HUGE Chaos Space Marines Release Week - Battleforce Prices, New Rules, New Datasheet + Combat Patrol
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- Опубліковано 1 чер 2024
- Looks like it's a big week for the Dark Gods! Codex Chaos Space Marines is dropping alongside the Veterans f the Long War and Dread Talons box sets!
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0:00 Intro
0:35 Chaos Release Week
1:42 Battleforce Pre Order Times
2:57 Dread Talons
4:52 Veterans of the Long War
6:26 Chaos Space Marines Codex
9:07 Abaddon's Datasheet
11:37 New Combat Patrol
13:17 Cultist Firebrand
14:17 Dice + Datasheet Cards
15:10 Made to Order Orks and T'au Empire
16:13 Outro - Ігри
I'm not one to complain, but gw taking a single cultist out of a box and almost certainly selling it for more than its original box price will be a little bit cheeky
I already have him and the other BSF models, so I don't care. lol.
"Cheeky?" That's very generous sir.
Remember that it can be boycotted. No one is forcing anyone to buy this.
Just kitbash one and insist you want to use him. Why play tenth competitively anyway, it’s too janky for competitive play?
3d print yessir
Ngl the frequency of these codex drops really highlights how backloaded the Spring release schedule has been. Dark Angels released in February and then Orks and Custodes didn’t drop til late April.
Of course it goes without saying that the Codex system is 20 years out of date.
This rate is way better imo
These are technically the summer releases chaos sisters and Gene stealer cult I think summer 2024
@@thelegendsmith3063
Nope. Chaos was Spring, and Sisters, GSC and the mystery codex are all for Summer.
Ahhh@@Sneaker3719
All rules and Codexes should drop on the release of their rule set. The method that gW adopted of dropping codexes throughout the editions life span is just ridiculous! I hope GW behaviour leads to it being isolated, and new leadership comes in, or just goes out of business so our models have some collection value, ha. it’s like being in a bad relationship, how much more can we take.
"(Cultist Firebrand gets rules)*
*(Stares at Firebrand I'm using as a Flamer Cultist)*
*(Stares at extra Firebrand on sprue)*
Victory...
13:21 Just....GW please for the love of humanity just put those Blackstone Fortress cultists in a box again. I got it, they're great models, let other people buy them too! There's so many dumb things you sell that no one wants. Sell this again. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (That's the sound of me going crazy)
FYI Everyone: I found my Cultists of the Abyss box on a random website so keep your eyes open, you never know where you'll find it.
I got mine on Amazon just when i was starting to get back into the hobby. Being a long time Chaos player i just picked it up for flavour.
I didn't buy them because the character with the flame weapon didn't have any rules to use him in game, now that he has rules you can't buy the kit. 😂
RIP several decent cultist sculpts I guess.
@@midnightclad888 Typical GW for you. I bought them because i thought they were cool & i was contemplating getting Blackstone Fortress. I haven't played in years so i'm buying stuff that i like the looks of & maybe sometime if one of my gaming friends feels like it they can show me how to play a game i haven't played in about 15 years. I've been collecting 9e codexes & have almost completed the set (need about 4 more) so i could play pretty much any army i have models for 😀
Got mine on eBay secondhand from a pile of shame. Same goes for like 60% of my collection
that and they're also A: the only new cultist sculpts nowadays with guns on them and B: the only source of cult grenade launchers if you go looking for em. I kinda wanna find the Dark Vengeance sculpts for my own collectatoning eventually but them not keeping the BSF gun cultists around feels like a major bad move.
I'm so tired of thse constant limited battleforce FOMO crap where the new model come out months later. it's so tiresome.
Agreed. I have lots of everything except those two Lords. It wouldn't be nearly so obnoxious if it didn't take months sometimes for the solo release to happen.
That combat patrol is a dollar tree version of the chaos start collecting. They loose their obliterators and venom crawler...
*lose
It does have the multi-part Legionaires box and 5 Possessed instead of just 2 of Start Collecting. It is still worse not having the Crawler and Oblits but is better in some ways.
It also doesn't help to compare when the CSM start collecting was arguably the best value box gw have done that doesn't have Custodes attached.
Especially when greater possessed where a thing - that box was bonkers value
That box is sadly long gone though..
@@TheArcticMenace yup, it was the first Warhammer box I bought as a relatively late convert. Days before lockdown, fortunate timing!!
