I was listening to this during a long car ride, and as soon as I exited the freeway and stopped at a red light with my windows down, they started talking about the Witness' smoky tip 💀
Surely the best way to get people to keep playing AFTER the witness is dead is to introduce the final darkness subclass right at the end. I don't think they would want to distract people with learning subclass tech (strand) when the story is the focal point and it's definitely what would convince me to keep playing after final shape.
I don't even want another new subclass. With 6 subclasses it will take forever for new exotics, aspects, fragments, weapons, etc to get distributed between all of them.
When Blue said "it wasn't a c*nt slay boots the house down you know?" about the show case I had to stop and absorb what he said for a second and then died XD Also totally agree.
For me get the third darkness subclass out, then build out all of the subclasses and build new 3rd ritual activity to replace gambit with a hoard mode through the rogue like mechanics or whatnot. Imagine we had a 3rd mode with all the best activities features throughout the years like menagerie, this seasons rogue like, etc. and then build out a whole new bunch of enemy types with interesting mechanics like tormentors and subjugators
Datto makes a great point, go watch the old showcases, witch queens is pretty tame and lightfall just showed literally everything and left us with 0 to explore in the expansion. In a story and mystery driven expansion I’ll always take less being shown so I can experience it on my own.
WQ was very exciting, and even now its exciting if i watch it. it has more content because that was when they literally introduced subclass 3.0, crafting system, and the campaign having a legend mode. These were things the community has been begging for for years, and we got it. in the final shape reveal...nothing is said. no quality of life update.
@@mrlunar62void 3.0 vs no new subclass, everyone knowing crafting would be grindy and restrictive and no one knew for sure whether the legend campaign would be good or worthwhile didn't exactly send hype sky-rocketing the way seeing a whole new city, subclass, confrontation with the witness after the peak that was witch queen did with lightfall
Man I think a cool idea for a new traveler related subclass instead of the core light subclasses would be the terraforming power we see it use. Maybe there’s still a chance we get something more creative for the finale😅
Love all the podcasts, they're wonderful. Had a small note on the audio version, I've noticed on spotify some of the ads will play back to back. Obviously I don't mind at all (also don't know how hard it is to change) but if someone is new to the podcast it might seem a little weird. Example is like a factor ad playing twice in a row. Love the content though
We didn't hunt and do stuff every single day, but we did more physical activity a few times a week and then there was more downtime for our bodies to heal and maintain. Now we do nothing or we overwork ourselves. We also over eat now
One thing that's interesting to me is that I have the same relationship with Destiny that Datto has now (healthy), Destiny will be what it will be, and I will play it when I feel like it and find enjoyment in there in my own way, regardless of how many other people are having fun or whether they think the game is doomed. I also think that it's easy to say that Destiny hasn't hit a peak, but that you don't know what it looks like and that's Bungie's job. If you can't even articulate what you want out of the game, how the heck is Bungie supposed to? They aren't mind readers.
Interesting that Datto is into tower defense games, maybe the Arknights x D2 collab will introduce a lot more people to it (whenever that’s ends up coming out)
The seasonal model has destroyed classic gaming. It’s slowly regressing back to better release models but companies can’t seem to not salivate over stringing people along now for months to years for maximum dollar.
I was pulled back into D2 in season of the lost after 4 years not playing the game. There is FAR more to do for a player who’s starting pointing is when i came back and now. and i hope that experience continues to improve. We all know they would never show or talk about 100% of what the final shape will offer. I hope Bungie gets the dub.
To go against Blue’s response to the new supers as a warlock main. I actually was happy to see radiance back. I hate dawnblade with a passion and am tired of being stuck on well. Let me throw infinite grenades again!!!
as a warlock main i question ur inteligence. since it seems you have not heard of sunbracers that allows u to throw 8 nades in a row. titans and hunters r getting cool ass toys to play with but warlocks get this dead super that no one asked for and is just a recycle? yay?
@@matthewbixler2728 if u want to chug a shit load of busted nades…yes. It’s the same. Also, the fact that titans r getting something brand new and never seen before vs how warlocks just get an other same old same old super that no one wanted is shameful.
