Top 10 Reasons I'm Not Roman Catholic - Jay Dyer
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2024
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ALL THE LINKS ARE IN THE PINNED TOP COMMENT FROM ME. In this video we continue the series from yesterday's video on why I am not Protestant. Here I cover ten top reasons I am not Roman Catholic. I focus on Vatican I, the papacy, doctrinal development, Uniates, Filioque, absolute divine simplicity, the Vatican Bank and many, many more glaring innovations of the last millennium that are central features of papalism. Papalism ends up in sola Papam - the entire religion ends up revealing around the pope and papal apologists are all papal lawyers.
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5 Simple Arguments Against the Papacy: jaysanalysis.com/2019/07/21/5-simple-arguments-against-the-papacy/
Dr Taylor Marshall refuted: jaysanalysis.com/2019/10/29/dr-taylor-marshall-refuted-inherited-guilt-contradictions-jay-dyer/
Roman Catholicism Proves Orthodoxy: jaysanalysis.com/2019/12/23/roman-catholicism-both-traditional-novus-ordo-proves-eastern-orthodoxy/
Eastern Catholicism Refutes Rome: ua-cam.com/video/LrSU0afdDrs/v-deo.html
Bizarre "saints" and Practices and Jesuits: ua-cam.com/video/z1R7bdhUXig/v-deo.html
Met. Seraphim of Piraeus to Francis: orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/epistle-to-pope-francis.pdf
Wemhoff book: ua-cam.com/video/ELDfgoRmYl8/v-deo.html
Angelo Giuseppe Roncalli was a diplomatic rep. of the Holy See to Bulgaria, Athens and Turkey and the east grew on him. This inclined him to congregate Vat. II. when he became John XIII. Very interesting!
NOT.
Still the biggest Charity institution that has and ever will have existed, now considering God IS Charity, quite a hint, isn't it?
One simple thing destroys Orthodoxy: Ecclesiology. Which national race is the one True Church? Egyptian, Greek, Russian, Ukranian, Syriac? What a mess...
Do you really have confidence in convincing people that the main representative of Christianity, the Pope and the Catholic Church, is but a decoy for a one true, secret and hermetic national church? Sounds a bit calvinistic.
The Holy See of Saint Peter, who represents the entire catholic church, has conquered the world, against 4 other sees that tried to compete and just ended up breaking themselves apart.
Please, gather with Christ, don't scatter among pharisaic nationalisms...
Timestamps
00:00 Intro
03:50 Denzinger, Trent, Vatican II
06:23 Reason 1 - Papal Infallibility (Central Dogma)
08:32 Top 5 Reasons Proving Dogmatic Changes
09:57 Temporal Dominion
11:37 Forgery Texts
13:15 Reason 2 - Epistemology (Historical Errancy, Interpretation)
17:10 Reason 3 - Autocracy (Abrogation of Synodal Ecclesiology)
19:04 Ratzinger & Vatican I
21:30 Reason 4 - Vatican II Contradictions (Ecumenism, Martyrdom)
23:50 Uniates
27:09 Confessional States & Secularism
28:53 Religious Pluralism
31:08 Reason 5 - Histrionics (Apparitions, Stigmata, Mortification)
34:16 Reason 6 - Vatican Bank (Laundering, Usury)
35:35 Reason 7 - Merit Debts (Anselm, Purgatory, Inherited Guilt)
37:55 Reason 8 - Liturgical Blasphemies (Clowns, Puppets)
39:21 Assisi & Pachamama
39:50 Reason 9 - Filioque (Creed Alteration)
42:11 Monarchia, Divine Simplicity, Created Grace, Beatific Vision
43:43 Thomism & Christology
44:32 Reason 10 - Globalism (Political Manipulation)
46:42 Augustine & Aquinas
47:21 Papal Lawyerism
48:04 Outro / Book Recommendations
@Gavin Lane Just doing what I can, brother.
God Bless
Dostoyevsky was right about everything.
Jay! You have some video some of his book coming soon?
I'm struggling with Brothers Karamazov. I keep losing track of who's who. Russian names man.
@Unfree Radical with those Russian books you gotta look up the nicknames they use for the more formal names (Mitya for Dmitri) Once you get those down it’s a breeze
@@Motion4000 thanks friend, I'll Google more.
@@RealDukeOfEarl Dude, yeah, I thought I was the only one who struggled with Russian lit cause of that.
I don't get how atheists can just dismiss the massive amount of biblical history. Its massive and rich!
ChessArmyCommander They’ve never studied it.
@@TheRealRealOK It pisses me off because they act like they know everything about the bible. Even bragging "I'm an atheist because I know the bible and how it came be"! Or, "the reason I am an atheist is because I studied the bible".
ChessArmyCommander Yeah, that’s the worst. They tend to think of the Bible like it’s a Quran.
Because they're gay.
@@ChessArmyCommanderDo you know Francesca Stavrakapoulou.
Could do any of these bro?
• Top 10 Reasons I'm not an Atheist
• Top 10 Reasons I don't believe in Darwinism
• Top 10 Reasons I don't believe in Oriental Orthodox
• Top 10 Reasons I don't believe in Islam
• Top 10 Reasons I am an Eastern Orthodox
It'll be a great series brother
Orthodox Christian Sermons & Music Yes to all of these suggestions.
