Squish they’re adding a low fidelity version of the F-5E into DCS soon, maybe you should try out DCS Cold War once it’s out. It will basically be like a WT plane ported in DCS. You should come compare to WT SIM
The shit that doesnt have EM diagrams should be added under a conservative approach. I'm afraid of what the Rafale and Eurofighter are going to be like.
Sloiler alert: look at the Gripen’s FM in the game. That’s the perfect example how bullshit FM’s of those planes will be. And without EM STR diagrams you won’t be able to make a report even if they will turn 40deg/s at 300kph sustained😂
We may not have great flight models, but our avionics are... way more detailed than you would expect considering we've got arcade UI presentation (please gaijin let me move the HUD elements to the bottom center of the screen)
Flogger doesn’t over perform in terms of aerodynamics it just benefits from the user being allowed to ignore the manual, which assumes that you’re gonna dogfight at 45 degree sweep at all times
The game is catered to mouse aim players. The flight models are adjusted in a way so any new premium jet player won't crash every match. Goyjin will not do anything for sim players. You don't buy enough premiums to matter.
As a DCS person I can confirm that the F-5E and many of the 3rd Gen fighters do over perform. Which again WT was never setup for Sim from the beginning it was a Arcade style game to compete against Wargaming World of Warplanes and it succeeded there. But WT is not DCS and nor should people compare it too DCS. DCS from the Beginning is a Flight sim, but it took many years for it to get where it is today. But in DCS you can do things that you can't do in WT cause WT flight models are very exaggerated to the point that it's two different airframes just with a coat of paint and a skeleton to make it look like a say Mig-21 or F-5. Like for the F-5E there are some small things that make it a nice airframe to fly and in WT they are not there. For the Tiger II has a Dog Fight mode where the radar will lock onto anything within the nose search 100m-700m, I have not flown the F-5 in a while so can't remember, out front and make it so you can pull a lead on a enemy and get both revolver cannons on target during a dog fight. The F-14 and F-15 is where WT takes the biggest exaggeration to their flight model imo.
War Thunder actually pre-dates World Of Warplanes by quite a bit and it's a descendent of one of the original Il-2 Sturmovik games. I played War Thunder's predecessor; Il-2 Birds Of Prey when it was an Xbox 360 title and before mouse aim was even a thing. Much to the chagrin of DCS players...I will call War Thunder Sim a flight sim because that is what it is. There are some things as far as modeling goes that War Thunder does a lot more accurately than DCS at this point.
@@squishface80085 WT still is an arcade where as DCS is very much a Flight sim. Yes there are a few things that WT get right over DCS but from the ground up DCS far exceeds WT is the Sim category. DCS Flight models are based on data from manufactures and data you can find cause it's declassified cause the airframe has not been in use for X years or is no longer of import to X country. Reason why I place DCS over WT is cause ED and other groups that work with them under cut performance to see where models is ether memory leaking or crashing. Then they give it's full functions and limitations. WT exaggerate flight models cause they know there fan base are a bunch of people that don't look at sheets to see if X matches Y. If WT wanted to be in the sim area they would start cutting a lot of the fat and add in more sim functions that are missing, that DCS has.
@@squishface80085 Both WT and WoWP came out in the same year of 2013 both games had alpha's and Beta's in the same time frame. So in Retrospect they where in direct competition with each other
@@tristainlongshot7524 Have you looked at the EM diagram for the F-16C in DCS vs the one that is from real life? DCS has just as wild discrepancies with it's flight models as WarThunder does and the accuracy of the flight model is purely up to who developed the module. The real life F-16C EM diagram at sea level shows a maximum instantaneous turn rate of 26.2 degrees per second and a sustained turn rate of around 22-23 degrees per second. The real life EM diagram also shows a Ps value of around - 500ft/sec during its 26.2 degree initial turn. The DCS specific EM diagram shows a maximum instantaneous turn rate of 22.3 degrees per second and a sustained turn rate of 18.8 degrees per second. In DCS that 22.3 degrees per second ITR will result in a Ps value of around -600ft/sec. Basically...if both EM diagrams are correct....it means that the F-16C in DCS is significantly different than it's real life counterpart. By comparison...the F-16C is capable of rating at just above 20-21 degrees per second with over 50% fuel. The WarThunder flight model appears to be much more accurate when it's flown within the actual flight envelope in comparison to the DCS F-16.
@@tristainlongshot7524 Il-2 Sturmovik : Birds of Prey came out in 2009. War Thunder in it's alpha test was basically a free to play port of it. The flight models were the same. The controls were the same. The game modes were also the same.
The flight models overperforming a bit is a good thing as far as im concerned. It means you can actually dodge ir and radar missiles much easier and allows for more fun gameplay
I'm fine with it until I am not. Some people want full fidelity flight model...which I think is fine. But you can't have full fidelity F-5 fighting an arcade flight model MiG-23.
Drink every time squish says “Spoiler Alert”
Spoiler: I am not responsible for your alcohol poisoning.
Gaijin said its because the info they have on the F5 is so shitty they tought it would be unplayable so they buffed with Narnia info....
Squish they’re adding a low fidelity version of the F-5E into DCS soon, maybe you should try out DCS Cold War once it’s out. It will basically be like a WT plane ported in DCS. You should come compare to WT SIM
This is such a great idea. Thank you for the suggestion and welcome to the channel!
