Dude was completely soaked in cocaine and other drugs, absentee father and mother, spoiled, no real talents or abilities other than his family fortune. it’s really tragic that Dave Schultz had to be the one to pay for his psychosis. This IS one of the best films I’ve ever seen however.
The duPont family are all inbred. They're that gross elitist old money type who have to keep marriages in the family to keep the fortune and property in the family. The man never had to live a real life, and he was a spoiled brat. I'm not surprised his delusions took him over and went full nutbar. It's a tragedy that a good person was taken away from this world over it.
Also because if this is any indication of what actually happened (I wouldn't know.), it just shows how unhinged John is, that's a very abrupt point to open fire, and a very disheartening one considering David was in complete surrender and de-escalation mode, John just was not having it and could think of nothing but fatally wounding David in the least. The fact this really happened, who this happened to, and how, is all scary fundamentally. The directors just put the icing on top by delivering it to us so well dramatically.
After watching Kurt Angle's biography I found that David Schultz was his mentor. Kurt also talked about how he trained at Foxcatcher prior and after hearing about what happened to his friend and mentor, he was really sad and devastated by his death.
i heard about this on the newest episode of WWE’s Most Wanted Treasures which was about Kurt and he talked about how the gold medal he wore when he debut in WWF was around the time the murder happened
Dude if this doesn't show how incredible of an actor Steve carell is idk what the fuck would prove it. The dude is a legitimate thespian. He fell into this role perfectly.
Lol you don't know what you're talking about. John DuPont it was nothing like the character that was portrayed here. You let that media tell you what to think, that's your problem.
The sound design is an underrated part of this scene. Movies so often have gun shots at about the same volume as dialogue, maybe slightly louder, but not uncomfortable. But real guns aren't like that, they're jarringly loud. People shooting real guns for the first time often wince from the noise. Despite being an experienced shooter myself, I actually winced the first time I saw this. They've got the sound of the gun shots dialed up to 11, and its totally unexpected compared to every other movie out there.
@@WorldsWorstBoy Honestly man I usually despise trolls in UA-cam comments but I thought the original comment was a great reference. You might want to try to find the stick that somehow got stuck up your ass, it's overdue for removal.
As the film I've studied the most for film school, I'm still in awe of the simplicity of this scene; the levels of historical sublty and growing anxiety are next level terrifying. Bennett Miller is a master of his craft.
@@itsallgoodman4108 agree everyone suckin this scenes dick.. its OK, not great whatsoever. If u want a great scene check out the gas station from no country for old men
The thing that really sickens me about this, is how Dave had his loving wife and loving kids living on this sick maniac's land, employed by him. Obviously Dave was looking after his family and the sport of wrestling and accidentally made a deal with the devil. So tragic.
Did you watch the documentary or see his daughter's statement about how it affected her? Every person there said that Dave was someone that John respected, looked up to, and was acting as a support to. He knew that it was not a good situation, but one that was under control because of the long history they had. There's home recordings before the shooting where you see all of the wrestling team hanging out around "this sick maniac" and everyone is laughing. @stirange got it right, it's a tragedy and there were warning signs. This wasn't a premeditated attack, more like a slow decline of mental health that was ignored or not noticed until there was a snap. He never made a deal with the devil, he put his future, family, and faith in someone that cared about and wanted to fund those things. Don't pretend like this was something else because you only saw the last half of the movie
Steve Carell became John du Pont in this film. A truly incredible performance. I wish he won the Academy Award, but I think we time goes on, this film and performance will be more remembered in very positive light. Seems to be an underrated film and while this film did take liberties, especially by having the Schultz brothers being on the farm at the same time likely to show their brotherly relationship that might not be shown very well if shown as it actually happened and I do wish we saw more of du Pont’s decent to what made him do this. We see hints of it in the film, though it does show how people didn’t expect him to kill anyone. He was odd and did need help with his drug and alcohol usage, on top of whatever else was wrong with him mentally, but people didn’t think he would kill anybody. There does exist a 4 to 4 and a half hour cut of this film that Bennett Miller has talked about here and there. So, in a way we’re seeing just about half of what Miller intended to show as he found that cut to be fine to show in front of an audience. I hope we get to see that on Blu-Ray at some point, perhaps released by the Criterion Collection with the theatrical cut. Regardless, this is a great film and with this film it lead to some documentaries being made about the events on Foxcatcher so we can hear the real story in addition to the feature film version that takes liberties while showing the overall decent of John du Pont as well as how the Schultz brothers interacted with each other. I hope this film will be looked at more favorably by audiences as time goes by.
It wont, the more people look into the real story the more will find out that the family of the victim have asked that people don't go and see the movie because it does not accurately portray what happen according to them.
Steve Carrell was just playing himself dialed down. His performance was unremarkable, and you could argue that is because the man he's portraying is unremarkable, but no, it's because Steve Carrell isn't one of those comedic actors who can transition into serious like a Tom Hanks, like a John C Reilly. Steve Carrell and Will Ferrell are not good at acting under realistic lenses.
Steve Carrell is known for a role on one of the funniest shows of all time. But in movies he nails these sociopath/psychopath roles. This where he shines.
