I read a bit of it and am leery of some of it. The data is admittedly incomplete and sometimes had to be projected and inferences or hypothesis made. All that set aside, should women pay a price in industry because they bare children? For example, is it fair for a company to pay a woman less claiming her medical benefits cost the company more? Aren't the fathers of children equally financially culpable as they impregnated a woman whose health insurance costs will likely cost the company she works for (provided they provide healthcare) more? I am always suspicious of arguments from companies that use the potential of motherhood as an excuse to pay women less or worse, to not hire them at all.
then do you propose we compensate for women just because they can bare children? They can't pay someone less, as if they did the work place would be filled with only women ( cue the statistics about asian countries who are site to almost all clothing retailers bc of that minimal salary they get) Essentially I think the gouvernement fucks us all wether we are men, women, black, white, asian, hispanic, gay, straight, bi, trans! IT's a global domination they seek. It might sound very sceptic but greed doesn't discriminate!
I guess what I was proposing was that a man and a woman working the exact same job at the same level with the same experience and same performance should get paid the same. That a woman "may" bare a child should not allow the company to lower her pay arguing that the cost of her health is more expensive. 1) That woman may not bare a child. 2) If she did, her partner was part of that equation. It is the latter point I contemplated in a broad way. Especially as the article is treating the topic broadly. It takes both genders to produce offspring and hence both genders should bare the financial burden and the care/upbringing of children within our society. It reminds me of a male colleague's argument that he should not have to pay for educating other people's children and wished to not have to pay property taxes that went toward education. Later he had children and now reaps the benefit of everyone pitching in for the benefit of everyone's children. There are some things like this that seem more communal to me and the benefits society reaps from well educated children are huge. As well the benefits society reaps from healthcare provided for a woman throughout her pregnancy and during her birth are huge. And I feel both men and women should get time off work etc... I think it is true that if wages are extremely low that less educated, less trained people will likely get those jobs. In the case of clothing, those jobs did get filled more with women. However why this is the case is still something we'd need more data to understand in my opinion. But the lower wage is likely one factor. Governments are definitely problematic. Unfortunately those who gravitate toward the top are often power hungry and after money and control. Signs when a government becomes less representative and more autocratic are when they try to shut up the press, try to demolish checks and balances like overseeing committees checking ethics etc and generating blatant lies to stir the public up in a fog of false understanding. Good example is to shut out scientific analysis completely in order to steamroll ahead and use every tiny scrap of land for someone's profit at the expensive of the environment and the people living directly within the vicinity. I'm sure at some point some people would maybe argue 2+2 does not equal 4, but some other number of their own invention. Until it matters directly to their bottom line. And it is the money trail we should all carefully follow.
This is what feminism is. Seeking the facts and giving attention to the real issues that exist. Not hearing something on tumblr and reposting it as man-hate.
Suraya293 do you even know what the fuck your saying or are you utterly failing at some deep insightful comment that landed 100 yards away from any point you were sadly trying to make...
Maric Yep. He's good at stirring the shit-pot and making arguments, but his conclusions can be off-the-wall and he too often forgets he was being facetious.
I came into this video thinking that you would go off saying how horrible the wage gap was. But to my surprise you told the actual facts. I am truly happy I came across this video. And I look forward to watching more of your videos... thank you
This is a women I respect highly. I have hated feminism, mainly the man crushing version. What is so great about her is that she knows the facts and she has some amazing viewpoints. I don't like many feminists because of there harsh view points. But this women right here has the right ideas. I look up to few people as leader, she is one of them.
***** she didn't make any fucking interesting veiw points at all... she listed vague as fuck "variables" and assumed that was enough for a quality rebutal... does this bitch not know the first thing about debating... she had the disagreeing part down but forgot all about and supporting statistics or senarios for these supposed "variables" that apparently women aren't accounting for... apparently those variable consist of showing leg and blowing your boss... because the only other thing is that you people are claiming women are downright lazy... try giving fucking birth and then go back and try that shit... women arent trying hard enough... what is that shit?
Kevin Niles why are you so mad brah? you're letting you're rage cloud what she is actually saying. she never said women are lazy and no one ever said childbirth isn't difficult... so idk why you even brought this up... her argument is pretty straight-forward and simple. feminists are using misleading information to skew statistics in their favor by comparing jobs/incomes with jobs that do not belong in comparable categories, such as placing office jobs in a comparable category as manual labor positions. it's like comparing apples and oranges. when it comes down to it, if a man and a woman with the same work experience are working the exact same job (apples to apples), women and men are paid the same. get off you're high horse, feminist agenda. facts are facts... learn it, love it, live it
TheJournalisticBrony women like her r people who can help to bring equality into our society in a calm factual n unbiased manner n it’s shit that in my opinion that feminists r labelled as man hating gender equalises sjw who just bitch on Twitter for some likes n tweets make a huge song n dance n that just splits people one hand u have those like them who’ll support them n those who can’t stand it n then start to hate that group for being as sexist as they proclaim the other side is n it’s shit cos they’re a good percentage of women n men Probably who are unbiased n respect each gender for what they r don’t make a huge huge huge problem about it n say oh yh if u don’t listen ur a sexist piece of shit n it’s horrible cos if more feminist were like the women in this video a feminist who is respectful honest intelligent n calm n polite about then equality can be a thing very soon in fact cos ur hooking both sides of the argument more than people who bitch n moan on Twitter about everyone hating women when that is far from true I respect women n I do wish to see my peers be honoured for me like how I honour this woman for her take on equality I wish more feminists in particular look to her as a sort of idol n learn what makes her arguments work to engage an audience to side with her beliefs then who knows maybe people will take you more seriously
Schwarzer Ritter *If companies really could get away with paying women less, why would they hire men? It seems like they could save a lot of money.* Hey stop with that logic-talk. It's so "male-centric", it should be a hate crime.
+Schwarzer Ritter a lot of things need to be asked first. what are the jobs in demand? what gender group undergo training or education for such jobs? do the jobs require being away from home? what gender group is more willing to do just that?
This woman makes me cry. She's actually doing real feminism, equality of both genders(I think humanism is a better term) and then feminist frequency and Tumblr "femenists" just make femenism a game of hating males and making crime and marketing issues gender issues.
Poor Sommers. This is like the 5th video she's done on the wage gap, debunking it AGAIN. I can almost see the annoyance in her face. :( It must be so frustrating.
+Adonis Batheus "Frustrating"? She's been at it for decades. She saw an entire generation get born and grow up to believe in things like the Wage Gap. All that time there was no end in sight, no reinforcements to come, barely an ally to speak of, little hope for change. It has only been very recently that some people have grow weary and started speaking out against the lies and the propaganda. *Imagine how grim and depressing it must have been all the years before that to see the world around you succumb to insanity, and to be powerless to stop it.*
The gender wage gap came into focus this week, but not in the way the White House wanted. A reporter asked about AEI's study showing that Obama administration female staffers make only 88% of their male counterparts' salaries. Christina Hoff Sommers examines spokesman Jay Carney's response in this premiere episode of her video blog, "Factual Feminist."
I've got one question that nobody has been able to answer. Why is it, if this "wage gap" exists... do businesses just not employ women rather than men? Think about that.... if companies can save even a penny on labor.... take a look at longer term savings. Remember that trick question... would you take a $100,000 or a penny a day, double for 30 days? Their return would be insane in the long run.
Revalationsinfinity Actually the feminists do have an "answer" to this...they claim that it is the boys club or something similar..they claim that men would still not hire women even though they could pay them less. Let me tell you if you ever trying to argue with a feminist, you already know that at some point, they would say something like this to justify everything. NO ACCOUNTABILITY! Oh yea all men just get together and decide not to pay women more... you can explain to the feminists in step by step easy to follow ways but it is their sexist man hating mindset that is the root of it.
luckybozo lucky That's just my point... CLAIMS... any fact they bring to the table, they cite false references or can't provide any. Lies, deceit, manipulation, all tactics of feminists to achieve complete chaos.
luckybozo lucky You don't argue with a feminist or someone with such illogical viewpoints to change their mind. Their mind is already set. You argue with them so other people can see how they aren't basing their argument on facts, just feel good emotions.
Wow....a feminist that uses her brain and does research. Color me impressed, I salute you and award you +20 internet points. Dont spend them all in one place
It's probably too late since this video was posted months ago, but here are my thoughts: I really enjoy listening to your videos; I find them to be insightful and they give a nice counter to the traditional twitter/tumblr feminism I see most of the time. I understand that these videos must already require a great deal of work, but it would be good to see some videos that dive even more extensively on various gender issues (for example, you mentioned that multiple factors contribute to the alleged gender pay gap, and I wouldn't mind seeing a 10-or-so minute video where you expound upon these points). Even more so, most of your videos act as fact checks for faulty or misleading figures purported by the media, which I find very useful and important in our sensationalized society. However, I would also love to hear some of your takes on issues that you feel women (and men) legitimately face today. In particular, I find that a huge amount of attention is spent on the suffering of women, but comparatively very little on the expectations and education of boys and men, who are generally seen as the offenders of these issues. I'd love your take on this if possible. Thanks!
There is another video done by her (and others, I'm pretty sure) that has about 2 million views as of now, and it is closely related to this video. It's "The Myth of the Gender Wage Gap", uploaded by PragerU. You should check it out (if you haven't already, of course)!
You are awesome and it's very refreshing to hear from a "Factual Feminist." As a numbers geek it drivers me crazy when people abuse statistics and ignore hard facts.
I love all of your videos! As a Canadian Woman I agree with you on all your very important issues and topics.Keep them coming!! Your words are music to my ears :)
Once you control for work experience, education, etc, the gap is about 98% instead of 77%. And even that is easily accounted for by women's choices. From what I understand women tend to prefer benefits, more time off, and working fewer, or less in demand hours (eg. less likely to work the night shift, or work overtime). And it makes so much sense. Because if as a business man, you could hire a women and pay her 77% of what you pay a man for the exact same work, why would you ever hire a man?