@@TheRealRealOK yes to the Darwin one.
@Gavin Lane Top 10 reasons i'm not a genderqueen satano-postmodernist?
@@ayupwhatsthis8339 Do you actually believe that bullshit
@@nohmehari947 he means he wants to see the Darwin video ya doink.
I've been studying for the past year seeking an answer to where in Christianity I belong. It didn't take me long to get over my protestant upbringing, but it has been an entirely different matter trying to discern between Catholicism and Orthodoxy. For a while, I felt that I was leaning Catholic, but for the past month or two, I've been far more convinced of the Orthodox's stance. I hope that I can finally make a clear and confident decision one day with no second-guesses.
Traditional Anglicanism then
@@cunctasiudaeinon4957 So is Catholicism and orthodoxy
Yeah man I’m in the same exact place. I have no idea lol
@@Gruenders Yeah man, it's so hard. I mean, it might just be that Christ really really wants us to "submit" to a pope calling for homosexual civil unions, and that we must believe that this is the apostolic faith. I mean, muh keyz, right?
@@cjgumbert aight man
I love these Top 10 Why I’m Not Fake and Ghey videos.
hahaha
Funny. Haha.
Hey, Jay! I appreciate your video! Last weekend, I left Sedevacantist Roman Catholicism. I became a catechumen last November but did not formally enter the Church yet. Like you, I couldn't reconcile the Traditional Catholic arguments. One right after the other, especially the Cassiciacum Thesis argument is complete doublethink in conflict with other "Catholic" dogma. When I would talk about it with other Sedes, they told me I'm just a catechumen who can't think for himself and focus on other things like learning catechism, etc., despite their system being largely based on Scholasticism, lol. I thought I was going crazy, but one day, I cried out to God and said, "Where is the Church you established? Does it even exist?" The very next day God answered my prayer when He led me to discover _Finding the Church that Jesus Built_ by Deacon Ezra Ham of St. Elijah in OKC on UA-cam which was an awesome seminar. I never ever heard the things about Church history communicated in that seminar! Praise God! I am now making plans to convert to Orthodoxy. Thank you for your channel and all you do to promote the truth of the Faith Jesus gave us! Subbed!
What is the Cassiciacum Thesis argument?
Did you see Trent Horns video debunking this video?
As someone who was raised Catholic but is Ortho-curious, I found this concise and interesting. In light of the recent amazonian synod and the lunacy surrounding it, I'm trying to come to terms with a topic you address here. My thought is, can we deny the legitimacy of the church simply because its ordained leaders are behaving in ways that are anywhere from goofy to outright heretical? I know there is the concept of infallibility but at the end of the day we are dealing with human beings who may have been misled or deceived to behave in a fallible way. Basically, I feel like I would not be honest with myself if I were to abandon the church just because I don't like the way the Pope is acting. This is just something I've been mulling around in my head for a while and this video is making me reexamine again.
Read Abbe Guettee's "The Papacy." Also check out all the testimonies from ex-Romanists on JourneytoOrthodoxy.com
Last weekend I met a 30-year Cappucin monk who is converting to Orthodoxy. He has no doubts as to the True Church, and it is the Holy Catholic Orthodox Church.
You should also read over the documents of Vatican I and Lumen Gentium 25 from Vatican II to know what the RCC actually teaches about what you have to believe as a Roman Catholic. If you disagree with these things, you are either anathematized or committing grave sin, meaning you are not going to be saved according to RC "infallible" teaching.
Well, here's hoping you have come to terms with what you already know, deep down in your heart. It's not just about the Pope, but everything that stemmed from and because of it, that should make you think about it 🤭☦
Pope Francis is an Apostate & Heretic. To follow such a leadership who encourages Pagan worship and other heretical beliefs is sinful and wrong. Please reconsider your commitment 🙏🙏🙏
Roman Catholic here...same boat. Taking my wife and kids to our local Russian Orthodox Church this next Sunday just to get familiar.
We have an FSSP but it's a bit of a drive. We have a very small SSPX close by that I have attended but I'm feeling like this whole tradcat/radcat thing is just hopium and cope and eventually the Vatican will stomp it all out for good.
My son just got his Confirmation. My daughter still has 3 years of CCD classes before hers....the only Catholic Church in the area with a CCD school is a Novus Ordo one which we get stuck going to.
I've been so torn about leaving or not leaving but our NO circus mass (full of looney toon priests, Star Wars homilies, one altar server guy with a Fr33m@$on ring and 🌈 solidarity bracelet, female altar servers and female eucharistic ministers, lifesize cardboard cutout of Bergoglio up at the altar, mega cucked weak sauce homilies, etc) just added in a hippy guy with a GUITAR for music during mass now.....🙄🤮 (where am I? Might as well be down the road at the Baptist free for all Jamboree)
I'm done. I'm just so over this clown world BS anymore. I have to deal with it every day of my life in the world but I refuse to deal with the same crap inside the supposed House of God. No way.
Will you do a video on Oriental Orthodoxy ?
