Clearly that is a C-One case that has been reworked to be a RC-One. Your investigateve work is top notch. Malossi should have offered a choice for the actual RC-One cases or a reworked set of C- One cases, at a slight discount of course.
I've got the simplyest and most ridiculous explanation: Malossi is an italian brand. They ACTUALLY DON'T CARE what they sell if it can be named as the official product. I've seen plenty of absurd products from them. BUT next fact is that they've changed the crankcases. The C1 uses ONLY roller bearings on both sies meanwhile RC1 kept the cylindrical roller bearings on the variator side. They've changed the seal dimensions on the vario side, too. This is what we've recognized recently in our new crankcases. I've heard plenty of more ridiculous stories about cylinder bore and cylinder base surface not existing orthogonality from Polini, new-from-box Stage6 torque drive being useless and not opening perfectly etc. They sell these very damn f>cking expensive parts and many times they're useless craps. You can't do anything about it except building a whole machine shop for yourself and build an engine for yourself....
the target customer of this market are teenagers. more often than not the brands just makes up crap about their products to scam kids with useless shiny parts
Thanks for the info. IMO it already seems like sometimes high prices are set basically because all racing stuff is expensive so we have no choice. I get that there's more R&D in race stuff though. Anyway, if they demand top notch prices, it would be nice if we get top notch parts. Stuff happens and you get a dud or something is damaged, but this seems intentional whether it's truly their new design or a way to sell off some unused stuff.
@@49ccscoot I'd say both. Your crankcase was clearly a C1 and made it to an RC1. They actually can't produce enough part to sell... this is actually the european market for scooter parts. The CNC machined crankcases are unaffordably expensive therefore they sell almost 0... We buy new stuff and then align what we need to modify before building an engine...
Bought,dealer-store warned me at e-bay,complete 139qmb with every part installed for 150$.Cost 600,original 1200.Extreme strong,but wavey crank,much violent.And long-belt,gave it proper accelration.101Octane brand sell all components.Not driven last year,200 mass-shooting,outside.But realised buying big-bore complete packets from origin china on ebay or aliexpress.Are very cheap,dozens tune parts.
I bought a complete 139QMB engine from a dealer on eBay for $150. The dealer warned me about it beforehand. It usually costs $600, and the original price was $1200. The engine is extremely powerful but has a wavy crankshaft, which makes it run violently. It also uses a long belt, which provides proper acceleration. I noticed that 101Octane sells all the necessary components. I haven't driven it in the past year due to safety concerns-there were over 200 mass shootings nearby. However, I realized that buying big-bore engine kits directly from China via eBay or AliExpress is very cheap. There are dozens of tuning parts available.
Hi I've just got the rc one case but it doesn't have the inner holes for standard bore kit but do you know what rear Caliper fits the Minarelli case thanks
Recently I purchased some Polini-parts. And I was shocked by their quality; scratched sealing-surfaces, obvious casting flaws, plenty of big burrs anywhere. I sent back the cylinder head - and the next one featured completely different surface-roughnesses...=> Polini clearly cannot guarantee consistent production-processes. Other guys told me that the "quality" of Malossi is equal to the (less expensive!) Polini-parts. Quite sad!
I don't want to make the same comment repeatedly, but I agree that we pay way too much money for what they call high end parts to find flaws regularly.
Like that you research into this it was needed to be said. And if you look at it this way what if someone comes out with a new cylinder and you have to go bigger and now you got these half moon holes in your block
I truly appreciate this video I've never had the chance to see ether cases in person or sen legitimate information on them thank you for explaining both cases so well!! Wish ya could get better footage of where the extra machining process was done, if you can get good pics send them to me and I'll let you know what we think at our machine shop. Coming from someone with all the tools an machines you could ever need, I would like the extra holes PERSONALLY because I have extra minarelli 2fast 100 cylinders so I could switch one of them on if I hurt a fl cylinder. Also I would be able to directly test the minarelli 2f 100 cylinder VS the FL cylinders on the same case. I think if malossi truly expected you to switch between cylinders they should have designed the base gasket height of the crank case a little low And used a oringed spacer(different height available) that bolts to the crank case to get the base gasket surface height correct so then you could port the spacer to match the cylinder instead of porting the case. Because once you port a case to fit a certain fl cylinder it will never fit a different brand of PERFECT. I find it BS that they don't let you know before hand and didn't lower the prices, we all know that the c one didn't sell like the rc1 so their definitely trying to save money. Wether if their modifying old c1's nto rc1's or if they just completely stopped making one case so now they only produce one style of case witch would save them money.
