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@@spaulagain ludicrous $28 million an episode amounts to $112 million for 2 hours and 20 minutes of screentime. That is actually lower hunter then most films. The show is aiming for a show that looks like a movie
$200 million? That’s $30 million dollars higher than the budget for Top Gun: Maverick. This means that it is cheaper to get Tom Cruise, Lady Gaga and the U.S Navy than it is to make the acolyte.
@@JKissoon1 Definitely true, and that probably did help keep the budget where it was. That being said, the movie that put Tom Cruise in an actual fighter jets that took off from an actual aircraft carrier, cost less than the show that was filmed almost entirely on a soundstage and had very little major star power. There are fan films on UA-cam that look fairly comparable to many of the scenes in the Acolyte. And I know they didn’t cost $230 million.
Read that report in more detail Kristian... the 180 million reported budget was in UK pounds... the conversion into USD then reaches 230 million... thats where the misunderstanding resides...
This was literally my main complaint when the $100m budget was known. Now, it’s more than double? Episodes 3 & 7 could’ve been shot the same day and just edited to be two different episodes..how many times did they visit the forest set piece? This is pathetic af and if I were a shareholder, I’d demand an investigation/audit the same way Ubisoft investors are demanding the same.
Megalopolis is COMPLETELY different to these other situations. Say what you will about the movie, but this is a 40 years in the making project self-proclaimed “fable” directed/written/produced and almost entirety self-financed by a dying 85 year old man who has bankrupted himself multiple times over in the name of art and who secured his legacy long ago, dedicated to his late wife who never got to see it. It was just about getting it made. Sometimes that is enough.
I would love to see Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman host the Oscars, not as themselves, but as Deadpool & Wolverine in costume.That would be amazing plus poking fun at the actors.
The Acolyte does not even looks that good visually and the actors are not super expensive A-listers on a season 1 so the actors had not negotiated huge contracts ala Stranger Things, something is really strange and needs an investigation.
The actors from Stranger Things were not famous when they made season 1, so they couldn't really command a lot of money. The only actors on that show who people would have recognized were Winona Ryder and Matthew Modine. It wasn't until the show got to later seasons that they would have received a raise which makes sense because popular shows become more expensive that longer they run.
@@farakhhanif that what i mean the costs of ST are explained because of the gigantic renegotiations from the main cast but in the Acolyte it was all new actors on a season 2 contract so why the show was so expensive?
@@martinavila7401 Okay. Then we're on the same page. I thought you meant that ST actors were famous before the show started airing. I think it might have something to do with the strikes during filming.
I’m genuinely convinced that the only explanation as to how these shows look like they should cost only half of what the real budget was is because someone somewhere in embezzling the rest of the budget. I literally can’t think of any other reason why the budget is so overbloated.
57:02 Rocha, thank you for this. I lost my great great aunt earlier this year, and the pain still hasn't gone away. She played a huge hand in helping to raise me, and I hadn't seen/talked to her as much as I could have the last few years leading up to her death, but I did happen to visit in time to make her laugh one last time. I've been working on cherishing the memories & lessons she taught me instead of living in the pain of her absence, and your words hit extra close to home. Thank you
Damn Rocha crushed! Also Acyte's budget is one of the biggest mysteries ever to me... someone walked away from the set with a new hokiday house with that missing money lol... it SURE wasnt on the screen!
@@AverageJoe483 Rocha can have hot takes for sure, he speaks what crosses his mind a lot of times w/o considering everything. For the first few weeks he was really high on the Acolyte train but he was man enough to admit he was wrong and was giving the writers too much credit around episode 3-4 I think it was he was starting to turn and by episode 6 I think he was done with it.
Acolyte thought: The Budget did not show up on screen. The pros being: makeup and costume. That would leave exorbitant actor salaries and high location charges. I guess everyone stayed in boutique hotels for extra time than required. Malfeasance by the insurance company who insured this. Lucas studio executives should be held accountable! What is happening over there?
I liked the Acolyte, but that budget is absolutely bonkers! There was enough of an audience for the Acolyte that if they had told that story on a much smaller budget then it would have justified it’s existence. Like you’ve said before, you can make something for a specific audience but the budget has to be in line with the size of the audience you’re appealing to
They should take notes from my local pizzeria. In order to launder money you have to provide the best quality in town, so no one bats an eye. Star Wars is the most obvious money laundering scheme of all time.
Another thing that baffles me about the budget of The Acolyte is that - having worked in the political sphere in the UK - I know the the UK Governement were falling over backwards to give tax breaks and special investment deals to high end productions to attract more of them to continue the tradition of filming in the UK. So yes...its expensive to shoot on location, yes the UK isnt the cheapest place in the world, but they filmed with all the tax advantages they could possibly have had to help them cut their overall production costs too.
