NEW Information About House of the Dragon S2 Episode 2 (Discussion)
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- Опубліковано 13 лип 2024
- We've talked a lot about House of the Dragon Season 2 Episode 2 already (for good reason), but today we're going to talk a little more about some of the things we didn't elaborate quite enough from our S2E2 Recap video this past Sunday.
We'll talk about Aemond Targaryen's coin, why finding Cheese could have been a lot easier for Aegon II & Otto Hightower, how Alicent is a terrible mother, the lore behind Rhaenyra seeking out Visenya Targaryen, and who really won the battle of Erryk vs. Arryk Cargyll.
Find out more ahead of Episode 3 where we see a lot of Daemon Targaryen and Harrenhal to gain a hold in Westeros for the Queen. - Розваги
It seems Erryk could not handle the grief of having been forced to kill his brother whom he loved dearly and so he commited Sepukku. He apologized to Rhaenyra for being unable to serve her any further.
That appears to be the case! I'm still surprised it went down, but killing your brother really is an intense thing so I can't even blame him too too much.
@@TheBattProductions All such incidents just remind me of Jaime's speech to Brienne in s3e5.
@@saptarshisengupta8235 Absolutely...and that's one of my favorite speeches in the history of the show!
As an identical twin, I would not be able to live with the fact that I killed my literal other half 😩. This scene hit so hard for me.
Okay, that's fair. I mean then I have to say...like once you see your twin, wouldn't you think you'd stop mid-fight?
But ah, that isn't a good story I guess eh. Hmm.
While different, Otto kinda reminds me of Tywin. I can't wait to see, as you said, for Aegon to see just how big of a mistake it was to dismiss him.
They are from the same cloth! Making sure the wrong person is put on the throne. And caring more about the idea of the family than the actual family!
For sure - similar in ways for sure. Tywin had a different level of power in his pocket, but they both generally operate in a similar way. Win wars with ink instead of swords eh.
@@christinestevenson4304 Actually I think Tywin put the right person on the Throne (Robert). He of course didn't put Joffrey on the Throne (that was really Cersei) but I suppose there wasn't a lot of choice there. We know Tywin would've done away with Joffrey it got bad enough, I think...even though he's all about family.
I feel like Alicent’s lack of a maternal instinct, or any kind of gentleness might stem from her being raise by a cold in calculating dad in Otto Hightower. Think about it, it sounds like her mom died when she was really young, so she never got that motherly love. She was instead being raised by her dad, who is basically grooming her to be the king’s new wife, since she was a little girl, her father basically forced her to have sex with an old man for the sake of the “realm” and she had no say about it. It’s duty.
I think that’s why she’s unable to support Helena who didn’t want to be paraded around like that .
I also think that her saying that Aegon is still malleable but appeared to freeze or be clueless when a clear opportunity presented itself is proof that she simply does not know how to show maternal love. She might want to, but doesn’t know how.
Agreed and she also became a mother at around 16-17 at most and her children were the product of marital grape. So she was forced to have children when she was also a child with the people who should be her supporting her, Viserys and Otto, not being very present.
Aegon’s birth likely would have also pushed her and Rhaenyra even further a part, so she might have resented him a bit bc of this.
And the cherry on top is the fear that Otto instilled in her that Rhaenyra would kill her children. Causing her to push her children to be perfect even more than her father did with her.
I think that's probably true, for sure. I think there are definitely reasons for Alicent is the way she is, but nonetheless she's pushing that trauma forward and not protecting them instead.
The scene with Otto yelling at aegon II was legendary .
One of my absolute favorites in the history of the GOT universe. I also just love Rhys Ifans so this is more of the same epic behavior IMO.
Good morning, 50k is just around the corner. Thank you for all your hard work entertaining the smallfolk.
Good morning Aleksander! 50K is coming and that makes me so happy - plenty of work to be done and thanks to people like you, it makes it so much easier and fun to do it!
I appreciate you for watching my friend.
I think it made perfect sense that the good twin killed himself. If it was the bad twin, he probably would’ve lied he was the good one and get close to her and kill her. He said sorry bcuz he was going to kill himself. He couldn’t live with himself for killing his brother but he did his duty of protecting his queen. The bad twin wouldn’t have addressed her as queen.
What’s good about GOT & HotD is that they do a BTS into madness and Tyranny. 😂😂 I am interested in seeing the direction they go with Adam and Alynn of Hull….they are alluding to something….😉. Very intriguing wrap up here. Those are some good talking points. Things that make you go hmm 🤔
Yess. In parallel with Rhynera's scene with Jacerys . She comforted her grieving Son (Luke's death). while Alicent just walked away from Aegon2
Big spoilers for Fire and Ice and the end of HotD!!!!*****
I felt like the symbolism of Aemond covering his one good eye with the coin is more foreshadowing about how he’ll die. Covering an eye with a coin is a common death practice to send a soul off. And in the book we learn that Daemond kills his nephew by stabbing him though his one good eye, over the gods eye lake near harenhall, which just so happens to be looming over his shoulder in the background with the wall tapestry. I think the coin was just knocked from the table, but he was able to put the clues together of the secret passage and the missing money on the map that the assassins were in his room at one point and after him.
