We Need To Talk About Crownfall
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- Опубліковано 3 чер 2024
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We Need To Talk About Crownfall
My hero guides are mainly for people learning how to play Dota or for those who want to learn how to play a new hero. I aim to teach people the general concept of how the hero should be played and what makes it unique. I'm a Divine player around 5k and don't claim to be the best at Dota, but I do have enough knowledge and experience to help you learn the basics.
I hope you enjoy the guide.
Outro Music: Lakey Inspired - Better Days - Ігри
I personally like how Dota doesn't bring a big patch every 6 months or a year and ruins the game, they do some small balance stuff and that's okay, look at how league of legends turned out, I personally used to enjoy it alongside dota, but they kept adding stuff, changing stuff, reworking heroes, etc. to the point where the game is totally a different game each year and it frankly sucks, I don't want that to happen to dota.
small changes good, constant big changes only ruin the experience.
You are right about that. I actually don't want these big changes. I just want them to actually care about the core of the game. And so if they are going to make a big change they should spend a lot of time and effort balancing it and tuning it to make it fit in with the strategy of the game. Like I said, they keep introducing these big things that completely change the game and then just do nothing to actually fix the issue these things present.
Like talents, neutrals, bigger map, etc. All these new things and they just then tweak stuff slightly and don't seem to care. I'd much rather get rid of all of that stuff and have changes that actually focus more on the strategy of the game or balancing the game like economy and stuff. As of now it just all seems like a big mess where before it was a fairly tight, complex, and deep game.
@@Docwell I don't understand what you mean here. Talents, neutrals, bigger maps represents the core of the game. And valve do balanced these periodically. They removed XP/Gold talents, reduced the mag/phy damage, etc long time ago. Some neutrals were broken, they removed it. Even items like meteor hammer was bought on every hero at every position at one point, they nerfed it. The bigger map and rosh pit was the most strategic changes and its only been a year or two since that happened
Everything I mentioned here relates to the strategy/core/balancing (whatever you call it) of the game, and I think 7.35D is the most balanced patch ever.
@@gideonlim9341 They are the core of the game, but like I said in the video they just throw that stuff in to change everything and then never fine tune it.
The core of the game is the strategy and the pro scene. They need to take care of this and foster this. Instead they abandon the pro scene and throw stuff into the strategy that completely changes the dynamic of the game without thinking about or fine tuning the ways in which it impacts the core gameplay.
When I say I don’t want big changes I more mean I don’t trust valve to effectively implement big changes. 10 years ago they used to make big changes to the economy that would drastically shift play style and metas but didn’t negatively impact the core fundamentals. Things like the map expansion really dilute the strategic importance of many elements of the game.
I agree with you, as a casual gamer who only plays when I have free time (which is when weekly grad school stuff are easy and work is kinda chill) it's hard to keep up with games that implement big changes say every 6 months. I absolutely get your LoL comparison.
You're comparing David to Goliath rn; Dota has 600,000 players average monthly, lol has 2000% times that. You may not think league is a fun game, 130m people would probably agree with you but still play it anyway
Personally, I think patch 7.35d is the most stable patch with the least amount of broken heroes. Only thing I think is very broken this patch is Windwaker. I do feel you though, it feels like Dota kinda deserves more because of the scale of the game it is, but Valve seems to be putting dota in a very low priority.
There aren’t too many super annoying heroes. I just hate this overall meta with like carry 4 positions and stuff.
I like crownfall. The way the patched the skill previews is cool. The cavern crawl is good. Keeps people from always picking the top heros.
bruv u got any idea when the unavailable arcana when be available again??cuz i m dying to get fv arcana as i started playing dota this year
No idea about that. I know they have given some people chances to get arcana's again around TI. So yeah, probably the best bet would be next TI.
Yeah, battle pass arcanas are usually not ever available again except under special circumstances, such as wraith kings arcana being in a recent treasure, but seeing as fv's arcana was rather recent I don't think something like that will happen anytime soon.
you can get free older arcanas from the candy bags in the update
Loved your video, keep it up
Thanks!
Thanks for your honesty. Agree with everything you said
It is so great, that they put in effort into story backgrounds etc.
They should have gotten way more revenue in player influx from Netflix but lost it to Smurfs driving ppl away.
They should have banned that much sooner.
The Pro Scene is not that important for day to day Games.
You have to invest into the general community to educate them and give them immersion.
