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  • @hadronheyson4437
    @hadronheyson4437 3 роки тому

    this is so helpful 😭😭 thank you so much i was so desperate for doing my exam but didn't know the full steps,
    thumbs upp👍

    • @GISRSSolution
      @GISRSSolution  3 роки тому

      Welcome. Please keep in touch. Thank you.

  • @fernandal.galvezaranda6456
    @fernandal.galvezaranda6456 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you! I really learnt from your video and also I enjoy a lot the soundtrack 🔆

  • @MohitSingh-pb6bi
    @MohitSingh-pb6bi 4 роки тому

    Thanks a lot buddy.
    You turned out to be my Savior. 🙏🙏❤❤
    Please keep uploading such necessary awesome videos

  • @kenyataanpahit1474
    @kenyataanpahit1474 3 роки тому +4

    Dear Admin.
    With honour,
    First, i have to say thank you for this tutorial video. But, i have a question to you. What is the name of journal, or proceeding, or book that video used to make this tutorial ?? Please, tell to me 🙏

  • @sivatejamatte8832
    @sivatejamatte8832 4 роки тому

    Very thankful to increase our knowledge, god bless you sir

    • @GISRSSolution
      @GISRSSolution  4 роки тому

      Keep in touch with this channel to get more videos on GIS and Remote sensing. Thank you.

  • @halarousaidousouley3721
    @halarousaidousouley3721 Рік тому

    Many thanks for your hardwork in the sense of sharing knownledge.

  • @Wow-oz4ym
    @Wow-oz4ym Рік тому +2

    Excellent! But I wonder why my output gives me too large value to consider as Celsius whenever I compute the LST following these steps, one after another. Pls, did u do something to the bands before the lst computation??? 👍

    • @salamander5969
      @salamander5969 Рік тому +1

      I see some other video that you should convert it into celcius, assume that the result is Kelvin, and subtract by 273

    • @Wow-oz4ym
      @Wow-oz4ym Рік тому +1

      @@salamander5969 okay, I see! But I also notice that the higher values of the LST are around areas with vegetation and Water bodies, while the areas with built-up density have lower values. This in reality shouldn't be true. So, how do I invert the LST values pls? 🙏🏾

    • @spartakos536
      @spartakos536 Рік тому +1

      @@Wow-oz4ym i completed these steps, and as you did, i also saw high temp. values that not considerable.

    • @ARCH_CSDL
      @ARCH_CSDL Рік тому +1

      @@Wow-oz4ym but there are several factors that could explain this phenomenon:
      The time of day when the LST data was captured is crucial. Vegetation, such as in green spaces and farmlands, can heat up quickly under direct sunlight but also cools down rapidly after sunset. In contrast, built-up areas tend to retain heat longer due to the urban heat island effect. If your data was captured during midday or early afternoon, it's possible that the vegetation areas were at their peak temperature, while the urban areas had not yet reached their maximum. Check the metadata and find when the data was captured on that date (Scene_Center_Time) and then convert it from UTC to your local time. If it is early morning, then it makes sense.

  • @rakeshranjan280
    @rakeshranjan280 4 роки тому +1

    It will be a great help if you send the document elaborating the process shown in your video. Secondly, is there any solution to saturation temperature being very low in the LANDSAt 8 TIRS data.

    • @GISRSSolution
      @GISRSSolution  4 роки тому

      Please Write your email here so that I can send you.

    • @rakeshranjan280
      @rakeshranjan280 4 роки тому

      ranjan685@gmail.com.
      Furthermore, can you explain how to calculate the area over a specific cut off temperature.

    • @GISRSSolution
      @GISRSSolution  4 роки тому +1

      @@rakeshranjan280 I have sent you the documents. Anyways, could you please elaborate your questions again? I did not get your points. Thanks.