Thanks for this man, I was pretty close to going catholic and this video is bringing a lot of things into light and making me reconsider and before getting any of these new books, I should probably read the Bible again
Begome Orthodox!
Watch the Tren Horn video in his Counsel of Trent youtube channel refuting this bunch of lies and misunderstandings.
@@figuenew Trent is wrong.
@@figuenewKay did an even bigger rebuttal. Trent is not as consistent as you think
@@OrthodoxJoker Who's Kay? I'd be keen to watch
Thank you, Jay, please more of these... those shorter videos not going too much into details, makes it way easier for "beginners" to understand. Would be awesome if you would do more of these. God bless you.
Jay thanks for existing! you're definitely a gem here on you tube.
Wow, excellent Jay. Folks like us had to spend years wading through these documents and practices and suffering from severe cognitive dissonance before finally leaving for Orthodoxy.
Improper Christology leads to all sorts of wrong views in theology. You do a great service
Since I came from the trad milieu and share your cerebral inclinations I know you know what you're talking about. I've read and come to many of the same conclusions over the years.
One of the biggest reasons you highlight against Rome is its loss of its liturgical sensibilities. I would argue that even the average trad chapel lives in a severely truncated sad caricature of what the Latin liturgical tradition used to be.
Anyone reading my comment ought to read Geoffrey Hull's "The Banished Heart" for a great glimpse of what Rome has done to its liturgy, or even Father Cekada's "Work of Human Hands".
God bless you Jay.
Next: top 10 reasons I’m not oriental orthodox
This was - again - absolutely brilliant! I might as well quit university and just park here for a year more!!! 😆
Well Done. Too bad I didn’t come across this video years ago. Would have become an Orthodox Catechumen earlier. Thanks much and God bless.
Bro top 10 videos aren't supposed to be an hour long!
Thank you, Jay!
Jay, you should do a video where you talk about the terms as they are commonly understood and how you see them - in like street language. Maybe some Cliff notes or a glossary because sometimes there is so much jargon to come to grips with.
Great video Jay! Do you consider making more videos on philosophy?
Thank you for this good video! God bless you! Please continue Orthodox brother!
Even as a Roman Catholic, I have to admit this video was very well-constructed and educational.
Keep these up
Would love one of these on Yoga. There's a lot of theories of Jesus' lost years that he traveled to India/Tibet and that there are a lot of similarities with the Yogic teachings and Christianity. Also a "Why I am Orthodox", like others have mentioned (I'm thinking of joining). Just found your channel and it looks incredible! The true church + based and redpilled content on the satanic world we live in? Amazing.
Yoga is pure Hinduism and not exercise like many naive Westerners are led to believe. Every yoga pose is a salute to a Hindu god. Many Orthodox church elders have written about it including St Paisios
If Jesus was just a yogi who practiced Hinduism and died for denying Judaism (not as the literal son of God, 2nd person of the trinity) then Christianity isn't true. The claim Jesus just taught Hindu teachings (perhaps repackaged for a Jewish audience) undermines the fundamental teaching of the Christian faith.
One guy didn't like my notes on (top 10 reasons I'm not a protestant) because of stains on the paper! It seems he is really gonna hate this one being a trad Catholic! Bring it on Jay man!!!
Now I'm taking notes on this one! This one is going to take some work, I don't have a RC background. So I am going cut my teeth on this here video and read up some more!
Why I am not a cat-lick. Thanks Jay.
You rule ! For an american to go this deep puts all of us in shame
Top them all Jay, and do a Top 11.
Jay, I'd love to see you debate David Bentley Hart on e.g. Universalism, or anything really. Have you thought about inviting him on?
I did not expect to see you here
Very intriguing video. I'm Protestant but I've been heavily investigating RC and Orthodox. And I've gotta say, Orthodox seems like a more feasible jump from Protestantism compared to going from Protestantism to RC
I get Council of Trent, Vatican 1 and Vatican 2 The rest i have to go thru the links. Good top 10 reasons. I barely understand it, the Dogma is extensive for me to follow and I appreciate you doing the research. Thanks Jay. It really does help.
You sould debate Trent horn!
Thought provoking, Jay. Thanks. Much luck in 2020! Cheers!
I would further emphasize the Roman changes to the Sacraments including: Eucharist under one species (the "blood is in the flesh" argument is pharasaism), not consecrating hosts at the liturgy, reversing the order of the sacraments of chrismation and communion; all these are huge problems that predate Vatican II.
Jay thank for this video I really appreciate it
Wow I want the early church fathers set... anyone have 600 bucks to hook me up with that sweet sweet set?
Btw great book recommendations!
Jay, though I have espoused the Old Calendarist position in the past, the fathers who really helped me see the error in the way they resist the modern heresies is St. Optatus of Milevis and St. Augustine. They really nailed out the character of schism in writing against the Donatists. Both will argue, that the Church of Christ isn’t relegated to a tiny couple of cities in a single nation of the world. Moreover, St. Augustine makes the point it is SCHISMATIC to break the communion of those bishops who innocently have no idea what the controversy in question is. We don’t approach other bishops in a controversy assuming they’re wrong. We assume they are right until they manifest that they are in error, and we ALLOW for a third category between Orthodoxy and heresy...error! Imagine that!
