The problem I have really noticed regarding Mario nowadays is that, while yeah, he's a likable idiot that basically is keeping the SMG4 crew alive and together, it's HOW he's keeping them alive and together. He's one of the only characters that hasn't changed all that much since "the golden era" like Bob, Swag and Chris, but at the same time, that's the problem: the other characters in terms of appeal and personality. They have become the straight man to Mario's antics, making him the only one to keep things interesting. Like you said regarding "Mario abuse", I agree in the sense that half the time, yeah, he deserves it, but the other half, it's just Mario being Mario: he's stupid. I get that it's "for the funnie" but still. Episodes from old SMG4 like "The Mario Carnival" or "Mario Works at McDonald's" are some of my favorites since it makes Mario's stupidity being the driving force for how the episode plays out and the "abuse" isn't caused by his "friends" having enough of him, but it's because of ACTUAL problems. "The Mario Carnival" has Meggy stepping in to help Mario win tickets, while still being a showoff as she effortlessly beats a shooting game, but "Mario Works at McDonald's" is a perfect showcase of this as Axol steps in to save Mario from Ronald McDonald and even offers him some of his food, like a true friend. A lot of people in the community like the modern SMG4 episode: "Mario Goes On Death Row", and I can see why: ALL the characters are likable, we have a wholesome duo in the form of Swag and Melony, there are jokes galore, especially with Karen and Mr. Monitor (the SMG3 bit was my favorite part with the bombs), and we get a happy ending: Mario gets a ton of spaghetti thanks to Melony's gratitude to Mario for defending her manga, and it is revealed that Swag stole Obama's credit card to pay for it all, adding to the comedy. But for me, my favorite modern SMG4 episode is "SMG4 News" where Mario isn't just the character getting the spotlight: ALL major characters are featured here (save for Tari), and it felt like an actual classic episode of SMG4 where it was a parody of a news broadcast and the story is kept to a minimum with SMG3 wanting to take full control of the news by having it be a means of advertising his cafe only for SMG4 to turn the tables right back at him. EVERYTHING was played for comedy and I absolutely adored this episode. All in all, modern SMG4 episodes should try to portray the crew as actual friends instead of them ganging up on Mario for the sake of "the funnie".
why mario (smg4) is giving old and modern Patrick vibes like when the old Patrick was an idiot but loved by every spongebob fans but now modern Patrick is just a sociopathic prick
The modern Patrick ur refering to is older then most people who watch SMG4 nowadays. The actual modern Patrick is more in line with his season 1-3 counterpart as of now.
ironically enough, Old SMG4 Mario was more a sociopathic prick than the New one- the old one really had basically no real friends and was a major asshole, the new one has an entire family's worth of buddies and can be chummy with them, even getting very sad over them being hurt.
SMG4 Mario back then: I'm stupid,but I'm also funny,heroic and an actual person who keeps things from being boring SMG4 Mario now: No ElEcTrIcItY mAkEs MaRiO gO cOo CoO cRaZy
This is why I absolutely Had it with SMG4 Mario, he's giving me Patrick vibes, always getting into Trouble, and always Addicted to Spaghetti, I honestly hate the Time his Mustache Grows big and Eye's were Crossed, he is more like a Mindless Plumber, Unlike the Actual Nintendo Mario, which is more Smarter and Cared more about his Friends.
I feel you. I feel like now Mario's a childish idiot rather than just... an idiot. I don't know how to put it... but classic SMG4 Mario felt more... grounded?
Yes, you're right. The characters before had personality and weren't 1-dimensional. They felt alive and were funny. Even their character flaws were funny. Now it's just taking what was already there, and just using a trope incorrectly because they don't understand humor. They made too many characters for them to handle, and now they don't know how to use any of them properly. The fact that Luke as a kid had more funny jokes and better character writing than a company of adults is telling.
@@Mr.Guy202 Basically when you are in the era of 2020's. Everyone ran out of ideas. So their only go to was to regress their characters over and over again to compensate with their new concept
The difference is that modern SMG4 episodes are more slice of life than old episodes, which are usually just spontaneous adventures without much lead up. Also him as an avatar makes sense, since the rules of the Nintendo universe still apply, where he’s gonna be just fine with 1-Ups. This makes Mario one of the safest possible avatars, as it requires villains with universe-defying abilities to be an actual threat. This is why I find Mr. Puzzles problematic, because by the lore, he shouldn’t be much of a threat, yet they really want him to feel like one. Mario feels fine overall, it just feels like there’s consistency issues, just because I know a lot of minor characterizations of his character which usually get ignored. He is also barely in some of the episodes, which feels like I get cheated. Of the cast, Bob feels the least changed, and is always a pleasure to have in an episode.
I'll be honest,of all the characters, Mario is the most flanderable of all in this new era of SMG4. Seriously,it's incredible how Mario became increasingly immature to the extreme in these new videos,doesn't stop screaming,crying and complaining like a daycare child,ruins other people's lives and feels no remorse,rarely proves to be helpful with anything in new episodes and literally needs to be treated like a baby by everyone to literally"be in his place"...Seriously it's so unbearable to watch.
The big thing though in my eyes about Mario in modern SMG4 is how he seems all too aware of the stupidity of his character and just forcibly makes it out to be him in everything he does
I like to mention Mario actually was growing as a better person since 2015 where he help 2 kids who were bullied by Jr. in soccer and as we kept going up to 2018 he was more selfless then selfish dispite still doing some bad stuff he still cared for his friends and was more thoughtful and not a complete moron but then around the last half 2019 he slowly went back to his old self from 2011-2014 but worst because he isn't even funny anymore just a stupid rude guy who acts like a literal baby and lets worst people he calls "friends" abuse him alot it's pathetic
If one thing, Mario deserves better friends, and I just really wish that SMG4 and his friends finally getting the consequences they all deserved! Plus just because he did all of this that doesn’t mean he deserves the abuse!
honestly, this feels sorta like comparing homer simpson and peter griffin. homer is overall not the best but he actively tries to improve and realizes when he crosses the line. peter griffin is outright irredeemable 95% of the time now.