    • @Geozike23
      @Geozike23 3 роки тому

      @@GISRSSolution can you please send me the documents... Isaaczene27@gmail.com

  • @SuperShinyable
    @SuperShinyable 4 роки тому +2

    Hi this is a really great tutorial! Perhaps do you have any scientific paper reference that backs up these formulas on this video? Thanks

    • @GISRSSolution
      @GISRSSolution  4 роки тому +3

      There are so many reference you will find in LST related research. However, I have mentioned here some of these.
      1. Avdan, U., & Jovanovska, G. (2016). Algorithm for automated mapping of land surface temperature using LANDSAT 8 satellite data. Journal of Sensors, 2016.
      2. Reddy, S. N., & Manikiam, B. (2017). Land surface temperature retrieval from LANDSAT data using emissivity estimation. International Journal of Applied Engineering Research, 12(20), 9679-9687.
      3. Yue, W., Xu, J., Tan, W., & Xu, L. (2007). The relationship between land surface temperature and NDVI with remote sensing: application to Shanghai Landsat 7 ETM+ data. International Journal of Remote Sensing, 28(15), 3205-3226.
      4. Malik, M. S., & Shukla, J. P. (2018). Retrieving of land surface temperature using thermal remote sensing and GIS techniques in Kandaihimmat watershed, Hoshangabad, Madhya Pradesh. Journal of the Geological Society of India, 92(3), 298-304.

  • @MohammedAbdulkadir-e9k
    @MohammedAbdulkadir-e9k Рік тому +4

    Pls Sir, can the same steps be followed for a LANDSAT bands 4, 5 and 10 that are downloaded from USGS C2, L2? I've attempted several times but the high LST value finally was more that 200, and the low value more than 50! That can't be possible

    • @kingsleykanjin3308
      @kingsleykanjin3308 Рік тому

      Have you found the answer to your question? I am facing the same challenge.

    • @ARCH_CSDL
      @ARCH_CSDL Рік тому

      I used the same steps for Landsat 8 and it worked perfectly. A tip: make sure you download the Landsat on a date without clouds. @@kingsleykanjin3308

  • @alele5410
    @alele5410 4 роки тому

    i have seen the tutorial of lst by landsat 8 .it is good ,short and precise
    sir, please share the LST processing using landsat 5 and landsat 7
    thank you for your kind response

    • @GISRSSolution
      @GISRSSolution  4 роки тому

      ua-cam.com/video/4tG7mr2_mdc/v-deo.html Pls follow this tutorial

  • @mrs_park8803
    @mrs_park8803 10 місяців тому +1

    Do i need to do the TOA reflectance conversion too?

  • @mozgurcelik
    @mozgurcelik Рік тому

    The video is so good for me. Thank you ☺

  • @pruthashah4444
    @pruthashah4444 4 роки тому +2

    few days back i made lst maps and it was going all proper but since lst 2-3 it isnt showing the desired results

  • @오그로
    @오그로 3 роки тому

    I hope you to reply to about this question. In calculating PV, some other learning video insert the min NDVI as minus, although the min value was minus. Which one is right??

  • @debobratasadhukhan8493
    @debobratasadhukhan8493 3 роки тому +1

    Why the NDVI Value doesn't come +1 and -1 in your tutorial? time 10:44 sec

  • @eduardomorales1698
    @eduardomorales1698 3 роки тому

    Hello, thank you so much, for the tutorial!. Only question. The final values are in ° Celcius?

  • @sitifatinorain7942
    @sitifatinorain7942 3 роки тому

    can this method use for estimating the sea surface temperature (SST)? what is the next step after calculating the toa? thank you.

  • @derekotieno3268
    @derekotieno3268 4 роки тому

    Hello, what is the correction value for band 11 if I wanted to do the conversion to TOA Radiance? You have only listed for band 10 as per the video.

  • @pruthashah4444
    @pruthashah4444 4 роки тому +1

    even when i am applying the same formula as that in the video it shows wrong raster sign poping from below..... whats the reason for that ??

  • @jonathanallsup4836
    @jonathanallsup4836 2 роки тому +1

    Where did you get the list with the K constants? Great video!

  • @cristianesantanagalvao1014
    @cristianesantanagalvao1014 3 роки тому

    Have you rescaled the band 10 from 16 to 8 bits? Before this process?

  • @damarisfernandafredespuent6834
    @damarisfernandafredespuent6834 3 роки тому

    Hi! thanks for the tutorial, can LST analysis be done with Landsat 7 and 8 images, for multitemporal analysis?

  • @mirzawaleed4930
    @mirzawaleed4930 4 роки тому

    Great video brother keep it up...

  • @fadhilarfinza5186
    @fadhilarfinza5186 3 місяці тому +1

    may i ask you sir. what citation do u have for the paper contains the proccess or step (formula) in that video? is that from books or a research?