Moreover, the 15th canon of the AB synod of 861 that everyone loves so much is a canon where you are allowed to withdraw your bishops name from the liturgy if he is a public heretic. It’s a way of safeguarding from spiritual communion with his heresy, which is good.
But notice what it is NOT, it is NOT setting up a second rival altar! It is NOT setting up a second episcopal see. It is a provision against contagion. Hypothetically I suppose many bishops in resistance could band together, but they need to make clear they are a provisional structure pending the repentance of a local Church- like the Catacomb Church or ROCOR.
Anyway, all your stuff is great, love it. Maybe do something on the zealots and Old Calendarists. Just remember they’re not all created equal. Some are psychopathic, some just are trying to be what ROCOR was in the 80’s. Rough times.
Philaret Of New York I do not attend an old calendarist church
Jay Dyer I’m coming out of it myself.
@@paulpeter2869 Awaiting for more views on this as well!
These are pretty good despite the top 10 format.
You should order St Symeon's Hymns of Divine Eros and then do an unboxing and reaction video. I was shocked by Symeon the New Theologian.
Why were you shocked?
Trent Horn ;)
How was I not already subscribed to you bro! Thanks for your videos!
I would wonder how the “liturgical reforms” of Pius X presaged, in any meaningful way, the greater reforms that began with the Holy Week Bugnini reforms of Pius XII and continued to its ultimate manifestation of Novus Ordo. Pius X changed feast days only because of the huge amount that had begun to impede on sundays. He began a different way to institute chant on a more local level, but this could be said to be a more reactionary move to bring the deepest liturgical chant to a more wide use, thus enriching the liturgy by the opposite means of the reforms that came later. This was really an expansion of what he did as bishop of Mantua. I assume you mean that the very concept of introducing reform was started under him and taken to be an example of why the later reformers could do what they did?
Larry Cera look up the liturgical movement. It set the precedent for “going back to the sources.” It was a major factor in ecumenism and it was popular far before Vatican 2. Benedict XV also liked the Leaugue of Nations. The idea that liberalism just suddenly took over is absurd en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liturgical_Movement
I always used to argue that Vat I's dogmatizing the papacy to demi-god status opened a pandoras box that directly led Rome down a path of papally sanctioned tinkering and destruction of what was left of the Latin Rite Patrimony.
Pius X changed the 1500+ year old psalter arrangement in the Roman Breviary and Pius XII messed around with Holy Week, opened the door to modern Historical-Critical Bible scholarship and overturned "Lex Orandi,Lex Credendi" in Mediator Dei. He also opened the door to the absurdity of "Theistic Evolution" in Humani generis as well.
Papal innovation just became emboldened after Vat I, and trads looking to men like Pius X and Pius XII as bastions of Tradition are kidding themselves or simply ignorant of what the tradition was prior to their meddling so they don't know better.
What's absurd is
J. D. Yes agreed, and it can be seen by the great variety of opinions regarding Pius XII by trad and sede groups today. Ultimately this can be returned ad infinitum, as Pius V standardized unilaterally as well, and this points to the collection of power in the Roman see that looks at the whole world as a single diocese with the Pope as the bishop, which is truly the source of the problems.. As for Pius XII, I agree although two points must be kept front and center regarding your comments: the reforms and shenanigans took place after he took a turn for the worse in health (which comprised much of the last ten years of his pontificate), and the lack of condemnation of theistic evolution wasn’t his choice. He wanted to condemn evolution in Toto, but was dissuaded by advisers because of the memory of Galileo. The vatican feared a repeat of the Galileo situation in the event of some “missing link” fossil evidence was found, which was expected more so than not at the time. Much of the progress that many thought would come on this subject was retarded during the two great wars, and there was still fear that more would be found once large scale endeavors were picked up again.
I agree on the absolutely abominable situation of Vatican I. Reading the great dissenters like Hefele, Kendrick of Saint Louis, Henri Maret, et alia., the same arguments used today by orthodox were used against infallibility by some of the most learned bishops of the council.
I just see the innovations as being no different than Vatican I itself, in that they are both the result of the super bishop charism that necessitated a justifying ideology that would lead to errors regardless of who was at the helm. This is why the bulls by John XII coming after Nicholas III are so interesting. John XII revoked Nicholas’ bull Exiit, which stated that the mendicant Fransiscans lived the true gospel life passed from Christ to Peter. John XII realized this implicitly condemns the rich and luxurious lifestyle of the Vatican and abrogated it. He then produced Extravagantes and then Quia Quorundum in response to the Fransiscans who claimed the original bull was irreformable and thus logically infallible. He stated that to claim a pope couldn’t be corrected or reversed by a successor is “pernicious audacity”. He declared that the Father of Lies led his opponents to claim a pope can’t be revoked on faith and morals. Here is a pope speaking with his authority to the whole church from his official capacity and saying popes can be disregarded even on faith and morals by a successor, because they can make mistakes. This flies in the face of everything Papal dogma would become, and implicitly condemns Satis Cognitum. I haven’t come across any work on this beyond Tierny, but his work is unobtainable in print and he has passed.