Thank Zach! To each their own I suppose. If you wanted all of the holes, you could just buy a C-One and cut the crankcase area. Then those of us that really like having the large sealing areas, necessary or not, could still have them. It's hard to argue that Malossi wants to save us from machining, because then if you bought the entire RC-One engine package they would be delivering cases with ports to match the cylinder. It's nice so you can make whatever you want fit, but at that rate they should have narrowed the boost port and let me cut that instead of having it larger than most of the high end kits IMO.
@49ccscoot I had always thought the c1 was just minarelli pattern I had no idea it had both! I would say that malossi is 100% making the c1 into rc1 and selling them no way around it. They should at the minimum inform you before purchasing! What I don't understand about the c1 taking flr an minarelli cylinders is that the cylinder heights are different and to switch between the 2 you would have to change the base gasket height..... Like my billet 3kj base gasket height is designed to fit minarelli cylinders and if I want to use FLR I have to use a spacer, so how does the c1 or new rc1 fit both without a spacer??
@@zacharygillette7810 I've never used a C1 so I'm not sure. Crank for the C1 is 39.2mm stroke and 85mm rod, same as the RHQ for Piaggio, so they aren't doing anything different there.
Here in Italy most of the official builds and races requires Piaggio engines (especially Piaggio Zip SP). The RC-One for Minarelli is really uncommon to find. I belive this is the reason of the "recycled" crankcases.
I thought that briefly, but it just looks so much like an afterthought. I figured they could still machine the cases for RC-Ones without a ridge and the same uniform finish that the old ones had. Could be though. It's not like I really know anything about manufacturing. Thanks for the input!
Well i think the “having to get rid of it” theory is not so right, malossi sells lots of c-one cases (at least they do here in Italy) cause lots of people have “stock style” cylinders at home and want to use them, I can find more c-one’s than rc’s on marketplace… Maybe they’ve just made a mistake, or they thought it would have been a nice and cheap thing to add.
Interesting. Basically everyone that I talk to has the RC-One so in my limited perspective it seems like nobody buys the C-Ones. As said, just my thoughts. Thanks for yours!
Tips for videos? Be yourself. Be honest. Put the effort in to make quality stuff. Or if you want to be popular then follow trends and be deceptive. That's my guess. 🤷♂
@49ccscoot on the official website of mallossi Rc piaggio 5715845 sold out and in my country a rare thing c_one. Piaggio exhausted, I can only speculate, but something is wrong
LOL Malossi is lying so hard. Piaggio ones probably dont have the holes because they have 70cc race classes for that in Italy. C-one probably had better sales
I'm not really a Dio guy. I've cut more cases than I'd like for them, but I've never even rode one. First thought is make sure you've got good compression and everything is generally in good shape. Then make sure you aren't using heavy rollers that are keeping RPM down. Next guess is make sure the cylinder and pipe setup is good for it. I'd expect most stock stuff should rev to 8000-8500, at least based on experience with others.
This isn't the first time Malossi does something like this. They repurpose stuff all the time to get rid of extra stock. At the end of the day, they're just trying to sell parts to european teenagers! Kinda inconsequential, i'm sure you could just fill in the studs with some threaded rod and jbweld to get a perfect case match. But yes, still annoying and dumb.