I never thought I would subscribe to a feminist channel, not because I don't believe in women's rights, but because of how militant and isolating "feminists" can be. THANK YOU for your work.
The study Christina references at 0:57 can be found and read at the following link: www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20Report.pdf thumbs up this post so that others will be able to see it easily. (not sure why she didn't just post a link to it in the description box)
We need more people like her in this world. Nowadays everyone sees something on the internet and get all upset about these "facts" and none of them do their research to see if the statistics back them up. Thank you Factual Feminist for the useful knowledge and trying to help educate America
I find the real problem is that no one wants to discuss it, i have had people tell me to be quiet, or I'm stupid, even though their only argument is "no, your wrong" women choices= no, you're wrong work ethics= no, you're wrong overtime worked= no, you're wrong bogus survey Technics= no, you're wrong hard to have a discussion with this sort of argument
The "gender wage gap" is a very big part of feminist rhetoric. My question to you is this: How do other feminists respond to your rebuttal of the gender wage gap? Are you respected? Ignored? Hated? Loved? I would really like to know.
From what I have experienced on the professional networking site Linkedin, feminist were deeply disappointed with the fact that the originally commonly reported wage gap statistic is WAY off and the real difference is closer to 4%. They rejected what was, essentially, good news. Baffling. However, this was more distressing. When asked to consider another gender-based workplace statistic-95% of workplace deaths are suffered by men-they thought the (imaginary) wage gap issue was more critical.
They move the goal posts. Feminists start with the smallest number (the largest gap) they can get away with. Criticise it and watch the gap get smaller and smaller
Ken Francis Dangerous jobs generally pay more. Feminists complain about being paid less but are unwilling to do the risky work that pays more. They want nice, safe, easy jobs in clean, air-conditioned buildings, but they also want the money that comes from doing hazardous and difficult work in extreme conditions.
The media does this all the time, making up facts, overexaggerating facts, making them into hypes... The problem is that anything about discrimination is more sensitive and gets taken more seriously and so people believe these stats without checking them or even thinking about them.
I found this channel 2 days ago and i have all ready watched all factual feminist blogs. Before this i considered myself anti feminist but you have restored my faith for actual feminism. Now i will consider myself only a anti radical feminist. Thank you for your work!
3:42 It _almost_ sounds as if she's advocating for women to be treated like rational! competent adults instead of victims and emotional children. No wonder Feminists can't get a grip on this topic.
1. Women are usually less aggressive than men, men will push for a raise where women usually don’t 2. Men and women don’t usually do equal paid work 3. There are many variables like the seniority of people who work there 4. Why not hire more women if you can get away paying them less than a man 5. And this is the most important one, “male strippers are paid less than female ones”
Bless her heart (not in the southerner's mean sense) for standing up for truth. However, before getting all too carried away by Christina Hoff Summers, she continues to promote some kind of feminism, only a softer, gentler, more informed feminism, perhaps, but here around 3:22 she still says "Now it is not my claim that women no longer face discrimination in the United States ..." -- but that is just again the rhetoric of women's rights activists who manufacture "discrimination" issues by ignoring the other side. Everything about the myth of oppressed women is manufactured by deception with half-truths.
Women's rights issues have always been manufactured by subtracting women's benefits and responsibility for the status quo. This isn't about bartering little disconnected grievances, but to overcome the female vicimology principle which is a fraud created by cherry picking whatever allows to wager the biggest grab to power and dominance.
***** Women's rights issues? Such as the right to vote? or the right to own property? I'm not sure that you have articulated your position very clearly.
Why should women get the right to vote for free when men had to die drafted into the war and still today have no right to vote that is not directly linked to the draft?
Thumbs up to this channel. For some time I've seen this "Atheist vs Feminist" thingy, but never gotten anything but shouting and name-calling. I had no idea what people were actually arguing about. This channel makes it clear, and voids the confusion. Thanks!
Christina, we are told that women are the majority victims of domestic assault . However, a study published by the Journal of family violence found that women are more likely to be violent to children, elders, and non-violent males. What is the truth?
Always enjoy listening to Ms. Sumners, finally a feminist with a sense of equity, common sense, who deals in facts, not sexist, feminist hyperbole. Good commentary.
Company A (a large company) hires six men and four women, all with equal qualifications, and pays them each $65,000 a year. Company B (a medium company) hires five men and five women, all with the same exact qualifications of those newbies at Company A, and pays them $55,000 a year. Company C (a small company) hires six women and four men, all with the same exact qualifications as the newbies at Company A, but only pays them $45,000. Men: [(6 * $65K) + (5 * $55K) + (4 * $45K)] / 15 = $56,333 average salary Women: [(4 * $65K) + (5 * $55K) + (6 * $45K)] / 15 = $53,667 average salary Difference: (56,333 - 53,667) / 56,333 = 0.0473 There exists a 4.7% gender pay gap, yet no woman is paid less than the men with the same qualifications working in the same company. [The math works in reverse too--give Company A 6 women/4 men and Company C 4 women/6 men--and the men will collectively be paid less than the women.] Numbers can be skewed simply by altering which companies are chosen to compare.
More like there are a few random cases of a boss/company short-changing female workers. But they don't last very long and are an individual thing and not a systemic issues.
Duke00x I think looking for yet another law, when there are perfectly good laws prohibiting discrimination in the workplace already, just creates another cultural Marxist special protected class that couldn't be further from real equality. Believing that we are always just one more law away from a perfect society, is just a statist calamity that doesn't work. Ultimately, feminists need to realize that not working pays less than working, and collecting trash in foul weather pays more than sitting at a comfy desk surfing Facebook or Pinterest. Thankfully, that's still the way the world works. But their trick is to alway focus on the very top earners and whine about not having what that tiny minority (which the vast majority of men are not a part of either) that seems to have it all, has.
I've read most comments and watched the video, however, nobody ever mentioned the fact that race also plays a huge part in this discussion. Race, a topic that many are afraid to bring into conversation. The truth is, this isn't just about men and women, it's also about the ethnicity of women. The "statistics" of women here are being generalized, because yes, there is indeed a difference between how much white women, black women, hispanic women, etc. get payed and/or are prone to discrimination. I've noticed that in all of these videos, things are only seen and explained through the perception of caucasian women. The world of a woman of color is very disparate to that of a caucasian woman. This is leaving out a lot.
No matter what race or gender you are, you are ALWAYS going to get payed EXACTLY the same amount for the job. Now, having said that, the difficulties that people with a different skin colour have in getting the job is another issue completely. But if you get the job, the pay is the same.
I remembered that a while back some Feminists were invited to Congress to Discuss the Suggested "Wage Gap". and the most common answer they gave to 90% of the information that was RELEVANT to the understanding of IF there is a pay gap was "WE DO NOT COLLECT THAT INFORMATION." Huh wonder why you would Refuse to accept information that would give you a Concise showing of IF there were a actual pay gap. but they did state that the Gap was determined not by ONLY FULL TIME EMPLOYEES like they claim but also part time. They admitted in congress that there was only about 1/3 the number of women Full time employees by choice as the men, so they treated PART TIME EMPLOYEES as the same as Full time employees. So they admitted to padding the numbers to BOOST their facts thus making them lies. Yes a part time Female employee is to be paid AS MUCH as a Full time woman so she can be counted when discussing the pay gap, rather then decreasing the number of MEN to make the number equal, because that TO would destroy their "FACTS"
"differences in the types of positions held by men and women, differences in the pay of jobs men typically go into as opposed to women, and differences in amount of work experience, and breaks in employment" Gender pay gap on Wikipedia
She's probably using it to deliberately weasel out of having to mention any particularly contentious examples. But if I were going to explain it, I would say that it largely boils down to women making different life choices than men do, and that women are different from men due to innate, biological sexual dimorphism. On average, men focus more on their careers. They are less likely to divert their attention from their career towards their family. They are less likely to request time off for childcare. As a matter of statistical observation, married men are more highly motivated than unmarried men, but married women are less highly motivated than unmarried women. There's also the fact that male distributions of talent seem to be wider than female ones. Men have more geniuses and more idiots, whereas women tend to cluster more in the middle. There's also some cognitive functions which seem better developed for one sex than the other, such as men generally being better with visual-spatial reasoning. The differences that we know of as yet don't seem particularly relevant to the problem at hand, but it is nevertheless worth noting that men and women have different average profiles of talent, and that we do not yet understand the full extent of the differences, because we still have much to learn about the functioning of the human brain. And of course, an observed social or cultural disparity doesn't preclude the existence of an underlying biological cause, and an observed cognitive disparity doesn't preclude either a biological or a cultural cause. Stereotypes don't have to be either completely true or completely false, but can also be either over- or underestimations of actual differences in average characteristics - and such mistaken estimations, in turn, would be at least as likely to reflect honest human failure of rationality as antipathy or conscious exploitation. There's yet more that can be said about the conceptual relationships between map and territory and how both models could each be contextually appropriate for different situations, but I think I'll stop there. Needless to say, I feel I cannot in good conscience claim to know what's causing the gender gap, and I'm skeptical of anyone who proposes a simple, unambiguous explanation for it. That's why I'm opposed to political action at this point. Regulatory methods are heavy-handed at the best of times. And at this point, we don't even understand the problem we're trying to correct. It's not even clear to me that we should be thinking of it as a "problem." What I would like to see are small-to-medium-scale experimental trials and studies of possible causes and partial causes, not sweeping legislation.
OptimalOwl She actually isn't, she was speaking metaphorically about the left out stats. You have type of job, location, hours worked, time spent for vacation. What about the time a woman must take off for maternity leave for example? The numbers are thrown out without analyzing every angle and were suppose to just go along w/ it?