Jay Dyer yes agreed, although Pius X condemned the modernists methods and tactics of claiming to go back to the sources, as did Pius XII. Nevermind, i now see what you meant, as you were referring to the movement in general (beyond Tyrell and Loisy). Far be it from me to defend any particular papist, I just wondered what you had in mind. Thanks for the response sir
J. D. Your comment got cut off sir. It is funny, once one enters the orthodox paradigm, how far from “traditional” any papist ideology truly is
I’m leaning heavily towards orthodoxy after seeing Rev Harry Pappas speaking on the Old Testament canon and lessons for the family. I’ve never seen such love for the sacred scriptures and a balanced approach to the canon. My question is I’m an Ex Jehovah’s Witness baptised at 14 as Jw, came to know the Lord Jesus Christ as my Saviour last year. Since this was not a baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost would I need to be re-baptised? How would I go about moving towards that? I don’t fully understand the teachings on Mary and while I’ve listened to a few Catholic apologists and debates but I still do not feel comfortable with these doctrines. Just wondered if you have any thoughts about the process of moving towards orthodoxy from a very anti Catholic upbringing?
You have to go to an orthodox church(Russian, Greek, Romanian) and find out what it is needed. Yes, a new baptism is needed.
@@alxdava2004 I don’t have an Orthodox Church near enough to attend regularly, I certainly view Orthodox as my brothers in Christ and plan to visit when I get an opportunity. I attend my local Anglican Church and recently got baptised and confirmed for me it allows me to explore Catholic and Orthodox Theology and be part of the local Christian community and focus on what we hold in common.
Jay how did you decide which Orthodox church to join? Their various communions don't get along. I saw that when I lived in Greece for a time.
Jay, I am a traditional catholic considering Orthodoxy. Do you have an email or anything where I can contact you?
Will love to see a debate with him and voice of reasoning. Both are amazing!
Super low tier ua-cam.com/video/7F2KKgARYUo/v-deo.html
@@JayDyer your awesome bro thanks
If symbolism is the coded language of the mystery religion, what is that Egyptian obelisk doing in the center of st Peter's square ?
@@enslavedbytruth lol
@@LadyMaria 🤣
Would love to see a debate or atleast a discussion between Jay Dyer and Trent Horn.
Already debated him
@@JayDyer Oh! I'm so sorry sir, please forgive my ignorance, I wasn't aware of it.
Blessings to Everyone !!!
You should reach out to Allan Watt and do a show with him. He mentions Orthodoxy in the link below.
I'm not familiar with Ludwig Denzinger
Because he's not a real dude
Jay Dyer He’s real to the Kurgan.
Dude that was awesome, I so hope that was intentional...lol
@@TheRealRealOK Zing. You beat me.
wAterHead102 😂
You make a great argument as to why the Catholic church has become so "clown like" in terms of reverence. Most of us Catholics are simple minded in terms of historical scripture, but I don't thinks it's a reason to abandon it. In the end and given how well read you are on Catholic history, you might be one of only a few true Catholics left who has studied the faith. At times like these there is no time to be divided, so get your Rosary beads out and joint the rest of us in praying for a miracle, we are going to need one. God Bless from Britain
Thanks brother. Good work
Awesome video man! Looking forward to an Oriental Orthodox video if you end up doing one
it’s unfortunate when people don’t know the definition of or proper gramatical use of the word “literally”
Q: @jaydyer what would you say about the Bishop of Rome confirming all Metropolitans as early as 451 (i.e. "prerogatives of the see of Rome" per Pope Leo 1 letter to Flavius, Bishop of Constantinople re Eutyches, rejected cannon 28)? I'm having a hard time figuring out the difference between primacy v supremacy of Rome in the 1st millennium, practically speaking.
Tell it, Sir Jay. I admire your seeking spirit. Hope you feel fulfilled after your search. I believe you have, if I may say.
I am not Catholic because i do not want to be lead by the pope. A man that says outrageous things like all faiths can come together, and not having a wife is a good thing. I believe we do need leaders but to see the pope as the leader takes away from God. God should be the leader and Who we show complete reverence to. That being said the pope does have my respect, he does his thing, but i feel there is undeserved Godly reverence there. In other words putting the pope in the place of God. The pope makes degrees and says things on his part, but doesnt go according to scripture.
That’s a misnomer. The Pope doesn’t replace God. 🤦🏻♂️ no one thinks or even believes that. That is like saying your bishop is God. That doesn’t make sense. The Pope is Literally the bishop of Rome. And also happens to be the top leader as well. He’s no different than an Orthodox Patriarch in a sense. Except Patriarchs are only over a region or specific orthodox denomination or jurisdiction. There is NO TEACHING anywhere in Catholic doctrine that says he’s God or replaces God. I don’t know where some people get all this nonsense from.
He hasn’t said anything heretical yet to be fair. If you think that give me proofs and examples.
Even eastern saints and fathers and councils have said all throughout church history that the Pope is needed and important so there is that.
EO needs a Pope Bcz they are too divided and don’t even have stances or answers to many many issues and topics and stances nowadays. They have issues but can’t even fix them or call a council.