The three boxes add up to 1975 points, leaving 25 for an enhancement.
They also add up to 460€...
@@ThommBara Or NZ$1234 which is 690€!
Firebrand is nice, Rogue Psyker would have been nicer though.
I was just telling my wife how proud I was of how my Firebrand came out. I was irritated that he didn't have rules but now I'm stoked I can use him.
Hell yeah Nightlords here we come?
In Midnight Clad
Ave Dominus Nox
With the firebrand being a character, I wonder if this means cultist will lose their flamer (and maybe their heavy stubber & grenade launcher, and option to take auto guns).
Boy I hope not, I'd be losing like half of my 40 cultists
@@G-Squared_99my guess is autoguns are gone, but the new profile will have a 24 inch range for all default guns (similar to what death guard has now). While this sucks losing rapid fire, at least you could easily justify using both autogun and pistol models in the same unit since it will be basically rolled into a single profile.
Fully expected this when they released the new cultists in mono-pose
The flamer probably but they'll probably keep the rest... cant imagine GW would kneecap cultists at the same time as adding a cultist detachment
Given the nerfs to abaddon, hed better be cheaper now. Losing all marks is a major nerf, and it is totally contrary to the lore...
The marks are only available in one detachment. Maybe that's why they removed these keywords and you get them back when you play the "index detachment".
Otherwise it would be a really big nerf.
Thank you for the fast update....I have been waiting for news on these guys!!
Maybe the chaos mark keyword(s) are gained only in the detachment from the index, and not in the others, so it makes sense(?) to remove them. Do not lose hope
Pretty sure the mark mechanic is exclusive to the index detachment but unless they change it then you can only give 1 mark and cant give them to named characters/ones that already have a mark... so without major changes abbaddon cant get the other marks (even if it only affects him in that one detachment
I keep feeling lucky that I got 2 boxes of cultists of the abyss when I had the chance
I really want both boxes but wallet says I can only get the jumpack box ;.;
At least you can get one. I don't get paid until the following friday. They will all be long gone by the time i can afford to buy anything.
@@snakeplissken6649 Check local gaming stores, i just got the cadian defence force box at mine haha
MtO characters from Orks and Tau just after the retirement to Legends feels like a spit in the face.
This. It's insulting.
I think it would be more insulting to make them MtO, and then announce it *after* you have their money. Now you can decide if you want it despite no rules or not
Would you have preferred they sell it and then legends them 6 months after you got them?
You realise there are people who like to buy models to just paint? Or beerhammer where who cares whether or not something is legends
@@JoeHardacreagree in my casual gaming no one even cares about legends or not. Just throw your models on table and use the data sheet.
For space marines i have a legends mostly 2000 point force for casual match play always fun if not strong
Thank you, AT! I was looking forward to this update since the news about the baytle boxes first leaked. Will be trying to use your affiliate link for sure.
I like the new combat patrol, but I think it's more of a sidegrade rather than a straight improvement over the old one. Liking all the new possessed and cultist support though Word Bearers stock is going up
I'm happy to see it's Chaos time again. I've got all the stuff in these boxes except for the new Lords, so I'll be waiting for them to come out by themselves. I'm really looking forward to the Codex! Can't wait to see the Siege detachment! ✊️
Need to see what the previews are throughout the week. Will be the deciding factor between whether or not I do Word Bearers or Thousan Sons as my next army.
Abaddon losing the four specific marks would be a real bummer. Not only did that give him some extra gameplay oompf, but it was also one of his defining features in the background. He is special in no small part due to gaining the favour of all Big Four individually, and fusing them into his own unique mark.
But I guess this is par for the course for GW, I mean lore doesn't really matter anyway, amirite?
I was seriously considering starting a CSM army since these two boxes would make the process quite approachable. Luckily I put the pile of shame in plain view so no new army... This time :D
Those 3 Abandon’s need don’t seem that minor to me…
The single fact that he looses all 4 chaos marks keywords is actually a huge nerf... our 10 man terminator deathstar unit just lost its planet killer cannon.
Pls buff vashtorr or some other "Drak mechanicus" units. He's just a bad demon prince and I really like they're design. I hope the Dark mechanicus becomes it's own faction soon
I hope Vashtorr is not in the codex because he is in an upcoming Dark Mechanicum codex.
@@laurencemusolino so the Dark mechanicus get it's own codex? Sounds good to me. Than that isn't needed. Do you know some informations about the codex? Release or something?