Addendum to the above (I commented before I got to the point in the show where Rocha helpfully cited the Forbes article). That point was, of course, covered Caroline's Forbes article. Having now looked at that article what strikes me is that aside from the wage bill being so high, it's only a fraction of the overall "production costs" I i.e. costs that do not include any wages paid by the production company. So any costs outside of that either are people being paid through other companies (and not the production company itself) or the actual costs of production. And regardless of which it is, when you take out staff wages for 300+ people we already know about...that's a lot of money for what seems like little result.
I'm glad The Wild Robot is doing well, saw it this weekend and it's up there with Dune & Challengers as the best movies of the year for me. Its such a simple story but they executed it so well
Correct my math if I'm wrong but the cost per hour for The Acolyte was ~$42M. The cost per hour for House of the Dragon Season 2 was ~$22M. There's no question which show looked better, had better writing, and better acting. Lucasfilm is running Star Wars into the ground.
I remember back in the late 2000s early 2010s, loads of shows were getting cancelled because they were “Too Expensive” Nowadays, that’s a ridiculous excuse.
Regarding your comment Kristian over the budgets of The Alcolyte and Indiana Jones latest movie brings me back to my misgivings with Iger. Tons of people seem to think Iger is this great savior of Disney. Alot of crap happened on his watch prior to and after Chapek, and yet many people love to overlook Iger's failures.
I think it’s cuz of circumstances of events and just how they ultimately have played out and which direction they’ve gone has sorta shifted everything to chapek is negative and Iger swoops in to save the day
if u actually think about it. Jackman is on screen with his face the whole time. Reynolds is off screen and a body double for most of the film Jackman takes the film to the next level
It’s honestly more patronizing to defend KK by saying Disney shouldn’t trust her with money to make Star Wars than it would be to just hold her accountable for her poor choices and lack of understanding of the Star Wars fan base. She’s the head of Lucasfilm and has made several 100 million dollar movies, how can you blame Disney execs (who are probably terrible people) for trusting her with a large budget for a Star Wars streaming show, which should be an easy hit? She couldn’t make the layup that was Kenobi or the trick shot that was The Acolyte. Disney won’t remove her from Lucasfilm, but they also can’t really tighten her purse strings for a variety of public relations reasons. I agree, it’s just a huge mess at this point.
Also: Without Coppola, there would probably be no Lucas. Coppola produced both THX 1138 and American Graffiti. And before that Francis gave George one of his first film jobs on The Rain People. Francis and John Milius also wanted Lucas to direct Apocalypse Now. Francis is 85 and deserves our respect. I doubt he’ll make another film. And yes, it’s a shame that his new one isn’t a better final work.
It does seem Acolyte is the piñata of all things nerd. I kind of agree Mike Joyce but it's example of crazy budget & bad story & high price actors & short episodes with negative views returned
Seems like people will still be talking about The Acolyte for many years to come. I suspect these Disney Plus failures will hurt the success of future SW movies.
glad you came around or were always wise to Deadpool/wolverine being considerably LESS than DP 1 or DP2. deadpool/wolverine was just plain BAD ie: IT STINKS
Kristian, this may be crazy, but given this new information about the actual cost of the Acolyte, there’s one thing we have to ask. Where was Rob Zombie when this show was being made? Could this be another Munsters situation? 😉
Speaking of how far problematic has gone. There is a content warning before reruns of The Andy Griffth show on the channel I watch in Canada. I found that a little extreme. Lol. Thanks for the great content.
I’m not a wrestling guy and watched the Mr McMahon doc, being that I know very little I actually really enjoyed it. Basically learned about everything that happened in that doc/in wrestling history for the first time which was an interesting experience.
Can someone please explain to me why Disney would care how many minutes it was watched? Doesn’t it only matter if they attract new subscribers? I guess they do have ads now for a small amount of the subscribers that might offset sone of the budget but really they don’t get much money for more minutes watched. I think they care more if it is critically successful and received well so they can release it on physical media and make money back. That’s why Acolyte was cancelled. They don’t think people would buy it on physical media to offset sone of the costs. But either way they have to spend money to give their customers something to watch so there is no churn
Someone asked about people walking out during a movie. The two biggest i’ve ever noticed were actually for two I really liked: Neon Demon and Tree of Life.
A 2 hour 20 minute Rise of Skywalker cost $416 million. It’s not crazy to think a 5 hour Star Wars show would cost $230 million. They built numerous detailed sets. They had more VFX than you realize and then there’s all the creature design and practical effects. They filmed in Portugal too. And Star Wars costumes are notoriously expensive according to Gareth Edwards. Finally, they shot in Covid which added a ton of cost to huge productions like this. Acolyte was green lit in 2019, when Disney was all in on their new streaming service.