Thanks for this video. I am all up for equality and find it unacceptable that a woman would get paid less than a man simply for her gender. But indeed, that pay difference seems to be due to factors a lot of people want to ignore that have nothing to do with a male boss saying: "this worker of mine is a woman so I am going to pay her less".
"Why play this game?" They play this game because they have their conclusion, and they need to make the data fit it. It's blatant academic dishonesty and manipulation of data to fit their model instead of making a model that fits the data. It's difficult to push the narrative that women are oppressed victims when the data shows that in the same circumstances, men and women are treated more or less equally. I find this particularly disturbing because western society is without a doubt the most open to women and egalitarian that has ever existed in history, and many gender activists seem to want the pendulum to swing in favor of women, rather than find a happy medium where everyone has equal rights. Just my thoughts on the issue...
Damn, Christina! You just say it like it is! I can't stand this shallow politically corrected nonsense. I'm glad there are people like you that can so effortlessly sift through the nonsense of feminist "statistics" for the rest of us who simply don't have the time or capacity.
When they present their statistics on Domestic Violence why do they leave out the statistics on the abuse of children? Are children not part of a domestic environment?
Why should women be taught to negotiate while men aren't? you're basically saying that women need help in order to be at the level of men. Feminism means equal rights, opportunity, and treatment for both genders. But that's not following the equal treatment part.
(A month late to the party) Probably because they need the help. Men in general aggressively seek higher wages when it comes to negotiating a position. Pretty much the same way that when it comes to buying things like Cars, Men will typically negotiate for a lower price and attempt to chew the salesmen down.
Dear Based Mom, I am a straight, white, male, Christian. You are the first feminist I've ever heard make any sense whatsoever. I'm sure there is a lot we disagree on but I'd still hug you if I had the chance. Thank you. From the bottom of my heart, thank you.
I am a single mother of 4 children and have a degree in machining... I am good at what I do, and for the short story will explain that in previous positions, with my blueprints and part fabrication, I saved one company over 385,000 in ONE 6 month period. My machining instructor told me, that with my knowledge I should indeed be worth at LEAST 21.00/hr after I got out of school... at that particular position, I was making 10.00/ hour.. mind you, this was in the oilfield business. I transferred to another position, given a small raise, and then it was specified that I speak of my pay, with NO ONE! I believe, that it was because of the difference in the male pay VS. female pay. In this position, I more than quadrupled production, the person before me created 75 parts per day, with a normal scrap of 8-10 parts... I created 375 parts per day, with an average of 7 parts, out of tolerance. Recently I have been searching for a position, and no one would answer my resume... until I made one small change... instead of using my full name, I used, my first and middle initial, along with my last name....... within 24 hours of submitting a multitude of resumes, in this fashion, I received 4 phone calls. EACH time I responded "speaking" after they asked for the person on the resume... I received stutters and silence, after they composed themselves, they asked a few questions, and then told me they would call me back... It is SO irritating, that a woman who can do a good job in a man's field, get's treated like an outcast.... I STILL need to provide for my children, just as much as a man does.
Allainnia DeLo It is my experience, at least in the trades (carpentry, electric, et cetera) that companies ask all of their employees to keep what they're making to themselves. They do this because if they pay one person $20 they don't necessarily want their other employees who seem to be content with less to know about it. This is a universal practice. Most workers will frown on anyone who starts asking how much other employees get paid. Nothing to do with sex.
+Allainnia DeLo I would add that often times students are told estimates of wages that are unrealistic. This can be for many reasons: The school wants to keep the student in class, the teacher hasn't been in the workforce for awhile and their info is outdated, wages fluctuate based on the area and cost of living in that area. Also, it is illegal to pay less based on gender. If you can prove it you can sue and earn back wages at the very least.
To think that this video was from 2014, when SJW cancel culture wasn't as bad as it is today. I wish to go back to my high school days when things were much simpler.
Holy shit! (excuse my french) An honest feminist that doesn't hate men and want special privileges? *picks jaw up off the floor. Im subscribing..you should call yourself the factual egalitarian but im still impressed
This shows feminism is a money-making scam. If this feminist knows it is all lies then others must be wilfully lying. This woman could easily be saying the wage gap is real and nobody would call her out.
I worked in construction next to a gal who had way less exsperience then me. She was paid twice as much as me. Why? She went through union I did not. And I was required to work harder then she was.
Wow, I found a link to you from reddit, the first feminist that isn't crazy, I'm sure there is more where you came from, why don't we hear from your side more than the other "loud" side of feminist?
+nefaristo you can find sensible feminists, you just have to avoid the Internet and women's studies majors. they are, however, still difficult to find.
Justin Ashman yes, and that becomes a problem in general understanding: "feminist" is supposed to be a (poorly chosen) word for "being for women's rights", but (today and in the first world) another good aproximation of that concept is... "biped" :). The word in itself gives no information, that's why we need so many addictional adjectives. Since feminism has 1)bad etimology in the first place 2)nuts prevalence within the active part of the group, imo the sensible feminists are the ones who should drop the pseudolabel (which would then become a label again, therefore somehow useful)
Good work, Christina. You are one of the few feminists I still have respect for. Here are a couple absolutely bizarre and far-fetched "statistics" for you: -Women do 66% of all the work in the world (Cheryl Sandberg) -1 in 3 women will be the victim of gender based violence in her lifetime (Eve Ensler) I'd like to see how these stand up to scrutiny. Thanks for caring about men and boys too.
I think I saw you give a presentation with Steven Crowder at some university, you did a great job getting your point across even though you were being interrupted. Thank you for what you are doing.
*Please read the entire post before commenting. The conclusion I make by the end of the post is that we should remain agnostic on the existence of a gender pay gap, and anyone that definitively states one way or another is wrong.* *ORIGINAL POST 09/22/14* I don't see the real point you were trying to make for this video; all you were doing was denying the evidence presented, simply dismissing it as "specious". Until I see a valid counter-argument, I'm not going to believe that the gender wage gap doesn't exist. Others were able enough to provide statistics and figures that a wage gap exists, so why can't you provide evidence that one doesn't? *UPDATE 10/02/14* So, I did some research, and it turns out the gender pay gap in the United States does exist. It’s not as high as some people claim (the raw wage gap is at around 20%), but it does still exist at 4.8 - 7.1% when relevant factors are considered. I have posted below sections of a CONSAD study prepared for the U.S. Department of Labor. At the bottom of this post you will also find the PDF of the study so you can read it yourself. *Quoted Sections from CONSAD Report:* The following report prepared by CONSAD Research Corporation presents the results of a detailed statistical analysis of the attributes that contribute to the wage gap and a synopsis of the economic research that has been conducted on the issue. The major findings are: There are observable differences in the attributes of men and women that account for most of the wage gap. Statistical analysis that includes those variables has produced results that collectively account for between 65.1 and 76.4 percent of a raw gender wage gap of 20.4 percent, *and thereby leave an adjusted gender wage gap that is between 4.8 and 7.1 percent.* These variables include: A greater percentage of women than men tend to work part-time. Part-time work tends to pay less than full-timework. A greater percentage of women than men tend to leave the labor force for child birth, child care and elder care. Some of the wage gap is explained by the percentage of women who were not in the labor force during previous years, the age of women, and the number of children in the home. Women, especially working mothers, tend to value “family friendly” workplace policies more than men. Some of the wage gap is explained by industry and occupation, particularly, the percentage of women who work in the industry and occupation. The tables reveal that there are large differences between male workers and female workers in relation to many of the factors. In particular, Table 1 indicates that the average wage rate among males is 24 percent higher than the average wage rate among females. Women tend to work in industries and occupations where most of their coworkers are female; men tend to work in industries and occupations where most of their coworkers are male. Compared to women, a larger percentage of men work overtime, and men who work overtime work more overtime hours. Conversely, a larger percentage of female workers currently work part-time, especially for family-related reasons. A larger percentage of women have pursued education or training after obtaining high school diplomas or general educational development (GED) certificates, but a larger percentage of men have earned professional or doctoral degrees. Finally, a much larger percentage of women have been out of the labor force or have worked part-time during the last one to five years. In this study, an attempt has been made to use data from a large cross-sectional database, the Outgoing Rotation Group files of the 2007 CPS, to construct variables that satisfactorily characterize factors whose effects have previously been estimated only using longitudinal data, so that reliable estimates of those effects can be derived in an analysis of the cross-sectional data. Specifically, variables have been developed to represent career interruption among workers with specific gender, age, and number of children. Statistical analysis that includes those variables has produced results that collectively account for between 65.1 and 76.4 percent of a raw gender wage gap of 20.4 percent, *and thereby leave an adjusted gender wage gap that is between 4.8 and 7.1 percent.*
*Read the PDF here:* www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20Report.pdf *UPDATE 10/18/14* So, it turns out I missed a very important part of the CONSAD report. The conclusion states that it is not possible to know whether a gender wage gap truly exists or not, because a thorough enough analysis on the 4.8 - 7.1 percent estimated gap isn't feasible. *QUOTE from CONSAD Report* In principle, the multiple counting could be eliminated by estimating the various proportions concurrently within a single comprehensive analysis that considers all of the factors simultaneously. Such an analysis is not feasible to conduct with the available databases. Some factors, such as occupation and industry, require data for very large numbers of workers to represent adequately the detailed groupings of employees or employers that existing research indicates best describe the effects of the factors. Other factors, such as work experience and job tenure, require data that describe the behavior of individual workers over extended time periods. The longitudinal data bases that contain such information include too few workers, however, to support adequate analysis of factors like occupation and industry; whereas the cross-sectional data bases that include enough workers to enable analysis of factors like occupation and industry do not collect data on individual workers over long enough periods to support adequate analysis of factors like work experience and job tenure. Further, analysis of compensating wage adjustments generally requires data from several independent and, often, specialized sources. As a result, it is not possible now, and doubtless will never be possible, to determine reliably whether any portion of the observed gender wage gap is not attributable to factors that compensate women and men differently on socially acceptable bases, and hence can confidently be attributed to overt discrimination against women. In addition, at a practical level, the complex combination of factors that collectively determine the wages paid to different individuals makes the formulation of policy that will reliably redress any overt discrimination that does exist a task that is, at least, daunting and, more likely, unachievable. *END QUOTE* In conclusion, it is impossible to say either "the wage gap definitely exists" or "the wage gap definitely does not exist". This particular video simply states that the statistics used by the media and politicians are incorrect, not that the wage gap definitely does not exist. In this sense, the video is right. I only wish that a reference to this study had been made in the video to save everyone time and effort, but in the end we now have the answer.
when working with statistics there are very few cases when you need to take and use a media value as an average for the whole group. one of the reasons to use it would be because it distorts the data to fit a point you are already trying to make. The median is just an awful average to use. imagine 99 men and 99 women and rank them in order, ascending usually but it doesn't matter. the median takes the wage of the 50th man and compares it to the wage of the 50th woman. Tell me, do you think that is going to show anything meaningful?