@TheGoblinGod No, it was just one of those 'leaks' that a new xenos faction and DM may be released in 10th and I am hoping they are real. Sorry if I raised your hopes.
@@laurencemusolino ah OK that's too bad. But maybe dark mechanicus will get a own army in this year. Dark mechanicus seems to be a fan favorite. So maybeeee we will get them. I hope it really. I tried to build a chaos space marines army with a heavy focus on the mechanicus units in there, but they look not that good tbh.
I would prefer if they fixed actual admech before releasing a second one ^^
Hoping they'll do a "Brood Brother" type of thing for chaos. Would be nice to have cultists with Imperial guards tanks.
I guess they want to get the fans talking about something other than Custodes…
Sadly looking like no new bike models as rumored.
Hopefully, this is like the Orks release, and there's something nice for everyone.
Some variety for Legions that dont worship the chaos gods/ follow Abs. Getting tired of the must-have unit on the tabletop being a character locked into one specific legion, cultist, or some daemon engine.
Alpha Legion and Night Lords wana run more generic legionary units of old with their flavor/ twist.
Any thoughts on when the EC INDEX will come? I believe it’s on the 25th since that’s when csm codex technically hits the shelves per the community update a few wks back
I'd bet it goes live in the app and up on the GW site when the CSM book does. So that Tuesday or Thursday, whenever the app normally updates.
According to GW's Twitter, slightly after the CSM codex drops, not at the same time
My guess is the 3rd missing sheet is gonna be bikes.
Good
Most likely huron
Nah, Huron or Exalted Champion.
Just saying, it would be really weird to not have a night lords detachment after releasing a night lords killteam kit for them literally a month before the codex.
Dread Talons detatchment will be the theme for Night Lords.
The firebrand reminds me of when the technoarcheologist just became a thing out of nowhere as a nice little surprise.
I can see myself getting the new Combat Patrol at a later date. But I still have a full chaos army to build & paint including Abaddon & the old Combat Patrol.
damn I wanted to start a nightlords army...i kinda wanna try to get both when they hit preorder over at discount site lol
My current army is CSM, around 3k painted so I don’t really want either box set, but those 3 characters look sweet! The Jump Lord is so good to see, nice to have a chaos lord on foot that isn’t mono pose with the plasma and hammer (or kharn as proxy XD) and that cultist character with the balepyke would be so nice for one of my cultist units. I NEED all 3 characters 😅
I have gotten a bit of chaos stuff in preparation for these battleforces, but I got to get my hands on the veterans box for sure. Just need to wake up at the right time. And if I fail then hope my one store can get a couple and order off them.
They look good. Will probably pick them both up and have them sitting on the shelf until later in the year.
Correction: Seems to be from the 9th edition codex
Detachments are recognisable in the video:
Black Legion
Word Bearers
Iron Warriors
Alpha Legion
Emperors Children
Red Corsairs
Creations of Bile
Oh and you can recognise the datasheets from the preview video as well. Lucius and Noise Marines are in! Huron Blackheart seems to be in, too.
The amount of times I've failed abaddons 2+, I'm fine with not rolling that anymore lol
I would love to get every new box, really flesh out my collection with options instead of one of most things, although at that point I’d have nearly 100 legionaries and 3 daemon princes which I have no idea what I’d do with
sounds like youre 1 daemon prince short of a set
@@skilledwarman I’ve built both of mine with wings so far, I think it looks way cooler.
Ahhh the glory days of running triple daemon princes 🎉
@@icklemoo you still can, just run multiple different names demon prince characters
Not the best sign if the only datasheet they showed has "a trio of small nerfs' 😬
Also side note - t5 and 9 wounds is a ridiculously weak profile for the antagonist of the entire setting. For the love of all things unholy, give the man a feel no pain or something!
@@WontonDestructionmajor improvent over the busted profile he had in 9th…
@@lohikaarmeherra-1753 agreed, but it feels like he's still paying for those sins now. He should still be at least somewhat survivable.
@WontonDestruction he gets a bodyguard unit too. I've never had him killed before he kills stuff.
@@paul80085 None of the things he attaches to are particularly tough, and all of his buffs except for the weakest one are irrelevant to terminators. I think he's a decent character but when you compare him to other characters like Azrael, he doesn't stack up well at all
Glad i got the start collecting 😌
I’d totally buy Dread Talons (at a lower price of course) if it only had the 10 raptors/warp talons, Jump Pack Lord, and Daemon Prince. Maybe I’ll find some good discounts from box splitters.