What creature designs? The bugs that were in it for 3 minutes tops or the makeup for character’s that show up for 1 scene. As for sets the intricate sets that they built only to be in for 5 minutes like the town and tavern in the beginning while the spaces they spent the most time in were plain and boring like the Jedi Temple they always cut back to for Venestra or the fortress of the witches.
I rolled my eyes when I saw the image of the kid from Family Matters in the upcoming Star Wars TV series. After the Lizzo and Jack Black debacle you’d think Lucasfilm would have learned their lesson. I guess i’ll sit here and patiently wait for Andor 2.
The show wasnt terrible in my opinion, it had some good points, very good choreography and costuming but $200 million?!?? No way... Rings of Power season 2 will be about $700mill and a third of that was just to the Tolkien estate alone.. And you can see the money on screen every second of every episode. People can say what they want but there is nothing that compares in the balance of the budget and the top knotch quality besides maybe peak Game of Thrones. And still doesnt look that good. The most big budget scene i can recallin Acolyte is when Osha crashed the ship and once again when Sol crashed his ship. Besides that, are you fkn kidding me?!!
If they overspend and don't get the results they're after they won't be confident making any more...hench The Acolyte. A story that will never be concluded leaving fans unsatisfied and hesitant to put time into anything else!!
@@TyrellMunson that’s more an issue of the writers being arrogant and not giving the show a proper conclusion. I think it’s funny that a bunch of dumb executives were duped into giving a group of artists a ton of money.
Like Harloff always says about a Terminator film. Give me a barebones, small indie scifi star wars film for 50 to 100 million. Hell, pick ur the lot of all the great fan film creators out there.
I got movie fatigue once, just for the heck of it back in 2021 I decided to try watching a new film every night for the year, just to see how far I'd make it. I made it about 2 and a half months and just had to stop. Watching a whole movie is so mentally taxing, like reading a whole book or watching a whole season of TV all at once, I reached a point where I just mentally couldn't handle jumping into another world with a different story and fresh set of characters, again, the thought made me feel sick.
The Acolyte, i enjoyed, but when watching it, the quality seemed cheaper, i would have watched a second one, but that cost way too much. I did not see the value in the budget.
Did Wandavision did well internationally? Its a similar provincial storyline than Agatha bit definitely a way more popular character that had already been in the biggest mcu movies.
I guess the people who keep typing sassy comments about Coppola’s new film are too young to understand his importance in American cinema history. I hope I live long enough to see a world where Rotten Tomatoes scores and North American opening weekend box office numbers are no longer the indicators of a film’s worth. Megalopolis is indeed a hugely flawed film but you know what? i’m glad it exists. Hey Kids: Resist the temptation to rewatch Deadpool and Wolverine for a seventh time and go watch Coppola’s 1974 masterpiece, The Conversation.
Ok boomer. Stop telling people how to feel and what to do with their money. Just cause someone did great in the past doesn’t mean they get a free check for the rest of their life on all the projects they make.
@@venenders170 You kids are free to watch and enjoy anything that makes you happy. That said, it would be nice if those of you who’ve recently spent so much time cheering for Francis to fail could at least familiarise yourself with his filmography. I’m happy that Harloff and Rocha were at least being respectful when reporting on the predictable failure of his new film.
@@SoulStylistJukeBox I acknowledge what he’s done in the past and what he did for cinema but you also have to acknowledge “what have you done lately” in the creative business your only as good as your last 1 or 2 projects and there are other filmmakers around his age still making movies because they’ve grown and evolved their style and filmmaking. He clearly hasn’t as no one wanted to help financially front the film and so he had to do it himself. He wanted to make the film and have it in theaters and that’s what he got.
@@venenders170Good points. He’s 85 year old and it’s unfortunate that his final film isn’t a better one. Hopefully we’ll eventually see a longer cut. As I watched it this past weekend I could tell that lots of it was cut so that the run time wouldn’t go too far over 120 minutes. I’m convinced much of what he chose to remove made it a stronger film.
How many subscribers does Disney plus have? 153.6 million. So basically the Acolyte is paid for by $1.50 from each subscriber. If the show airs over two months you are talking $1.50 Out of anywhere from $20 to $40 depending on package. That’s not a big percentage when you consider Star Wars and Marvel are there flagship shows. That plus the show will be on the service for years.
@@KHeisig75 I’m guessing you got the introductory offer. The vast majority are paying $10 for basic or $16 for premium. So if you average that to $12 a month they are making 2 billion a month. So 24 Billion a year. The total global box office of all studios combined in 2023 was 33.5 billion. That’s why they spend $230 million on an 8 episode series that can up there subscriber numbers for two months and beyond and add to their content. They have to build a library of compelling content.