Love it, where are the links you mentioned?
Richard Zamora in the top comment
@@JayDyer so funny thing, a guy visited my Orthodox church as an inquirer today and said he listen to this guy Jay Dyer and it got him looking East.
Praise God.
The citations here are really frustrating. It is hard to know the context as well as the difference between paraphrasing and direct quotations. I have a really hard time following your argument because of this, as I am too distracted by trying to figure out how well these things are cited.
Edit: Also, your argument about it just taking too long for the dogma of papal infallibility taking too long to be defined is beyond stupid. The logic does not follow at all, as I could make a similar argument about the trinity. "Oh, if the trinity was so central to Christian thought, then why don't we find the word trinity in the Bible?"
It is completely fallacious, and you need to do better if you want to convince even a slightly committed Catholic of Orthodoxy.
ok then debate him lol
@@0hhtecMusicianTheNotecianHero
What does that have to do with my response? I am a randy on UA-cam, why would I demand a debate with Jay?
@@bearistotle2820 you can always join Jay's server and join vc when he's in. he often debates whoever wants to come by. If you're up for it, I'd likely attend and listen if of lmk about it if it's this month since my schedule is pretty empty and im using this time to learn a lot about the Orthodox Church.
@@0hhtecMusicianTheNotecianHero
I'm not really up for it, to be honest. I have no experience in debates or anything like that, and am woefully under qualified to engage with Jay. I can leave comments and maybe engage there, but that's about as far as I am qualified to go, tbh.
@@bearistotle2820 ugh it'd be nice if a RC was willing to debate him other than just Nick. it'd be nice to listen to. they always like to say "oh he's wrong about xyz" but no one will debate him!
Ohps PS 1 Like the Camo jacket. Great choice!
You need way more likes bro.
17 trads be mad and schizophrenic.
You get a week off in purgatory for down boating Orthos, if you spin round three times while saying a Fatima prayer for Pope clown mass's intentions.
54K views and no comments? Very interesting analysis.
Jay have you read Tierny? His coverage of the dispute between what Nicholas III declared in the mendicant orders being truly apostolic and what John XII would reject in saying no pope can make an irreformable judgement is fascinating.
Larry Cera link ?
Jay Dyer it’s only available on archive to borrow as digital although we will convert it. It’s called The Origins of Papal Infallibility 1150-1350
archive.org/details/originsofpapalin0000tier/page/n13
The paper copies sell for 900 to a thousand online from what I’ve been able to find
Jay Dyer I’ll send you a copy if I can some how turn it into a readable digital version. I’m actually talking to the Dutch publisher trying to negotiate a reasonable price to purchase the rights to it, as they have agreed to sell in principle. I thought someone would be interested in publishing it, whether it’s Father Heers or whomever. I’ll privately print some if need be
On ‘Pachamama,’ have any of you heard what Bishop Athanasius Schneider (sp?) said about it all?
All the Kazakh clergy are Catholic traditionalists, including the Ukrainian priest.
Yes Paul, He is a true and traditional Catholic and has suffered and learnt much in his life from having to live under Communism. God bless and guide Archbishop Schneider!
As all papist he is a liar and a ideologist. Nothing more.
This video was very clear in the points it made, which is a credit to you. The blog pieces you have written are also very well written. The issue is, you sometimes don’t capture the entirety of the opposite sides evidence. For example, the piece you wrote titled “5 Simple Arguments Against the Papcy,” misrepresents the evidence for your first argument, or at the very least, hasn’t considered the fullness of the evidence. In it, you recall that Pope Innocent III as well as many other popes and theologians have condoned capital punishment. However, you haven’t pointed out that these popes and theologians make a very specific condition: “It must be remembered that power was granted by God, and to avenge crime the sword was permitted; he who carries out this vengeance is God’s minister” (Pope Innocent III). St. Augustine stated, “The same divine authority that forbids the killing of a human being establishes certain exceptions, as when God authorizes killing...when He gives an explicit commission to an individual for a limited time.” He goes on to say “Therefore, it is in no way contrary to the commandment, 'Thou shalt not kill' to wage war at God's bidding, or for the representatives of public authority to put criminals to death, according to the law, that is, the will of the most just reason.”
It is especially important to understand this. So you can see that the older representation of capital punishment only referred to punishment according to God’s law and God’s authority. We must be careful to read a breadth of writings on the subject and not pick out what we think is evidence to suit our needs
Could you explain some objections about Eastern Orthodoxy? These objections are:
1. Eastern Orthodoxy is small denomination amongst wholoe Christianity (only 6 - 12%).
2. Roman Catholicism and Protestantism success in spreading of christian faith and in missions but Orthodoxy fails.
3. Eastern Orthodoxy is present practically only in E and SE Europe. What about other continents, where Orthodoxy is nearly absent?
4. Considering the above statements and claims that baptism is necessary to salvation and that baptism is valid only in Eastern Orthodox Church, one can conclude, that nowadays practically only inhabitants of southern and south-eastern Europe can be saved? Is this not an even more fatalistic and pessimistic conclusion than Calvinist predestination?