3:54 Dave Schultz told him clearly he doesn't have a problem, but I guess John thought he was lying, but he wasn't, it was the honest truth, but John denied it
this was the most stressful movie I've ever seen. Its like every aspect of it is steeped in tension, and the gunshot is the line finally snapping violently
Beau Biden let off his pedo relative & they picked up an old mansion for cheap after. I only think of the DuPonts as another gIobaIist bnkster estabIishment family that sold us all out.
@@limerency5834 he still killed a guy and treated people like they were his property that he could just buy. One can try to empathise with him like you, but the other people he left in his wake matter more, just like he felt he mattered more. He never did anything about his mind, so my comment stands
Saw the documentary about this he was a sad human being who so bad wanted fo fit in but with all the money in the world even money can’t buy you friends definitely sad how a man with a family died over some rich guy who was so insecure not even money could buy that as well
But @@joelperez3159 he literally saw him pull the gun out and saw him shoot someone...why TF did he get out of the car and duck like the gun was pointed at HIM? After the first shot, he should have disarmed him.
You can tell by the lack of any feeling in his eyes, how truly mentally ill he is. Shooting the gun with zero facial expression. Not even a wince. Scary thing is, there are people in the real world exactly like this!
Someone should’ve spoken up but they’re all weak money suckling little sheep. Never eat out of someone’s hand. You can raise a family in a fuckin box and be happy despite bitch ass weak modern sentiment.
@@Metzgeweiserhe definitely had a “small man” syndrome in relation to the athletes he surrounded himself with/molested/degraded etc, he also had his testicles removed after a horse accident and clearly that would’ve had a psychological impact also, it’s a layered issue like any criminal’s psychological profile but it’s fair to say his lack of physical fitness was a reason for his obsession with athletes and his ultimate obsession with Schultz’s prowess
The fact this really happened is absolutely heartbreaking. A good hearted, hard working family man shot dead in front of his wife. Especially when he was trying to verbally disarm John with kindness and empathy before being gunned down. And to think.....he stayed for his brother's sake.
You mean DRAMATIC actor, right? Because even if it was just comedy, his acting in The Office was absolutely amazing and established him as a top actor right away.
Such sad scene . Dave in this move seem like such a big hearted guy. The way they made you love this guys charactor an to see him taken away from his family . Probally the tuffest scene i ever seen in a movie just because how drawn to the charactor i was
If you haven't seen the documentary on this - watch it. I'd never heard of anything about Foxcatcher prior, and saw both movie and documentary around the same time. What an odd situation this whole thing was...terrible it ended this way.
5:24 I'm sure the police on the phone kept telling Mrs. Schultz to hang in there and that the paramedics were on their way, even if they would arrive too late
I love how his security guard got straight out of the car in response to him murdering an innocent man. Didnt even try to stop him. He only protects people who pay him.
@@mohammadislam2324 and I literally watched a documentary on this right after I commented lol. It sounds like in real life he fired the three shots pretty quick, the guard jumped out of the car while John sped off, and he ran to Dave and gave aid to him.
My god...no words. Just knowing that this REALLY HAPPENED is so sad, seeing it tho, even tho this is a movie, and knowing it really happened really makes it worse
If you want to be a good friend be like David, doesn't get on someone for their weirdness or their abnormality's, but will still call you on your bullshit in a good way, Unfortunately some people cant tell who is truly trying to be a friend.
The issue with this movie is that i don't know anything about this incident and 90% of the time feels so slow that i get bored. Love the performances but the pacing of this movie is just extremely slow even for me that i love 3 hrs movies and slow burn movies.
4:08 Jesus he could have done it, he could have shot Dave's wife too, if John had shot Dave's wife too he could have gotten an even longer prison sentence, like 50 years without the possibility of parole
The bodyguard was hired to protect DuPont from people, he most likely never thought he would have to protect people from DuPont. By the time the three rapid fire shots were fired from the gun the security guard could not see from his position and did not know was there until it went off it was too late to do anything but jump out of the car to avoid being shot. The guard went to schultz to administer first aid and aimed a pistol at DuPont who had lowered his gun which technically removed the threat in the situation making it impossible for the security guard to legally shoot at the now unarmed and non threatening DuPont. You have watched too much CSI.
@@From-North-Jersey I watched to much CSI to observe the fact that it is entirely possible for a man who has the time to react and tell another man to put the gun down, while sitting right next to him in an enclosed space. A younger, healthier man who apparently had experience? I’ve watched too much CSI for observing the facts and concluding that as it was portrayed in the movie, the guard could have very much prevented at least the second shots from going off had he done something instead of get out? If it happened differently irl, well doesn’t matter because I’m reacting as it’s portrayed in the movie. If he was also armed, honestly that makes the lack of action that much worse. Objectively, no one needs to watch csi to conclude that doing nothing while having all the means to do something, is a thing one should shame others for. Yes, you should feel bad about your lack of action that may or may not have saved another life, we aren’t talking about random joe, he apparently had experience. He isn’t put to the same standard as a random person. And yes, you can shoot someone who still has a gun and just shot someone, I think cops call it “felony fleeing” or something, basically if they’re afraid you’re gonna get away and still pose a threat to the safety of them Or others, exact situations being people who just shot at someone, still posses the weapon and are running. He would’ve been completely justified and I find it stupid you’d think you’d find a court who’d have prosecuted him at that time, under those circumstances “man shoots and kills another man, another man shot the shooter, he now faces charges” especially once it’s found out he still had the gun. Don’t go and get yourself shot in the face thinking you cannot defend yourself from someone wielding a weapon, especially if they just just used to it to attack someone
From what I seen in documentaries and interviews, it seems none had respect for jon more than Dave. The fact that jon killed the only man who was greatful to him is beyond anything. I do agree with the movie trailer, the only thing more horrifying than the crime itself, is the man who did it.