I hate how I had to start counting the times when SM64 Mario actually had his normal eye sprites instead of the wall-eyes ones because SMG4 was just so insistent he had to be visibly as dumb as possible. Now we don’t even get SM64 models at all.
Honestly, SMG4 Mario is just a lesser Homer Simpson for me. He started out as a well meaning idiot, but over the years, became just an unlikable idiot, with most of his positive aspects stripped away over the years.
2:27 Speaking of which, sometimes when Mario does something or says something his friends beat him up for it, what they, I dunno... *accidentally kill him and doom their universe?*
Honestly I feel bad for Luke, I mean imagine having to make so many episodes about the same set of characters, if you think about it the same thing happened to Spongebob (I mean like how the series was ruined since Spongebob became more of a dumb4ss).
@@sh2619-v9hI don’t really blame them tbh. How the hell do you think creative after 13+ years of UA-cam. (Also they upload once a week so it’s pretty damn hard thinking creative imo)
Mario is like Homer Simpson. They are both idiots but earlier seasons/ episodes had more to them, while in later seasons/ episodes it feels like the writers have run out of ideas and rely on obnoxious stupidity for humour with no depth whatsoever
Mario had a personality back then! He was cared about his friends (after 2014), mostly for Meggy, he even gave her spaghetti, onle one who tried to release her from rocks in anime arc, or when he cared about "SMG during Its gotta be perfect". Now he's a man child, more like Patrick from modern SpongeBob, with everyone abusing him, especially SMG4 and 3, because last wants to control him while 4 just using him for views, and i honestly like the idea of Mario becoming crazy and capturing all his friends, because his abuse most of times unjustified! He was also cared about his bro, and thanksfully he still cares, but show it now much rarely. He's getting less screen time now, which i very dislike, and i hope they wont move on from him! He's my favourite character there!
@@sh2619-v9h Mario is one of the characters, that have a very big potential to be a main antagonist in movie or WOTFI! Not side antagonist, because in 2023 it was mostly Marty. I very like the idea of Mario going against his friends on his own, not because someone is controlling him! And many people like the idea of main character being villain, they missing a big opportunity if they dont do that.
I miss the Mario was in this game video or those Mario focus videos where he host dangerous challenges. I would like to see if Mario was in hollow knight
In my opinon Mario should get hhis revenge arc on his friends. I know that he might be a bastard sometimes, but sometimes they push it too far with Mario
You know, in the lawsuit arc, I noticed that Mario was starting to have some good character development at times, I think Mario isn't that stupid, and I noticed that his relationship with Meggy was more genuine, although slightly romantic at times,( even if i didn't ship them), or maybe their "brothers" relationship was more present and united, and Mario seemed to be getting smarter over time and there was more good and interesting content ahead that could be released in the future like: Meggy's parents, some Cursed Tapes arc, SMG3 becoming happy by becoming a good competitor or fulfilling his dream instead of now becoming a cafe owner and half gay with SMG4, (I'm not saying it's bad but I really stopped liking how they get along) the little appearance of other characters from other video games or from Mario himself some reference to Sunset Paradise, or the strange Morshu appearances I've stopped watching SMG4 because I noticed that it always It's the same pattern every few videos, everyone gets into some conflict, fights and gets back together, like some toxic couple in between.
I started watching in 2017 and got hooked IMMEDIATELY. I watched every episode that came out and everytime it was fire! There was just something that made it special and fun to watch.. but I agree with this video alot because the old Mario was alot more enjoyable and fun to watch, not too much crybaby sh*t and not too little either.. but all in all it's just my opinion
At some points he somehow is smart meaning that he just hides his real personality to people and acts like his normal self when he's alone. That's why Modern version of the character is unlikeable because Mario back then was an actual idiot but after Atleast 10 yesrs later his intelligence increased since meme effect died down and he went back to normal Mario but he fakes it so SMG4 can make more videos.
i feel like new smg4 is way better than old smg4, its just that some of his newer videos have poorer excecution or lost their character compared to the old videos from like 2017-2020
I feel like all that SMG4 really needs is just characters being consistent (which is obvious to... many degrees) but Mario is the one that i really wished just... got more cool moments. SMG4 Mario is one of my favorite idiot characters of all time, him being stupid is very funny to me and always was kinda was throughout the years, even when he's being unbearable, but a favorite trope of mine is stupid characters suddenly getting their shit together and locking the fuck in and doing cool shit, like, Classic Mario had a lot of that happen to him, he was stupid, sure, but he prevented many casualties early on throughout the series, and even when he caused them it was STILL funny because it was like watching this chaos gremlin go about. Also, with everything considered, would it *really* be too far of a stretch to just say that Mario is immortal? I mean like, avatar of the universe? sure, how did he not die already? ...growing durability throughout the entire series, probably.
I originally thought SMG4 got the idea of a moronic Mario from Lemmy's Land. I was interested to know how he both came up with the idea himself and even improved him from the Lemmy's Land concept. It's disappointing to know SMG4 is slipping in his show's quality.
In my opinion, I'm fine with a more unempathetic version of Mario, as long as he's funny and actually gets what he deserves at the end. For example, in Stupid Mario Oddysey 2, it's nice to see him get crushed in the ending by the Goomba couple. Especially considering all the bad things he's done in the first one. (Still funny tho) In Stupid Mario Galaxy, it's satisfying to see Mario get revenge on Toadsworth. In the first and second Freddy's Sphaghetteria, it's fun to see Mario lose his cool in the endings. The same applies to Luigi Hunt. Mario's worst portrayal is in Mario gets Woke. This is where he's all the negative traits and no redeeming ones. He not only gets away with being a complete jackass but also gets spaghetti in the end by God. (Yes, really.) I admittedly did not like that episode, he wasn't funny in that one. Really, in the new episodes. Mario is kinda like Spongebob, went from a lovable protagonist that can show more than one emotion to a toddler who always loud and annoying.