1. There are supposedly around 250 million Orthodox Christians, making it the 2nd largest Christian group behind Roman Catholicism. Unfortunately, the argument from numbers is a big failure. If you want to argue that the most numbers must be right, then you should convert to Islam--it's way bigger than Roman Catholicism. Most people are easily fooled, which is why the argument from popularity is a logical fallacy.
2/3. Orthodoxy has been having tremendous success in many parts of the world in missions over the last 20-30 years. Before that, you must understand that Orthodoxy has been under constant attack from both Islam in the Middle East and Communism in Eastern Europe. In Russia currently the Orthodox Church is building a few churches every week. We're seeing a massive renaissance of the Orthodox faith, and it's spreading in many parts of the world, especially in North America where Western Christianity is collapsing.
4. You're bringing a Western presupposition and a Western paradigm to Orthodoxy, which is not surprising because most Western Christians know absolutely nothing about Orthodoxy and can't understand it. The Orthodox Church actually has a completely different view of salvation, heaven, hell, etc, than Western Christianity has. It has a completely different view of God. The Orthodox Church doesn't obsess over "validity" like Roman Catholics tend to do, they're not striving for a bare minimum spirituality like Roman Catholics saying "at least it's valid". They're more concerned about what's efficacious and will lead to a conversion of the heart and a healing of the nous. Moreover, the Orthodox Church does not speculate about where grace is outside of the Church, it only knows that grace is found in the Church.
Discerning between Roman Catholic & Orthodox- I see that the Assisi prayer gatherings are a sign of apostasy. But how do Orthodox Christians explain the participation of the patriarch of Constantinople and other bishops? Do they break communion with those bishops?
Can you do a video on Serbian Orthodoxy ? Greetings from Serbia.
Preservation and reverence doesn’t prove truth. A Mormon is reverent in Temple.
Maybe dr. Taylor is NOT a debater? So calling him a coward was pointless & prideful? Why dont you debate a debater like Robert Sungenis?
He's challenged basically every famous Roman Catholic apologist to a debate, and they all refuse. They also refuse to answer any of his arguments separately. They prefer to pile on ignorant protestants who don't know history, and are scared to approach the Orthodox arguments.
@@cjgumbert professional debaters see Jay Dyer as a kid who can't control himself. Disrespectful loud and arrogant. They're not scared of the arguments, they just won't waste their time with an unprofessional. Trust me I've seen it myself, when he was on the reason and theology show, he acted the same way. Look it up if you have to. And see for yourself.
@@nikolakrcic1021 I saw the reason and theology debate. Jay didn't act the best, but Ybarra had no good counter arguments and just kept repeating himself 20 times on a point that Jay addressed and made irrelevant. The fact is that there are no Roman Catholic apologists countering any of Jay's (or Ubi Petrus's) arguments, because they can't. The RC play acting of "This Orthodox guy is mean so it must be a false religion and I don't have to address their arguments" is so weak that I might as wel do the same thing andl say "RCs are so easily offended and sensitive that Roman Catholicism must be false."
@@cjgumbert you have to admit Jay wouldn't let Ybarra finish anything, barely let him talk. Ybarra is a slow detailed talker yes. But he would've answered those if Jay let him. Either way i don't know these answers off the top of my head, all i know is it makes the most sense to me that there is a visible head of the church. You know, how Orthodox used to be for the first 1,000 years. Now its missing that. Thats one of the main reasons why i will stay a Catholic. A pedigree of 266 popes back to the time of the apostles. I Can't really argue with that.
@@nikolakrcic1021 Jay did let Ybarra make his point--Ybarra just kept making the same point over and over again and Jay lost his patience. Ybarra also could make videos/articles disproving Jay's and Ubi's points. Having primacy is very far away from having universal immediate ordinary jurisdiction and infallibility as defined by Vatican I. In theory it would be really nice to solve the epistemological problem by just having one guy who will always get it right, but that's just in theory. In practice it's something entirely different. Unless you think the Orthodox have to "submit" to a pope calling for homosexual civil unions, and that these same Orthodox must believe that this is the "apostolic faith"?
Thank you for your excellent reasoning…
I am baptized and raised Filipino roman-catholic. Unfortunately, there is no Orthodox Church in my locality. There are Orthodox Churches in Manila and Davao but too far from my place. I have to take a bus ride, ship ride or even plane ride to reach those which is extremely impractical. How can I be an Orthodox Christian in the absence of the Orthodox Church?
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@@troll707 what mass
Jay Dyer, how do you read so much in such a short time?
the letter kills, the Spirit gives life
Couldn’t be orthodox, they don’t know that purgatory exists. To not that absolute truth shows me clearly they can’t be the final word on faith
@@LadyMaria That's ignorance, we KNOW that purgatory exists. Do you hear me? We KNOW it. It's not some theory we have. Its consistent teaching from the church. Logically deduced from Scripture, taught by the greatest saints, many of whom have had the dead appear to them asking for their prayers, revealed to lay faithful by powerful graces from God, including myself wo converted from protestantism. If you want to hold to your erroneous theory that's your business but you're wrong!