how the fuck do you get manslaughter for driving to a dudes house with a gun and shooting him dead with someone in your passenger seat as witness. what in the fuck, that is at least 2nd degree if not flat out murder in the first. at least he died in prison but still they shouldve thrown the fucking book at him.
I imagine that the first reaction when they announced a comedy guy such as Steve Carell to perform Du Pont might've sounded like a non-sense choice. But I think it was a clever casting move. Not just because Steve is an amazing actor but because the more I see this film the more I found similarities between John and another role performed by Carell himself: Michael Scott. Just think about it. They're both kind of losers looking for external approval using their power position to achieve it. Du Pont is just the tragic flip-side of Scott.
You can see the moment that in (his mind) he realizes he’s been played by Dave and the one thing of value he got out of all of this (a real friend, a lover) has been robbed from him, in exchange for an illusion that doesn’t matter (his status as coach) mocked by the truth he now realizes everyone knows (that Dave is the real coach). So outwitted, alone, and humiliated (again, some in his head, some of it true- as Dave most certainly is playing along in this dangerous game) this repressed man is now ready to kill, in self-defense- of his own inner demons, and against the very predatory system of wealth that makes him as much a victim as everyone involved. That empathy is what Carrell expresses so well, by hardly saying a word, in the hands of a master filmmaker, saying everything.
if you sympathize with a billionaire psychotic who MURDERED IN COLD BLOOD a loving husband, brother, and father of 2 then you seriously need to think about that trail of thought and what it says of you. The victims are DAVID SCHULTZ and HIS FAMILY, there is no actual evidence of David being his "lover" so to imply that is to misrepresent a dead mans identity, and third there is no such thing as a predatory system of wealth that would make him, a near billionaire, any kind of victim especially to the point of mental or emotional "self defense" what the hell are you talking about? When someone's feelings get hurt and they shoot someone its called MURDER, no if ands or buts, and they should be punished for it to the fullest extent. Trying to victim blame Dave by saying he "most certainly is playing along in this dangerous game" as if even if someone manipulating your emotions (not what actually happened) would justify, excuse, or help to understand why you would then take a loaded gun with you when you chose to "confront" your perceived aggressor. The only reason he would bring the gun is because he was at the very least going to intimidate Dave, which means he understood its a deadly weapon therefore proving he could not have been insane in the moment.
Oustanding movie. People that call it boring are the ones that can't understand a movie until a car blows up or someone tells a fart joke...some films you actually need to think through
To be fair the movie IS really slow, lots of time passes without many major events happening. While I can see why some people consider it boring, I myself liked it very much. It's a slow-burn but one that's performances and ultimate payoff make the wait worth it.
@@AvocadoBawlz-Johnson a ton of things happened, if you missed them, it was because this is a movie that doesn't spoon feed you the plot. It's complex, like real people are. But thanks for proving my point.
It was a great prosthetic, I never saw this actor in anything before and I was thinking that nose was why. I figured he was a real life cyrano who had amazing acting chops he had never gotten any big parts because of the big schnoz. Then A friend made me watch that steaming pile "Anchor Man" and I realized the nose was fake.
Sheesh. I didn’t know this story haven’t seen the film either of course. Had no idea someone was killed. From the little I knew, and after watching this clip for some reason I assumed that Du Pont and the Schultz brothers developed a rivalry. After watching this scene, I went and watched all these videos to hear the full story and was surprised to learn that John and David were actually close friends.. and that this killing was likely just the result of a deteriorating mind and a progressive drug habit. Truly disturbing. Rip David Schultz
If he didn’t go completely off the rails he probably would’ve had a good shot at pro wrestling being a heel. His paranoid & demented demeanor are what bad guys in pro wrestling are all about. Unfortunately his “character” & insane personality turned out to be real
i still have the same question now as i did when this movie came out and when i researched the actual murder, dudes bodyguard had his own weapon and CLEARLY saw that Dave was not a threat and this was a murder he shouldve and COULDVE lit Du Pont up IMMEDIATELY after the first shot, he draws his weapon and then HIDES? The fuck man
I know it's extremely tragic that this basically happened exactly how it's depicted; there's something else correctly depicted. that man's fucken' beak. I'm sorry and I'll go away now.
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Dude was completely soaked in cocaine and other drugs, absentee father and mother, spoiled, no real talents or abilities other than his family fortune. it’s really tragic that Dave Schultz had to be the one to pay for his psychosis. This IS one of the best films I’ve ever seen however.
The duPont family are all inbred. They're that gross elitist old money type who have to keep marriages in the family to keep the fortune and property in the family. The man never had to live a real life, and he was a spoiled brat. I'm not surprised his delusions took him over and went full nutbar. It's a tragedy that a good person was taken away from this world over it.