🤔 💬 People say they hate people who complain all the time. But if nobody complained, then nothing would ever improve. Everything would be junky because nobody ever complained about it. 😂 So Budweiser would like salute. The real American heros, who complain all the time. Without your complaining, nothing would change. Gas ⛽ prices would be $20 a gallon because nobody is complaining...
I don't like to be a complainer, but I thought this might actually be useful for some people and I figured at least someone is saying something this way. You'd probably need way more of an audience than I have to get anyone's attention that matters though.
ofc we can argue with them. we also should. who the f are the spineless shill, just laying there takingit. a asking to get scammed. this is just doing their customers dirty. filthy politician move
There's only 1 solution and that's sending it back and request a real RC-One and your distributor should do the same. Never accept this bullshit... EVER...
I hate the RC1 because it uses an Piaggio gearbox. Too expensive and in my country Suriname its all Yamaha. We hate Piaggio!. The RC1 should have thei own yamaha version( yamaha gear)!!!
I think you're right, it's a c-one engine block that has been milled into an r-cone
This is important information. Im glad you brought it up.
Clearly that is a C-One case that has been reworked to be a RC-One. Your investigateve work is top notch. Malossi should have offered a choice for the actual RC-One cases or a reworked set of C- One cases, at a slight discount of course.
This is a very honest review. And yes, I agree with you: The are machining old stock. And lie to their customers.
Complain can’t hurt. Thanks for the headsup!
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I'd like to see an official response from malossi to this video. I feel and think same as you. I don't really like that little material on that wall.
If I suddenly disappear, then there was an official response. 😆
I've got the simplyest and most ridiculous explanation: Malossi is an italian brand. They ACTUALLY DON'T CARE what they sell if it can be named as the official product. I've seen plenty of absurd products from them.
BUT next fact is that they've changed the crankcases. The C1 uses ONLY roller bearings on both sies meanwhile RC1 kept the cylindrical roller bearings on the variator side. They've changed the seal dimensions on the vario side, too. This is what we've recognized recently in our new crankcases.
I've heard plenty of more ridiculous stories about cylinder bore and cylinder base surface not existing orthogonality from Polini, new-from-box Stage6 torque drive being useless and not opening perfectly etc.
They sell these very damn f>cking expensive parts and many times they're useless craps. You can't do anything about it except building a whole machine shop for yourself and build an engine for yourself....
the target customer of this market are teenagers. more often than not the brands just makes up crap about their products to scam kids with useless shiny parts
Thanks for the info. IMO it already seems like sometimes high prices are set basically because all racing stuff is expensive so we have no choice. I get that there's more R&D in race stuff though. Anyway, if they demand top notch prices, it would be nice if we get top notch parts. Stuff happens and you get a dud or something is damaged, but this seems intentional whether it's truly their new design or a way to sell off some unused stuff.
@@49ccscoot I'd say both. Your crankcase was clearly a C1 and made it to an RC1. They actually can't produce enough part to sell... this is actually the european market for scooter parts. The CNC machined crankcases are unaffordably expensive therefore they sell almost 0...
We buy new stuff and then align what we need to modify before building an engine...
Just bought last november, hope I get the RCone case. still waiting
Good luck!
Bought,dealer-store warned me at e-bay,complete 139qmb with every part installed for 150$.Cost 600,original 1200.Extreme strong,but wavey crank,much violent.And long-belt,gave it proper accelration.101Octane brand sell all components.Not driven last year,200 mass-shooting,outside.But realised buying big-bore complete packets from origin china on ebay or aliexpress.Are very cheap,dozens tune parts.
I bought a complete 139QMB engine from a dealer on eBay for $150. The dealer warned me about it beforehand. It usually costs $600, and the original price was $1200. The engine is extremely powerful but has a wavy crankshaft, which makes it run violently. It also uses a long belt, which provides proper acceleration.
I noticed that 101Octane sells all the necessary components. I haven't driven it in the past year due to safety concerns-there were over 200 mass shootings nearby. However, I realized that buying big-bore engine kits directly from China via eBay or AliExpress is very cheap. There are dozens of tuning parts available.