If Valve didn't care, they wouldn't put money and effort into a whole storyline to flesh out these two characters, while also working on an update at the same time. If they didn't care, they would change up the game a little bit, slap "Patch 7.36" on it, and say "Here is your patch, stop bothering us". If they didn't care, they would have kept the battle pass going each year, which would have been an easier way to pump out distracting meaningless content to keep the fans sort of happy, not even to mention how those battle passes were fueled more by rng and money than playtime. But no, they decided to stop doing battle passes so that they can (in their own words) focus more on gameplay, and whether or not you feel that that has been true, them freeing up time allows them to do things like Crownfall. And I believe them spending time on projects like Crownfall doesn't show how much they don't care, it shows how much they do care. Ultimately they don't have to do any of this, and could get along by simply providing patches at the same pace they have been for the past months, but this is a Valve game, and if you know anything about Valve, they put effort into the lore of their games, they never, ever, focus on gameplay alone. People just need to grow up and stop bitching and acting entitled about things, when things could be handled so, so much worse.
You will get your patch. Believe me, I want it to be here too, but in the meantime just be grateful about the effort Valve puts into this 11 year old game. Valve isn't perfect, but they are doing a darn fine job for what it's worth.
(When I refer to "you" I mean "you" as in the reader, not Docwel)
Edit: Sorry guys, I realize I kinda ranted here, but I just can't agree with the shit-talking I have seen people give Valve in the past couple of hours. I do think that people get a little entitled and worked up about pointless things like video games (myself included in the latter), but I just don't believe that Valve truly deserves the criticism they are receiving. When the gameplay patch does come out we will all see how much effort has been distributed between gameplay and lore development, and I am placing my bets that Valve will not be lacking in the gameplay department. I think people just need to hold their judgement until we see what happens.
Believe me, I think the people who made the content care about the content, but that’s a little bit different. I think it’s kinda like a side project little fun thing they can do to express their creativity using the Dota lore that they think is cool.
And don’t get me wrong, that would be fine, but when they neglect so much that’s core to the game then it really just feels like they are using Dota to do this fun little side thing that hopefully gets you to spend money for skins.
It’s not really about this update not having a patch in particular, it’s that this is just another instance of valve showing they are disconnected from what matters to the people who play the game and that they don’t understand why this game is good and there are still so many people playing it.
It is my hope that eventually someone else just copies all the mechanics from Dota and takes all the player base with them.
@@Docwell Yeh it just seems like a very thoughtless decision, I can't imagine no one at Valve foresaw the player reaction, they've been hyping up a gameplay patch for a year. Like Crownfall would have been a slam dunk if it had just waited to drop with Ringmaster, no idea what the thought process is here.
@@Docwell
I was going to post this spiel, then I realized how pointless argueing with someone on the internet is and thought better of it. Didn't want to delete my hard work though so it's still here. Overall, I just think that Valve definitely has communication issues with its playerbase, I believe that it is not justified, but reasonable considering this playerbases concentrated hate that gets sent their way. I hope that people begin to find a better mindset, especially considering we are dealing with the gameplay patches of a video game, which lets be real, in the grand calculus of the universe, means not much. Take care.
I do see your point, but I also feel that people are disconnected from Valve's views. They won't, and clearly don't care that the vast majority of the player base only cares about gameplay, and will do what they always do, create lore and gameplay at the same time. I feel it is unreasonable for anyone to expect Valve to change. Valve will just keep on Valveing and there is nothing that the complaining of the fans that don't care about the lore is going to change. And also, you said it is like a side project for the devs, but clearly its not really. Lore and gameplay go hand in hand with Valve, this is more than that to them. And of course it is a play to get you to spend money, they need to make money from Dota somehow (notice how I say "from Dota", so that someone cannot use the argument "Valve has enough money already". Valve needs to make decent money from Dota itself to feel it is worth putting this much work into it at all, otherwise it will just be deminishing returns). Valve after all is a company, and as a deleted song from the Lorax once said;
"A Company is like an animal, trying to survive,"
"It must keep biggering, just to keep itself alive"
And also you are naive to think that anyone, ever, will be able to create a game with the same mechanics as Dota, let alone have the resources to do so. No one will ever be able to capture the essence of Dota without a cease and desist letter from Valve due to blatant similarity. The best you can hope for is a new game that brings something new to the table that leaves Dota obsolete. Of course, the chances of that happening are close to nil.