Not having a present father hurts boys more than we can understand.
@@OriginalPuro And having a bad father hurts them even worse
A real insight into someone with no love in their life and no checks and balances. A victim and a monster rolled into one.
I swear, no amount of jump scares in horror movies made me jump as much as when he pulled that trigger. Man, these are good actors.
100% - devastatingly scary and real
Also because if this is any indication of what actually happened (I wouldn't know.), it just shows how unhinged John is, that's a very abrupt point to open fire, and a very disheartening one considering David was in complete surrender and de-escalation mode, John just was not having it and could think of nothing but fatally wounding David in the least. The fact this really happened, who this happened to, and how, is all scary fundamentally. The directors just put the icing on top by delivering it to us so well dramatically.
Should of put a gd noise warning because of the noise fucking hell some people have hyperacusis or misophonia this could cause hearing loss
I was thinking the same thing, i jumped a lot more.
Steve is. Ruffalo, not so much.
After watching Kurt Angle's biography I found that David Schultz was his mentor. Kurt also talked about how he trained at Foxcatcher prior and after hearing about what happened to his friend and mentor, he was really sad and devastated by his death.
Just like they refused to enter the school at Uvalde.
Cowards.
i heard about this on the newest episode of
WWE’s Most Wanted Treasures which was about Kurt
and he talked about how the gold medal he wore when he debut in WWF was around the time the murder happened
Kurt’s singlet for his first WWF match was a tribute to David’s signature look
It was wild watching this unfold in real life over the years. You just knew DuPont was not okay every time you saw him.
Makes me Kurt respect all the more. The man went through a ton of trials in life and still came out on top. Legend
Dude if this doesn't show how incredible of an actor Steve carell is idk what the fuck would prove it. The dude is a legitimate thespian. He fell into this role perfectly.
Lol you don't know what you're talking about. John DuPont it was nothing like the character that was portrayed here. You let that media tell you what to think, that's your problem.
@kyleskeins8553 good God, I watched a ten minute clip of a movie on UA-cam, that doesn't speak to my critical thinking skills, suck a dick friend
@@kyleskeins8553shut up with all that nonsense 😂
@@latinoviking facts matter
@@kyleskeins8553
You're the only one that has the problem here.
The acting in this movie was so great. Never has a movie made wrestling drilling look so real the way mark and Channing did at the beginning.
Channing could easily play Cael Sanderson.
the makeup (the nose) is laughable lol
It also says so much about their relationship through very little words. Just how they train.
Meanwhile the families involved say it's an awful rendition of everything that happened
@ it’s crazy cause my comment was just talking about the wrestling and acting ability, not the realistic portrayal
The sound design is an underrated part of this scene. Movies so often have gun shots at about the same volume as dialogue, maybe slightly louder, but not uncomfortable. But real guns aren't like that, they're jarringly loud. People shooting real guns for the first time often wince from the noise. Despite being an experienced shooter myself, I actually winced the first time I saw this. They've got the sound of the gun shots dialed up to 11, and its totally unexpected compared to every other movie out there.
Agreed, Heat is another film that did a great job portraying realistic gun shots.
Agreed, as someone who didn't know anything about the movie or what happened in real life, this scene kinda scared me because it sounded so real
So that's why I sharted when that happened
Gun nuts and their need to inform everyone of their obsession on ANY video that has a gun for even a second. It’s embarrassing.
It's not underrated at all. What's everyone's habit of saying everything is underrated these days? Absolute nonsense. 🤦🏼♂️🙄
Michael Scott was right at his improv class--pulling out a gun is the most exciting thing that can happen in a scene.
You're not funny or clever calling him by his character's name in The Office
@@WorldsWorstBoy I didn't. I referenced what his character in the Office said. Subtle difference. Also, your screen name checks out.
@@WorldsWorstBoy Honestly man I usually despise trolls in UA-cam comments but I thought the original comment was a great reference. You might want to try to find the stick that somehow got stuck up your ass, it's overdue for removal.
You thought you could get away with your little ruse, didn't you?
😂😂😂 thats hilarious
As the film I've studied the most for film school, I'm still in awe of the simplicity of this scene; the levels of historical sublty and growing anxiety are next level terrifying. Bennett Miller is a master of his craft.
Good luck with that film career but might i suggest less pretension and more focus on your spelling
@@itsallgoodman4108 Bro, what? If you're going to be a grammar cunt, then why the run-on sentence? At least use a comma.
@@itsallgoodman4108 ☝🏾🤓🤡
@@itsallgoodman4108 Don't be a cnt,
@@itsallgoodman4108 agree everyone suckin this scenes dick.. its OK, not great whatsoever. If u want a great scene check out the gas station from no country for old men
Steve Carell is a phenomenal actor
One of the few people that broke away from their "big hit" roles, michael scott from the office in steves case
@@systemofadown945 Robin Williams was one who did dramatic roles
Steve Carell disappeared in this movie such a amazing performance
@@systemofadown945nah the real big hit was brick tamlan in anchorman
@@theamazingandtalentedblake8296 but he wasnt known for one character like steve was for a while
Man… without context that scene was absolutely insane. I’m guessing with context… it’s also really insane. That’s hella sad.