Graeme Evans Taking the median is actually more accurate than taking the mean when you want to find the average of data. However, I hope the researchers who conducted the studies to find the wage gap put a little more effort into their formulas than just "finding the median". Do you have a direct link to the journal?
more accurate than the mean? more "accurate"? i'd love to know your justification for that or even just what you mean by accurate if my data is 0,6,8,10,120, 2000, 10,000 then the median is 10. a median ignores the extreme and places an arbitrary importance on a middle number. On it's own it is practically useless at representing a set of data, with interquartile ranges it becomes slightly better at representing the data but on it's own it might as well be picking a random number. median takes into account every single piece of data and literally takes the average of them all. So how is that less "accurate"? pretty much every study takes the median, us, uk, everywhere. www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/295833/Analysis_of_the_Gender_Pay_Gap.pdf and the wiki on gender pag gap will take you to any studies you could need. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_pay_gap
Glitched Link I was also waiting for the counter-argument to directly oppose what the actual wage gap may be/if it exists. Cool facts and whatnot, I guess, but it almost seems like a useless video with no counter-argument.
Well, notice that he said median: as in smack in the middle of the data, rather than mean/average. Which would have been a better representation of the data.
Well that's not necessarily true. Median is usually a much better measure of central tendency for wages because extreme outliers can really skew the mean. If you used the mean to determine the central tendency of wages in a corporation for example, it would be way too high to be meaningful due to the small number of extremely rich people in the upper levels (CEO, etc.) throwing it off. Median is a much better tool in this situation.
Heres a good way to break it down for many that can't battle the mental gymnastics that some of these people that claim that there is a gap throw at you. Should a woman who is working as a graphic designer for a website have the same equal pay has a man who is working in a power plant around the clock, should the woman who is designing a blog post he paid the exact same wage as a man who is literally keeping the lights running.
Good stuff. Shouldn't we still make what efforts we can to stem the motherhood penalty though, considering they are the ones who are you know...repopulating the earth. Perhaps paid maternity leave, most westernized countries have that to some extant. Something else perhaps?
The world is overpopulated as it is, no need to crowd it by force - if you can't afford kids, don't have kids. it's really THAT simple. And women are not some divine beings conjuring our children from the mystical realm of narnia, they use male sperm and male DNA to do it, so enough with this forced elevation of women to some sort of godhood because the babies physically come out of them.
fidelbogen You apparently have no desire to get it straight. In the context of work, women take more of hit when they have kids. I think i'm safe in saying that's a consensus, non controversial statement. I was suggesting that we might take steps to soften the motherhood penalty, but thanks for the irrelevant quip anyway.
NoRegretsForOurYouth Nope. You clearly said that mothers are, you know. . . repopulating the earth. And I was, you know. . wondering if fathers had anything to do with that global task.
Why all feminist don't actually study the facts like you do? why are some of them in the favor of killing men? I mean modern society needs men to operate at least 65% of it and men need women for living a life.
Before entering the video, my immediate response to the wage gap would be that the statistic probably comes from the average earnings of men versus women - not taking into account employer or position within the buisness, etc. This isn't to say it's okay that there are more men in high paying jobs, but if you compare two comparable job roles it would probably be the same pay. A grunt is a grunt; a boss is a boss.
I work with 10 men, 2 women. One of the women constantly complains about gender inequity, and then she laughs at jokes about gay men being 'feminine' (One each day this week, which is uncomfortable, because my uncle is gay). I don't get where this disconnect happens. Discrimination based on gender and gender stereotype is bad, but apparently only when it's personal.
Thank you! I'm entirely for the equal pay thing, as there is no reason for two people doing the same exact work to be payed differently, but people are a bit crazy with it right now. The stats always seem to include total-pay and never factor in the tiny but important variables such as hours worked, height of positions, and willingness to actually be upfront and ask for a raise. Plus yeah, laws prevent discrimination so if it IS happening to women out there maybe they should take action against their terrible employers?
3 years ago I couldn't imagine going to a conservative and/or libertarian news outlet for fair and objective coverage and/or commentary on the issues. But, this is what it's come to.
One place I believe you will find marked difference in pay between men and women is fashion, particularly modelling. Why isn't this highlighted more often when discussing equality in pay for the same work performed?
Excellent analysis, there is a fellow classmate of mine who is writing a argument paper on this and used the wage gap statistic, she needs to know that many factors that they didn't mention contributes to it.
In my past employment as a technician with women co workers - in two different companies - I have experienced the following: The female co worker gravitated toward doing paper work, writing reports, performing simple tests etc., leaving the more difficult tasks of machine maintenance/systems repair, crawling under and around equipment, to the male (myself), refusing to be on - call for third shift emergency repairs etc. and yet insisting on Equal Pay. In other words, girls want 'girl-work' and 'man-pay'!!
Share the link to the study article?
Hi James, great question! Here's the study: goo.gl/JgrYxZ
You will most probably never read all of it.
I read a bit of it and am leery of some of it. The data is admittedly incomplete and sometimes had to be projected and inferences or hypothesis made. All that set aside, should women pay a price in industry because they bare children? For example, is it fair for a company to pay a woman less claiming her medical benefits cost the company more? Aren't the fathers of children equally financially culpable as they impregnated a woman whose health insurance costs will likely cost the company she works for (provided they provide healthcare) more? I am always suspicious of arguments from companies that use the potential of motherhood as an excuse to pay women less or worse, to not hire them at all.
then do you propose we compensate for women just because they can bare children? They can't pay someone less, as if they did the work place would be filled with only women ( cue the statistics about asian countries who are site to almost all clothing retailers bc of that minimal salary they get) Essentially I think the gouvernement fucks us all wether we are men, women, black, white, asian, hispanic, gay, straight, bi, trans! IT's a global domination they seek. It might sound very sceptic but greed doesn't discriminate!
I guess what I was proposing was that a man and a woman working the exact same job at the same level with the same experience and same performance should get paid the same. That a woman "may" bare a child should not allow the company to lower her pay arguing that the cost of her health is more expensive. 1) That woman may not bare a child. 2) If she did, her partner was part of that equation. It is the latter point I contemplated in a broad way. Especially as the article is treating the topic broadly. It takes both genders to produce offspring and hence both genders should bare the financial burden and the care/upbringing of children within our society. It reminds me of a male colleague's argument that he should not have to pay for educating other people's children and wished to not have to pay property taxes that went toward education. Later he had children and now reaps the benefit of everyone pitching in for the benefit of everyone's children. There are some things like this that seem more communal to me and the benefits society reaps from well educated children are huge. As well the benefits society reaps from healthcare provided for a woman throughout her pregnancy and during her birth are huge. And I feel both men and women should get time off work etc...
I think it is true that if wages are extremely low that less educated, less trained people will likely get those jobs. In the case of clothing, those jobs did get filled more with women. However why this is the case is still something we'd need more data to understand in my opinion. But the lower wage is likely one factor.
Governments are definitely problematic. Unfortunately those who gravitate toward the top are often power hungry and after money and control. Signs when a government becomes less representative and more autocratic are when they try to shut up the press, try to demolish checks and balances like overseeing committees checking ethics etc and generating blatant lies to stir the public up in a fog of false understanding. Good example is to shut out scientific analysis completely in order to steamroll ahead and use every tiny scrap of land for someone's profit at the expensive of the environment and the people living directly within the vicinity. I'm sure at some point some people would maybe argue 2+2 does not equal 4, but some other number of their own invention. Until it matters directly to their bottom line. And it is the money trail we should all carefully follow.
This is what feminism is. Seeking the facts and giving attention to the real issues that exist. Not hearing something on tumblr and reposting it as man-hate.
Feminism is whatever you want it to be at this point. There is no "true" feminist. By that definition, scientists are feminists. Word games are fun.
How about just calling it being a responsible adult?
Feminists don't want responsibility.
This is what feminism should be, not necessarily is.
Suraya293 do you even know what the fuck your saying or are you utterly failing at some deep insightful comment that landed 100 yards away from any point you were sadly trying to make...
Logic has never made a women as beautiful as this woman is.
Fire Wall So what have you done for humanity lately?
@@scienceandmusic4295 does fighting fires count? lol
I'd vote for you if you ran for president.
+roter13 Can Milo Yiannopoulos be vice?
+bowie33333 No, he's a Brit. But that means he should be prime minister of Britain.
+bowie33333 Milo would not be a good political figure, I hope we can agree on that.
+Random Guy he makes good opposition, i would not trust him to decide though
Maric Yep. He's good at stirring the shit-pot and making arguments, but his conclusions can be off-the-wall and he too often forgets he was being facetious.
I came into this video thinking that you would go off saying how horrible the wage gap was. But to my surprise you told the actual facts. I am truly happy I came across this video. And I look forward to watching more of your videos... thank you
This is a women I respect highly.