I don't think she gave the little lord a ride out of the goodness of her heart. It was a show of poer. His mother was terrified
Great video!!
Ironically Visenya also somewhat played the Alicent role when she crowns her son Maegor instead of Aegon the uncrowned who was the son of Aenys + was next in line.
For me, it's the same with Otto. After using his daughter like a pawn in the game, she seeks a moment with her father, and Otto rejects her. After she being like a "Teenbride" and having children with a Man she doesn't want, people are still quite unfair to Alicent. I still hate her, though 😅
It didnt seem to me like Allicent was "forced" to be with Viserys in Season 1. She is clearly shown embracing him in bed, pretending to "love" him. She knew marrying him would give her the power and status that her family always wanted.
Rather it was Viserys who got fooled into thinking Allicent cared about him, and had a bond with him. It was his emotional vulnerability and guilt for what he did to Aemma that caused him to fall into such a trap.
@@saptarshisengupta8235 In the show Alicent and Rhaenyra are both around 15. When Alicent married Viserys... like really? the 45 years old man is the Victim?
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I never said he was a "Victim". I called him a "fool" for falling into a Hightower trap.
And yes! 15 year old allicent was just a tool for Otto to further his political goals until she embraced that same role herself once she came of age.
Her father is the reason why she is so emotionally deprived. And yes I can't stand her and Col the hypocrites 😄
All she ever did was slap her kids and ignore them! She does owe her life to aemond though! You could see she was terrified he was going to out her right before he named aegon! She let her breath out like damn, thanks kid!
did any one catch Uif the White? the guy that came up to the ratcatchers hanging out outside the Red Keep asking who they are?
First to take the Black 🖤
Good Morrow, M’Lord!
One question that I have is the meaning of Aegon's ring. Did that belong to his dad? Or it was Helaena's?
Because he was touching the ring with regret.
The coins were to show that Blood and Cheese came through that room because Blood stole them and obviously missed one. I think Aemond realized that they were probably there for him but ended up getting the prince instead of him. Hence being upset later, he knows it was his fault that this happened. Not only did he start the war but he not being there was the reason the prince was killed. In my opinion.
See that's what I thought on a surface level, but I'm not sure that's all it is. Because, of course me being a silly fellow, think that it's possible an assassin would be poor and just would steal any loose change found/they'd stumble into the wrong room, so I think it's dangerous for Aemond to assume Daemon sent them for him based on that. I have to imagine the symbol on the coin means something, right?
@@TheBattProductions Maybe, I'm not sure the symbol meant anything but it could so I guess we have to wait and see now lol. All very good no matter what. Cheers :)
The coin and aemond is foreshadowing. Coins are placed over people's eyes afte their death. We saw it in GoT. Blood and cheese came to kill him. The camera shows him holding infront of his face just as he would be if he were dead.
Spoiler:
The whole scene revolves around his death. His avoidance of it with Blood and Cheese and the future way he meets his demise. Daemon stabs him through the eye with Dark Sister at the Battle of the God's Eye.
Good point!
I occasionally have a good point or two - thank you my friend!
I am a anew subscriber and i liked the video! I feel the same way about the aegon actor! Until this season i was just not caring about him. But now, after episode two, i think he did a great job! I actually teared up when he was bawling at the end! And the fact that he showed hemena more emotion than their mother did was a good nod to him i think. The brother killing himself for what he did was i think better than having him go on! It shows the difference between them and the targaryans who just turn everything into bigger bloodbaths. Alicent just keeps providing rhaenyra was always right about her. Worst mother ever! And being a fan of other franchises, i am so happy they did not turn this one into a shit show like they did. I read the books a long time ago and i don't mind the changes! I thought really the only problem was the big time jumps! I get they didn't know if the fans were going to like the show, but now they have to slow it down if they want to keep it going! Really i king of like it better this way because it has more of a first season got feel! Great video!
I think the reason Erryk ended his own life is because of a few different things. 1. He killed his brother and was overwhelmed with grief. And 2. He would have been branded a kinslayer, which is like an unforgiveable offense in their culture if I have my facts correct(like how Jaime is a kingslayer in GoT). His life as a knight is his honor, and by tradition he killed his honor by killing his twin.
I think you're probably right on all of those points...Erryk is an honorable guy and I love where he's coming from even if I'm not a massive fan of his choice to end it all. BUT I don't hate it, either.
Otto's famous words" mistakes were made after the king's death" no Otto mistakes were made all the way back when you raised your daughter as if you were the night king, cold and using her as a puppet in your scheming.
I was so heartbroken 💔 about the brothers death
It was a very sad death...poor little Lucerys
7:40 City Watch
Wow did not see that coming thought forsure the evil twin won
Like if you think the King guard’s armor from game of thrones look ls better than the one design in HOTD
can you do a what if Khal Drogo lives
I DID! But it was my very firs tone I think.
TheBattProductions
Please updated Game of Thrones WHAT IF: Joffrey Kills Arya at Trident
Reason: You forgot to why Arya died by Jeff, lead up.
Thank you for this...I suppose I must revisit!
sneaky sneaky
did u say that u dont get why the good brother killed himself so we blast the comments??
KIN SLAYER IS THE WORST SIN THATS WHY HE FELL ON HIS SWORD. oh sorry for caps. lol