It would be a very Italian thing to do😂
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Hi I've just got the rc one case but it doesn't have the inner holes for standard bore kit but do you know what rear Caliper fits the Minarelli case thanks
I use the Aerox/Nitro caliper from ScooterTuning :
www.scootertuning.ca/en/brakes/34051-rear-brake-caliper-red-aerox-nitro-4051272011160.html
@49ccscoot thank you I will get one soon
Recently I purchased some Polini-parts. And I was shocked by their quality; scratched sealing-surfaces, obvious casting flaws, plenty of big burrs anywhere. I sent back the cylinder head - and the next one featured completely different surface-roughnesses...=> Polini clearly cannot guarantee consistent production-processes.
Other guys told me that the "quality" of Malossi is equal to the (less expensive!) Polini-parts. Quite sad!
I don't want to make the same comment repeatedly, but I agree that we pay way too much money for what they call high end parts to find flaws regularly.
Like that you research into this it was needed to be said. And if you look at it this way what if someone comes out with a new cylinder and you have to go bigger and now you got these half moon holes in your block
I truly appreciate this video I've never had the chance to see ether cases in person or sen legitimate information on them thank you for explaining both cases so well!!
Wish ya could get better footage of where the extra machining process was done, if you can get good pics send them to me and I'll let you know what we think at our machine shop.
Coming from someone with all the tools an machines you could ever need, I would like the extra holes PERSONALLY because I have extra minarelli 2fast 100 cylinders so I could switch one of them on if I hurt a fl cylinder. Also I would be able to directly test the minarelli 2f 100 cylinder VS the FL cylinders on the same case. I think if malossi truly expected you to switch between cylinders they should have designed the base gasket height of the crank case a little low And used a oringed spacer(different height available) that bolts to the crank case to get the base gasket surface height correct so then you could port the spacer to match the cylinder instead of porting the case. Because once you port a case to fit a certain fl cylinder it will never fit a different brand of PERFECT.
I find it BS that they don't let you know before hand and didn't lower the prices, we all know that the c one didn't sell like the rc1 so their definitely trying to save money. Wether if their modifying old c1's nto rc1's or if they just completely stopped making one case so now they only produce one style of case witch would save them money.
Thank Zach! To each their own I suppose. If you wanted all of the holes, you could just buy a C-One and cut the crankcase area. Then those of us that really like having the large sealing areas, necessary or not, could still have them. It's hard to argue that Malossi wants to save us from machining, because then if you bought the entire RC-One engine package they would be delivering cases with ports to match the cylinder. It's nice so you can make whatever you want fit, but at that rate they should have narrowed the boost port and let me cut that instead of having it larger than most of the high end kits IMO.
@49ccscoot I had always thought the c1 was just minarelli pattern I had no idea it had both!
I would say that malossi is 100% making the c1 into rc1 and selling them no way around it. They should at the minimum inform you before purchasing!
What I don't understand about the c1 taking flr an minarelli cylinders is that the cylinder heights are different and to switch between the 2 you would have to change the base gasket height..... Like my billet 3kj base gasket height is designed to fit minarelli cylinders and if I want to use FLR I have to use a spacer, so how does the c1 or new rc1 fit both without a spacer??
@@zacharygillette7810 I've never used a C1 so I'm not sure. Crank for the C1 is 39.2mm stroke and 85mm rod, same as the RHQ for Piaggio, so they aren't doing anything different there.
Here in Italy most of the official builds and races requires Piaggio engines (especially Piaggio Zip SP). The RC-One for Minarelli is really uncommon to find. I belive this is the reason of the "recycled" crankcases.
Thanks for the info.
Hey, you are from Italy? I’m from Poland and can’t find here any Nice used exhaust, maybe you could help me order some yasunis from subito? Ciao 😅
thank you will steer clear of Malossi now.