@@chrisrevel2801 of course. But anyone knows that when starting a new business there are going to be a few years where they have to build the business up and spend a certain amount to get subscribers and then they cut back because the business is now built. You see this with Iger saying that they are going to cut back Disney and Marvel shows to 1 a year. It isn’t necessarily that the shows didn’t help them gain subscribers it’s just now that they have a certain amount of subscribers they aren’t going to spend as much in content. They already have tons of content now and are hoping cutting back two a few shows a year keeps the subscribers. If they see churn they will ramp up production again. But it’s hardly surprising in an era of rampant inflation that a show will. OST $28 million an episode if they are aiming for a show that stands up to film.
@@mrfloosak spotify started in 2008 , they don't pay for content but they still have to turn a profit ... so far they have lost around 5 billion . Streaming killed the music industry , i don t see how hollywood would make it work
Not trying to be an ass but if you guys read my comments you would know it's bob iger making the decisions. Qnd you can ablut this in the new york times.
@TheKristianHarloff go the new york times look up the article titled the disney coupe and it goes into detail on how bob iger never really let his power as ceo go even after bob chapek took the title of ceo. Its a long article but explains so much of the decisions being made at the entertainment level of disney.
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Money laundering, thats the only thing that explains the Acolyte's insane budget.
@@spaulagain ludicrous $28 million an episode amounts to $112 million for 2 hours and 20 minutes of screentime. That is actually lower hunter then most films. The show is aiming for a show that looks like a movie
No, they just had next level craft service for the crew😅😅
$200 million? That’s $30 million dollars higher than the budget for Top Gun: Maverick. This means that it is cheaper to get Tom Cruise, Lady Gaga and the U.S Navy than it is to make the acolyte.
Lady Gaga? Am I missing something?
@@masamune2984 She wrote and performed a song for the movie.
IIRC, the government will give money/equipment to a studio if the movie is portraying them in a positive light. So that might not have been a cost.
@@JKissoon1 Definitely true, and that probably did help keep the budget where it was. That being said, the movie that put Tom Cruise in an actual fighter jets that took off from an actual aircraft carrier, cost less than the show that was filmed almost entirely on a soundstage and had very little major star power. There are fan films on UA-cam that look fairly comparable to many of the scenes in the Acolyte. And I know they didn’t cost $230 million.
That’s just too freaking funny man😂
That money's not on the screen, it's in a bank account in Belize.
$200m obviously went to Darth Plagueis....he ain't cheap!
If Hugh didn’t get nominated for Logan, he sure as hell ain’t getting nominated for Deadpool and Wolverine
7 years is also a big difference in terms of where comic book movies r at in our circles tho, a lot more universally accepted now
Read that report in more detail Kristian... the 180 million reported budget was in UK pounds... the conversion into USD then reaches 230 million... thats where the misunderstanding resides...
This was literally my main complaint when the $100m budget was known. Now, it’s more than double? Episodes 3 & 7 could’ve been shot the same day and just edited to be two different episodes..how many times did they visit the forest set piece? This is pathetic af and if I were a shareholder, I’d demand an investigation/audit the same way Ubisoft investors are demanding the same.
And Game of Thrones' Final Season cost under 100 million and it looked crazy epic / grand like a 300 million film!!
Megalopolis is COMPLETELY different to these other situations. Say what you will about the movie, but this is a 40 years in the making project self-proclaimed “fable” directed/written/produced and almost entirety self-financed by a dying 85 year old man who has bankrupted himself multiple times over in the name of art and who secured his legacy long ago, dedicated to his late wife who never got to see it.
It was just about getting it made. Sometimes that is enough.
I would love to see Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman host the Oscars, not as themselves, but as Deadpool & Wolverine in costume.That would be amazing plus poking fun at the actors.
Maybe for one bit. But they would never have them host in character.
The Acolyte does not even looks that good visually and the actors are not super expensive A-listers on a season 1 so the actors had not negotiated huge contracts ala Stranger Things, something is really strange and needs an investigation.
The actors from Stranger Things were not famous when they made season 1, so they couldn't really command a lot of money. The only actors on that show who people would have recognized were Winona Ryder and Matthew Modine. It wasn't until the show got to later seasons that they would have received a raise which makes sense because popular shows become more expensive that longer they run.
@@farakhhanif that what i mean the costs of ST are explained because of the gigantic renegotiations from the main cast but in the Acolyte it was all new actors on a season 2 contract so why the show was so expensive?