It’s also the only super in the game that lets you use your guns that isn’t a deployable, I’m very excited to see it return. In pve it’s something I’ll activate off cooldown for free damage reduction and team buffs mainly, for pvp I can’t wait to win free gunfights due to 50% dr and stronger abilities
i heard one of the creators sypherpk was offered 1 million for one of their creative maps which he turned down "way undervalued" he said, idk how roblox monetization is but that's seriously impressive for fortnite
In the Destiny discussion phase. Datto sounded more detached from the game and yet hopeful about the Final shape and post final shape future of D2. On other hand both Fruit and Blue even though they arent full time D2 bros, they sounded more attached to Destiny. I see myself with agreeing with Fruit rather Datto as I am still little mad that Show case didnt WOW'd me the way Witch Queen and Light fall did. I kinda feel Cayde reveal before show case kind of dented the big WOW factor from the showcase.
what datto said about rewatching the showcases is so true because imma be honest even though witch queen ended up being my favourite expansion, the showcase wasn't really that cool, i was super disappointed in no new subclass (like with tfs), we all knew crafting would be stingy and grindy, glaives looked (and are) whatever, savathun was known to be the focus and savathun's throne world over old chicago was also kinda uninteresting. literally all hype rided on savathun because as meh as shadowkeep was we hadn't experienced the mid of lightfall right before wq
Not a scientist, but chimps and gorillas can't swim due to muscle being heavier than fat, so perhaps we evolved to be able to take on rivers and lakes and lost the ability to retain muscle better :)
You can 100% tell Blue resents Destiny. At this point I don't think there's anything that is ACTUALLY REALISTIC that could come out and make him happy to play.
Gorillas naturally burn way more calories passively than humans. Also, they live in nature 24/7 and forage for food which is significantly more stimulating to the muscles than sitting at a desk or on a couch all day as Datto said
Personally I feel like we know too much about TFS. I hate that I know Cayde is coming back already when it would have been so much better to be surprised with it while playing through TFS’ story. Still hyped tho.
When talking about muscle degradation in Humans as compared to other animals you all were not the only ones with this question: (Do animal muscles atrophy slower than humans? on Biology StackExchange) According to it's linked sources, animals will try to remain active to preserve growth, but when forced otherwise they will also face muscle atrophy. Some animals, however, have adapted to minimize muscle atrophy over long periods of time (such as hibernating bears).
Seems like bungie could be going back to secrets as they showed next to nothing. More of the finer details will come out in the months to come but if it doesnt i still think thats fine. It is enjoyable to go into something new and not be told what every single new thing is and just discover it for yourself
i just think bunige needs more banger stories and cut-scenes. new players have a lot of content and gear to chase and grind. Veterans, who have all the gear, need something different from the game and for me its story beats and cut-scenes. Cause it is hard to innovate in something as established as Destiny 2
Destiny 2 is a game AND a story. People wanted Wrath of the Machine raid in a hive season? Of course it's gonna be Crota. Also after having so many enemy types already why would you now, at the end of the story, have a knew enemy race? It also makes sense that we get new light subclasses since we're going into the traveler and for the same reason, we see alot of nostalgic things in there like the D1 Tower (the traveler is connected to us trough the light and the ghosts). They can't just willy nilly put everything the community wants when they need to finish the story. I'm not even trying to defend bungie, they've done many mistakes but the points i've stated are pretty reasonable.
Im confused by the narrative of final expansion means we shouldnt get a new subclass. Why not? Its the finale? If we need to temper out expectations that low for the finale we are all screwed.
I gotta admit. I been watching a long time. But Blues comedy just isn’t for me all of the stuff he says usually now is a bit annoying. Thanks for the laughs.
Am I going to be that guy...? Yeah I guess so (I don't get much use out of my media studies degree, just give me this); The whole "the Cold War invented anime" tangent is wrong, because it was actually invented by WWII. Seriously, kind of. A potted history - after the bombs were dropped in Hiroshima and Nagasaki and Japan surrendered, Western aid particularly from the US flooded the country. Lots of Western faces started appearing in a country that had previously been extremely insular, and for the regular Japanese citizens those faces were providing aid, helping, giving food and water. There came to be a positive association with more Western facial features as a direct result, and ultimately that's why most anime and manga protagonists look Caucasian.