Ya irl he though Dave was betraying him, living in the walls, and other crazy shit. Than had a shootout with the cops for a day or two.
In the movie it's equally as insane as real life. Amazing actors
In real life, there was no context. John really did just drive up and shoot Dave with no provocation.
The thing that really sickens me about this, is how Dave had his loving wife and loving kids living on this sick maniac's land, employed by him. Obviously Dave was looking after his family and the sport of wrestling and accidentally made a deal with the devil. So tragic.
Really, I only know about the good things. This murder stuff is all new to me.
Did you watch the documentary or see his daughter's statement about how it affected her? Every person there said that Dave was someone that John respected, looked up to, and was acting as a support to. He knew that it was not a good situation, but one that was under control because of the long history they had. There's home recordings before the shooting where you see all of the wrestling team hanging out around "this sick maniac" and everyone is laughing. @stirange got it right, it's a tragedy and there were warning signs. This wasn't a premeditated attack, more like a slow decline of mental health that was ignored or not noticed until there was a snap. He never made a deal with the devil, he put his future, family, and faith in someone that cared about and wanted to fund those things. Don't pretend like this was something else because you only saw the last half of the movie
@chrisclifton6800oh fuck, gottem
@chrisclifton6800you're a smart one.....not
@@Metzgeweiser That's a ton of guessing about two dead people based on a movie.
I watched this movie when it came out... i had no idea that was Mark Ruffalo and Steve Carrell. Crazy good performances.
steve carell is amazing he is terrifying in this movie
Intimidating not terrifying
Steve Carell became John du Pont in this film. A truly incredible performance. I wish he won the Academy Award, but I think we time goes on, this film and performance will be more remembered in very positive light. Seems to be an underrated film and while this film did take liberties, especially by having the Schultz brothers being on the farm at the same time likely to show their brotherly relationship that might not be shown very well if shown as it actually happened and I do wish we saw more of du Pont’s decent to what made him do this. We see hints of it in the film, though it does show how people didn’t expect him to kill anyone. He was odd and did need help with his drug and alcohol usage, on top of whatever else was wrong with him mentally, but people didn’t think he would kill anybody. There does exist a 4 to 4 and a half hour cut of this film that Bennett Miller has talked about here and there. So, in a way we’re seeing just about half of what Miller intended to show as he found that cut to be fine to show in front of an audience. I hope we get to see that on Blu-Ray at some point, perhaps released by the Criterion Collection with the theatrical cut. Regardless, this is a great film and with this film it lead to some documentaries being made about the events on Foxcatcher so we can hear the real story in addition to the feature film version that takes liberties while showing the overall decent of John du Pont as well as how the Schultz brothers interacted with each other. I hope this film will be looked at more favorably by audiences as time goes by.
he was Don Corleone mixed with Gru
It wont, the more people look into the real story the more will find out that the family of the victim have asked that people don't go and see the movie because it does not accurately portray what happen according to them.
Steve Carell's performance was completely unexceptional.
Eh, he was okay. 😂
Steve Carrell was just playing himself dialed down. His performance was unremarkable, and you could argue that is because the man he's portraying is unremarkable, but no, it's because Steve Carrell isn't one of those comedic actors who can transition into serious like a Tom Hanks, like a John C Reilly. Steve Carrell and Will Ferrell are not good at acting under realistic lenses.
Steve Carrell is known for a role on one of the funniest shows of all time. But in movies he nails these sociopath/psychopath roles. This where he shines.
You mean the office? 😂
The office is overrated as fuck
3:54 Dave Schultz told him clearly he doesn't have a problem, but I guess John thought he was lying, but he wasn't, it was the honest truth, but John denied it
He was just jealous
@@waragainstmyself1159 IS THAT A GOOD EXCUSE FOR MURDER?
this was the most stressful movie I've ever seen. Its like every aspect of it is steeped in tension, and the gunshot is the line finally snapping violently
If there's an afterlife, I hope John Du Pont knows that this is what he'll be remembered for, and not for actually doing anything meaningful
Brother, John DuPont saw Looney Tunes in his head, he doesn't give a shit
Beau Biden let off his pedo relative & they picked up an old mansion for cheap after.
I only think of the DuPonts as another gIobaIist bnkster estabIishment family that sold us all out.
He actually discovered more than 2 dozen species of birds (not that he’ll be remembered for that).
I'm pretty sure he was insane not evil
@@limerency5834 he still killed a guy and treated people like they were his property that he could just buy. One can try to empathise with him like you, but the other people he left in his wake matter more, just like he felt he mattered more. He never did anything about his mind, so my comment stands
So... is this Prison Mike's origin story?
Yes
I wonder if he made up the robbing, stealing, and kidnapping the President's son and holding him for ransom.
the tormentors were all in his mind
@@Teeveepicksuresthe dementors*
@@Tsavvvvvv damnit 😂
He knew David was really Bruce Banner, a fugitive. He did not give him a chance to turn into the hulk.
Saw the documentary about this he was a sad human being who so bad wanted fo fit in but with all the money in the world even money can’t buy you friends definitely sad how a man with a family died over some rich guy who was so insecure not even money could buy that as well
That family had alot of inbreeding because they didn't want their money going outside the actual family. Their entire family history is very odd.