tbh smg4 fell off in my opinion, it used to be funny because those characters were... themselves, mario and smg4 is the biggest examples of this, now they are steriotypes, not characters for me
If I have to be honest smg4 Mario always felt like some sort of mentally disabled guy like yeah he is dumb but he's not stupid (not most of the time anyway) I mean count the millions of specials that had existed throughout the years like I don't know what's the name of this one but I remember but that Mario remembers Maggy putting something on his hat and he was able to figure out anyway and I love it and that's coming from someone who's not even from the smg4 fandom I'm sure you guys can tell millions of times where Mario was able to figure out something really really smart
I have only 1 Fatall minus about new SMG4 overall: its not funny. I remember in like 2016 i clivked on one of the old SMG4 videos and I never laughed so hard in my entire life ever again, like it was no jokes one of the best days in my life. And then i was a fan of this guy, but video after a video I wasnt laughing, but it was ok, SMG4 at least saved that interesting and randomized stories. But its slowly becoming like a some kind of a UA-cam kids but with ok stories. And now SMG4 cant make me laugh, just let me tell you why i loved THOSE characetrs and dont like their new parodies.SMG4 himself - back then was way different compare to Mario, this duo was like a SpongeBob and Squidward and it had that atmosphere, but now SMG4 is like Mario but just a little bit more chill. MArio - he was the main guy, his silly jokes for no reason was the reason why SMG4 universe was my favorite, now hes an annoying kid whose jokes are NOTHING, i dont feel anything when he makes a joke. Toad - okay guys, SMG4, Mario and Toad is one of the best trio ever, this guy was the most reliable and smartest, how hes okay with SMG4 but hates Mario is ridicilous, but now hes gone and just WHYYYYYYYY?????? Luigi - Luigi was justa guy who didnt changed and it made him special as hes the most caniest guy here, now hes just a background character for me. Fishy Boopkins - damn this one was good, Boopkins is even could be my favorite out of all characters and im not joking. Like you know, revisiting those old SMG4 videos is only for pure nostalgia and only sometimes smiling at some jokes. But Fishy Boopkins has the classic SMG4 jokes, that JPG navigator moment, moment when he was feeding his Anime girls (they were a pillow), that time when he was saving the best trio from Shyguys are funny even today, even forthe 69,9 times of rewatching those gold episodes. Overall I dont really hate new SMG4, but old one is better not because of nostalgia, but because of the jokes.
To be honest it's not Mario's fault for being stupid, it's SMG4 (the character) who made him this way for his own profit & doesn't care if it's hurting him. As long as he's famous & rich, that all that matters to him.
Everyone wanting to strangle Mario is confusing imo. I'm probably just as stupid as him but it's funny how we went from defending him in 2022 to become the attackers now Edit: nvm. But yeah, they totally flanderized his "deserved" and "stupid" moments into pity and slap worthiness. Can't wait for the others!
@@sh2619-v9halso, would you please do some on other SMG4 characters like SMG3 & Tari? SMG3, Evil GoofBall (Comic Relief) Turned Into Evil JackAss! Tari, Best Character Turned Into Less Used & Underrated!
Mario has fallen off He used to be like a nice character who cared about everybody else and not himself Mario sometimes deserves the abuse and sometimes doesn’t Example for the abuse being deserved is the episode “Mario Goes Coo Coo Crazy” Where Mario just started capturing people like they were Pokemon Example for the abuse not being deserved is the episode “The Door” Meggy and Saiko abused Mario for opening the door i think They even did some ritual shit on him Like what the fuck it’s just a bloody door get over yourselves For Mario’s character I wouldn’t compare him with Homer Simpson since Homer actually tries to be a nice guy even when he does something uncalled for I definitely would compare him with Peter Griffin Peter is 100% a heartless jerk and is a man child That’s kinda the same with Mario I would love if they did an arc where Mario just left the crew and they try to replace him but at the end of the arc they realise that Mario is the main reason why they make tons of views on the videos They end up saying sorry to mario Mario rejects their apology from the crew and leaves and returns to Brooklyn or Italy SMG4 gets mad and blames the crew for what happened and fires all of them I would imagine an emotional scene with SMG4 and SMG3 (since they friends) where SMG3 refuses to leave but smg4 threatens to kill SMG3 if he doesn’t leave and SMG3 leaves in anger and tells smg4 “F*CK YOU! WE ARENT FRIENDS ANYMORE YOU GREEDY B*STARD!” Days later smg4 hires a new crew which are more useless then the anti cast smg3 hired in the UA-cam arc Meanwhile SMG3 tries to convince mario to join the smg3 crew and says that he wont be abused And Mario accepts SMG3’s Channel grows while SMG4’s Channel dies SMG4 goes to SMG3’s Cafe and tries to delete smg3’s channel on smg3’s computer without him looking SMG3 catches him and slaps him SMG4 gets even more mad and summons the new UA-cam ceo and slaps him and takes the youtube remote and deletes SMG3 from existence FOREVER SMG3’s Crew get upset and threaten to get revenge on SMG4 one day Weeks Later they find a way to undelete smg3 They create a warp pipe to bring smg3 out of the internet graveyard which has no ruler now since SMG3 moved out When they get back SMG4 has God Waluigi and Other SMG4 Villains like Grand Dad and Lawyer Kong on his side This leads into WOTFI 2024 (or 2025 if smg4 doesn’t do an arc like this year) After all the challenges and Rap Battle and SMG4 gets Defeated SMG4 says he’s sorry for what he did and starts crying Everyone feels bad for smg4 and forgive him SMG4 gets redeemed and deletes his other crew from existence SMG4,Mario and SMG3 are all friends again SMG4 has a video game party with his friends Meanwhile with Lawyer Kong and the other villains They plan revenge on SMG4 and the other crew They create an evil version of SMG4 They say “WE WILL GET OUR REVENGE NEXT YEAR” The Arc ends with the normal smg4 outro playing in the background I hope you liked my arc idea I hope they redeem Mario’s Character
Mario: No... how could SMG4 make my character into a punching bag after all I did for him? Without me he wouldn't create this amazing channel & the Amazing Digital Circus. I'm his avatar & he treats me as a man-child? ... sniff 😢 Me: No Mario don't cry! It'll be ok, trust me. Look what you did SMG4, you made the one thing that inspired your life cry! Are you happy!? 😡
Yeah like, in the older episodes, he was an idiot but not a jerk to his friends. He often wanted to help people, even if there were few times where he needed a little push from the others sometimes since he could be pretty lazy too. The problems he caused were often because his stupidity caused his attempts to help to backfire, but he was a pretty nice character overall and could actually think of unique solutions to solve problems as well. And he could be a bit immature and egoistic at times as well, but once again it's not too much. Unlike modern Mario who is a totally immature and egoistic man-child who only causes problems. They just took his flaws and made them his entire character. Like for example, in the episode Mario's Hell Kitchen. In that episode, Mario is pouting because SMG4 prevents him from cooking, and when everything goes to crap, he's still pouting and refuses to help until SMG4 admits he can cook. But when SMG4 does admit that he can cook, he immediatly jumps into action, thinking of a creative solution to have the monster they're fighting free Meggy. Meanwhile in Mario Bakes a """"Cake"""", though I did like this episode with the funny narrator, Mario is also prevented from cooking by the narrator, but here when he does, he messes everything up, even though it's been established in the past that Mario can be pretty good at cooking.