It remains true that Destiny Community is not just top tier gamers, humane humans, etc. pp. but also BEST IN THE GAME when it comes to expecting too much, being disappointed by pomises broken that were never given in the first place and the general ability to hardcore clown on themselves lole
Datto has really been on the defending bungie train. I get it, I know we should be reasonable, but expecting a new subclass or at least a new super and aspect in every light subclass is not letting our hopes go out of hand. Bungie made a super for Hunter Arc 3.0 and never made a huge fuss over it. They made 3 new aspects per light class every 3ish months. They also make new aspects for Strand currently. We should not pretend like it feels currently like they are trying to avoid an "overdelivery." If we do get new supers and at least an aspect for every light subclass, then I will shut up, but just because Joe said that the reveal was for a broad audience, doesn't mean we need to be sated when there's only one super/aspect per class on a 50 dollar annual expansion.
Exactly. Nothing in that showcase got me excited. In fact showing me boring ass radiance again has killed off all my desire to play the game. Datto kept saying, "What else could they do?" Uh...tons of shit. Give us guild halls, player housing to showcase our triumphs, new game modes like some sort of scavenger PVP where you can only use weapons found on the battlefield or space combat or platformer gameshow like fall guys. Anything!....the possibilities are endless.
They can’t add new supers for every single subclass unless you want them to start vaulting some. The current system only supports 3 supers per subclass and a lot of them are at the max already
biggest reveal the should do is let us equip an exotic in every slot only for PVE let us finally have some actual fun for once in this game plz bungie give us that.
I dislike how Datto comes off almost as condescending a little bit to everyone kinda just making people feel dumb or bad about their expectations and hopes for the game. I get that people can be unreasonable, but that's no reason to act all high and mighty by having the golden take that "bungie can't do this because they can't so deal with it"
Love that Datto always has such a sensible take on things.
Underrated comment. He’s always been good at seeing through all the fog
unironically he's jaded.
Unlike the other content creators that just immediately dog the dlc and say it’s gonna fail without even putting hands on.
real and true, he's always very level-headed
I was listening to this during a long car ride, and as soon as I exited the freeway and stopped at a red light with my windows down, they started talking about the Witness' smoky tip 💀
Gotta love Dad coming back from the mommy milk run
what
Out of 10 years the only proper campaign boss fight we've had was Savathun. Calus was just kind of ok.
They really need to work on this.
Oryx wasn't bad, but I do get what you mean. Savathun's boss fight is how you do a big bad in just the campaign
Personally a hot take of mine I loved the Calus campaign boss mainly due to the surprise 2nd phase shocking me
@@sunshotwithanornament2475lol we only wiped because it caught us off guard the first time
@@dankerbell I remembered soloing it and then even with the surprise of the 2nd phase I beat it. It was pretty epic ngl
Surely the best way to get people to keep playing AFTER the witness is dead is to introduce the final darkness subclass right at the end.
I don't think they would want to distract people with learning subclass tech (strand) when the story is the focal point and it's definitely what would convince me to keep playing after final shape.
Praying this isn’t just cope.
That’s a really good point and I would love to see it happen, but I’m not getting my hopes up.
0% chance that this is happening but would be hype
I don't think it will happen, but for me to keep playing after FS they need to fix the crucible.
I don't even want another new subclass. With 6 subclasses it will take forever for new exotics, aspects, fragments, weapons, etc to get distributed between all of them.
Now I can know how to feel about final shape!
How I felt watching datos video
Love that Datto is always level headed on his takes on the game. He's always got a good sense of whats up with things.
When Blue said "it wasn't a c*nt slay boots the house down you know?" about the show case I had to stop and absorb what he said for a second and then died XD Also totally agree.
They want to keep the surprises as a surprise
For me get the third darkness subclass out, then build out all of the subclasses and build new 3rd ritual activity to replace gambit with a hoard mode through the rogue like mechanics or whatnot. Imagine we had a 3rd mode with all the best activities features throughout the years like menagerie, this seasons rogue like, etc. and then build out a whole new bunch of enemy types with interesting mechanics like tormentors and subjugators
this ☝
Would you like anything else sir?