    • @duynguyenhoang189
      @duynguyenhoang189 2 місяці тому

      gistechkz.blogspot.com/2020/12/calculate-lst-land-surface-temperature.html

  • @w.w.8951
    @w.w.8951 3 роки тому +1

    for the water bodies, the LST is pretty low and abnormal, such as -18 to -20 celsius. Any solutions for it?

  • @saidokieh2493
    @saidokieh2493 3 роки тому

    Good tutorial,otherwise do u have any video concerning about NDVI time series data with 12 years spam ....how to extract ndvi as a polygone area...

    • @GISRSSolution
      @GISRSSolution  3 роки тому

      Please check my other videos, you will find NDVI and relevant others. Thanks

  • @basic9957
    @basic9957 2 роки тому

    Hello sir, please can you elaborate more on the estimation of Emissivity. Which values did you factor in the equation. Are they the same values used for other images?

  • @김지원학생조경·지역

    Do I need to remove the clouds from the landsat Band 10 data? I'm asking you a question because the data in the video doesn't look like clouds.

  • @gebrehiwotgetu2259
    @gebrehiwotgetu2259 4 роки тому +2

    thank you again!!! if you other files with regarding of remote sensing data, please give me? I need your help

  • @ARCH_CSDL
    @ARCH_CSDL Рік тому

    Great Tutorial, Thanks!!

  • @topiscrotis5171
    @topiscrotis5171 3 роки тому

    Great video! How can we see the average temperature of the study area?

  • @precillanoablen9688
    @precillanoablen9688 Рік тому

    hi, does the values of the formula of emissivity is constant in estimating Land Surface Temperature? or depends of the location of the area?

  • @alowwong6672
    @alowwong6672 2 роки тому

    Hi. Could you explain the formula of the land surface emissivity calculation? The emissivity of representative terrestrial materials for Landsat 8 TIRS Band 10 are constant values, right?

  • @w.w.8951
    @w.w.8951 3 роки тому

    Dear, it is me again. One more question. I got two landsat datasets. One for landsat8- collection 1 level and the other for the collection2 level2. I wonder which one is better for LST? Thanks

  • @dynachouroukzitouni1706
    @dynachouroukzitouni1706 10 місяців тому +2

    Can you please reply to me, i have an issue, my results are not realistic, they are too high, and i suspect that the problem is with the BT its high than normal can you please reply

    • @fatimazohra7804
      @fatimazohra7804 10 місяців тому +1

      I am facing the same issue and not once but everytime i make one , the values are 60,80,95,-289

    • @subhanvhora8902
      @subhanvhora8902 9 місяців тому +1

      @@fatimazohra7804 I have same issue can i know how you solve your problem ?

    • @PoojaSharma-hs1dz
      @PoojaSharma-hs1dz 2 місяці тому

      Have you got the solution ? I am also facing same issue.

    • @PoojaSharma-hs1dz
      @PoojaSharma-hs1dz 2 місяці тому

      @@subhanvhora8902 Have you got the solution ? I am also facing same issue.

  • @KennethMasion-d7e
    @KennethMasion-d7e 16 днів тому

    Nice video, very informative. How can i get the document please

  • @surabhisoni3460
    @surabhisoni3460 2 роки тому

    Does constants we are considering for formulas from MTL file varies when we apply this formula to a clipped area of whole image?

  • @javedchoudhary3125
    @javedchoudhary3125 3 роки тому +2

    Sir Humne 0.0003342 kaise calculate kiya pls tell me and thus value is same for every satellite for band 10 or not pls tell me

  • @shalugeorge6075
    @shalugeorge6075 3 роки тому +1

    Sir, what is the correction value of band 6 in landsat 5 and landsat 8

  • @andilemazaleni2784
    @andilemazaleni2784 2 роки тому +3

    Please kindly assist on how to calculate Land Surface Albedo

  • @skriyajulislam817
    @skriyajulislam817 11 місяців тому +1

    which algorithm used for this performances

  • @surajs5266
    @surajs5266 2 роки тому

    I am trying to automate these steps in the model builder. Any method for getting the min and max values of the NDVI raster without manually typing it?

    • @atha1678
      @atha1678 2 роки тому

      hi you manage to do it?