This is just the same as SpongeBob and Patrick in SpongeBob SquarePants Seasons 6, 7, 8 & 9! They even turned Mario into an (South Park) Eric Cartman Stereotype Character! Mario is now not only an idiot but an annoying bratty manchild! The RoadTrip & PlaneTrip episodes is what made me not like Mario anymore, I felt bad for both SMG4 & Karen in those episodes. I feel like Mario’s character is stale now and not as funny as it used to be, which is a shame.
Although I disagree with this video and find Mario's stupidity and most episodes to be funny, Ima say a few things. 1. Mario did gain all the knowledge in the Universe but he's stupid for the plot, he's only really stupid because the plot makes him, although if he wanted too he could manipulate the plot to make himself smart but doesn't want too. I think Mario has gained more emotionally smarter the more the series has grown. 2. I do think that some characters forgot about him being the avatar but him almost not dying doesn't make the verse explode, also is impossible for him to die, he's able to rip out his soul and survive existence erasure so that's why the verse doesn't blow up, is consistent. 3. The episode shown in the background at the end of this video is why I understand why people hate Modern SMG4 a bit, is stupid but opinions exist and so does THIS EPISODE! That one episode is the only SMG4 episode where I didn't Laugh, Cry, Smile or anything. It was literally Mario abuse the episode and I'm glad SMG4 moved on through this, only characters in character is the Mario brothers. Everyone else was just unlikeable. 4. I feel like Old Mario and Modern Mario are just the same but different humor and other different things, I don't really see a problem with them but is fine if you do. I personally think Modern SMG4 is still funny if not more funnier than before (Besides that one episode above that can burn in hell for all I care). so I guess W Video, W Reasons although I explained why it's consistent for some things like Mario not blowing up the universe, also is not just the SMG4 Universe that blows up but the entire cosmology itself, if he dies they all die but is impossible for him to die. Anyways have a good day and I hope you understand this comment lol.
@@sh2619-v9h ye lol, although I said some negatives about this, I do agree with sometimes where Mario's Stupidity can get unfunny even though I laughed or chuckled at most episodes, like the If Mario was the last man on Earth Episode and sometimes where he acts too dumb for his own good. It's been there for classic and it's been there for modern but idk, SMG4 is SMG4 at the end of the day, he listens to his fans like with the re-designs so idk.
Before he was just mildy special education but still smart, now it’s as if Mario survived getting carpet bombed directly to the brain.
What the hell does that mean?
@@backupsx9912lobotomy
@@masonasaro2118he actually did get one in one of the recent episodes
The problem I have really noticed regarding Mario nowadays is that, while yeah, he's a likable idiot that basically is keeping the SMG4 crew alive and together, it's HOW he's keeping them alive and together. He's one of the only characters that hasn't changed all that much since "the golden era" like Bob, Swag and Chris, but at the same time, that's the problem: the other characters in terms of appeal and personality. They have become the straight man to Mario's antics, making him the only one to keep things interesting.
Like you said regarding "Mario abuse", I agree in the sense that half the time, yeah, he deserves it, but the other half, it's just Mario being Mario: he's stupid. I get that it's "for the funnie" but still. Episodes from old SMG4 like "The Mario Carnival" or "Mario Works at McDonald's" are some of my favorites since it makes Mario's stupidity being the driving force for how the episode plays out and the "abuse" isn't caused by his "friends" having enough of him, but it's because of ACTUAL problems. "The Mario Carnival" has Meggy stepping in to help Mario win tickets, while still being a showoff as she effortlessly beats a shooting game, but "Mario Works at McDonald's" is a perfect showcase of this as Axol steps in to save Mario from Ronald McDonald and even offers him some of his food, like a true friend.
A lot of people in the community like the modern SMG4 episode: "Mario Goes On Death Row", and I can see why: ALL the characters are likable, we have a wholesome duo in the form of Swag and Melony, there are jokes galore, especially with Karen and Mr. Monitor (the SMG3 bit was my favorite part with the bombs), and we get a happy ending: Mario gets a ton of spaghetti thanks to Melony's gratitude to Mario for defending her manga, and it is revealed that Swag stole Obama's credit card to pay for it all, adding to the comedy.
But for me, my favorite modern SMG4 episode is "SMG4 News" where Mario isn't just the character getting the spotlight: ALL major characters are featured here (save for Tari), and it felt like an actual classic episode of SMG4 where it was a parody of a news broadcast and the story is kept to a minimum with SMG3 wanting to take full control of the news by having it be a means of advertising his cafe only for SMG4 to turn the tables right back at him. EVERYTHING was played for comedy and I absolutely adored this episode.
All in all, modern SMG4 episodes should try to portray the crew as actual friends instead of them ganging up on Mario for the sake of "the funnie".