Datto makes a great point, go watch the old showcases, witch queens is pretty tame and lightfall just showed literally everything and left us with 0 to explore in the expansion. In a story and mystery driven expansion I’ll always take less being shown so I can experience it on my own.
WQ was very exciting, and even now its exciting if i watch it. it has more content because that was when they literally introduced subclass 3.0, crafting system, and the campaign having a legend mode. These were things the community has been begging for for years, and we got it. in the final shape reveal...nothing is said. no quality of life update.
@@mrlunar62void 3.0 vs no new subclass, everyone knowing crafting would be grindy and restrictive and no one knew for sure whether the legend campaign would be good or worthwhile didn't exactly send hype sky-rocketing the way seeing a whole new city, subclass, confrontation with the witness after the peak that was witch queen did with lightfall
Man I think a cool idea for a new traveler related subclass instead of the core light subclasses would be the terraforming power we see it use. Maybe there’s still a chance we get something more creative for the finale😅
Oh hey, didn't know you had a podcast fruit. This was a great watch.
Love all the podcasts, they're wonderful. Had a small note on the audio version, I've noticed on spotify some of the ads will play back to back. Obviously I don't mind at all (also don't know how hard it is to change) but if someone is new to the podcast it might seem a little weird. Example is like a factor ad playing twice in a row. Love the content though
We didn't hunt and do stuff every single day, but we did more physical activity a few times a week and then there was more downtime for our bodies to heal and maintain.
Now we do nothing or we overwork ourselves. We also over eat now
One thing that's interesting to me is that I have the same relationship with Destiny that Datto has now (healthy), Destiny will be what it will be, and I will play it when I feel like it and find enjoyment in there in my own way, regardless of how many other people are having fun or whether they think the game is doomed. I also think that it's easy to say that Destiny hasn't hit a peak, but that you don't know what it looks like and that's Bungie's job. If you can't even articulate what you want out of the game, how the heck is Bungie supposed to? They aren't mind readers.
No time stamps? What year is it...
Interesting that Datto is into tower defense games, maybe the Arknights x D2 collab will introduce a lot more people to it (whenever that’s ends up coming out)
could be interesting true true, i am looking forward that shiz
already out in arknights, and unfortunately it was only a one way crossover :(
it already happened
Less muscle requires less energy therefore less food required so you survive for longer
The seasonal model has destroyed classic gaming. It’s slowly regressing back to better release models but companies can’t seem to not salivate over stringing people along now for months to years for maximum dollar.
I was pulled back into D2 in season of the lost after 4 years not playing the game. There is FAR more to do for a player who’s starting pointing is when i came back and now. and i hope that experience continues to improve. We all know they would never show or talk about 100% of what the final shape will offer. I hope Bungie gets the dub.
that cup datto had was seriously well made and designed i’m jealous i don’t have one
Honestly I still think the third darkness subclass is still on the table. How sick would it be if they drop it at the end of the campaign.
To go against Blue’s response to the new supers as a warlock main. I actually was happy to see radiance back. I hate dawnblade with a passion and am tired of being stuck on well. Let me throw infinite grenades again!!!
as a warlock main i question ur inteligence. since it seems you have not heard of sunbracers that allows u to throw 8 nades in a row. titans and hunters r getting cool ass toys to play with but warlocks get this dead super that no one asked for and is just a recycle? yay?
@@mrlunar62 destiny player try not to insult someone in an argument challenge (impossible)
@@mrlunar62 and sunbracers only works for 1 grenade type and only for 4 seconds. Yup… totally the same…
@@matthewbixler2728 if u want to chug a shit load of busted nades…yes. It’s the same. Also, the fact that titans r getting something brand new and never seen before vs how warlocks just get an other same old same old super that no one wanted is shameful.