I have hated feminism, mainly the man crushing version.
What is so great about her is that she knows the facts and she has some amazing viewpoints.
I don't like many feminists because of there harsh view points. But this women right here has the right ideas.
I look up to few people as leader, she is one of them.
***** she didn't make any fucking interesting veiw points at all... she listed vague as fuck "variables" and assumed that was enough for a quality rebutal... does this bitch not know the first thing about debating... she had the disagreeing part down but forgot all about and supporting statistics or senarios for these supposed "variables" that apparently women aren't accounting for... apparently those variable consist of showing leg and blowing your boss... because the only other thing is that you people are claiming women are downright lazy... try giving fucking birth and then go back and try that shit... women arent trying hard enough... what is that shit?
Kevin Niles why are you so mad brah? you're letting you're rage cloud what she is actually saying. she never said women are lazy and no one ever said childbirth isn't difficult... so idk why you even brought this up...
her argument is pretty straight-forward and simple. feminists are using misleading information to skew statistics in their favor by comparing jobs/incomes with jobs that do not belong in comparable categories, such as placing office jobs in a comparable category as manual labor positions. it's like comparing apples and oranges. when it comes down to it, if a man and a woman with the same work experience are working the exact same job (apples to apples), women and men are paid the same.
get off you're high horse, feminist agenda. facts are facts... learn it, love it, live it
@@lordnelson455 lol
TheJournalisticBrony women like her r people who can help to bring equality into our society in a calm factual n unbiased manner n it’s shit that in my opinion that feminists r labelled as man hating gender equalises sjw who just bitch on Twitter for some likes n tweets make a huge song n dance n that just splits people one hand u have those like them who’ll support them n those who can’t stand it n then start to hate that group for being as sexist as they proclaim the other side is n it’s shit cos they’re a good percentage of women n men Probably who are unbiased n respect each gender for what they r don’t make a huge huge huge problem about it n say oh yh if u don’t listen ur a sexist piece of shit n it’s horrible cos if more feminist were like the women in this video a feminist who is respectful honest intelligent n calm n polite about then equality can be a thing very soon in fact cos ur hooking both sides of the argument more than people who bitch n moan on Twitter about everyone hating women when that is far from true I respect women n I do wish to see my peers be honoured for me like how I honour this woman for her take on equality I wish more feminists in particular look to her as a sort of idol n learn what makes her arguments work to engage an audience to side with her beliefs then who knows maybe people will take you more seriously
Brohoof. /)
If companies really could get away with paying women less, why would they hire men?
It seems like they could save a lot of money.
Schwarzer Ritter
*If companies really could get away with paying women less, why would they hire men?
It seems like they could save a lot of money.*
Hey stop with that logic-talk. It's so "male-centric", it should be a hate crime.
+Schwarzer Ritter
a lot of things need to be asked first. what are the jobs in demand? what gender group undergo training or education for such jobs? do the jobs require being away from home? what gender group is more willing to do just that?
+Schwarzer Ritter excellent point well made
+Schwarzer Ritter:
Patriarchy.
Which happens to be the answer to any other question you might have, by the way.
+nefaristo hahhahahaahha science in its purest form
This woman makes me cry. She's actually doing real feminism, equality of both genders(I think humanism is a better term) and then feminist frequency and Tumblr "femenists" just make femenism a game of hating males and making crime and marketing issues gender issues.
SJWS and cancel culture have only gotten worse. I wish to go back to the early and mid 2010s, when things were much simpler on the internet.
@@Juggaletta Explain this one to me chief
Poor Sommers. This is like the 5th video she's done on the wage gap, debunking it AGAIN. I can almost see the annoyance in her face. :(
It must be so frustrating.
+Adonis Batheus "Frustrating"? She's been at it for decades. She saw an entire generation get born and grow up to believe in things like the Wage Gap. All that time there was no end in sight, no reinforcements to come, barely an ally to speak of, little hope for change. It has only been very recently that some people have grow weary and started speaking out against the lies and the propaganda. *Imagine how grim and depressing it must have been all the years before that to see the world around you succumb to insanity, and to be powerless to stop it.*
+Vestin Decades? Surely you jest, she can't be a day over 29.
+bowie33333 Smooth ^
The gender wage gap came into focus this week, but not in the way the White House wanted. A reporter asked about AEI's study showing that Obama administration female staffers make only 88% of their male counterparts' salaries. Christina Hoff Sommers examines spokesman Jay Carney's response in this premiere episode of her video blog, "Factual Feminist."
I've got one question that nobody has been able to answer. Why is it, if this "wage gap" exists... do businesses just not employ women rather than men? Think about that.... if companies can save even a penny on labor.... take a look at longer term savings. Remember that trick question... would you take a $100,000 or a penny a day, double for 30 days? Their return would be insane in the long run.
Revalationsinfinity
Actually the feminists do have an "answer" to this...they claim that it is the boys club or something similar..they claim that men would still not hire women even though they could pay them less. Let me tell you if you ever trying to argue with a feminist, you already know that at some point, they would say something like this to justify everything. NO ACCOUNTABILITY! Oh yea all men just get together and decide not to pay women more... you can explain to the feminists in step by step easy to follow ways but it is their sexist man hating mindset that is the root of it.
luckybozo lucky
That's just my point... CLAIMS... any fact they bring to the table, they cite false references or can't provide any. Lies, deceit, manipulation, all tactics of feminists to achieve complete chaos.
luckybozo lucky
You don't argue with a feminist or someone with such illogical viewpoints to change their mind. Their mind is already set. You argue with them so other people can see how they aren't basing their argument on facts, just feel good emotions.
CameronRounder I'm actually having fun w/ a feminist right now on a video. She's quite vulgar and it's amusing to see her turrets out
Wow....a feminist that uses her brain and does research.
Color me impressed, I salute you and award you +20 internet points. Dont spend them all in one place
+malus viovode hahaha that reminded me of fallout if that was an atribute XD
+malus viovode Internet points should actually be a thing.
Internet currency. Good idea.
lmao
you have given me hope. I will now subscribe and watch all your videos.
It's probably too late since this video was posted months ago, but here are my thoughts:
I really enjoy listening to your videos; I find them to be insightful and they give a nice counter to the traditional twitter/tumblr feminism I see most of the time. I understand that these videos must already require a great deal of work, but it would be good to see some videos that dive even more extensively on various gender issues (for example, you mentioned that multiple factors contribute to the alleged gender pay gap, and I wouldn't mind seeing a 10-or-so minute video where you expound upon these points).
Even more so, most of your videos act as fact checks for faulty or misleading figures purported by the media, which I find very useful and important in our sensationalized society. However, I would also love to hear some of your takes on issues that you feel women (and men) legitimately face today. In particular, I find that a huge amount of attention is spent on the suffering of women, but comparatively very little on the expectations and education of boys and men, who are generally seen as the offenders of these issues. I'd love your take on this if possible. Thanks!
It's never too late for constructive feedback. Thanks, and we will definitely consider longer videos for some topics.
+Lucas Glint
It's never too late to thumbs up comments.
Unless Google+ says you cant touch the old UA-cam accounts : (
The few amount of views of this clip is a sad fact of our times.
There is another video done by her (and others, I'm pretty sure) that has about 2 million views as of now, and it is closely related to this video. It's "The Myth of the Gender Wage Gap", uploaded by PragerU. You should check it out (if you haven't already, of course)!
I'd say the fact that anyone watched this garbage is a sad fact of our times.
CreamOf Weber if the truth hurts than fuck your feelings.
CreamOf Weber Indeed, realizing that the mind control hasn't Zombied everyone must be a sad day.
@@creamofweber5170 I loved your point, especially that part where you didn't express it and instead spat out your hatred meaninglessly.
You are awesome and it's very refreshing to hear from a "Factual Feminist." As a numbers geek it drivers me crazy when people abuse statistics and ignore hard facts.
The Equal Pay Act of 1963
Im just going to leave this here.
"Everyone will be served better by truth." I really like that, it's a great message. On an unrelated note, you have the prettiest eyes I've ever seen.
I love all of your videos! As a Canadian Woman I agree with you on all your very important issues and topics.Keep them coming!! Your words are music to my ears :)
Never thought i'd see a critical thinking feminist. Hats off to you madam.
Once you control for work experience, education, etc, the gap is about 98% instead of 77%. And even that is easily accounted for by women's choices. From what I understand women tend to prefer benefits, more time off, and working fewer, or less in demand hours (eg. less likely to work the night shift, or work overtime).
And it makes so much sense. Because if as a business man, you could hire a women and pay her 77% of what you pay a man for the exact same work, why would you ever hire a man?
Travis Retriever Do you have any studies or figures you can link to? Not saying I don't believe you, I just like to read these things.
mariomaner555 thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=hire_women (sources at the bottom)
mariomaner555 www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=2718.msg29427#msg29427
I was once almost thrown out of class because I doubted the gender wage gap.
Wow, now that... _that_ felt welcoming! Very intellectual, but most of all _welcoming_. Thanks Christina, I accept your invitation to your channel. :)
I never thought I would subscribe to a feminist channel, not because I don't believe in women's rights, but because of how militant and isolating "feminists" can be. THANK YOU for your work.
The study Christina references at 0:57 can be found and read at the following link:
www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20Report.pdf
thumbs up this post so that others will be able to see it easily.
(not sure why she didn't just post a link to it in the description box)
We need more people like her in this world. Nowadays everyone sees something on the internet and get all upset about these "facts" and none of them do their research to see if the statistics back them up. Thank you Factual Feminist for the useful knowledge and trying to help educate America
Can more people think like this wonderful woman please? Yeah, That'd be great thanks
I find the real problem is that no one wants to discuss it, i have had people tell me to be quiet, or I'm stupid, even though their only argument is "no, your wrong"
women choices= no, you're wrong
work ethics= no, you're wrong
overtime worked= no, you're wrong
bogus survey Technics= no, you're wrong
hard to have a discussion with this sort of argument
The "gender wage gap" is a very big part of feminist rhetoric. My question to you is this:
How do other feminists respond to your rebuttal of the gender wage gap? Are you respected? Ignored? Hated? Loved? I would really like to know.