My main wishlist is that some combination of reworks, points costs, and detachment rules make Vash’torr better than a naked daemon prince and the Lord Discordant worth fielding.
After the triple nerf to Dark Commune + Accursed Cultists, I hope they get rehabilitated back to playability outside whatever the cultist detachment is (genestealer-like respawns?)
I would be rushing to cover up the Custodes codex and that nothing burger of a balance slate.
Seeing as I just started a NL army, the Dread Talons box seems like a no brainer.
I saw recently that Agents from Blackstone were in Legends - I wonder if this means they will come out of retirement for a new Agents codex?
Any idea WHY the Tau Tidewall Gunrig is Made to Order? It’s got rules in the codex and their not getting rid of the drone port or shield line…
The changes for CSM i like them i would hope that the units in that have stats for can used still when the codex come out. As nice it is for a chaos lord and jump pack getting new modes i feel other CSM can make them to if you are creative enough kitbashing . As for the battle force box they are great if starting off having a diverse amount of units for about 1,500 points army . Hoperully the firebrand character is worth taking if as a cultist epic hero . Hopefully Nightlords and other nique CSM legion get the love they deserve in this edition,
I have my doubts Huron is gone when a detachment is based around renegades and pirates.
Fabius bile will probably be the 3rd missing datasheet
On the Abby front, I’m gonna bet that the index detachment gets reworked into like a word bearers / demonkin detachment and we lose the exploding 5s synergy. Pacts alone is a fantastic army rule, right up there with Fate Dice, and to then have pacts crit on 5s is a bit bonkers. To have to balance 7 other detachments against that is no easy feat, so I wouldn’t be surprised if they completely rework the index detachment to increase appeal across all 8.
GW Give me Blood Angels! Give me Thousand Sons!
As long as there are no more wargear changes !! I’m so sick of ripping off arms and then re-attaching them.
I’m guessing the defiler is going to legends. I’d love to be wrong and see a re-scuplt but I doubt it.
Do you think jump pack lords will be able to lead warp talons?
SO GLAD THEYVE MADE A LOST AND THE DAMNED DETACHMENT!
didnt mean for that to be in all caps 😅 but im excited so it staying.
#ironwithinironwithout
Old combat patrol was way better to match the battleforce box. Now you have to buy a hellbrute, havocs, and DA separate. The only thing in the new one you wouldnt have is a MOP.
Admech combat patrol 275 point chaos marine 420 points. Yeah that fair.
Very balanced
Lucius and Noise ARE GOING TO be out of Codex: CSM. GW like a week or two stated that Index: Emperor's Children is going to drop online in the same time as release of Codex: CSM
Will we get a copy of the codex in the box?
Very dissapointed with the potential Abaddon nerf here.
He is just not worth the points tbh. He's so painfully weak
@@zacharymendoza4945 He kills anything he touches but I agree, where he stands at the moment, he is too expensive. I don't think he needed nerfing though, just dropping by about 40ish points or given some more durability.
@@zacharymendoza4945 never had a game where he hasnt absolutely destroyed anything he comes near tbh
There's no legitimate reason to pay the points for a character that dies so easily. T5 and a +2 save and 4+ invulnerable that gives your units one of 3 okay abilities is not worth it.
@@therooster8697I don't know how Abaddon dies when he is leading 10 terminators just deepstrike him next to a squad in turn 2 or just have him on board already. That's literally 4+ invuln 2+ armour save 30 wounds to go through, only assassin able to kill him in 1 turn is Vindicare but yet again deepstrike turn 2 next to him then remove him. Yes he gets spanked against any primarch he goes up against 1v1 or if they use epic challenge then don't allow them too, him and his terminators have full hit re rolls and can get lethal hits just delete them before they backhand you by simply positioning him unless it's Lion avoid combat with him because he will literally spank you no matter what you do if you touch him in melee, your Horus' son not the Emperor's son so don't expect him to be able to stand his ground against a man who 1v1ed Mortarion and won, a man who bashed Angron's face in with his shield, a man who is huge, very red and has wings.
Remember when Codex's were fun?
Pepperidge Farms Remembers....
Would be a bit weird if they'd put a detachment for pirates in the codex but removed Huron Blackheart, the Red Corsairs leader, from it.