RIP Dave Shultz. Absolute legend.
What really frustrates me is the other guy in the car didn't do shit.
He was an fbi agent hired to baby sit dupont....
And plus he didn't know he had a gun on him and was going to kill him
But @@joelperez3159 he literally saw him pull the gun out and saw him shoot someone...why TF did he get out of the car and duck like the gun was pointed at HIM?
After the first shot, he should have disarmed him.
@@X56th_SFS so he just sucked at his job across the board...
@@losgryfogYou just got shot trying to disarm a man who just needs to switch hands lmao
Good job Rambo
You can tell by the lack of any feeling in his eyes, how truly mentally ill he is. Shooting the gun with zero facial expression. Not even a wince. Scary thing is, there are people in the real world exactly like this!
Coked up to his brains too, I suppose
Creepy film.
Amazing what dupont got away with for such a long time.
There were red flags from dupont for decades.
Someone should’ve spoken up but they’re all weak money suckling little sheep. Never eat out of someone’s hand. You can raise a family in a fuckin box and be happy despite bitch ass weak modern sentiment.
This guy took short man complex to new heights.
Yeah you sure know what you're talking about. It wasn't him being isolated most of his life by his mom or anything like that
He was also a product of inbreeding, which explains his very odd mentality.
@@Metzgeweiserhe definitely had a “small man” syndrome in relation to the athletes he surrounded himself with/molested/degraded etc, he also had his testicles removed after a horse accident and clearly that would’ve had a psychological impact also, it’s a layered issue like any criminal’s psychological profile but it’s fair to say his lack of physical fitness was a reason for his obsession with athletes and his ultimate obsession with Schultz’s prowess
More like lows, am I right? 🥁
@@Metzgeweiserthat’s what small man syndrome is bro😂😂😂
Steve Carell funniest comedy yet!
Thank you David Shultz for giving us Kurt Angle. 🙏🏽
The fact this really happened is absolutely heartbreaking. A good hearted, hard working family man shot dead in front of his wife. Especially when he was trying to verbally disarm John with kindness and empathy before being gunned down.
And to think.....he stayed for his brother's sake.
This movie seemed primarily about how no one will address someone's mental illness if they're rich.
I never knew that Steve Carell was such a good actor.
You mean DRAMATIC actor, right? Because even if it was just comedy, his acting in The Office was absolutely amazing and established him as a top actor right away.
@@jonathanturbide2232 What's the office?
@@slimj091are you being fr?
Such sad scene . Dave in this move seem like such a big hearted guy. The way they made you love this guys charactor an to see him taken away from his family . Probally the tuffest scene i ever seen in a movie just because how drawn to the charactor i was
I mean it’s a true story. So yea….
If only it had been snowing.
If you haven't seen the documentary on this - watch it. I'd never heard of anything about Foxcatcher prior, and saw both movie and documentary around the same time. What an odd situation this whole thing was...terrible it ended this way.
5:24 I'm sure the police on the phone kept telling Mrs. Schultz to hang in there and that the paramedics were on their way, even if they would arrive too late
Gru kill Hulk.
That’s for new marvel movies
The Office caught in 4k 2 THE LAST BATCH
Stupid af 😂
I love how his security guard got straight out of the car in response to him murdering an innocent man. Didnt even try to stop him. He only protects people who pay him.
please tell me how you would disarm a man in close quarters
@@mohammadislam2324 The security guard was armed and a former USMC.
I think everyone was just shocked, and that's an insane scenario. He probably knew that man for years and couldn't believe what was happening
@@stephengrigg5988 thank you for having actual intelligence
@@mohammadislam2324 and I literally watched a documentary on this right after I commented lol. It sounds like in real life he fired the three shots pretty quick, the guard jumped out of the car while John sped off, and he ran to Dave and gave aid to him.
Fucking horrifying. steve carrell was scary in this
My god...no words. Just knowing that this REALLY HAPPENED is so sad, seeing it tho, even tho this is a movie, and knowing it really happened really makes it worse
Such a beautiful movie
I live 5 mins from the old Du Pont compound. Bunch of luxury homes now, like it never happened
are the homes at least nice looking?
@@thomasjohnson3841 yes luxury homes right off route 252 in Newtown Square PA
@@thomasjohnson3841the man did say luxury homes
@@thomasjohnson3841 I guess the old mansion, being 100 years old, might not have had the latest conveniences.
Wild. Incredible movie, perfect acting all around.
Michael, no!
I was totally bewildered when this happened, I had no idea about what the story was prior to watching the movie .. Insane and tragic ..
If you want to be a good friend be like David, doesn't get on someone for their weirdness or their abnormality's, but will still call you on your bullshit in a good way, Unfortunately some people cant tell who is truly trying to be a friend.
David did not deserve to die. My pops and I talked about how sad his death was.
Damn this kind of a stacked cast how did i hear nothing about it
The issue with this movie is that i don't know anything about this incident and 90% of the time feels so slow that i get bored. Love the performances but the pacing of this movie is just extremely slow even for me that i love 3 hrs movies and slow burn movies.