Purgatory ponzi scheme is fake
@@peterdemarco4802 Well. when a dead guy shows up at your bedside asking you for prayers to get him out of purgatory you might change your mind
@@chrisharrelson178 Muslims also claim supernatural events happen to them. Should we become Muslims?
In the time of Christ most people didn't even believe in an afterlife. You are ridiculous.
Im sspx from 3 years ago but I found the teachings from council of trent on why we dont take wine at communion didnt really give me a good answer. I remember one of the reasons being you couldn't get wine to missionaries out in the middle of no where.
unseen 11 sir I get the same absurd answers for why they don’t use triple immersion in baptism. They claim its hard to get water some places. Imagine making an entire policy based on the few extreme instances. It’s another example of a mendacious rationalization, concocted ex post facto. I used to attend sspx too, and if you look into some of the better histories of Vatican I you will see that some of the most learned bishops of the day used the same arguments against infallibility that orthodox do today. Hefele, who was among the most learned bishops in the world, actually pointed to Leo’s tome as an example of an ex cathedra statement that the council still didn’t take as authoritative in its own right, but that they were told “read and judge” and not “read and submit”. Catholic apologists today say the opposite, and claim only their version has ever been believed. Brian Tiernys work on the origins of papal infallibility being from the Fransiscans in the twelfth century is also eye opening.
@@larrycera9276 your comment is why I invariably return to jay's videos just to browse the latest. I always pick something up.
Unfree Radical much obliged sir! Dominus tecum
@@larrycera9276 Et cum spiritu tuo.
wouldn't it be great to se a debate between dr. ortlund and jay dyer? please folks make it happen asap ty
wow. Publicly demonstrating how poorly Jay understands Catholicism.....and I'm a former Protestant.
What bible version is the best for Orthodox. Niv,KJB ,Nkjb,Esv,Nasb.Do the Orthodox Have their on Bible?
The Orthodx Study Bible is on Amazon for $32
No matter what that system still contradicts the entire bible
Here is the next installment of why Mr. Dyer is wrong about his reasoning. ua-cam.com/video/FGfTG6IubmE/v-deo.html
Trent Horn easily dismantled Dyer’s arguments here. Trent also challenged Dyer to a debate, I wonder if he will take him up on it.
He literally just refuted an off-the-cuff video not an actual Grandeur video that Jay Dyer did but that is to be expected of Catholic apologists
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Are there any aspects of Orthodoxy that you don’t like?
Have you spoken with/depated Bishop Robert Barron?
Jay needs to do the top 10 reasons why he does not believe the Bible.I’ll be sticking with Jesus Christ as the Holy Spirit teaches me deeper revelation on the Father’s love and the love of humanity.VERY simple.Very Bible…..love from Texas,Brent
Bruh he's orthodox he believes in the bible
@@ghengiskhan9308 Maybe i'm wrong,but he sure does put a LOT of weight on teachers outside the Word more than the Word itself.
@@bjones5791 what teacher?
@@ghengiskhan9308 That was 6 months ago,i've moved on.Jay's a smart guy,but King Jesus Christ is smarter than any teacher.Amen
You should do a video at about 3 minutes on why you are not a muslim :)
Can someone give me a resource explaining what is wrong with God’s divine simplicity?
I was curious about this as well.
Jay, what's that you said about the stigmata phenomenon happening only after Vatican 2? I've never heard this before. Could someone explain please?
RK rk he says it only append after the schism (1054) :)
After the schism
I believe francis of asissi was the first one.
@@alfonsocorral9579 or padre pio
@@ellastrantellenas278 padre pio is a recent example though his wounds might be because of acid. That said those wounds if real come from the devil. God said our body is a temple and as such we must take care of it this strange blood pietys are no bueno.
Is there any domination that anyone 100% believes in every single aspect of it? Seems like everyone just picks a couple them switches then studies that one then switches then keeps repeating that.
so true..!!!
34:54 there is one thing like that in the New Testament- when Jesus flips over the tables!
I'm neither Protestant nor Roman Catholic I'm a Biblical Christian.
@@lordofhostsappreciator3075 based
@@LadyMaria Hey! I'm the one who made this comment a year ago, I have nothing against Orthodoxy or Catholicism, and you realize that not all Protestants agree on what the Bible teaches, many Protestants for example don't believe in Sola Scriptura, the reason why I said I'm a "Biblical Christian" is because I want to detach myself from any of the 3 branches of Christianity, I agree with ALL of them in some way or another, I believe they're all true Christians, but I just choose to follow the Bible, its my personal choice but that doesn't mean that I think everything else that is outside the Bible is false.
@@kingofthemultiverse4148if you agree with ALL of them then you have to DENY all of them. They're not compatible
@@petros-petra Well! that's just your opinion, i disgree, we have more commonalities than differences.
@@kingofthemultiverse4148 You and me both also have more commonalities than differences with secular humanists, satanists and gay right activists. How is that an argument?
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They are all in the pinned comment!
You judge the Roman Catholic Church on the Teachings of Jesus Christ; not on the Errors of Man! God love you!
Hey,dont diss the blazer!its sharp!,but of course I live in Arkansas!
Things is fucked up. I'm in Australia, you're wearing a camo jacket... shit's dehabilitating yo
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But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.