From what I have experienced on the professional networking site Linkedin, feminist were deeply disappointed with the fact that the originally commonly reported wage gap statistic is WAY off and the real difference is closer to 4%. They rejected what was, essentially, good news. Baffling. However, this was more distressing. When asked to consider another gender-based workplace statistic-95% of workplace deaths are suffered by men-they thought the (imaginary) wage gap issue was more critical.
They move the goal posts. Feminists start with the smallest number (the largest gap) they can get away with. Criticise it and watch the gap get smaller and smaller
Ken Francis Dangerous jobs generally pay more. Feminists complain about being paid less but are unwilling to do the risky work that pays more. They want nice, safe, easy jobs in clean, air-conditioned buildings, but they also want the money that comes from doing hazardous and difficult work in extreme conditions.
Ken Francis
They're disappointed with the reality because they live to be professional victims.
They call her a "conservative". The mental gymnastics are actually really pathetic to watch.
This seems like an honest and rational representation of what is actually going on in the workplace.
The media does this all the time, making up facts, overexaggerating facts, making them into hypes... The problem is that anything about discrimination is more sensitive and gets taken more seriously and so people believe these stats without
checking them or even thinking about them.
I found this channel 2 days ago and i have all ready watched all factual feminist blogs. Before this i considered myself anti feminist but you have restored my faith for actual feminism. Now i will consider myself only a anti radical feminist.
Thank you for your work!
3:42 It _almost_ sounds as if she's advocating for women to be treated like rational! competent adults instead of victims and emotional children. No wonder Feminists can't get a grip on this topic.
1. Women are usually less aggressive than men, men will push for a raise where women usually don’t
2. Men and women don’t usually do equal paid work
3. There are many variables like the seniority of people who work there
4. Why not hire more women if you can get away paying them less than a man
5. And this is the most important one, “male strippers are paid less than female ones”
Bless her heart (not in the southerner's mean sense) for standing up for truth. However, before getting all too carried away by Christina Hoff Summers, she continues to promote some kind of feminism, only a softer, gentler, more informed feminism, perhaps, but here around 3:22 she still says "Now it is not my claim that women no longer face discrimination in the United States ..." -- but that is just again the rhetoric of women's rights activists who manufacture "discrimination" issues by ignoring the other side. Everything about the myth of oppressed women is manufactured by deception with half-truths.
Women's rights issues have always been manufactured by subtracting women's benefits and responsibility for the status quo. This isn't about bartering little disconnected grievances, but to overcome the female vicimology principle which is a fraud created by cherry picking whatever allows to wager the biggest grab to power and dominance.
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Women's rights issues? Such as the right to vote? or the right to own property? I'm not sure that you have articulated your position very clearly.
Why should women get the right to vote for free when men had to die drafted into the war and still today have no right to vote that is not directly linked to the draft?
Thumbs up to this channel. For some time I've seen this "Atheist vs Feminist" thingy, but never gotten anything but shouting and name-calling. I had no idea what people were actually arguing about. This channel makes it clear, and voids the confusion. Thanks!
Christina, we are told that women are the majority victims of domestic assault . However, a study published by the Journal of family violence found that women are more likely to be violent to children, elders, and non-violent males. What is the truth?
Always enjoy listening to Ms. Sumners, finally a feminist with a sense of equity, common sense, who deals in facts, not sexist, feminist hyperbole. Good commentary.
The Equal Pay Act of 1963...nuff said
***** What's that supposed to mean?
Company A (a large company) hires six men and four women, all with equal qualifications, and pays them each $65,000 a year. Company B (a medium company) hires five men and five women, all with the same exact qualifications of those newbies at Company A, and pays them $55,000 a year. Company C (a small company) hires six women and four men, all with the same exact qualifications as the newbies at Company A, but only pays them $45,000. Men: [(6 * $65K) + (5 * $55K) + (4 * $45K)] / 15 = $56,333 average salary Women: [(4 * $65K) + (5 * $55K) + (6 * $45K)] / 15 = $53,667 average salary Difference: (56,333 - 53,667) / 56,333 = 0.0473 There exists a 4.7% gender pay gap, yet no woman is paid less than the men with the same qualifications working in the same company. [The math works in reverse too--give Company A 6 women/4 men and Company C 4 women/6 men--and the men will collectively be paid less than the women.] Numbers can be skewed simply by altering which companies are chosen to compare.
"There are still workplaces where women are being short-changed."
Like trash collectors?
Oh, wait..
More like there are a few random cases of a boss/company short-changing female workers. But they don't last very long and are an individual thing and not a systemic issues.
Duke00x I think looking for yet another law, when there are perfectly good laws prohibiting discrimination in the workplace already, just creates another cultural Marxist special protected class that couldn't be further from real equality. Believing that we are always just one more law away from a perfect society, is just a statist calamity that doesn't work. Ultimately, feminists need to realize that not working pays less than working, and collecting trash in foul weather pays more than sitting at a comfy desk surfing Facebook or Pinterest. Thankfully, that's still the way the world works. But their trick is to alway focus on the very top earners and whine about not having what that tiny minority (which the vast majority of men are not a part of either) that seems to have it all, has.
there is not enough women seeing representation on road paving crews and building highway overpasses. We need to make strong efforts
the only feminist who doesn't make my brain cells commit suicide one by one. thank you for being an actual intellectual
Lol 😅😆😂😂
Thank you ... glad you're doing these vids!
I've read most comments and watched the video, however, nobody ever mentioned the fact that race also plays a huge part in this discussion. Race, a topic that many are afraid to bring into conversation. The truth is, this isn't just about men and women, it's also about the ethnicity of women. The "statistics" of women here are being generalized, because yes, there is indeed a difference between how much white women, black women, hispanic women, etc. get payed and/or are prone to discrimination. I've noticed that in all of these videos, things are only seen and explained through the perception of caucasian women. The world of a woman of color is very disparate to that of a caucasian woman. This is leaving out a lot.
No matter what race or gender you are, you are ALWAYS going to get payed EXACTLY the same amount for the job. Now, having said that, the difficulties that people with a different skin colour have in getting the job is another issue completely. But if you get the job, the pay is the same.
Seeing videos like this gives me hope. Not all the people out there are brainwashed idiots. Thank you for speaking the truth!!
This is why I like 2nd wave feminists and totally agree with them. They look for facts and are not ignorant.
bbomg02
wait?weren't the second-wave feminists last 1960s like:Betty Friedan and Gloria Steinem the ones who started the wage gap myth?
I remembered that a while back some Feminists were invited to Congress to Discuss the Suggested "Wage Gap". and the most common answer they gave to 90% of the information that was RELEVANT to the understanding of IF there is a pay gap was "WE DO NOT COLLECT THAT INFORMATION." Huh wonder why you would Refuse to accept information that would give you a Concise showing of IF there were a actual pay gap. but they did state that the Gap was determined not by ONLY FULL TIME EMPLOYEES like they claim but also part time. They admitted in congress that there was only about 1/3 the number of women Full time employees by choice as the men, so they treated PART TIME EMPLOYEES as the same as Full time employees. So they admitted to padding the numbers to BOOST their facts thus making them lies. Yes a part time Female employee is to be paid AS MUCH as a Full time woman so she can be counted when discussing the pay gap, rather then decreasing the number of MEN to make the number equal, because that TO would destroy their "FACTS"
I subscribed to this channel just to watch your videos. Thank you for this.
What are the "one or two variables" that are forgotten when these studies are performed? A few examples in the future would be greatly appreciated.
"differences in the types of positions held by men and women, differences in the pay of jobs men typically go into as opposed to women, and differences in amount of work experience, and breaks in employment" Gender pay gap on Wikipedia
She's probably using it to deliberately weasel out of having to mention any particularly contentious examples.
But if I were going to explain it, I would say that it largely boils down to women making different life choices than men do, and that women are different from men due to innate, biological sexual dimorphism.
On average, men focus more on their careers. They are less likely to divert their attention from their career towards their family. They are less likely to request time off for childcare.
As a matter of statistical observation, married men are more highly motivated than unmarried men, but married women are less highly motivated than unmarried women.
There's also the fact that male distributions of talent seem to be wider than female ones. Men have more geniuses and more idiots, whereas women tend to cluster more in the middle.
There's also some cognitive functions which seem better developed for one sex than the other, such as men generally being better with visual-spatial reasoning. The differences that we know of as yet don't seem particularly relevant to the problem at hand, but it is nevertheless worth noting that men and women have different average profiles of talent, and that we do not yet understand the full extent of the differences, because we still have much to learn about the functioning of the human brain.
And of course, an observed social or cultural disparity doesn't preclude the existence of an underlying biological cause, and an observed cognitive disparity doesn't preclude either a biological or a cultural cause. Stereotypes don't have to be either completely true or completely false, but can also be either over- or underestimations of actual differences in average characteristics - and such mistaken estimations, in turn, would be at least as likely to reflect honest human failure of rationality as antipathy or conscious exploitation.
There's yet more that can be said about the conceptual relationships between map and territory and how both models could each be contextually appropriate for different situations, but I think I'll stop there.
Needless to say, I feel I cannot in good conscience claim to know what's causing the gender gap, and I'm skeptical of anyone who proposes a simple, unambiguous explanation for it.
That's why I'm opposed to political action at this point. Regulatory methods are heavy-handed at the best of times. And at this point, we don't even understand the problem we're trying to correct. It's not even clear to me that we should be thinking of it as a "problem."