@@martinavila7401 Okay. Then we're on the same page. I thought you meant that ST actors were famous before the show started airing. I think it might have something to do with the strikes during filming.
I’m genuinely convinced that the only explanation as to how these shows look like they should cost only half of what the real budget was is because someone somewhere in embezzling the rest of the budget. I literally can’t think of any other reason why the budget is so overbloated.
57:02 Rocha, thank you for this. I lost my great great aunt earlier this year, and the pain still hasn't gone away. She played a huge hand in helping to raise me, and I hadn't seen/talked to her as much as I could have the last few years leading up to her death, but I did happen to visit in time to make her laugh one last time. I've been working on cherishing the memories & lessons she taught me instead of living in the pain of her absence, and your words hit extra close to home. Thank you
I love these Harloff/Rocha Mondays!
Megalopolis was something. Didn't hate it or love it. It's definitely all over the place. Some actors committed to the script and others are there.
Maybe they Steak and Lobster ever day for the Craft catering services on set. Or the director learned to hide budget money, from her former employer.
Ding ding ding, I think you hit the nail on the head with your second point.
Damn. I really liked the acolyte, but for that amount of money.. it’s NOT on the screen…
Damn Rocha crushed!
Also Acyte's budget is one of the biggest mysteries ever to me... someone walked away from the set with a new hokiday house with that missing money lol... it SURE wasnt on the screen!
Rocha lost all my respect after his rant about the fans being anti - woman for not liking this show
@@AverageJoe483 Rocha can have hot takes for sure, he speaks what crosses his mind a lot of times w/o considering everything. For the first few weeks he was really high on the Acolyte train but he was man enough to admit he was wrong and was giving the writers too much credit around episode 3-4 I think it was he was starting to turn and by episode 6 I think he was done with it.
Love these shows only bad thing I miss live shows airing so early but the interaction with viewers & conversations is worth watching
Don’t the studios hide their overhead costs in those things? Their overhead - the property, execs, insurance - must be enormous!
Acolyte thought: The Budget did not show up on screen. The pros being: makeup and costume. That would leave exorbitant actor salaries and high location charges. I guess everyone stayed in boutique hotels for extra time than required. Malfeasance by the insurance company who insured this. Lucas studio executives should be held accountable! What is happening over there?
Loved Megalopolis once I realised its not the epic drama it was marketed as. But after watching the movie I’m guessing that was the strategy. Haha
This was Kathy's passion project... it was her baby.
Money was no concern... it was gonna be her magnum opus. 😄
I liked the Acolyte, but that budget is absolutely bonkers! There was enough of an audience for the Acolyte that if they had told that story on a much smaller budget then it would have justified it’s existence. Like you’ve said before, you can make something for a specific audience but the budget has to be in line with the size of the audience you’re appealing to
They should take notes from my local pizzeria. In order to launder money you have to provide the best quality in town, so no one bats an eye. Star Wars is the most obvious money laundering scheme of all time.
Another thing that baffles me about the budget of The Acolyte is that - having worked in the political sphere in the UK - I know the the UK Governement were falling over backwards to give tax breaks and special investment deals to high end productions to attract more of them to continue the tradition of filming in the UK. So yes...its expensive to shoot on location, yes the UK isnt the cheapest place in the world, but they filmed with all the tax advantages they could possibly have had to help them cut their overall production costs too.
Addendum to the above (I commented before I got to the point in the show where Rocha helpfully cited the Forbes article).
That point was, of course, covered Caroline's Forbes article.
Having now looked at that article what strikes me is that aside from the wage bill being so high, it's only a fraction of the overall "production costs" I
i.e. costs that do not include any wages paid by the production company. So any costs outside of that either are people being paid through other companies (and not the production company itself) or the actual costs of production. And regardless of which it is, when you take out staff wages for 300+ people we already know about...that's a lot of money for what seems like little result.
Massive Undertaker fan here 🖐
The streak should have NEVER ended!!!
No one deserves or, to this day, deserved to break that record!!!
Agreed his legacy would've been better if remained undefeated
These super high budgets feel like someone is robbing/scamming someone.
I'm glad The Wild Robot is doing well, saw it this weekend and it's up there with Dune & Challengers as the best movies of the year for me. Its such a simple story but they executed it so well
I LOVED the wild robot even transformers one it’s been a great year for animation so far
Correct my math if I'm wrong but the cost per hour for The Acolyte was ~$42M. The cost per hour for House of the Dragon Season 2 was ~$22M. There's no question which show looked better, had better writing, and better acting. Lucasfilm is running Star Wars into the ground.
Maybe this show was Kennedy’s baby? Like she saw sure thing in it? But yeah. Where did the money go?