I have a suspicion that the third missing unit next to Lucius and Noise Marine might be Fabius Bile - he's not an ally of Fulgrim in the lore, but he IS from Emperor's Children.
I don't mind a small Abaddon nerf (so long as others get boosted). Auto-including big named characters is kinda cheesy in lore, and the necessary painting is why I don't have any Tsons or World Eaters, having to field Big Red or Angron models to be relevant doesn't sit right. Another example, Lord Solar in every Guard army, silly, really. Abaddon shouldn't be needed when your vibe is Alpha Legion or Word Bearers or your own warband. Make him very good, but not all that. And the others.
Currently the only named Character i own is Cypher. Though i totally agree with your statement. Especially Alpha Legion, Night Lords etc dont need a big named character. Still wouldnt mind a unnamed Alpha Legion character.
@@JS-mu9qd There is an alpha legion 30k sniper model, very cool looking. Something like that, but just a quirky lone operative. Fits the spy vibe.
@@anophelesnow3957
Yeah i have seen that one, but i haven't figured out what i could use it for. Its a shame that legionnaires dont have a sniper war gear option.
Yeah as lone operative character might be a great idea.
Here's hoping Blood Angels will be next!
i would note that while his CP generation ability is nerfed a bit, there are a lot of ways to reroll pact rolls in the codex, which actually makes a 7+ around an 83% chance if those stay around
Like the chaos icon that terminators cant equip?
@@stephgracia8902 or abaddons ability since termies already get rerolls to hit (or him in legionaries for the free wound rerolls)
Does the codex come in the army boxes?
Nope, that only happens in boxes where everything is new, like the Dark Angels and Kroot boxes. Those are considered "army sets" rather than "battleforces".
As long as they don’t remove the Defiler datasheet that’s fine. Leave my giant demon spider crab alone.
So many Blackstone boxes pilfered over the years solely for Cultists. Unless it's a new fantastic sculpt at a reasonable price, people may as well just buy Blackstone Fortress and sell off what they don't need.
Older combat patrol was much better. I'd defiantly be trying to get one of them and the long war box if I was starting a chaos army.
The only one I’d be interested in is the Dread Talons box after finishing the night lords books, and a demon prince is nice
But not for $230. Fuck that. The cultists are just filler
The cultists actually aren't that bad. You want some normal ones for sticky-ing your home objective and the ACDC combo (accursed cultists and dark commune) still hits hard, though it's just point nerfed.
I'll second that. At 55 points, or whatever, you can put a ton of them on the board and just annoy your opponent with them. It's actually a nice feeling (for you, not them). Hopefully there will be a strat that lets you shoot a unit they're in combat with like last edition. It's hilariously evil.
Wait are they going up on preorder tommorow I’m confused
Preorder this coming Sat, the 11th
"Great week for Chaos"
TS ansd WE: Same Shit, Different Day.
EC: Going form well supported to half written out the game .
Well supported?!
When was that? 😅
@@khaosbydesignuk946EC have consistently had some of the better CSM rules throughout 8th and 9th. But yeah, support isn't what I'd call the only cult marine that has never even been a full kit, let alone plastic
@@khaosbydesignuk946 You can have all the units in the CSM codex (with mark of Slanesh) or you can have a seeperate codex like WE and TS where they didnt bother to copy/ paste half of the generic units.
So what do we think? Will this codex be Ork level good, or Custodes level bad?
Why would Huron Blackheart be removed from the codex?
Looks like all of that overstock from the failed Inquisition Kill Teams blew up in their face.
CSM gets double the amount of detachments custodes got XD
CSM are a more varied faction than custodes. Makes sense to me
Yeah, they've got a ton more fluff and datasheets. Makes complete sense.
while SM are going to end the edition with something like 21
@DarthAxolotl However, they also got double the detachments of T'au, and two more than Codex Marines, both of whom have a MUCH wider range than Custodes
I guess 49 datasheets is the new sweet spot for having more than 4 detachments unless you are ad Mech because Tau got 4 for 44 datasheets.
Both of the battle forces are decent for csm
I need more cultists like I need a hole in my head, but I'm still buying the Dread Talon box. I want everything else in there.
Anything for Thousand Sons anytime soon?
Mr. The Despoiler losing all his marks is pretty saddening, both from a fluffy and gameplay perspective. He's enough of a statstick to threaten whatever he points Drach'nyen at, but I'm crossing my fingers in hopes of him having a dedicated detachment.