What I would like to see are small-to-medium-scale experimental trials and studies of possible causes and partial causes, not sweeping legislation.
OptimalOwl
She actually isn't, she was speaking metaphorically about the left out stats. You have type of job, location, hours worked, time spent for vacation. What about the time a woman must take off for maternity leave for example? The numbers are thrown out without analyzing every angle and were suppose to just go along w/ it?
Revalationsinfinity
So what's the difference between what you said and what I said? Whether or not to call her omission a euphemism?
Thanks for this video.
I am all up for equality and find it unacceptable that a woman would get paid less than a man simply for her gender.
But indeed, that pay difference seems to be due to factors a lot of people want to ignore that have nothing to do with a male boss saying: "this worker of mine is a woman so I am going to pay her less".
"Why play this game?"
They play this game because they have their conclusion, and they need to make the data fit it. It's blatant academic dishonesty and manipulation of data to fit their model instead of making a model that fits the data. It's difficult to push the narrative that women are oppressed victims when the data shows that in the same circumstances, men and women are treated more or less equally. I find this particularly disturbing because western society is without a doubt the most open to women and egalitarian that has ever existed in history, and many gender activists seem to want the pendulum to swing in favor of women, rather than find a happy medium where everyone has equal rights. Just my thoughts on the issue...
Damn, Christina! You just say it like it is! I can't stand this shallow politically corrected nonsense. I'm glad there are people like you that can so effortlessly sift through the nonsense of feminist "statistics" for the rest of us who simply don't have the time or capacity.
THIS VIDEO IS TRIGGERING ME!
FLAG IT NOW!!!
+ssuuppeerrbbooyy lol
lmao do you need a safe room as well jk jk
Where are the UA-cam Heros when you need them!
Elizabeth Vera *safe space
Wonderful. Thank you, shared and loved x
When they present their statistics on Domestic Violence why do they leave out the statistics on the abuse of children? Are children not part of a domestic environment?
Children aren't paying taxes and voting.
Haw can I get my 40 year old daughter to accept what you are saying without her going ballistic.
Idk man, she sounds kinda crazy
If she's 40 and goes ballistic when she's presented with proper facts, then it's too late already to change her.
Don't forget--women don't negotiate for higher salaries as men do. Why isn't Obama and co. encouraging and teaching them to negotiate?
"Don't tell women how to do things, tell boys not to negotiate!!!!!!"
+Shaun Gibson brilliant
Why should women be taught to negotiate while men aren't? you're basically saying that women need help in order to be at the level of men. Feminism means equal rights, opportunity, and treatment for both genders. But that's not following the equal treatment part.
hahaha love this
(A month late to the party)
Probably because they need the help. Men in general aggressively seek higher wages when it comes to negotiating a position. Pretty much the same way that when it comes to buying things like Cars, Men will typically negotiate for a lower price and attempt to chew the salesmen down.
Dear Based Mom,
I am a straight, white, male, Christian. You are the first feminist I've ever heard make any sense whatsoever. I'm sure there is a lot we disagree on but I'd still hug you if I had the chance. Thank you. From the bottom of my heart, thank you.
I am a single mother of 4 children and have a degree in machining... I am good at what I do, and for the short story will explain that in previous positions, with my blueprints and part fabrication, I saved one company over 385,000 in ONE 6 month period. My machining instructor told me, that with my knowledge I should indeed be worth at LEAST 21.00/hr after I got out of school... at that particular position, I was making 10.00/ hour.. mind you, this was in the oilfield business. I transferred to another position, given a small raise, and then it was specified that I speak of my pay, with NO ONE! I believe, that it was because of the difference in the male pay VS. female pay.
In this position, I more than quadrupled production, the person before me created 75 parts per day, with a normal scrap of 8-10 parts...
I created 375 parts per day, with an average of 7 parts, out of tolerance.
Recently I have been searching for a position, and no one would answer my resume... until I made one small change... instead of using my full name, I used, my first and middle initial, along with my last name....... within 24 hours of submitting a multitude of resumes, in this fashion, I received 4 phone calls. EACH time I responded "speaking" after they asked for the person on the resume...
I received stutters and silence, after they composed themselves, they asked a few questions, and then told me they would call me back...
It is SO irritating, that a woman who can do a good job in a man's field, get's treated like an outcast.... I STILL need to provide for my children, just as much as a man does.
Allainnia DeLo It is my experience, at least in the trades (carpentry, electric, et cetera) that companies ask all of their employees to keep what they're making to themselves. They do this because if they pay one person $20 they don't necessarily want their other employees who seem to be content with less to know about it. This is a universal practice. Most workers will frown on anyone who starts asking how much other employees get paid. Nothing to do with sex.
+Allainnia DeLo I would add that often times students are told estimates of wages that are unrealistic. This can be for many reasons: The school wants to keep the student in class, the teacher hasn't been in the workforce for awhile and their info is outdated, wages fluctuate based on the area and cost of living in that area. Also, it is illegal to pay less based on gender. If you can prove it you can sue and earn back wages at the very least.
To think that this video was from 2014, when SJW cancel culture wasn't as bad as it is today. I wish to go back to my high school days when things were much simpler.
How come no one that works for congress checked the facts? ._.
+Franken Stein Cuz they go by what is popular not by what is true. popularity = more votes.
Doesn't fit with obama or hillary's narrative, or the victim culture that the left has been building in the west for years.
Feminism is being used to separate families so it's easier for the government to control people.
They don't use scientists, statisticians, or economists in the congress anymore. Just the Bible and money.
@@imhotep6968 What?!
No question, but I would like to complement Christina Hoff Sommers on her excellent work in her blog. Journalism as a whole needs more like her.
Holy shit! (excuse my french) An honest feminist that doesn't hate men and want special privileges? *picks jaw up off the floor.
Im subscribing..you should call yourself the factual egalitarian but im still impressed
I am a social economist and I thank you for this appealing explanation. Very relevant ans clear.
This shows feminism is a money-making scam. If this feminist knows it is all lies then others must be wilfully lying. This woman could easily be saying the wage gap is real and nobody would call her out.
I worked in construction next to a gal who had way less exsperience then me. She was paid twice as much as me. Why? She went through union I did not. And I was required to work harder then she was.
Wow, I found a link to you from reddit, the first feminist that isn't crazy, I'm sure there is more where you came from, why don't we hear from your side more than the other "loud" side of feminist?
she's not the first. she's just from a different age of feminism.
+Justin Ashman I'd say more from another dimension.
+nefaristo you can find sensible feminists, you just have to avoid the Internet and women's studies majors.
they are, however, still difficult to find.
Justin Ashman yes, and that becomes a problem in general understanding: "feminist" is supposed to be a (poorly chosen) word for "being for women's rights", but (today and in the first world) another good aproximation of that concept is... "biped" :).
The word in itself gives no information, that's why we need so many addictional adjectives.
Since feminism has 1)bad etimology in the first place 2)nuts prevalence within the active part of the group, imo the sensible feminists are the ones who should drop the pseudolabel (which would then become a label again, therefore somehow useful)
And here i was worrying if true feminism has died, nah she lives 🥲
Good work, Christina. You are one of the few feminists I still have respect for. Here are a couple absolutely bizarre and far-fetched "statistics" for you:
-Women do 66% of all the work in the world (Cheryl Sandberg)
-1 in 3 women will be the victim of gender based violence in her lifetime (Eve Ensler)
I'd like to see how these stand up to scrutiny. Thanks for caring about men and boys too.
If there were a world president, I wish it would be her
You should run for president, I'd vote for you.
Liked.
I've been saying this for years.
Women earn the same for the SAME work. They earn less for doing different work. What is so surprising about that?
You know what. I’m subscribed. Watched your videos. Good job.
Is there away to subscribe to this show only? I want to subscribe to the "Factual Feminist" but not necessarily to the American Enterprise Institute.
I think I saw you give a presentation with Steven Crowder at some university, you did a great job getting your point across even though you were being interrupted. Thank you for what you are doing.
*Please read the entire post before commenting. The conclusion I make by the end of the post is that we should remain agnostic on the existence of a gender pay gap, and anyone that definitively states one way or another is wrong.*
*ORIGINAL POST 09/22/14*
I don't see the real point you were trying to make for this video; all you were doing was denying the evidence presented, simply dismissing it as "specious". Until I see a valid counter-argument, I'm not going to believe that the gender wage gap doesn't exist. Others were able enough to provide statistics and figures that a wage gap exists, so why can't you provide evidence that one doesn't?
*UPDATE 10/02/14*
So, I did some research, and it turns out the gender pay gap in the United States does exist. It’s not as high as some people claim (the raw wage gap is at around 20%), but it does still exist at 4.8 - 7.1% when relevant factors are considered. I have posted below sections of a CONSAD study prepared for the U.S. Department of Labor. At the bottom of this post you will also find the PDF of the study so you can read it yourself.
*Quoted Sections from CONSAD Report:*
The following report prepared by CONSAD Research Corporation presents the results of a detailed statistical analysis of the attributes that contribute to the wage gap and a synopsis of the economic research that has been conducted on the issue. The major findings are:
There are observable differences in the attributes of men and women that account for most of the wage gap. Statistical analysis that includes those variables has produced results that collectively account for between 65.1 and 76.4 percent of a raw gender wage gap of 20.4 percent, *and thereby leave an adjusted gender wage gap that is between 4.8 and 7.1 percent.*
These variables include:
A greater percentage of women than men tend to work part-time. Part-time work tends to pay less than full-timework. A greater percentage of women than men tend to leave the labor force for child birth, child care and elder care. Some of the wage gap is explained by the percentage of women who were not in the labor force during previous years, the age of women, and the number of children in the home.
Women, especially working mothers, tend to value “family friendly” workplace policies more than men. Some of the wage gap is explained by industry and occupation, particularly, the percentage of women who work in the industry and occupation.