Read the comments. Sounds like they aren't the only ones that people have had issues with. Generally, I'm pleased with their stuff.
maybe overstock and machined could also be less cost by platform sharing. one case multiple applications
I thought that briefly, but it just looks so much like an afterthought. I figured they could still machine the cases for RC-Ones without a ridge and the same uniform finish that the old ones had. Could be though. It's not like I really know anything about manufacturing. Thanks for the input!
Well i think the “having to get rid of it” theory is not so right, malossi sells lots of c-one cases (at least they do here in Italy) cause lots of people have “stock style” cylinders at home and want to use them, I can find more c-one’s than rc’s on marketplace… Maybe they’ve just made a mistake, or they thought it would have been a nice and cheap thing to add.
Interesting. Basically everyone that I talk to has the RC-One so in my limited perspective it seems like nobody buys the C-Ones. As said, just my thoughts. Thanks for yours!
Yeah, that's the Italian way loooool
I think I will start with some Videos with my Piaggio nrg and 180cc swap from Hexagon LXT. Any tips? 😂
Tips for videos? Be yourself. Be honest. Put the effort in to make quality stuff. Or if you want to be popular then follow trends and be deceptive. That's my guess. 🤷♂
You post I click!
Much appreciated!!
There is clearly a shortage of old stock in my country, Spain, there is no longer stock in many stores, is there any news?
Do you mean RC1/C1 or Malossi in general or all kinds of parts? I don't know, but maybe someone reading can tell you.
@49ccscoot on the official website of mallossi Rc piaggio 5715845 sold out and in my country a rare thing c_one. Piaggio exhausted, I can only speculate, but something is wrong
LOL Malossi is lying so hard. Piaggio ones probably dont have the holes because they have 70cc race classes for that in Italy. C-one probably had better sales
hi. please tell me why my honda dio af34 e engine does not spin at more than 7,500 rpm. The CDI I use is Daytona red.
BEST REGARDS.
I'm not really a Dio guy. I've cut more cases than I'd like for them, but I've never even rode one. First thought is make sure you've got good compression and everything is generally in good shape. Then make sure you aren't using heavy rollers that are keeping RPM down. Next guess is make sure the cylinder and pipe setup is good for it. I'd expect most stock stuff should rev to 8000-8500, at least based on experience with others.
@49ccscoot Thank you.
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This isn't the first time Malossi does something like this. They repurpose stuff all the time to get rid of extra stock. At the end of the day, they're just trying to sell parts to european teenagers!
Kinda inconsequential, i'm sure you could just fill in the studs with some threaded rod and jbweld to get a perfect case match. But yes, still annoying and dumb.
🤔 💬 People say they hate people who complain all the time. But if nobody complained, then nothing would ever improve. Everything would be junky because nobody ever complained about it. 😂
So Budweiser would like salute. The real American heros, who complain all the time. Without your complaining, nothing would change. Gas ⛽ prices would be $20 a gallon because nobody is complaining...
I don't like to be a complainer, but I thought this might actually be useful for some people and I figured at least someone is saying something this way. You'd probably need way more of an audience than I have to get anyone's attention that matters though.
@49ccscoot Nothing wrong with complaining 👍 I actually like to complain/ rant/vent 😂
anche io uguale comprato rc one arrivato questo con prigione interni. sempre minarelli... per me non è un problema perché devo barenare corsa 47
ofc we can argue with them. we also should. who the f are the spineless shill, just laying there takingit. a asking to get scammed. this is just doing their customers dirty. filthy politician move
There's only 1 solution and that's sending it back and request a real RC-One and your distributor should do the same. Never accept this bullshit... EVER...
Man, that really is a bit sketchy
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Крым тоже в деле 🎉
Just can’t trust em unfortunately
Bullshit
I hate the RC1 because it uses an Piaggio gearbox. Too expensive and in my country Suriname its all Yamaha. We hate Piaggio!. The RC1 should have thei own yamaha version( yamaha gear)!!!
I like the Piaggio gearbox because it's better than what I'm used to with clones, but I have no experience with something like an Aerox.