We need more stuff like that
Blame smg4 for turning mario like that😭
aint no way bro made 4 paragraphs for a dumbass mario 😭
The avatar who.. loves putting people in trouble.. Oh Mario!
In the fnaf video Mario wasn’t dumb he was frustrated and ended up destroying the place
I like how you’re making these videos that show how flanderized certain characters in SMG4 have become. Keep it up!
I remember during the Waluigi Arc where Mario was actually surprisingly competent and on the ball for a change.
I felt like Mario was able to take some situations seriously & actually (like you said) slightly more humble.
why mario (smg4) is giving
old and modern Patrick vibes like when the old Patrick was an idiot but loved by every spongebob fans but now modern Patrick is just a sociopathic prick
The modern Patrick ur refering to is older then most people who watch SMG4 nowadays. The actual modern Patrick is more in line with his season 1-3 counterpart as of now.
season 5-8 patrick was just a prick and could get away with everything just because he was ''stupid''
ironically enough, Old SMG4 Mario was more a sociopathic prick than the New one-
the old one really had basically no real friends and was a major asshole, the new one has an entire family's worth of buddies and can be chummy with them, even getting very sad over them being hurt.
SMG4 Mario back then: I'm stupid,but I'm also funny,heroic and an actual person who keeps things from being boring
SMG4 Mario now: No ElEcTrIcItY mAkEs MaRiO gO cOo CoO cRaZy
"if someone ruins your life,then ruin theirs in your way"
-my advice to mario (or what mario is literally just doing rn)
This is why I absolutely Had it with SMG4 Mario, he's giving me Patrick vibes, always getting into Trouble, and always Addicted to Spaghetti, I honestly hate the Time his Mustache Grows big and Eye's were Crossed, he is more like a Mindless Plumber, Unlike the Actual Nintendo Mario, which is more Smarter and Cared more about his Friends.
then you remember that in the revelations era movie, he actually makes himself useful. that's the best mario we'd ever see, and will never see again.
Back then: Fun miscellaneous adventures
Now: Cringeworthy modern meme arcs
I feel you. I feel like now Mario's a childish idiot rather than just... an idiot. I don't know how to put it... but classic SMG4 Mario felt more... grounded?
Yes, you're right. The characters before had personality and weren't 1-dimensional. They felt alive and were funny. Even their character flaws were funny. Now it's just taking what was already there, and just using a trope incorrectly because they don't understand humor. They made too many characters for them to handle, and now they don't know how to use any of them properly.
The fact that Luke as a kid had more funny jokes and better character writing than a company of adults is telling.
@@Mr.Guy202 Basically when you are in the era of 2020's. Everyone ran out of ideas. So their only go to was to regress their characters over and over again to compensate with their new concept
@@Mr.Guy202 luke grew up like everyone else but yeah glitch production rlly ruined smg4
@@Mr.Guy202very good point 🙏
i like the current mario and the idea of an absolute idiot being the sole purpose a universe is alive, but yeah the continuity sometimes vreajs
The difference is that modern SMG4 episodes are more slice of life than old episodes, which are usually just spontaneous adventures without much lead up. Also him as an avatar makes sense, since the rules of the Nintendo universe still apply, where he’s gonna be just fine with 1-Ups. This makes Mario one of the safest possible avatars, as it requires villains with universe-defying abilities to be an actual threat. This is why I find Mr. Puzzles problematic, because by the lore, he shouldn’t be much of a threat, yet they really want him to feel like one. Mario feels fine overall, it just feels like there’s consistency issues, just because I know a lot of minor characterizations of his character which usually get ignored. He is also barely in some of the episodes, which feels like I get cheated. Of the cast, Bob feels the least changed, and is always a pleasure to have in an episode.
The most iconic internet head-canon of the most famous video game character of all time, for more than a decade. Hats off SMG4.
I'll be honest,of all the characters, Mario is the most flanderable of all in this new era of SMG4.
Seriously,it's incredible how Mario became increasingly immature to the extreme in these new videos,doesn't stop screaming,crying and complaining like a daycare child,ruins other people's lives and feels no remorse,rarely proves to be helpful with anything in new episodes and literally needs to be treated like a baby by everyone to literally"be in his place"...Seriously it's so unbearable to watch.
Did I actually saw a critic comment about a fan canon Mario character ?
@@justajad2809 Canon or not,it's worth mentioning.
@@SparklingWithNiGHTS-yv5fe Indeed ! That's internet cultural heritage right there, gotta give Luke credit there.
The big thing though in my eyes about Mario in modern SMG4 is how he seems all too aware of the stupidity of his character and just forcibly makes it out to be him in everything he does
If I have a nickel everytime the dumb character is the most flanderized
I like to mention Mario actually was growing as a better person since 2015 where he help 2 kids who were bullied by Jr. in soccer and as we kept going up to 2018 he was more selfless then selfish dispite still doing some bad stuff he still cared for his friends and was more thoughtful and not a complete moron but then around the last half 2019 he slowly went back to his old self from 2011-2014 but worst because he isn't even funny anymore just a stupid rude guy who acts like a literal baby and lets worst people he calls "friends" abuse him alot it's pathetic
Mario is probably rude bc he is aware of the abuse?-
Finally someone who is talking about How Mario has changed in SMG4
Ikr!!
2015 Smg4 was better
@@NewyorkJKSKin your opinion
If one thing, Mario deserves better friends, and I just really wish that SMG4 and his friends finally getting the consequences they all deserved! Plus just because he did all of this that doesn’t mean he deserves the abuse!
honestly, this feels sorta like comparing homer simpson and peter griffin.
homer is overall not the best but he actively tries to improve and realizes when he crosses the line.
peter griffin is outright irredeemable 95% of the time now.
I hate how I had to start counting the times when SM64 Mario actually had his normal eye sprites instead of the wall-eyes ones because SMG4 was just so insistent he had to be visibly as dumb as possible. Now we don’t even get SM64 models at all.
to be fair theres also the theory that by now mario just pretends to be stupid
Mario after claiming his 10th victim
Bob is one of the few characters not ruined in modern SMG4 tbf
👇Team Bob
He is just like Homer from The Simpsons
Honestly, SMG4 Mario is just a lesser Homer Simpson for me. He started out as a well meaning idiot, but over the years, became just an unlikable idiot, with most of his positive aspects stripped away over the years.