It’s also the only super in the game that lets you use your guns that isn’t a deployable, I’m very excited to see it return. In pve it’s something I’ll activate off cooldown for free damage reduction and team buffs mainly, for pvp I can’t wait to win free gunfights due to 50% dr and stronger abilities
i heard one of the creators sypherpk was offered 1 million for one of their creative maps which he turned down "way undervalued" he said, idk how roblox monetization is but that's seriously impressive for fortnite
If Larian follows their model from Divinity:OS2, Baldur’s Gate will likely get a “DM mode” at some point
In the Destiny discussion phase. Datto sounded more detached from the game and yet hopeful about the Final shape and post final shape future of D2. On other hand both Fruit and Blue even though they arent full time D2 bros, they sounded more attached to Destiny. I see myself with agreeing with Fruit rather Datto as I am still little mad that Show case didnt WOW'd me the way Witch Queen and Light fall did. I kinda feel Cayde reveal before show case kind of dented the big WOW factor from the showcase.
what datto said about rewatching the showcases is so true because imma be honest even though witch queen ended up being my favourite expansion, the showcase wasn't really that cool, i was super disappointed in no new subclass (like with tfs), we all knew crafting would be stingy and grindy, glaives looked (and are) whatever, savathun was known to be the focus and savathun's throne world over old chicago was also kinda uninteresting. literally all hype rided on savathun because as meh as shadowkeep was we hadn't experienced the mid of lightfall right before wq
Not a scientist, but chimps and gorillas can't swim due to muscle being heavier than fat, so perhaps we evolved to be able to take on rivers and lakes and lost the ability to retain muscle better :)
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Thx
I was 777 like on this podcast! Lucky me lmao
You can 100% tell Blue resents Destiny. At this point I don't think there's anything that is ACTUALLY REALISTIC that could come out and make him happy to play.
Gorillas naturally burn way more calories passively than humans. Also, they live in nature 24/7 and forage for food which is significantly more stimulating to the muscles than sitting at a desk or on a couch all day as Datto said
Personally I feel like we know too much about TFS. I hate that I know Cayde is coming back already when it would have been so much better to be surprised with it while playing through TFS’ story. Still hyped tho.
All I'm saying is joey slept on stream for his first subathon lmao
You copy Ruben and sleep off stream ONE TIME and suddenly I’m the only one catching that stray smh
@@AbouTimeJoey first mistake was copying Ruben
Are fruit and blue always this depressing
stasis and strand need multiple supers
As a warlock main who's never played d1 I'm all for radiance even if its eh for everyone else.
What's that thing on fruit's head?
It’s his man bun
@@DSTNYMOTS haha maybe
@Jmstone45, it's a sprout for his headset that Claire made for him.
I’d love to share my red pill destiny theories with y’all
go on
When talking about muscle degradation in Humans as compared to other animals you all were not the only ones with this question: (Do animal muscles atrophy slower than humans? on Biology StackExchange)
According to it's linked sources, animals will try to remain active to preserve growth, but when forced otherwise they will also face muscle atrophy. Some animals, however, have adapted to minimize muscle atrophy over long periods of time (such as hibernating bears).
give me another enemy like the witness to worry about, you'll keep my interests that way.
@Mr Fruit what water bottle was that? Are you still sticking to the gallon of water a day?
datto with the hard hitting facts ppl dont understand
it is weird to watch this while final shape is out.
Have you guys ever thought of having SirDimetrious as a guest for an episode
Man, Blue can sell me anything (within reason, and arent drugs)
Seems like bungie could be going back to secrets as they showed next to nothing. More of the finer details will come out in the months to come but if it doesnt i still think thats fine. It is enjoyable to go into something new and not be told what every single new thing is and just discover it for yourself
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1:30 mins of content, sing me up
I think of Fortnite pre-BR... mostly because I was a sucker that spent money on that shit for it to basically be abandoned.
Idk where tf Blue gets that it's just places we've been to, when they only showed off the D1 tower and a bunch of new places
i just think bunige needs more banger stories and cut-scenes. new players have a lot of content and gear to chase and grind. Veterans, who have all the gear, need something different from the game and for me its story beats and cut-scenes. Cause it is hard to innovate in something as established as Destiny 2
Destiny 2 is a game AND a story. People wanted Wrath of the Machine raid in a hive season? Of course it's gonna be Crota. Also after having so many enemy types already why would you now, at the end of the story, have a knew enemy race? It also makes sense that we get new light subclasses since we're going into the traveler and for the same reason, we see alot of nostalgic things in there like the D1 Tower (the traveler is connected to us trough the light and the ghosts). They can't just willy nilly put everything the community wants when they need to finish the story. I'm not even trying to defend bungie, they've done many mistakes but the points i've stated are pretty reasonable.