The tables reveal that there are large differences between male workers and female workers in relation to many of the factors. In particular, Table 1 indicates that the average wage rate among males is 24 percent higher than the average wage rate among females. Women tend to work in industries and occupations where most of their coworkers are female; men tend to work in industries and occupations where most of their coworkers are male. Compared to women, a larger percentage of men work overtime, and men who work overtime work more overtime hours. Conversely, a larger percentage of female workers currently work part-time, especially for family-related reasons. A larger percentage of women have pursued education or training after obtaining high school diplomas or general educational development (GED) certificates, but a larger percentage of men have earned professional or doctoral degrees. Finally, a much larger percentage of women have been out of the labor force or have worked part-time during the last one to five years.
In this study, an attempt has been made to use data from a large cross-sectional database, the Outgoing Rotation Group files of the 2007 CPS, to construct variables that satisfactorily characterize factors whose effects have previously been estimated only using longitudinal data, so that reliable estimates of those effects can be derived in an analysis of the cross-sectional data. Specifically, variables have been developed to represent career interruption among workers with specific gender, age, and number of children. Statistical analysis that includes those variables has produced results that collectively account for between 65.1 and 76.4 percent of a raw gender wage gap of 20.4 percent, *and thereby leave an adjusted gender wage gap that is between 4.8 and 7.1 percent.*
*Read the PDF here:*
www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20Report.pdf
*UPDATE 10/18/14*
So, it turns out I missed a very important part of the CONSAD report. The conclusion states that it is not possible to know whether a gender wage gap truly exists or not, because a thorough enough analysis on the 4.8 - 7.1 percent estimated gap isn't feasible.
*QUOTE from CONSAD Report*
In principle, the multiple counting could be eliminated by estimating the various proportions concurrently within a single comprehensive analysis that considers all of the factors simultaneously. Such an analysis is not feasible to conduct with the available databases. Some factors, such as occupation and industry, require data for very large numbers of workers to represent adequately the detailed groupings of employees or employers that existing research indicates best describe the effects of the factors. Other factors, such as work experience and job tenure, require data that describe the behavior of individual workers over extended time periods. The longitudinal data bases that contain such information include too few workers, however, to support adequate analysis of factors like occupation and industry; whereas the cross-sectional data bases that include enough workers to enable analysis of factors like occupation and industry do not collect data on individual workers over long enough periods to support adequate analysis of factors like work experience and job tenure. Further, analysis of compensating wage adjustments generally requires data from several independent and, often, specialized sources.
As a result, it is not possible now, and doubtless will never be possible, to determine reliably whether any portion of the observed gender wage gap is not attributable to factors that compensate women and men differently on socially acceptable bases, and hence can confidently be attributed to overt discrimination against women. In addition, at a practical level, the complex combination of factors that collectively determine the wages paid to different individuals makes the formulation of policy that will reliably redress any overt discrimination that does exist a task that is, at least, daunting and, more likely, unachievable.
*END QUOTE*
In conclusion, it is impossible to say either "the wage gap definitely exists" or "the wage gap definitely does not exist". This particular video simply states that the statistics used by the media and politicians are incorrect, not that the wage gap definitely does not exist. In this sense, the video is right. I only wish that a reference to this study had been made in the video to save everyone time and effort, but in the end we now have the answer.
when working with statistics there are very few cases when you need to take and use a media value as an average for the whole group.
one of the reasons to use it would be because it distorts the data to fit a point you are already trying to make.
The median is just an awful average to use. imagine 99 men and 99 women and rank them in order, ascending usually but it doesn't matter. the median takes the wage of the 50th man and compares it to the wage of the 50th woman. Tell me, do you think that is going to show anything meaningful?
Graeme Evans
Taking the median is actually more accurate than taking the mean when you want to find the average of data. However, I hope the researchers who conducted the studies to find the wage gap put a little more effort into their formulas than just "finding the median". Do you have a direct link to the journal?
more accurate than the mean? more "accurate"? i'd love to know your justification for that or even just what you mean by accurate
if my data is 0,6,8,10,120, 2000, 10,000 then the median is 10. a median ignores the extreme and places an arbitrary importance on a middle number. On it's own it is practically useless at representing a set of data, with interquartile ranges it becomes slightly better at representing the data but on it's own it might as well be picking a random number.
median takes into account every single piece of data and literally takes the average of them all. So how is that less "accurate"?
pretty much every study takes the median, us, uk, everywhere.
www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/295833/Analysis_of_the_Gender_Pay_Gap.pdf
and the wiki on gender pag gap will take you to any studies you could need. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_pay_gap
Glitched Link She mentions this one
goo.gl/gYFqhg
Glitched Link I was also waiting for the counter-argument to directly oppose what the actual wage gap may be/if it exists.
Cool facts and whatnot, I guess, but it almost seems like a useless video with no counter-argument.
I digress, but this video series gave me one of my new favorite terms: "advocacy data".
Well, notice that he said median: as in smack in the middle of the data, rather than mean/average. Which would have been a better representation of the data.
Well that's not necessarily true. Median is usually a much better measure of central tendency for wages because extreme outliers can really skew the mean.
If you used the mean to determine the central tendency of wages in a corporation for example, it would be way too high to be meaningful due to the small number of extremely rich people in the upper levels (CEO, etc.) throwing it off. Median is a much better tool in this situation.
stevethetree1991 Hmmm, never thought of it that way..Thank you sir!
The Generalissimo No worries! Have a good one
This was fastest, most civilized discussion I've seen on the internet so far in my life... kudos.
Jose Miramontes :)
Heres a good way to break it down for many that can't battle the mental gymnastics that some of these people that claim that there is a gap throw at you. Should a woman who is working as a graphic designer for a website have the same equal pay has a man who is working in a power plant around the clock, should the woman who is designing a blog post he paid the exact same wage as a man who is literally keeping the lights running.
Good stuff. Shouldn't we still make what efforts we can to stem the motherhood penalty though, considering they are the ones who are you know...repopulating the earth. Perhaps paid maternity leave, most westernized countries have that to some extant. Something else perhaps?
The world is overpopulated as it is, no need to crowd it by force - if you can't afford kids, don't have kids. it's really THAT simple.
And women are not some divine beings conjuring our children from the mystical realm of narnia, they use male sperm and male DNA to do it, so enough with this forced elevation of women to some sort of godhood because the babies physically come out of them.
So let's get this straight: fathers have nothing to do with, you know...repopulating the earth?
fidelbogen You apparently have no desire to get it straight. In the context of work, women take more of hit when they have kids. I think i'm safe in saying that's a consensus, non controversial statement. I was suggesting that we might take steps to soften the motherhood penalty, but thanks for the irrelevant quip anyway.
NoRegretsForOurYouth
Nope. You clearly said that mothers are, you know. . . repopulating the earth. And I was, you know. . wondering if fathers had anything to do with that global task.
NoRegretsForOurYouth
I think you're factually correct, but I fundamentally disagree that anyone owes you the leisure time to raise a child.
This video is a classic from Christina Hoff Sommers, awesome
Why all feminist don't actually study the facts like you do? why are some of them in the favor of killing men? I mean modern society needs men to operate at least 65% of it and men need women for living a life.
If all men go on strike for 3 days, they will need 3 years to recover from the damage.
Before entering the video, my immediate response to the wage gap would be that the statistic probably comes from the average earnings of men versus women - not taking into account employer or position within the buisness, etc. This isn't to say it's okay that there are more men in high paying jobs, but if you compare two comparable job roles it would probably be the same pay. A grunt is a grunt; a boss is a boss.
The fact that one percent of the population hold ninety nine percent of the wealth doesn't seem to get a mention. It's such a social injustice.
I love this. Drilling down and parsing the facts behind the issues. What a concept. Beauty.
I work with 10 men, 2 women. One of the women constantly complains about gender inequity, and then she laughs at jokes about gay men being 'feminine' (One each day this week, which is uncomfortable, because my uncle is gay). I don't get where this disconnect happens. Discrimination based on gender and gender stereotype is bad, but apparently only when it's personal.
Thank you! I'm entirely for the equal pay thing, as there is no reason for two people doing the same exact work to be payed differently, but people are a bit crazy with it right now. The stats always seem to include total-pay and never factor in the tiny but important variables such as hours worked, height of positions, and willingness to actually be upfront and ask for a raise. Plus yeah, laws prevent discrimination so if it IS happening to women out there maybe they should take action against their terrible employers?
3 years ago I couldn't imagine going to a conservative and/or libertarian news outlet for fair and objective coverage and/or commentary on the issues. But, this is what it's come to.
Yup. Can't argue with anything Sommers has said.
What? Statisticians omitting variables to publish their results?
Now I'm thinking maybe ice cream DOESN'T cause robberies...
thank you christina hoff sommers for telling it like it is
One place I believe you will find marked difference in pay between men and women is fashion, particularly modelling. Why isn't this highlighted more often when discussing equality in pay for the same work performed?
Thank you for disproving this finally
The real answer for this debate- we need a *transparent* pay act. Wages and Salaries should not be private. Would erase the complaint entirely
still a raging debate two years later...
Good to see this side of the story.
i have to say this is well done and i enjoyed the factual analysis that you gave
Fookin go on lad. Finally a femanist who understands.
Wow. A rational feminist. You people are increasingly rare to find.
Excellent analysis, there is a fellow classmate of mine who is writing a argument paper on this and used the wage gap statistic, she needs to know that many factors that they didn't mention contributes to it.
In my past employment as a technician with women co workers - in two different companies - I have experienced the following: The female co worker gravitated toward doing paper work, writing reports, performing simple tests etc., leaving the more difficult tasks of machine maintenance/systems repair, crawling under and around equipment, to the male (myself), refusing to be on - call for third shift emergency repairs etc. and yet insisting on Equal Pay. In other words, girls want 'girl-work' and 'man-pay'!!