Ironically Mario has gotten smarter.
The old design gave a nolstagic vibe with the animation
2:27 Speaking of which, sometimes when Mario does something or says something his friends beat him up for it, what they, I dunno... *accidentally kill him and doom their universe?*
Honestly I feel bad for Luke, I mean imagine having to make so many episodes about the same set of characters, if you think about it the same thing happened to Spongebob (I mean like how the series was ruined since Spongebob became more of a dumb4ss).
I don't think that's his fault, I think they just come up with random episodes so character balancing goes out the window
@@sh2619-v9hI don’t really blame them tbh. How the hell do you think creative after 13+ years of UA-cam. (Also they upload once a week so it’s pretty damn hard thinking creative imo)
Mario doesn't look different in the entire series to be honest.
They gave him a gmod ragdoll at one point, that's all
Mario the only reason i still watch smg4 besides him and some of villains no other character is that good
Mario is like Homer Simpson. They are both idiots but earlier seasons/ episodes had more to them, while in later seasons/ episodes it feels like the writers have run out of ideas and rely on obnoxious stupidity for humour with no depth whatsoever
At least Stacy never changed
Next Up
SMG3, Villain to Overprotective Man
Meggy, Squid to Absolute Jerk
Tari, Coward to More of a Coward
Luigi, Sibling to Gay Man
kinda like the entire spongebob series
Mario got 1 IQ and he got more dumb. How is that possible
Mario had a personality back then! He was cared about his friends (after 2014), mostly for Meggy, he even gave her spaghetti, onle one who tried to release her from rocks in anime arc, or when he cared about "SMG during Its gotta be perfect". Now he's a man child, more like Patrick from modern SpongeBob, with everyone abusing him, especially SMG4 and 3, because last wants to control him while 4 just using him for views, and i honestly like the idea of Mario becoming crazy and capturing all his friends, because his abuse most of times unjustified! He was also cared about his bro, and thanksfully he still cares, but show it now much rarely.
He's getting less screen time now, which i very dislike, and i hope they wont move on from him! He's my favourite character there!
That would actually make a good arc
@@sh2619-v9h Mario is one of the characters, that have a very big potential to be a main antagonist in movie or WOTFI! Not side antagonist, because in 2023 it was mostly Marty.
I very like the idea of Mario going against his friends on his own, not because someone is controlling him!
And many people like the idea of main character being villain, they missing a big opportunity if they dont do that.
I miss the Mario was in this game video or those Mario focus videos where he host dangerous challenges.
I would like to see if Mario was in hollow knight
In my opinon Mario should get hhis revenge arc on his friends. I know that he might be a bastard sometimes, but sometimes they push it too far with Mario
Your right but this is smg4 it probably will never happen
You know, in the lawsuit arc, I noticed that Mario was starting to have some good character development at times, I think Mario isn't that stupid, and I noticed that his relationship with Meggy was more genuine, although slightly romantic at times,( even if i didn't ship them), or maybe their "brothers" relationship was more present and united,
and Mario seemed to be getting smarter over time and there was more good and interesting content ahead that could be released in the future
like: Meggy's parents, some Cursed Tapes arc, SMG3 becoming happy by becoming a good competitor or fulfilling his dream instead of now becoming a cafe owner and half gay with SMG4, (I'm not saying it's bad but I really stopped liking how they get along)
the little appearance of other characters from other video games or from Mario himself
some reference to Sunset Paradise, or the strange Morshu appearances
I've stopped watching SMG4 because I noticed that it always It's the same pattern every few videos, everyone gets into some conflict, fights and gets back together, like some toxic couple in between.
I started watching in 2017 and got hooked IMMEDIATELY. I watched every episode that came out and everytime it was fire! There was just something that made it special and fun to watch.. but I agree with this video alot because the old Mario was alot more enjoyable and fun to watch, not too much crybaby sh*t and not too little either.. but all in all it's just my opinion
Wasnt their a episode where mario said something smart then completely dodged it.
(Luigi, toad and bowser seem like the only good characters now)
At some points he somehow is smart meaning that he just hides his real personality to people and acts like his normal self when he's alone.
That's why Modern version of the character is unlikeable because Mario back then was an actual idiot but after Atleast 10 yesrs later his intelligence increased since meme effect died down and he went back to normal Mario but he fakes it so SMG4 can make more videos.
i feel like new smg4 is way better than old smg4, its just that some of his newer videos have poorer excecution or lost their character compared to the old videos from like 2017-2020
I feel like all that SMG4 really needs is just characters being consistent (which is obvious to... many degrees) but Mario is the one that i really wished just... got more cool moments.
SMG4 Mario is one of my favorite idiot characters of all time, him being stupid is very funny to me and always was kinda was throughout the years, even when he's being unbearable, but a favorite trope of mine is stupid characters suddenly getting their shit together and locking the fuck in and doing cool shit, like, Classic Mario had a lot of that happen to him, he was stupid, sure, but he prevented many casualties early on throughout the series, and even when he caused them it was STILL funny because it was like watching this chaos gremlin go about.
Also, with everything considered, would it *really* be too far of a stretch to just say that Mario is immortal? I mean like, avatar of the universe? sure, how did he not die already? ...growing durability throughout the entire series, probably.
I originally thought SMG4 got the idea of a moronic Mario from Lemmy's Land. I was interested to know how he both came up with the idea himself and even improved him from the Lemmy's Land concept. It's disappointing to know SMG4 is slipping in his show's quality.
Also I'd love you making a video about SMG4 Luigi.
He's a really weird character to cover
@@sh2619-v9h How so, if I may ask?
Luigi in smg4 is pretty much the same seen in Nintendo media, apart from being gay
@@Toadfish10 I mainly would want to see someone cover how much he's abused.