If they did care the Battlepass Quality would have not declined massively after 2019. If they did care they would be more open in Communicating what their Vision is and how its implemented.
Cry like a gay you are!
I like the new patch, argueably better than battlepass as the pressure and idea of investment is mot as present as in the battlepass setting. Ofc getting a new hero would be nice, but I feel like we should appreciate the free stuff and chill with the lore a bit. I think its a decent idea
Question do we know what happened to icefrog? Cuz without him we wouldn’t have dota 2 and heroes of newerth. I wonder he’s burned out
Supposedly he left Dota awhile ago but then came back a year or so ago but I’m not really sure the accuracy of that.
i also expected a new patch
valve has everything planned out its just a bit slow in my opinion. would love ringmaster today but i think he comes with the gameplay patch so yeah just wait more xD
Where patch?
Idk if they don't care but it doesn't seem to me they have a vision for what the game is supposed to be
I think valve should focus more on quality of the core gameplay than all this bonus content. Get new players in, keep improving the gameplay, build the competitive scene. Dota is the best game and should be treated as such.
give us Aghs Lab, is that hard volvo?
Yeah as far as extra content not related to the main game that’s the best of them all and people would have loved that.
I just hate that it took them so long and they still just didnt release the entire acts and all contents of the event, even the arcana is lacking. the arcana models carries the entire thing. for an arcana it feels weak. theres not much effort, no special walking animation the abilities are nearly identical but with just a color change. and they didnt even bother to add a new sound effect for the abilities. they only treat arcanas with love if they are gated in the battle pass levels. its so stupid.
The worst part is that Valve diminished earlier patches' content on the excuse that they were preparing for Crownfall, and this is all we got
Very true, they were the reason this was hyped up and then it turned out to be basically nothing
@@Docwell Idk how you guys can judge that when like 3 of the chapters are just locked? It is not even fully out yet? And the arcanas are pretty good
@@ghettoham1223 The others chapters will still be just skins and maybe mini games
@@Jucarlien maybe judge after we unlock this stuff. Right now no one knows what is coming.
The content of future patches can’t be counted for this patch just because they made a little symbol that says “chapter 2”.
Chances are they will release a new hero this year within the timeframe of those chapters. If they don’t well…that’s even worse.
Bro every time I go to smite in a few weeks I find a brand new hero (God). Every single time!! I've lost count! In addition to everything else they keep introducing to the game!!
Agreed with everything you said 💯. They don't care and they are disconnected from us.
The last video didn't age well 😂 Just kidding, great vids 😁
Better to talk about crownfall than talk about what crownfall isn't.
Is crownfall free? Or need to pay ?
the caverncrawl-like minigame is free
@@maunabesanika what are the reward that you can get?
@@Vandalieu17 cant give too much detail since i didnt open the game myself, but from what i saw on youtube/other media, you can get sets, immortal, discount for the treasure/arcana/item of this event. Also you can get free arcana from the candy sack but the chance are very low i guess
I agree with you but Gaben is always correct.
I believe they stopped caring after they referred to us as "Little Timmy holding out his gruel bowl asking where are my arcanas" That was bull, and a really bad sign, they were reading community feedback and were poking fun at it, not even just ignoring but poking fun at it. After that I'll never spend another cent on the game.
Where are your arcanas?
I think they are just listening too much to Reddit in many cases. Sure, people like the Arcana’s, but this isn’t Genshin Impact. No one is playing this game for pretty skins.
@@Docwell Damn straight. We play it to wreck the opponents, then spam GG UNINSTALL 15 times, then lose.
Exactly
@@Docwell actually, i came to a point that i am just dressing up my heroes xD
Maybe its just me being a not used to your non hero guide videos, but i feel like this video is just really messy and it felt like the video is too long for what you are trying to express. I wouldnt mind a video where you rant about dota, but watching this it felt like you are just complaining about changes happening and also not enough changes happening, I think it would be pretty helpful if you can also give some ideas on how to make the problems better (like the luna talents i think its a pretty good part of the video, and if you expanded on it, it would be better). For example at the end of the video you said that you didnt mind cosmetics, but you started the video with complaining about crownfall which makes it a little confusing on why you are making this video. If anything i feel like you dont like crownfall because valve communicated beforehand and actually hyped it up, which gives valve the impression to just stick to their tradition of being silent and just release stuff when theyre actually done. Anyways im just yapping, but i hope you can make these rant videos a little more structured, because this one feels a little messy and too long for its content.