The shit that doesnt have EM diagrams should be added under a conservative approach. I'm afraid of what the Rafale and Eurofighter are going to be like.
Sloiler alert: look at the Gripen’s FM in the game. That’s the perfect example how bullshit FM’s of those planes will be. And without EM STR diagrams you won’t be able to make a report even if they will turn 40deg/s at 300kph sustained😂
I just find it annoying when some aircraft overperform and some underperform at the same BR (R-27ER v AIM-7M, JAS-39 and F-16 v Su-27 and MiG-29)
As of writing this comment, gaijin have actually nerfed the MiG-23 Series. What are you thoughts on these changes now after this video
We may not have great flight models, but our avionics are... way more detailed than you would expect considering we've got arcade UI presentation (please gaijin let me move the HUD elements to the bottom center of the screen)
Flogger doesn’t over perform in terms of aerodynamics it just benefits from the user being allowed to ignore the manual, which assumes that you’re gonna dogfight at 45 degree sweep at all times
The diagram posted is from the manual and it shows it's turn rate at 16 degrees wing sweep afaik.
The game is catered to mouse aim players. The flight models are adjusted in a way so any new premium jet player won't crash every match. Goyjin will not do anything for sim players. You don't buy enough premiums to matter.
As a DCS person I can confirm that the F-5E and many of the 3rd Gen fighters do over perform. Which again WT was never setup for Sim from the beginning it was a Arcade style game to compete against Wargaming World of Warplanes and it succeeded there. But WT is not DCS and nor should people compare it too DCS. DCS from the Beginning is a Flight sim, but it took many years for it to get where it is today. But in DCS you can do things that you can't do in WT cause WT flight models are very exaggerated to the point that it's two different airframes just with a coat of paint and a skeleton to make it look like a say Mig-21 or F-5. Like for the F-5E there are some small things that make it a nice airframe to fly and in WT they are not there. For the Tiger II has a Dog Fight mode where the radar will lock onto anything within the nose search 100m-700m, I have not flown the F-5 in a while so can't remember, out front and make it so you can pull a lead on a enemy and get both revolver cannons on target during a dog fight. The F-14 and F-15 is where WT takes the biggest exaggeration to their flight model imo.
War Thunder actually pre-dates World Of Warplanes by quite a bit and it's a descendent of one of the original Il-2 Sturmovik games. I played War Thunder's predecessor; Il-2 Birds Of Prey when it was an Xbox 360 title and before mouse aim was even a thing.
Much to the chagrin of DCS players...I will call War Thunder Sim a flight sim because that is what it is. There are some things as far as modeling goes that War Thunder does a lot more accurately than DCS at this point.
@@squishface80085 WT still is an arcade where as DCS is very much a Flight sim. Yes there are a few things that WT get right over DCS but from the ground up DCS far exceeds WT is the Sim category. DCS Flight models are based on data from manufactures and data you can find cause it's declassified cause the airframe has not been in use for X years or is no longer of import to X country. Reason why I place DCS over WT is cause ED and other groups that work with them under cut performance to see where models is ether memory leaking or crashing. Then they give it's full functions and limitations. WT exaggerate flight models cause they know there fan base are a bunch of people that don't look at sheets to see if X matches Y. If WT wanted to be in the sim area they would start cutting a lot of the fat and add in more sim functions that are missing, that DCS has.
@@squishface80085 Both WT and WoWP came out in the same year of 2013 both games had alpha's and Beta's in the same time frame. So in Retrospect they where in direct competition with each other
@@tristainlongshot7524
Have you looked at the EM diagram for the F-16C in DCS vs the one that is from real life?
DCS has just as wild discrepancies with it's flight models as WarThunder does and the accuracy of the flight model is purely up to who developed the module.
The real life F-16C EM diagram at sea level shows a maximum instantaneous turn rate of 26.2 degrees per second and a sustained turn rate of around 22-23 degrees per second. The real life EM diagram also shows a Ps value of around - 500ft/sec during its 26.2 degree initial turn.
The DCS specific EM diagram shows a maximum instantaneous turn rate of 22.3 degrees per second and a sustained turn rate of 18.8 degrees per second. In DCS that 22.3 degrees per second ITR will result in a Ps value of around -600ft/sec.
Basically...if both EM diagrams are correct....it means that the F-16C in DCS is significantly different than it's real life counterpart.
By comparison...the F-16C is capable of rating at just above 20-21 degrees per second with over 50% fuel. The WarThunder flight model appears to be much more accurate when it's flown within the actual flight envelope in comparison to the DCS F-16.
@@tristainlongshot7524
Il-2 Sturmovik : Birds of Prey came out in 2009. War Thunder in it's alpha test was basically a free to play port of it. The flight models were the same. The controls were the same. The game modes were also the same.
HolUp... FabulousFemboy banned? :O RIP in peace.
Spoiler alert: need to do an f4e video
The flight models overperforming a bit is a good thing as far as im concerned. It means you can actually dodge ir and radar missiles much easier and allows for more fun gameplay
I'm fine with it until I am not.
Some people want full fidelity flight model...which I think is fine. But you can't have full fidelity F-5 fighting an arcade flight model MiG-23.
f20 underperforming
no cap.
f5 hard pull energy retention is bullshit tho.
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