In my opinion, I'm fine with a more unempathetic version of Mario, as long as he's funny and actually gets what he deserves at the end.
For example, in Stupid Mario Oddysey 2, it's nice to see him get crushed in the ending by the Goomba couple. Especially considering all the bad things he's done in the first one. (Still funny tho)
In Stupid Mario Galaxy, it's satisfying to see Mario get revenge on Toadsworth. In the first and second Freddy's Sphaghetteria, it's fun to see Mario lose his cool in the endings. The same applies to Luigi Hunt.
Mario's worst portrayal is in Mario gets Woke.
This is where he's all the negative traits and no redeeming ones. He not only gets away with being a complete jackass but also gets spaghetti in the end by God. (Yes, really.) I admittedly did not like that episode, he wasn't funny in that one.
Really, in the new episodes. Mario is kinda like Spongebob, went from a lovable protagonist that can show more than one emotion to a toddler who always loud and annoying.
tbh smg4 fell off in my opinion, it used to be funny because those characters were... themselves, mario and smg4 is the biggest examples of this, now they are steriotypes, not characters for me
I mean he's more of a manchild but I see your Point.
If I have to be honest smg4 Mario always felt like some sort of mentally disabled guy like yeah he is dumb but he's not stupid (not most of the time anyway) I mean count the millions of specials that had existed throughout the years like I don't know what's the name of this one but I remember but that Mario remembers Maggy putting something on his hat and he was able to figure out anyway and I love it and that's coming from someone who's not even from the smg4 fandom I'm sure you guys can tell millions of times where Mario was able to figure out something really really smart
We should do a movement like fixTF2 but for smg4
So how have you been since last time hope you got new subs 🗿
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Is there any SMG4 character you would say is still of good quality, or has even changed for the better instead of for the worst?
I think Bob, Swag Master and Chris are still consistently good
maryo should stop going crazy
Please Do Meggy Next
I Feel Like She Changed
But I Can't Point On What
I have only 1 Fatall minus about new SMG4 overall: its not funny. I remember in like 2016 i clivked on one of the old SMG4 videos and I never laughed so hard in my entire life ever again, like it was no jokes one of the best days in my life. And then i was a fan of this guy, but video after a video I wasnt laughing, but it was ok, SMG4 at least saved that interesting and randomized stories. But its slowly becoming like a some kind of a UA-cam kids but with ok stories. And now SMG4 cant make me laugh, just let me tell you why i loved THOSE characetrs and dont like their new parodies.SMG4 himself - back then was way different compare to Mario, this duo was like a SpongeBob and Squidward and it had that atmosphere, but now SMG4 is like Mario but just a little bit more chill. MArio - he was the main guy, his silly jokes for no reason was the reason why SMG4 universe was my favorite, now hes an annoying kid whose jokes are NOTHING, i dont feel anything when he makes a joke. Toad - okay guys, SMG4, Mario and Toad is one of the best trio ever, this guy was the most reliable and smartest, how hes okay with SMG4 but hates Mario is ridicilous, but now hes gone and just WHYYYYYYYY?????? Luigi - Luigi was justa guy who didnt changed and it made him special as hes the most caniest guy here, now hes just a background character for me. Fishy Boopkins - damn this one was good, Boopkins is even could be my favorite out of all characters and im not joking. Like you know, revisiting those old SMG4 videos is only for pure nostalgia and only sometimes smiling at some jokes. But Fishy Boopkins has the classic SMG4 jokes, that JPG navigator moment, moment when he was feeding his Anime girls (they were a pillow), that time when he was saving the best trio from Shyguys are funny even today, even forthe 69,9 times of rewatching those gold episodes. Overall I dont really hate new SMG4, but old one is better not because of nostalgia, but because of the jokes.
To be honest it's not Mario's fault for being stupid, it's SMG4 (the character) who made him this way for his own profit & doesn't care if it's hurting him. As long as he's famous & rich, that all that matters to him.
Everyone wanting to strangle Mario is confusing imo. I'm probably just as stupid as him but it's funny how we went from defending him in 2022 to become the attackers now
Edit: nvm. But yeah, they totally flanderized his "deserved" and "stupid" moments into pity and slap worthiness. Can't wait for the others!
I think its an overreaction everytime someone says mario has changed. I feel like he only went from stupid to stupid. Not more stupid. Just stupid.
(SMG4) Request: Meggy, Badass Girl Turned Into Punching Bag & Loud HotHead!
More like Mario, but less stupid and with anger issues.
That is coming eventually
@@minicookie7348 Yeah! That too.
I meant to say “Meggy, Badass Girl Turned Into BOTH Punching Bag & Loud HotHead”.
@@sh2619-v9h good.
@@sh2619-v9halso, would you please do some on other SMG4 characters like SMG3 & Tari?
SMG3, Evil GoofBall (Comic Relief) Turned Into Evil JackAss!
Tari, Best Character Turned Into Less Used & Underrated!
Mario has fallen off
He used to be like a nice character who cared about everybody else and not himself
Mario sometimes deserves the abuse and sometimes doesn’t
Example for the abuse being deserved is the episode “Mario Goes Coo Coo Crazy”
Where Mario just started capturing people like they were Pokemon
Example for the abuse not being deserved is the episode “The Door”
Meggy and Saiko abused Mario for opening the door i think
They even did some ritual shit on him
Like what the fuck it’s just a bloody door get over yourselves
For Mario’s character I wouldn’t compare him with Homer Simpson since Homer actually tries to be a nice guy even when he does something uncalled for
I definitely would compare him with Peter Griffin
Peter is 100% a heartless jerk and is a man child
That’s kinda the same with Mario
I would love if they did an arc where Mario just left the crew and they try to replace him but at the end of the arc they realise that Mario is the main reason why they make tons of views on the videos
They end up saying sorry to mario
Mario rejects their apology from the crew and leaves and returns to Brooklyn or Italy
SMG4 gets mad and blames the crew for what happened and fires all of them
I would imagine an emotional scene with SMG4 and SMG3 (since they friends) where SMG3 refuses to leave but smg4 threatens to kill SMG3 if he doesn’t leave and SMG3 leaves in anger and tells smg4 “F*CK YOU! WE ARENT FRIENDS ANYMORE YOU GREEDY B*STARD!”