If you’re newer to the game and don’t have context for valves other bad decisions then I get how it might be confusing but then the video would be an hour long or more if I had to explain everything in detail.
The point was rather straight forward that this patch is very lazy. It’s just some cosmetics and a cavern crawl with a little bit of lore. Meanwhile they just completely ignore the reason most people play this game.
Play my custom game, you deserve to have some fun. I proved that making an "event", which valve did earlier, is easier than it might seem.
i am 100% sure no one asked for skyrath mage arcana
Why is Vavle even attempting to do something with lore for DOTA when they clearly can't get capable enough writers on board to really cultivate their IP into something they can use for like IDK a media franchise, for example? They should've just given it up wholesale other than to make these shitty little attempts at hinting how there's some story behind the game. They could've just focused on the gameplay point-blank and ignored everything else.
Really not sure what's going on. I mean lore is fine, and there are definitely people that care about that, but of the 800k people that play this game I'd be shocked if even 10% care about lore or story at all. That's not why people play this game.
Valve was cooking all along. It takes time to make great things. The community is just entitled manchildren and lack patience. We just had a huge map overhaul with new frontiers and the players are rottenly spoiled.
And one of the reasons I don't spend more money on DOTA 2
the update was ass aswel
bro its better than blizzard, there are video game companies out there that let their customer base down way more
Please explain a bit more
Yeah lol, Valve more just really don't much with the games. Blizzard like actively ruins their games 😂
jus sayin after not playin dota as my main game for 10_+ yrs and then startin to play it more than others, valve in comparison is a good company lol.
the fact that you even have AI statistics and such is something that blizz , 11+ billino dollar company doestn do. valve only has made 1 billino dollars from dota.. and they have all these nice things they added over 10 yrs .
@@Docwell they've done plenty of good balancing changes compared to wow again lol \i hadnt played in 10 yrs and when i came back it was way more fun with the map enlargement and other stuff like removing jungling optoin
Valve needs to sell Dota, it’s a profitable game that can be refreshed to reach a wider audience and continue its legacy. Best game of all time with stewards that are sleeping on it.
What they need to do is make a subsidiary company that runs the game and the pro scene.
valve doesn't listen to taking heads valve looks at stats, if more players okay during these events then that's what they prioritize, i actually like this update, been enjoying this meta as well this the most iv played in 3 years
If anything they listen to Reddit too much.
And it’s not really about listening to people, it’s about realizing that 800k people still play the game because of the core mechanics, not any of this other stuff. It’s fine to release extras, but not when they are basically abandoning the core of the game.
I just want dumb cosmetics like glasses or meme stuff, they just found Venge wings. Valve are actually simps i guess
I can't take any of this shit seriously when the base models of the game haven't been updated since the fucking dawn of technology
Base models look fucking awful and putting story stuff and anything like this that's supposed to be immersive aside from just cool skins is kinda ridicilous to me.
Update your base models, make the game look good for new players booting it up where they don't immediately go 'this game looks hideious why would I not just play league'
And then you can start making stuff like this
You might be right but there's just no way they are going to update something for free when they could instead make you pay for it in a skin lol.
@@Docwell I literally have a couple of friends coming to Dota and they don't stay because they can't find a character that they like and because they all look bad to them
And it's true, Riot are doing visual reworks and making people feel like they are playing a game from 2024, it makes you feel like you're keeping up with the times
Meanwhile sometimes when I open up dota and I look at these models it literally makes me feel OLD... How are new players ever coming to this mess... They`ll just lose money in the long term
TL;DR - Crownfall is not what they were expecting, so Valve doesn't care for a bunch of bogus reasons, wah wah wah......
“Bogus reasons” like essentially stealing millions of dollars from the pro scene? Like I said, it’s just one data point. You clearly didn’t watch the video.
I did, you asked for comments.... you got a comment, it disagreed with you, like you asked. It's one data point that says maybe YOU are disconnected :)
@@keithnicholasYour comment had no substance but I’m still gonna farm engagement from you.
If you’re just going to deflect and provide no reason for your disagreement then you must not be very confident about it.
@@Docwell lol, my comment was a summary of your video, and you are right, there's no substance in the video, just a whine.
If you disagree then try to defend your disagreement instead of hiding through weak snark.