"No! Stop, John! Bad! Bad! Go sit down!"
The DuPont family seems as rotten as their legacy company, when you think about it
3:49 Do you have a problem with me? 🔫
4:08 Jesus he could have done it, he could have shot Dave's wife too, if John had shot Dave's wife too he could have gotten an even longer prison sentence, like 50 years without the possibility of parole
Well he died in jail so no he wouldn't have lol
She didn't go outside during irl as far as I know. He was shot, John left, then she came out.
@@Metzgeweiser You can find the police report online somewhere, she came out and DuPont told her to get back inside while pointing the gun at her
OK? Why are you saying it like he should have or something? Very odd
@@el34glo59 well obviously for a minute there it looked like he was going to shoot his wife too, I'm just saying!
*Ron Howard narrating* "He DID in fact have a problem."
Coward guard hiding and not even trying to take the gun from him, if that’s really how it went down. Dude wasn’t even looking at you
The bodyguard was hired to protect DuPont from people, he most likely never thought he would have to protect people from DuPont. By the time the three rapid fire shots were fired from the gun the security guard could not see from his position and did not know was there until it went off it was too late to do anything but jump out of the car to avoid being shot.
The guard went to schultz to administer first aid and aimed a pistol at DuPont who had lowered his gun which technically removed the threat in the situation making it impossible for the security guard to legally shoot at the now unarmed and non threatening DuPont. You have watched too much CSI.
@@From-North-Jersey I watched to much CSI to observe the fact that it is entirely possible for a man who has the time to react and tell another man to put the gun down, while sitting right next to him in an enclosed space. A younger, healthier man who apparently had experience? I’ve watched too much CSI for observing the facts and concluding that as it was portrayed in the movie, the guard could have very much prevented at least the second shots from going off had he done something instead of get out?
If it happened differently irl, well doesn’t matter because I’m reacting as it’s portrayed in the movie. If he was also armed, honestly that makes the lack of action that much worse. Objectively, no one needs to watch csi to conclude that doing nothing while having all the means to do something, is a thing one should shame others for. Yes, you should feel bad about your lack of action that may or may not have saved another life, we aren’t talking about random joe, he apparently had experience. He isn’t put to the same standard as a random person.
And yes, you can shoot someone who still has a gun and just shot someone, I think cops call it “felony fleeing” or something, basically if they’re afraid you’re gonna get away and still pose a threat to the safety of them Or others, exact situations being people who just shot at someone, still posses the weapon and are running.
He would’ve been completely justified and I find it stupid you’d think you’d find a court who’d have prosecuted him at that time, under those circumstances “man shoots and kills another man, another man shot the shooter, he now faces charges” especially once it’s found out he still had the gun.
Don’t go and get yourself shot in the face thinking you cannot defend yourself from someone wielding a weapon, especially if they just just used to it to attack someone
Why he didn’t grab the gun from him in the car is the saddest part
or use his own
From what I seen in documentaries and interviews, it seems none had respect for jon more than Dave. The fact that jon killed the only man who was greatful to him is beyond anything. I do agree with the movie trailer, the only thing more horrifying than the crime itself, is the man who did it.
Why couldn’t it have been snowing? If only it had been snowing! 😭
Best Mark Ruffalo death ever
nice a comment bot what a way to get your stats up
Don't inbreed, is the lesson here.
how the fuck do you get manslaughter for driving to a dudes house with a gun and shooting him dead with someone in your passenger seat as witness. what in the fuck, that is at least 2nd degree if not flat out murder in the first. at least he died in prison but still they shouldve thrown the fucking book at him.
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I imagine that the first reaction when they announced a comedy guy such as Steve Carell to perform Du Pont might've sounded like a non-sense choice. But I think it was a clever casting move. Not just because Steve is an amazing actor but because the more I see this film the more I found similarities between John and another role performed by Carell himself: Michael Scott. Just think about it. They're both kind of losers looking for external approval using their power position to achieve it. Du Pont is just the tragic flip-side of Scott.
And while Michael Scott can sometimes be a comedically good boss.. Du Pont is just, sad.
You can see the moment that in (his mind) he realizes he’s been played by Dave and the one thing of value he got out of all of this (a real friend, a lover) has been robbed from him, in exchange for an illusion that doesn’t matter (his status as coach) mocked by the truth he now realizes everyone knows (that Dave is the real coach). So outwitted, alone, and humiliated (again, some in his head, some of it true- as Dave most certainly is playing along in this dangerous game) this repressed man is now ready to kill, in self-defense- of his own inner demons, and against the very predatory system of wealth that makes him as much a victim as everyone involved. That empathy is what Carrell expresses so well, by hardly saying a word, in the hands of a master filmmaker, saying everything.
if you sympathize with a billionaire psychotic who MURDERED IN COLD BLOOD a loving husband, brother, and father of 2 then you seriously need to think about that trail of thought and what it says of you. The victims are DAVID SCHULTZ and HIS FAMILY, there is no actual evidence of David being his "lover" so to imply that is to misrepresent a dead mans identity, and third there is no such thing as a predatory system of wealth that would make him, a near billionaire, any kind of victim especially to the point of mental or emotional "self defense" what the hell are you talking about? When someone's feelings get hurt and they shoot someone its called MURDER, no if ands or buts, and they should be punished for it to the fullest extent. Trying to victim blame Dave by saying he "most certainly is playing along in this dangerous game" as if even if someone manipulating your emotions (not what actually happened) would justify, excuse, or help to understand why you would then take a loaded gun with you when you chose to "confront" your perceived aggressor. The only reason he would bring the gun is because he was at the very least going to intimidate Dave, which means he understood its a deadly weapon therefore proving he could not have been insane in the moment.
