha! ;)
If you are shooting for youtube you absolutely dont need a Red or Arri, people who watch UA-cam really cant tell the difference, only us pixel peepers see it. A7 iii or a GH5 is more than enough for anything social media or online based. If you are shooting for Netflix or the like then thats a different story. This footage really didnt do that amazing piece of kit any favors but thats not the cameras fault. If you got 20 grand for a camera take a little extra and go shoot something epic.... of course all of this is said through eyes filled with jealousy. lol
I think your missing the point on UA-cam you will not see a difference
To me I see it the same as I would see a Sports car on the highway. It doesnt matter. You dont need a sports car to go the speed limit...but its about all the extra things and sexyness the camera gives us for UA-cam
@@connormccaskill but theres so much more thank just image quality... like dynamic range and color science, those can be seen on youtube
You have no idea what you’re talking about. I say that with as much respect as I can muster.
Yo yo. You talking to me or the original comment? Lol.
Meh, looks meh. You can do focus peaking with your atomos.
Lol of course! And with my Atomos Ninja V soon I can record prores raw with the nikon! :P
@@connormccaskill yeah it's an amazing device
You repeated yourself at the end. But that's fine
the quality was shitty for the price.
Okay we get it, its' expensive but the review really wasn't impressive..
Totally not worth it. It’s not even a practical camera compared to the others.
Rent, Get an old dragon for 6K and stop whining
No it is very easy to explain. You paid a lot for the camera and you wallet needs to justify it. I have seen way better videos using all other cameras. Just go on to vimeo and have a look. You might as well have done this on a Blackmagic 4K and it would look better.
I think you lost credibility when you informed us that you were using a Nikon. 😬
Nikon Z6 with Atomos Ninja V recording ProRes at 10bit in full frame 4k in full log. I don't think that is too bad.
Great work, take a look at my newest upload featuring my
RED Dragon X