I'm so Meh about the final shape.
Im confused by the narrative of final expansion means we shouldnt get a new subclass. Why not? Its the finale? If we need to temper out expectations that low for the finale we are all screwed.
*claps*
Bigger brain = less need for muscle (compared to other animals)
Why datto has painted nails ?
He wants to, been that way for a long time now
@@petervalvo1186 i assume he is not forced to do it, but does it mean anything ?
@@Qzzz84 nope, he just wants to. That simple
someone else already posted their thoughts... Datto can't even get World's First Thoughts on the Final Shape...
I gotta admit. I been watching a long time. But Blues comedy just isn’t for me all of the stuff he says usually now is a bit annoying. Thanks for the laughs.
Blue... fortnite ain't the biggest game in the west lol. I get what you're saying, but minecraft, gta, cod, and pokemon are all bigger
Am I going to be that guy...? Yeah I guess so (I don't get much use out of my media studies degree, just give me this);
The whole "the Cold War invented anime" tangent is wrong, because it was actually invented by WWII. Seriously, kind of. A potted history - after the bombs were dropped in Hiroshima and Nagasaki and Japan surrendered, Western aid particularly from the US flooded the country. Lots of Western faces started appearing in a country that had previously been extremely insular, and for the regular Japanese citizens those faces were providing aid, helping, giving food and water. There came to be a positive association with more Western facial features as a direct result, and ultimately that's why most anime and manga protagonists look Caucasian.
Human is the weakest mamal
It remains true that Destiny Community is not just top tier gamers, humane humans, etc. pp. but also BEST IN THE GAME when it comes to expecting too much, being disappointed by pomises broken that were never given in the first place and the general ability to hardcore clown on themselves lole
People expecting 3rd darkness subcalss is delusional. Blue has just all the wrong expectations for Destiny 2.
Blue comes off very whiney and clearly didn't pay attention to the showcase. At least be fully educated before you start whining.
How much did bungie pay datto to do this interview
Datto has really been on the defending bungie train. I get it, I know we should be reasonable, but expecting a new subclass or at least a new super and aspect in every light subclass is not letting our hopes go out of hand. Bungie made a super for Hunter Arc 3.0 and never made a huge fuss over it. They made 3 new aspects per light class every 3ish months. They also make new aspects for Strand currently. We should not pretend like it feels currently like they are trying to avoid an "overdelivery." If we do get new supers and at least an aspect for every light subclass, then I will shut up, but just because Joe said that the reveal was for a broad audience, doesn't mean we need to be sated when there's only one super/aspect per class on a 50 dollar annual expansion.
After lightfall how can you even defend it
He's clearly bankrolled by them. Being critical is one thing, but defending every minor detail really shows your cards.
Exactly. Nothing in that showcase got me excited. In fact showing me boring ass radiance again has killed off all my desire to play the game. Datto kept saying, "What else could they do?" Uh...tons of shit. Give us guild halls, player housing to showcase our triumphs, new game modes like some sort of scavenger PVP where you can only use weapons found on the battlefield or space combat or platformer gameshow like fall guys. Anything!....the possibilities are endless.
They can’t add new supers for every single subclass unless you want them to start vaulting some. The current system only supports 3 supers per subclass and a lot of them are at the max already
Please stay out of politics..Jesus 😂
biggest reveal the should do is let us equip an exotic in every slot only for PVE let us finally have some actual fun for once in this game plz bungie give us that.
Most misleading title
Why is datto such a bungie shill these days
You're just saying that because the over 2 are brain dead and has a different opinion
Bungie made sure not to over deliver 😂
I dislike how Datto comes off almost as condescending a little bit to everyone kinda just making people feel dumb or bad about their expectations and hopes for the game. I get that people can be unreasonable, but that's no reason to act all high and mighty by having the golden take that "bungie can't do this because they can't so deal with it"
Remember no over delivery
final shape reveal was so disappointingly mid
Love Datto but he is such a shill for Bungie.
Liberals
Podcast with datto??? Right after a destiny announcement??? Nice script Dorkshadow???