Technically, the current "Slaves to darkness" detachment IS abaddon's dedicated detachement. Bet you well see a nice picture of the Black legion on the page of that detachment in the codex.
I literally bought 3 boxes of the Kroot hunting pack and was looking at the tide wall shield & gunrig because they look fun to use and mess around with. But noticed the gunrig wasn't on sale anymore. Was extremely happy and surprised to see it appear for the pre-orders next week, will definitely be getting 1/2 depending on price.
Edit: I know you can't use them with Kroot but am going to mix some normal tau infantry in.
8 detachments nice. Poor custodes languishing with 2 badically. Amazing the disparity
Does this channel have a dark mode
so ready for my alpha legion to have rules
The last one removed should be Fabius Bile no?
Why? Wasn't he his own detachment last edition? If you split him out before EC gets a codex, wouldn't he lose more than he could ever gain staying in CSM? I could see him maybe moving to codex EC/Slaanesh next edition, but this edition? No way.
Does element games work for Europe ?
I’m starting up a CSM army and unfortunately none of these match up perfectly with what I still need :(
The way I see it, the sooner we get CSM releases the sooner we can get guard releases
Debating if it's worth buying the cards when theyll likely be wrong at release.
I think removing Huron and not having a new model release soon would make a lot of people really salty. I would be super upset as he just recently got an awesome book written about his character, and lots of people love the Badab War and fallout from it.
I dont know i price match what they should cost versus inflation. $275 individually vs $370 shows how bad inflation has gotten. The fact that its sold at $230 then cut %12 to $202.50 seems more reasonable when buying from element games or others. Just a shame that GDubbs wants to inflate the cost so much.
A couple of weeks ago, I had no interest in chaos, as I'm not a big baphomet enjoyer... Then I got the nightlords who I found were, refreshingly, just down-to-earth sociopaths, which makes for a more wholesome bad guy I think. Now I'm sat here with my unopened boarding actions, the heady space crusade days in mind, wondering what 500-1000pts of old-fashioned baddies (undivided? - I have no clue, lol) would look like...
New chaos looks more a classic fantasy lord than 40k for me..
Money staying put, until I see new codex. Price increases again also.
Where blood angels
Holy fuck those are expensive
Come on gw
I don't field Abaddon in my Black Legion army, but this massive nerf to his lore and rules feels like a kick in the teeth.
I guess GW are still taking their feedback from Sapce Marine players on Warseer.
Abbadon nerf depends really on strats and detachments big time. He is SO easy to kill is hilarious so he needs buffing in that department. Any character model in the game with 2 damage 2 ap can pretty much one shot him with epic challenge
Oneshot him? With 2 dmg weapon? Thats 5 unsaved attacks. With 4+ invu thats 10 wounds from the attacker. Thats fairly unlikely.
@@mtrunkello as soon as that 4+ is invoked anything with 6/8 attacks can do him in. Especially if they have sustained happens a few times to me
@@anardil8664 and which characters are those? Bar from a few epic or ultrabuffed characters non can do that. Ofc if you gonna smack him with a ctan or primarch he will die but he should die in those cases as well
@@mtrunkello well any blood angels character on the charge to start with
Voltann character did it the other day with 7 / 8 attacks and it was 85 point model lol 😂 ...He's super squishy seriously you can't defend his toughness for how much he costs in points now he offers no buffs. Seriously he is terrible. Drak is good but any average player will never let you use it. If he gets the chance to use it, it's a bad player
@@anardil8664 then drop drachnyen, drop his wounds by 3 to 6 wounds and he can be 120p. You cant have all. Or make him t9 but cant join squads and lone op within 3" of infantry just like the lion. Would that help? Because with t9 9w he will still get deleted by a squad of inceptors jumping him from deepstrike.
I wonder how many times GW can slap the fans in the face before people start protesting with their wallets
Man, I am sorta sick of the cultist spam in our army boxes. Nice models I suppose, but when I think of the mighty legions of the Chaos Space Marine's, I don't think of the cultist hangers-on. Cultists are just... a disappointment imo in army (patrol) boxes.
As a cultist/traitor guard/beastmen enjoyer I kinda wish they did seperate Astartes and Mortals box sets. But hey at least mortals are getting a detach now, it's a start.
Same feeling as TS with tzaangors