I truly want to see an expense sheet for productions of this magnitude. I want to know where every single dollar was allocated towards
I remember back in the late 2000s early 2010s, loads of shows were getting cancelled because they were “Too Expensive”
Nowadays, that’s a ridiculous excuse.
What they did to Rome was a mistake
A Deadpool Oscar campaign would be hilarious but as a host I wonder if Ryan’s stick would work live.
I Def enjoy you 2. Always appreciated you guys from collider days. Keep up the great entertainment, news and takes
Maggie Smith also passed away recently.
Regarding your comment Kristian over the budgets of The Alcolyte and Indiana Jones latest movie brings me back to my misgivings with Iger. Tons of people seem to think Iger is this great savior of Disney. Alot of crap happened on his watch prior to and after Chapek, and yet many people love to overlook Iger's failures.
I think it’s cuz of circumstances of events and just how they ultimately have played out and which direction they’ve gone has sorta shifted everything to chapek is negative and Iger swoops in to save the day
if u actually think about it. Jackman is on screen with his face the whole time. Reynolds is off screen and a body double for most of the film Jackman takes the film to the next level
That's crazy! Question: Didn't they have to do reshoots on the Acolyte? I thought the direction they were going the studio didn't like it.
If they’re lying about the budget for The Acolyte, then what else are they lying about.
It’s honestly more patronizing to defend KK by saying Disney shouldn’t trust her with money to make Star Wars than it would be to just hold her accountable for her poor choices and lack of understanding of the Star Wars fan base. She’s the head of Lucasfilm and has made several 100 million dollar movies, how can you blame Disney execs (who are probably terrible people) for trusting her with a large budget for a Star Wars streaming show, which should be an easy hit? She couldn’t make the layup that was Kenobi or the trick shot that was The Acolyte. Disney won’t remove her from Lucasfilm, but they also can’t really tighten her purse strings for a variety of public relations reasons. I agree, it’s just a huge mess at this point.
Also: Without Coppola, there would probably be no Lucas. Coppola produced both THX 1138 and American Graffiti. And before that Francis gave George one of his first film jobs on The Rain People. Francis and John Milius also wanted Lucas to direct Apocalypse Now. Francis is 85 and deserves our respect. I doubt he’ll make another film. And yes, it’s a shame that his new one isn’t a better final work.
Something needs to change with this franchise. Hate to see it die. I do not want the next generation of movie goers say, “what is Star Wars?”
Money probably went to crisis manager. Heard Plagueis was a total monster on set.
It does seem Acolyte is the piñata of all things nerd. I kind of agree Mike Joyce but it's example of crazy budget & bad story & high price actors & short episodes with negative views returned
Love from the Netherlands. And I must say I Love the series Agatha All Along.
Seems like people will still be talking about The Acolyte for many years to come. I suspect these Disney Plus failures will hurt the success of future SW movies.
glad you came around or were always wise to Deadpool/wolverine being considerably LESS than DP 1 or DP2.
deadpool/wolverine was just plain BAD
ie: IT STINKS
I admire Francis Ford Coppola ambition to fund his own movie and make it for 100 million. Despite bombing at the box office.
I really enjoyed Wolfs. Made me laugh out loud quite a few times.
Yeah really good dialogue and chemistry between those two. It was a nice Saturday night movie at home
@@peteparker22 Makes me sad that there may soon be no place for films like Wolfs at movie theatres.
The movie that should be getting more love is Saturday Night. Gabriel LaBelle does a great job as Lorne Michaels. A must watch
When is the wide release? Can't wait to see it.
We took our kids to see the Wild Robot. We all really enjoyed the movie.
Kristian, this may be crazy, but given this new information about the actual cost of the Acolyte, there’s one thing we have to ask.
Where was Rob Zombie when this show was being made? Could this be another Munsters situation? 😉
Marty Byrde had a lot of fun making The Acolyte.
I wonder how much Andor season 2 will cost. Season 1 cost $250 for 12 episodes. It'll be really interesting to see and compare with the Acolyte.
Speaking of how far problematic has gone. There is a content warning before reruns of The Andy Griffth show on the channel I watch in Canada. I found that a little extreme. Lol. Thanks for the great content.
Collateral is my favourite Tom Cruise performance
I’m not a wrestling guy and watched the Mr McMahon doc, being that I know very little I actually really enjoyed it. Basically learned about everything that happened in that doc/in wrestling history for the first time which was an interesting experience.
Can someone please explain to me why Disney would care how many minutes it was watched? Doesn’t it only matter if they attract new subscribers? I guess they do have ads now for a small amount of the subscribers that might offset sone of the budget but really they don’t get much money for more minutes watched. I think they care more if it is critically successful and received well so they can release it on physical media and make money back. That’s why Acolyte was cancelled. They don’t think people would buy it on physical media to offset sone of the costs. But either way they have to spend money to give their customers something to watch so there is no churn
If they make the fifth Beverly Hills Cop movie. For the love of God, do not use CGI for John Ashton's character Taggart.
