NATHAN is a palindrome in spirit (Read description for clarification)
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- Опубліковано 6 сер 2024
- So, many of you pointed out that in the first two minutes, I claim that "this video only involves the spelling of words, and has nothing to do with the phonetics of a word.", and then contradict that by saying "Let's analyze how NATHAN is pronounced."
In retrospect, I can see how that is very confusing.
I should've worded this in a more mathematically rigorous way. What I meant was, we're just looking at a sequence of discrete elements, some of which have the same value, and some of which have different values. What I wanted to do in this video was, figure out what permutations of that original sequence can we arrive at by only applying reversals to substrings of that sequence. For sequences that have a structure like "NATHAN", (where the 1st and 6th elements have an equal value, and so do the 2nd and 5th elements), which reversals will lead the sequence to appear identical? The answer is, reversing the substring from x_1 to x_6, and then reversing the substring from x_3 to x_4, will keep this sequence identical. In the video, the only reason I brought up how the "TH" phoneme is pronounced was to slowly introduce you to a reason for why you might want to reverse a smaller substring. But actually, the pronunciation is actually irrelevant: we can choose any substring to reverse that we want. You can see this later when I start "clumping" more arbitrary chunks of letters, like the "TAL" in stalepetals.
(Whenever I say "substring", I mean a consecutive subsequence of the original sequence.)
If we were to boil the actual problem down to its mathematical roots, the English language itself is actually completely unrelated to the raw mechanics of the problem I'm trying to describe. I only used English words as a sort of "proxy" to make the puzzle more digestible and "fun", (like the Oompa Loompa Shampoo thing), but that clearly backfired. If I were to record this video again, I now know to take a more straightforward approach: describe the problem in a mathematically unambiguous way, so the viewers aren't left with a different version of the problem in their head than the problem I had in my head. Clarity over hand-wavy statements. I'll try to be clearer next time!
For a more in-depth explanation of what I mean, go here: • Addressing confusion a...
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So, many of you pointed out that in the first two minutes, I claim that "this video only involves the spelling of words, and has nothing to do with the phonetics of a word.", and then contradict that by saying "Let's analyze how NATHAN is pronounced."
In retrospect, I can see how that is very confusing.
I should've worded this in a more mathematically rigorous way. What I meant was, we're just looking at a sequence of discrete elements, some of which have the same value, and some of which have different values. What I wanted to do in this video was, figure out what permutations of that original sequence can we arrive at by *only* applying reversals to substrings of that sequence. For sequences that have a structure *like* "NATHAN", (where the 1st and 6th elements have an equal value, and so do the 2nd and 5th elements), which reversals will lead the sequence to appear identical? The answer is, reversing the substring from x_1 to x_6, and then reversing the substring from x_3 to x_4, will keep this sequence identical. In the video, the only reason I brought up how the "TH" phoneme is pronounced was to slowly introduce you to a reason for *why* you might want to reverse a smaller substring. But actually, the pronunciation is actually irrelevant: we can choose any substring to reverse that we want. You can see this later when I start "clumping" more arbitrary chunks of letters, like the "TAL" in stalepetals.
(Whenever I say "substring", I mean a consecutive subsequence of the original sequence.)
If we were to boil the actual problem down to its mathematical roots, the English language itself is actually completely unrelated to the raw mechanics of the problem I'm trying to describe. I only used English words as a sort of "proxy" to make the puzzle more digestible and "fun", (like the Oompa Loompa Shampoo thing), but that clearly backfired. If I were to record this video again, I now know to take a more straightforward approach: describe the problem in a mathematically unambiguous way, so the viewers aren't left with a different version of the problem in their head than the problem I had in my head. Clarity over hand-wavy statements. I'll try to be clearer next time!
For a more in-depth explanation of what I mean, go here: ua-cam.com/video/O5LLabWD10U/v-deo.html
I'm not sure why, but UA-cam isn't keeping this comment pinned. So maybe if I reply to myself, it has a better chance of staying pinned?
How are you so 1,000,000 IQ?
Still waiting for evolution simulator 2
@@carykh dont like your own comment
@@roton1011 why?
Cary: "we don't care about phonetic palindromes"
Cary literally seconds later: "if you think of the phoneme, it's a palindrome!"
Thanks, someone noticed it besides me
Yeah
If we change the spelling of the word to include the obsolete letter Þ, it's a palindrome
then right after links the english QU as a single phoneme
NA(TH)AN NATHAN NAÞAN
Says he’s only focusing on spelling.
Alters program to interpret letter combinations representing single phonemes as single letters.