Days later smg4 hires a new crew which are more useless then the anti cast smg3 hired in the UA-cam arc
Meanwhile SMG3 tries to convince mario to join the smg3 crew and says that he wont be abused
And Mario accepts
SMG3’s Channel grows while SMG4’s Channel dies
SMG4 goes to SMG3’s Cafe and tries to delete smg3’s channel on smg3’s computer without him looking
SMG3 catches him and slaps him
SMG4 gets even more mad and summons the new UA-cam ceo and slaps him and takes the youtube remote and deletes SMG3 from existence FOREVER
SMG3’s Crew get upset and threaten to get revenge on SMG4 one day
Weeks Later they find a way to undelete smg3
They create a warp pipe to bring smg3 out of the internet graveyard which has no ruler now since SMG3 moved out
When they get back SMG4 has God Waluigi and Other SMG4 Villains like Grand Dad and Lawyer Kong on his side
This leads into WOTFI 2024 (or 2025 if smg4 doesn’t do an arc like this year)
After all the challenges and Rap Battle and SMG4 gets Defeated
SMG4 says he’s sorry for what he did and starts crying
Everyone feels bad for smg4 and forgive him
SMG4 gets redeemed and deletes his other crew from existence
SMG4,Mario and SMG3 are all friends again
SMG4 has a video game party with his friends
Meanwhile with Lawyer Kong and the other villains
They plan revenge on SMG4 and the other crew
They create an evil version of SMG4
They say “WE WILL GET OUR REVENGE NEXT YEAR”
The Arc ends with the normal smg4 outro playing in the background
I hope you liked my arc idea
I hope they redeem Mario’s Character
Mario: No... how could SMG4 make my character into a punching bag after all I did for him? Without me he wouldn't create this amazing channel & the Amazing Digital Circus. I'm his avatar & he treats me as a man-child? ... sniff 😢
Me: No Mario don't cry! It'll be ok, trust me. Look what you did SMG4, you made the one thing that inspired your life cry! Are you happy!? 😡
Yeah like, in the older episodes, he was an idiot but not a jerk to his friends. He often wanted to help people, even if there were few times where he needed a little push from the others sometimes since he could be pretty lazy too.
The problems he caused were often because his stupidity caused his attempts to help to backfire, but he was a pretty nice character overall and could actually think of unique solutions to solve problems as well.
And he could be a bit immature and egoistic at times as well, but once again it's not too much. Unlike modern Mario who is a totally immature and egoistic man-child who only causes problems. They just took his flaws and made them his entire character.
Like for example, in the episode Mario's Hell Kitchen. In that episode, Mario is pouting because SMG4 prevents him from cooking, and when everything goes to crap, he's still pouting and refuses to help until SMG4 admits he can cook.
But when SMG4 does admit that he can cook, he immediatly jumps into action, thinking of a creative solution to have the monster they're fighting free Meggy.
Meanwhile in Mario Bakes a """"Cake"""", though I did like this episode with the funny narrator, Mario is also prevented from cooking by the narrator, but here when he does, he messes everything up, even though it's been established in the past that Mario can be pretty good at cooking.
YO
This is just the same as SpongeBob and Patrick in SpongeBob SquarePants Seasons 6, 7, 8 & 9! They even turned Mario into an (South Park) Eric Cartman Stereotype Character! Mario is now not only an idiot but an annoying bratty manchild! The RoadTrip & PlaneTrip episodes is what made me not like Mario anymore, I felt bad for both SMG4 & Karen in those episodes. I feel like Mario’s character is stale now and not as funny as it used to be, which is a shame.
"The RoadTrip & PlaneTrip episodes is what made me not like Mario anymore" Which RoadTrip episode? the old one?, the new one?, or the remastered?
Although I disagree with this video and find Mario's stupidity and most episodes to be funny, Ima say a few things.
1. Mario did gain all the knowledge in the Universe but he's stupid for the plot, he's only really stupid because the plot makes him, although if he wanted too he could manipulate the plot to make himself smart but doesn't want too. I think Mario has gained more emotionally smarter the more the series has grown.
2. I do think that some characters forgot about him being the avatar but him almost not dying doesn't make the verse explode, also is impossible for him to die, he's able to rip out his soul and survive existence erasure so that's why the verse doesn't blow up, is consistent.
3. The episode shown in the background at the end of this video is why I understand why people hate Modern SMG4 a bit, is stupid but opinions exist and so does THIS EPISODE! That one episode is the only SMG4 episode where I didn't Laugh, Cry, Smile or anything. It was literally Mario abuse the episode and I'm glad SMG4 moved on through this, only characters in character is the Mario brothers. Everyone else was just unlikeable.
4. I feel like Old Mario and Modern Mario are just the same but different humor and other different things, I don't really see a problem with them but is fine if you do. I personally think Modern SMG4 is still funny if not more funnier than before (Besides that one episode above that can burn in hell for all I care).
so I guess W Video, W Reasons although I explained why it's consistent for some things like Mario not blowing up the universe, also is not just the SMG4 Universe that blows up but the entire cosmology itself, if he dies they all die but is impossible for him to die. Anyways have a good day and I hope you understand this comment lol.
sorry if this was too long.
I mean, I guess this is the same guy that literally fell off a building in Mario Odyssey, so I guess that makes sense
@@sh2619-v9h ye lol, although I said some negatives about this, I do agree with sometimes where Mario's Stupidity can get unfunny even though I laughed or chuckled at most episodes, like the If Mario was the last man on Earth Episode and sometimes where he acts too dumb for his own good.
It's been there for classic and it's been there for modern but idk, SMG4 is SMG4 at the end of the day, he listens to his fans like with the re-designs so idk.
I think he’s more annoying than funny these days; the way he ignores others’ advice and what they have to say annoys me
Dude I don't know if you realize this but you are so mean
no
It's an opinion bruh