Oh boy. Megalopolis what a disaster
“I Know My First Name Is Steven”
Watched that when it aired when I was a kid too. Man, it was traumatizing!
We should drink everytime they say "hand over fist"
Warrior is a Rocky knockoff.
Money laundering. I've seen Breaking Bad enough to know money laundering when I see it. Disney trying to help out the Walter Whites of the world.
Sheesh $230 mill, The Acolyte felt the most confined and limited out of all the Star Wars shows. Headland is a true con artist and KK is a dope.
I hated The Substance it is the movie I've come the closest to walking out of.
Hmm so now i am curious whats the budget for Andor season 2. Also i wonder what the ratings for agatha will be when its all said and done.
Thats what happens when you involve the Banking Clan...
Someone asked about people walking out during a movie. The two biggest i’ve ever noticed were actually for two I really liked: Neon Demon and Tree of Life.
A 2 hour 20 minute Rise of Skywalker cost $416 million. It’s not crazy to think a 5 hour Star Wars show would cost $230 million. They built numerous detailed sets. They had more VFX than you realize and then there’s all the creature design and practical effects. They filmed in Portugal too. And Star Wars costumes are notoriously expensive according to Gareth Edwards. Finally, they shot in Covid which added a ton of cost to huge productions like this. Acolyte was green lit in 2019, when Disney was all in on their new streaming service.
What creature designs? The bugs that were in it for 3 minutes tops or the makeup for character’s that show up for 1 scene. As for sets the intricate sets that they built only to be in for 5 minutes like the town and tavern in the beginning while the spaces they spent the most time in were plain and boring like the Jedi Temple they always cut back to for Venestra or the fortress of the witches.
If you think about the cronyism in this show, it’s even worse.
I rolled my eyes when I saw the image of the kid from Family Matters in the upcoming Star Wars TV series. After the Lizzo and Jack Black debacle you’d think Lucasfilm would have learned their lesson. I guess i’ll sit here and patiently wait for Andor 2.
The show wasnt terrible in my opinion, it had some good points, very good choreography and costuming but $200 million?!?? No way... Rings of Power season 2 will be about $700mill and a third of that was just to the Tolkien estate alone.. And you can see the money on screen every second of every episode. People can say what they want but there is nothing that compares in the balance of the budget and the top knotch quality besides maybe peak Game of Thrones. And still doesnt look that good. The most big budget scene i can recallin Acolyte is when Osha crashed the ship and once again when Sol crashed his ship. Besides that, are you fkn kidding me?!!
Pitch meeting: I am an angry lesbian. Disney said, we heard enough, take this 230M and wipe your ass.
Just curious, why should fans care if studios overspend on budgets?
If they overspend and don't get the results they're after they won't be confident making any more...hench The Acolyte. A story that will never be concluded leaving fans unsatisfied and hesitant to put time into anything else!!
@@TyrellMunson that’s more an issue of the writers being arrogant and not giving the show a proper conclusion. I think it’s funny that a bunch of dumb executives were duped into giving a group of artists a ton of money.
I could care less about something I don’t care about like Agatha is not made for me it’s made for middle age wives 😂😂
Like Harloff always says about a Terminator film. Give me a barebones, small indie scifi star wars film for 50 to 100 million. Hell, pick ur the lot of all the great fan film creators out there.
I'm getting sent to the gulag, but the order of best within my personal taste would be: RDJ, Tom Cruise, DiCaprio, Pitt and Bale.
I got movie fatigue once, just for the heck of it back in 2021 I decided to try watching a new film every night for the year, just to see how far I'd make it. I made it about 2 and a half months and just had to stop. Watching a whole movie is so mentally taxing, like reading a whole book or watching a whole season of TV all at once, I reached a point where I just mentally couldn't handle jumping into another world with a different story and fresh set of characters, again, the thought made me feel sick.
The Acolyte, i enjoyed, but when watching it, the quality seemed cheaper, i would have watched a second one, but that cost way too much. I did not see the value in the budget.
I LOVED the wild robot even TF one
Now I’m excited for Piece by piece venom 3 Moana 2 sonic 3 and LOTR war for the R
Did Wandavision did well internationally? Its a similar provincial storyline than Agatha bit definitely a way more popular character that had already been in the biggest mcu movies.
Kristian is right. Deadpool 1 & 2 are better than DP&W.