    • @surajs5266
      @surajs5266 2 роки тому

      @@atha1678 No!

    • @thisgirl99
      @thisgirl99 Рік тому

      Hi, I know it's too late but putting it here in case someone needs it:
      You should use Get Raster Properties tool and choose max and min
      And then from the model only tools, add the Calculate value too for each of them. And that's it!

    • @nastyabudina4289
      @nastyabudina4289 2 місяці тому +1

      @@thisgirl99 thanks a lot!

  • @MohitSingh-pb6bi
    @MohitSingh-pb6bi 3 роки тому

    Which algorithm it is ? mono window algorithm ? single channel algorithm ? or split window algorithm ?

  • @BleyCraft
    @BleyCraft 2 роки тому

    Sir, i need help! Where did you get the 0.29 as correction value for band 10 to calculate the TOA Radiance?

    • @rakhi178
      @rakhi178 2 роки тому

      Yes, I have also the same doubt. Could you please clarify?

    • @oguzgokce18
      @oguzgokce18 2 роки тому

      www.usgs.gov/landsat-missions/landsat-8-oli-and-tirs-calibration-notices answer was hard to find. but found at last, cost me about an hour

  • @zarraftajwar6429
    @zarraftajwar6429 3 роки тому

    Hello, while calculating the PV you were showing NDVI-NDVImin but in the raster calculator, you have calculated NDVI+NDVImin.. Which one is correct ?

  • @khimsopheak9423
    @khimsopheak9423 Рік тому

    Dear Sir, may you tell where to find the reference that you add 0.29 as a value for band 10 correction?

  • @angelatamoria4055
    @angelatamoria4055 3 роки тому

    Do all procedures apply to landsat 8 level 2 products? Or do I need to skip some steps?

  • @AdhayanAcademy
    @AdhayanAcademy 2 роки тому

    Calculate the land surface temperature of the Kamarhati Municipality area on multi temporal and multi seasonal basis (years: 1992 and 2022, December/January and April). Can you slove this?

  • @shubhayanroychowdhury1048
    @shubhayanroychowdhury1048 2 роки тому

    Is it mono window algorithm which was used as LST retrieval algorithm??

  • @mohammadeqbalpopal3974
    @mohammadeqbalpopal3974 3 роки тому +2

    how do change this LST to air temperature in 2m above ground?

  • @SachinSharma-mc7gk
    @SachinSharma-mc7gk 3 роки тому

    For example. When we download satellite data from google earth engine...then how we can bifurcate the data into several bands....please answer

  • @mohammadkamruzzman1836
    @mohammadkamruzzman1836 Рік тому

    Hello, recent USGS EarthExplorer image metadata file does not have Radiance multiple Band, Radiance Add Band info. etc. In that case, how to calculate land surface temperature please suggest..

  • @nurfarhanaabdulaziz1949
    @nurfarhanaabdulaziz1949 3 роки тому

    hi...i want to ask, what if i don't minus 0.29 during calculate radiance?

  • @aiyndrilabhakta9432
    @aiyndrilabhakta9432 Рік тому

    Sir... Now collection 1 level 1 band set is not available in USGS earth explorer which is used to do LST or NDVI mapping.... Can you please guide me how can I find that or Is there any other option we can use? It's urgent

  • @sahanasjalageri1092
    @sahanasjalageri1092 Рік тому

    Tqsm for dis but i want the topic about forest change detection on land surface temperature pls can u help me 🙏

  • @anitayadav9387
    @anitayadav9387 2 роки тому

    Sir can i use aster data for land surface temperature? In Landsat data and Aster data, whose data is more correct for land surface temperature, pls sir reply

  • @sanjananakod54
    @sanjananakod54 11 місяців тому

    Is that ok if the LST comes in negative values

  • @mulatamare5175
    @mulatamare5175 2 роки тому

    is are any differences if I will apply computation of LST in clipped data based on my study area?

  • @Puranamsagar
    @Puranamsagar 4 роки тому

    well explained bro.........

  • @MasoudZamanipoor-um1ic
    @MasoudZamanipoor-um1ic Рік тому +1

    What is the algoritm name that you used?

  • @kageyama7934
    @kageyama7934 Рік тому

    Are the temperature values of the LST map in degree Celsius ?