A lover...? But besides, wow, great take on the situation in Johns mind.
Date night it’s a beautiful movie from blue pictures classics and Annapurna pictures.
Oustanding movie. People that call it boring are the ones that can't understand a movie until a car blows up or someone tells a fart joke...some films you actually need to think through
To be fair the movie IS really slow, lots of time passes without many major events happening. While I can see why some people consider it boring, I myself liked it very much. It's a slow-burn but one that's performances and ultimate payoff make the wait worth it.
"Wait, wait, wait...which Avenger was John Du Pont??"
One of my favorite films is bladerunner 2049, and it breaks my heart when people say it's boring.
It's boring because nothing happens and it's pointless.
@@AvocadoBawlz-Johnson a ton of things happened, if you missed them, it was because this is a movie that doesn't spoon feed you the plot. It's complex, like real people are. But thanks for proving my point.
All I can see is Steve Carell doing the Bruce Almighty scene when he makes the crazy faces while he's pulling the trigger
I always forget Steve Carrel played this role. This is a really sad story for everyone involved. Even DuPont
One of the greatest piano pieces of all time - Fur Alina by Arvo Part.
The Kurt Angle doc brought me here he was there during that time
THE SECURITY DETAIL WITH JOHN HAD A GUN THE WHOLE TIME AND COULD HAVE STOPPED THE SHOOTING!?
The US Olympic team is at just as much fault for this they knew he was a problem and stayed for his money Kurt admitted this
Steve carell is very good at playing the villain
I could never get over the makeup. It just looked like a prosthetic nose and took me out of every scene.
Because it was 🤷
That entire family had alot of inbred children. He was a consequence of that.
It was a great prosthetic, I never saw this actor in anything before and I was thinking that nose was why. I figured he was a real life cyrano who had amazing acting chops he had never gotten any big parts because of the big schnoz. Then A friend made me watch that steaming pile "Anchor Man" and I realized the nose was fake.
I didn't know there was a movie about john Dupont and Dave Schultz
Nah, Bro decided to Murder the Hulk!
Damn good movie
Sheesh. I didn’t know this story haven’t seen the film either of course. Had no idea someone was killed. From the little I knew, and after watching this clip for some reason I assumed that Du Pont and the Schultz brothers developed a rivalry. After watching this scene, I went and watched all these videos to hear the full story and was surprised to learn that John and David were actually close friends.. and that this killing was likely just the result of a deteriorating mind and a progressive drug habit. Truly disturbing. Rip David Schultz
This is what Buster Bluth would be like in real life
4:21 STOP JOHN HE'S ALREADY DEAD, may God have mercy on your soul!
jesus christ how often do you wanna comment on a singular video
@@minimistmoehre6400 it's a free country!
this is some autism bro...
If he didn’t go completely off the rails he probably would’ve had a good shot at pro wrestling being a heel. His paranoid & demented demeanor are what bad guys in pro wrestling are all about. Unfortunately his “character” & insane personality turned out to be real
Carrel nail it
Heartbreaking
Not going to lie i enjoy the fake screams of Mark Ruffalo ya know since in real life he openly mourned and gave a shout-out to "Jojo the p*d*" 🤮
Huh?
This was good movies
$35M from his death.. which was probably really $9M if you take out the lawyers fees and state taxes/trust funds
Honestly it would be great that real Kurt Angle got involved in the movie but he declined
Boy this film is underrated.
I thought it good
It was overrated Oscar-Bait trash that was justifiably forgotten. There was no reason to make this event into a movie, it was utterly pointless.
@@AvocadoBawlz-Johnsonsays who?
John Du Pont was from a very generous wealthy family who have given millions to various charities in America.
I know Steve has a big nose but damn…that’s got to be a prosthetic
It is
It’s an ear lobe
Dude next to him in the car should have been charged as an acomplice
Crazy Man ! Wonderful filme
This represents all mammys boys
I feel like i would have a better understanding of whats going on if i watched the rest of the movie first.
i still have the same question now as i did when this movie came out and when i researched the actual murder, dudes bodyguard had his own weapon and CLEARLY saw that Dave was not a threat and this was a murder he shouldve and COULDVE lit Du Pont up IMMEDIATELY after the first shot, he draws his weapon and then HIDES? The fuck man
A monster created by an ascendingly decaying system.
I know it's extremely tragic that this basically happened exactly how it's depicted; there's something else correctly depicted. that man's fucken' beak. I'm sorry and I'll go away now.
I can't believe he just shot him like that, what a psycho.
He’s mentally ill
Fine. ill rewatch the office.
Old man micheal is evil
Why did the dude in the passenger seat (who sees John reach for the gun) not react to it until it’s out the window? Huge continuity issue….