I like the Deadpool extended cast and DP&W just drops them. Lame…
I guess the people who keep typing sassy comments about Coppola’s new film are too young to understand his importance in American cinema history. I hope I live long enough to see a world where Rotten Tomatoes scores and North American opening weekend box office numbers are no longer the indicators of a film’s worth. Megalopolis is indeed a hugely flawed film but you know what? i’m glad it exists. Hey Kids: Resist the temptation to rewatch Deadpool and Wolverine for a seventh time and go watch Coppola’s 1974 masterpiece, The Conversation.
Ok boomer. Stop telling people how to feel and what to do with their money. Just cause someone did great in the past doesn’t mean they get a free check for the rest of their life on all the projects they make.
@@venenders170 You kids are free to watch and enjoy anything that makes you happy. That said, it would be nice if those of you who’ve recently spent so much time cheering for Francis to fail could at least familiarise yourself with his filmography. I’m happy that Harloff and Rocha were at least being respectful when reporting on the predictable failure of his new film.
@@SoulStylistJukeBox I acknowledge what he’s done in the past and what he did for cinema but you also have to acknowledge “what have you done lately” in the creative business your only as good as your last 1 or 2 projects and there are other filmmakers around his age still making movies because they’ve grown and evolved their style and filmmaking. He clearly hasn’t as no one wanted to help financially front the film and so he had to do it himself. He wanted to make the film and have it in theaters and that’s what he got.
@@venenders170Good points. He’s 85 year old and it’s unfortunate that his final film isn’t a better one. Hopefully we’ll eventually see a longer cut. As I watched it this past weekend I could tell that lots of it was cut so that the run time wouldn’t go too far over 120 minutes. I’m convinced much of what he chose to remove made it a stronger film.
Kristian, can you activate the live chat on the rewatch? Thank you
Kenobi was 6 episodes. Also there has been a little thing called inflation since then. Also a strike and Covid protocols.
House of Dragon season 2 was under $200M
Can we get a Transformers One Spoiler Review with Kristian and Rocha?
Hope to see bret tomorrow
Inflation, duh!!! 😂😂😂😂
Add in they redid one episode so it was only 7 or 7.5 episodes
The first Deadpool was almost a decade ago. You understand the concept of inflation?
How many subscribers does Disney plus have? 153.6 million. So basically the Acolyte is paid for by $1.50 from each subscriber. If the show airs over two months you are talking $1.50 Out of anywhere from $20 to $40 depending on package. That’s not a big percentage when you consider Star Wars and Marvel are there flagship shows. That plus the show will be on the service for years.
I sub to D+ for $2-$3/month. Just saying. I hear a flushing toilet choking down some currency.
@@KHeisig75 I’m guessing you got the introductory offer. The vast majority are paying $10 for basic or $16 for premium. So if you average that to $12 a month they are making 2 billion a month. So 24 Billion a year. The total global box office of all studios combined in 2023 was 33.5 billion. That’s why they spend $230 million on an 8 episode series that can up there subscriber numbers for two months and beyond and add to their content. They have to build a library of compelling content.
@@mrfloosakrunning a streaming service of this size cost a lot of money on top of paying for content
@@chrisrevel2801 of course. But anyone knows that when starting a new business there are going to be a few years where they have to build the business up and spend a certain amount to get subscribers and then they cut back because the business is now built. You see this with Iger saying that they are going to cut back Disney and Marvel shows to 1 a year. It isn’t necessarily that the shows didn’t help them gain subscribers it’s just now that they have a certain amount of subscribers they aren’t going to spend as much in content. They already have tons of content now and are hoping cutting back two a few shows a year keeps the subscribers. If they see churn they will ramp up production again. But it’s hardly surprising in an era of rampant inflation that a show will. OST $28 million an episode if they are aiming for a show that stands up to film.
@@mrfloosak spotify started in 2008 , they don't pay for content but they still have to turn a profit ... so far they have lost around 5 billion . Streaming killed the music industry , i don t see how hollywood would make it work
HARLOFFFFFFF!!!!! Roches!!!!
Not trying to be an ass but if you guys read my comments you would know it's bob iger making the decisions. Qnd you can ablut this in the new york times.
Source?
@TheKristianHarloff go the new york times look up the article titled the disney coupe and it goes into detail on how bob iger never really let his power as ceo go even after bob chapek took the title of ceo. Its a long article but explains so much of the decisions being made at the entertainment level of disney.
The Acolyte has long been over, why don't you talk about Gladiator 2, which is coming out very soon, costing $300 million?
Too much catering? 👀 🧐 💸
If I was a shareholder in Disney I would be livid at all of this
Iger has a big hand in these losses. That s why the dude from trian funds was pushing against Iger and friends. He knew they were destroying Disney.