  • @RevMck
    @RevMck 9 місяців тому +1

    hi, do you still send this document to people who need it?

  • @ksabmagar5846
    @ksabmagar5846 4 роки тому

    What might be similar process in ENVI?

    • @GISRSSolution
      @GISRSSolution  4 роки тому

      yeah, the formula is same for ENVI also. Thank you.

  • @ZulfiqarAliAbbas-jass
    @ZulfiqarAliAbbas-jass Рік тому

    Very Informative

  • @elizamcmaster3379
    @elizamcmaster3379 3 роки тому

    What does the value 0.004 represent for emissivity?

  • @brianmassawe6800
    @brianmassawe6800 Рік тому +1

    What Is The Unit for LST in This Process

  • @khruveluchizo1587
    @khruveluchizo1587 2 роки тому

    And also which version of ArcGIS are you using ?

  • @barnasarkar6610
    @barnasarkar6610 3 роки тому

    After creating the project after completng all the step the range is coming to a 4 digit no , which is not suppose to come , what m i suppose to do ??

  • @EMINOUELABGHARY
    @EMINOUELABGHARY 10 місяців тому

    I found a problem in calculating PV. raster calculator does not work

  • @samnavin9616
    @samnavin9616 3 роки тому

    Dear sir...what is the 0.004 value corresponds in Land Surface Emmisivity

  • @imchatur
    @imchatur 3 роки тому

    if min ndvi is negative, we should take it as it is?

  • @adefebrian4045
    @adefebrian4045 2 роки тому

    The values ​​of Band 4 and Band 5 are different, has this been corrected? how to correct it?

  • @fernandaarevalo4787
    @fernandaarevalo4787 Рік тому

    Hi, very helpful video! Can I also pls get the document:)

  • @bhawnapathak6701
    @bhawnapathak6701 Рік тому

    Why am I getting the same values for land surface emissivity as shown in the video?

  • @najibarashid6475
    @najibarashid6475 3 роки тому +1

    Hi informative video. Can you give me reference journal?

    • @shashidharan6492
      @shashidharan6492 3 роки тому

      if got please send it to me also i have mentioned my mail below

  • @greeshmasaju8495
    @greeshmasaju8495 3 роки тому

    can you help on how to analyse LST and NDVI

  • @justinekarenlanohan5798
    @justinekarenlanohan5798 Рік тому

    Hi can i have the copy of the document this will be a great help for my research study. Thank you.

  • @eduardograjaleshernandez4081
    @eduardograjaleshernandez4081 3 роки тому

    Hi, could do You do the same in QGIS?

  • @RazorCrest71
    @RazorCrest71 Рік тому

    that's why he's the goat. THE GOATTTTTTT

  • @aprizalverdyansyah3873
    @aprizalverdyansyah3873 8 місяців тому

    how do you get 0.29 in TOA spectral radiance?

  • @dvalkanis
    @dvalkanis 3 роки тому

    I apriciate alot this informative tutorial...
    could you please send me the documents? thanks alot..

  • @sakhaplays6910
    @sakhaplays6910 4 дні тому

    Thank you

  • @angheloolivaressolis8043
    @angheloolivaressolis8043 Рік тому

    Is the same for landsat c2 l2 SR ?

  • @rakgeospatialsolutions1983
    @rakgeospatialsolutions1983 3 роки тому

    Please I have followed the procedure but after calculating for LST the data wasn’t showing again on the data view

  • @darshankumarjajoria634
    @darshankumarjajoria634 Рік тому

    I am calculating the Jaipurs LST , I get 99 - 75 values of temperature is it correct ??

    • @casualguy2991
      @casualguy2991 Рік тому

      I got the same problem for central germany. Would be nice if someone who soöved this problem can share their experience.

    • @PoojaSharma-hs1dz
      @PoojaSharma-hs1dz 2 місяці тому

      Hello Sir, Have you got the solution? I am also facing the same problem.

    • @PoojaSharma-hs1dz
      @PoojaSharma-hs1dz 2 місяці тому

      @@casualguy2991 Hello Sir, Have you got the solution? I am also facing the same problem.

  • @rizkyauliasafitri4722
    @rizkyauliasafitri4722 2 роки тому +1

    Sir i always got 60°C for my dataset i think that is impossible for the temperature, actually i use landsat 8 colle ction 2 can you help me?

    • @khimsopheak9423
      @khimsopheak9423 2 роки тому

      Yes me too

    • @khimsopheak9423
      @khimsopheak9423 2 роки тому +2

      I have the resolution
      It works properly in collection 2 level1

    • @rizkyauliasafitri4722
      @rizkyauliasafitri4722 Рік тому

      @@khimsopheak9423 thank you :)

    • @PoojaSharma-hs1dz
      @PoojaSharma-hs1dz 2 місяці тому

      @@khimsopheak9423 Thank You Sir, Is it ok to use Level 1 Data for LST and Level 2 data to show the association of LULC with LST in the same paper? As Level 2 data is considered as good for LULC classification.

  • @adefebrian4045
    @adefebrian4045 2 роки тому

    for band 4 and band 5 how is the correction?

  • @eduardorojas2121
    @eduardorojas2121 Рік тому +3

    Hi, im having problem with the temperature range in lansat 8 y 9, the range is too hig, like 80°C and 40°c for the minimum, how can i fix it??? im following tutorial to 100%.

    • @aqeelshah55
      @aqeelshah55 Рік тому

      Me either, i think your data is already in Celcius, so u can skip the BT step!

    • @user-re8op9ol417
      @user-re8op9ol417 11 місяців тому +2

      I encoutered the same problem, but I tried with collection 2 level 1 data and it works

    • @mazengamal7077
      @mazengamal7077 8 місяців тому

      The law in the PV stage says that we subtract the values, but he adds them

    • @feather_flock
      @feather_flock 17 днів тому

      Hii. Did you find the result? Mine is the same.

    • @poojabarad8005
      @poojabarad8005 17 днів тому

      ​@@aqeelshah55 if we skip bt step then what value we take fot bt in step no. 6 ? LST calculation formula ?

  • @sahanasjalageri1092
    @sahanasjalageri1092 11 місяців тому

    Which algorithm is used for dis

  • @_omortee_3257
    @_omortee_3257 2 роки тому

    I need too. Thank you

  • @IrshadAhmedIrshadAhmed-r7j
    @IrshadAhmedIrshadAhmed-r7j 10 місяців тому +1

    where to find these lab document?

    • @CricShorts.12345
      @CricShorts.12345 10 місяців тому

      www.ijariit.com/manuscripts/v4i2/V4I2-1195.pdf

    • @mazengamal7077
      @mazengamal7077 8 місяців тому

      @@CricShorts.12345 The law in the PV stage says that we subtract the values, but he adds them

  • @hamzanoor2558
    @hamzanoor2558 2 роки тому

    plz make a video of lst prediction

  • @joshisaiprakashchowdarymot4269
    @joshisaiprakashchowdarymot4269 3 роки тому

    Sir how to predect the future LST with present LST data @GIS & RS Solution

  • @ShabrinaHasnaHayati
    @ShabrinaHasnaHayati 8 місяців тому

    can we using NDBI instead of NDVI? whats the difference?

    • @ariaizaz4240
      @ariaizaz4240 8 місяців тому

      from what I learned ndvi has a focus on vegetation while ndbi focus on built-up land cover. NDVI stands for Normalized Difference Vegetation Index and NDBI stands for Normalized Difference Built-up Index.

    • @mazengamal7077
      @mazengamal7077 8 місяців тому

      The law in the PV stage says that we subtract the values, but he adds them?

  • @glimpses3584
    @glimpses3584 4 місяці тому

    0.004 * Pv + 0.986- here why do we use these values what is the reason and bases and how we get these values...please someone explain

  • @sanjananakod54
    @sanjananakod54 11 місяців тому

    How to verify that the done process is correct or not?

  • @tatum-3962
    @tatum-3962 2 місяці тому

    Can I have the document? Nice video!

  • @kukilunbaite6654
    @kukilunbaite6654 2 місяці тому

    excellent video. can i get the document

  • @markleonil2084
    @markleonil2084 8 місяців тому

    is there an alternative solution if my license doesn't have raster calculator?

    • @mazengamal7077
      @mazengamal7077 8 місяців тому

      I have a strong crack version, whether it is the regular Arc or Arc Pro

    • @markleonil2084
      @markleonil2084 8 місяців тому

      @@mazengamal7077 can i have them please?