HMMMMMMMMM
YES
This would be a Bruh moment, but that's not fancy, so this is more of an exclamatory situation
H(MMMMMMMMM)
My thoughts exactly.
@@ultrio325 80% palindrome MC wise, with 4.00 avg movement
oompaloompashampoo is an official letter in my book.
Alternate title:
"Cary tries to cheat using the IPA"
Fun fact about the Oreo one: In Japanese, Oreo really is a palindrome! It's spelled オレオ, which is the same backwards or forwards.
Wow
Also Korean-오레오
This is why Nathan isn't a palindrome: orthography, NOT phonology, is at the center of palindromicity. Saying, "Nathan would be a palindrome IF ONLY we spelt it Naθan" is like saying, "Decked would be a palindrome IF ONLY we spelt it Deked."
Besides, even then you're trying to have it both ways, spelling only kind of phonetically. See, in reality, the A's in Nathan are pronounced differently: /neθæn/, rhymes with "ray can." Different vowel sounds! In order to be the same vowel, Nathan'd've to be pronounced either "nah than" or "nay θain."
O(RE)O
Friend: “Hey Nathan, is that a sunburn?”
Nathan: “Nah, tan.”
Funny
OuO
Big funny
TRUE
Larry The Cucumber GameCube
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I would have absolutly sat through 20 more minutes of watching you do this palindrome game
Same lol
Top 10 non-political ways to use the political compass.
1. To show which part of a letter belongs on which side
This would be a pretty cool game, where you are presented with a word and must make it as palindromic as possible.
Another challenge after you make it the most palindromic as possible you can try to make it the most complicated
The real fun is then adding Regular Expressions on top of it
That sounds like one of those $1.99 mobile game that’s actually really fun
Call it the PalinDome and you gets the big bucks.
*Me making the whole word one bubble*
My personal favourite: "rats live on no evil star"
Even the spaces stay in the same place after reversing!
rats live on no evil stars
srats live on no evil star
@@yellowmarkers Oops, fixed it now!
Vortex the Gas Giant -Gas Giant 5- he edited the comment
I guess rat really do live on no evil star
@Don't Break the Chain it *rotates* the letters around hehe get it?
2:57
So then that means that the one person who say Oreo is Oreo backwards was technically right-
Great, now the next time someone says "oh but your name is just a 'h' away from being a palindrome" ill be like: 00:00 - 19:57
"Nobody wants to sit through over 20 minutes of talking about palindromes."
Guess my name's nobody then
I guess my name is also nobody then
I trust you then
Time for part 2!
Guess me too
Odysseus?
“Stressed Desserts”
Cake has joined the game.
When they see me at 3am they will be
69th like
*Caik hahs jhoind da gaem.*
Reluctantly crouched at the starting line.
I’m pretty sure before they are eaten most desserts are stressed desserts
One of my friend's name is Hannah and I've never thought of it as a palindrome until you showed me! What can't you do? The power of palindromes will overcome humanity (i live in California so I'm happy to see my state being used :D) It's pretty cool how "Eleven plus two" is "One plus twelve" and they're both 13 and they make up of 13 letters!
Great job finding the tricks, secrets and keys to making things work. Great video.
I can already predict the comments complaining about the lack of a KH pun. So i'll give you one.
Khut the
Huck up.
Justin Lmao
Preach
Gud one
I wonder if that's actully what it means
Huck
I guess phonetically, Nathan is a palindrome
Nathan who is clearly a human: * "What?" *
Nathan who is clearly a table: bruh
Nathan who is clearly me: hello
When I realized the Scrabble tiles in 0:49 were Turkish Scrabble tiles I was ecstatic, because I'm Turkish myself!
Put this in the Palindrome explorer: (g(o(h(a(n(g(a(s(a(l(a(m(ii)m)a)l)a)s)a)g)n)a)h)o)g), and turn 2.5D all the way up. (Also, did you know a emordnilap is a thing? It's when you switch a word around, and it still has a meaning. For example: bat and tab. Tab is bat backwards, but they both have a meaning. So, palindrome is an emordnilap. Cool.)
EMORDNILAP IS AN EMORDNILAP BUT A PALINDROME IS NOT A PALINDROME
Hey, I'm glad you heard about that too. The only reason I knew about it is cause I heard CBC piece done on it. Apparently, it was started by a kid who noticed stop became pots. I'm glad their adventure actually got somewhere. I just tucked it into the depths of my mind.
(g((o((h((a((n((g((a((s((a((l((a((m((ii))m))a))l))a))s))a))g))n))a))h))o))g)
Try that, maximizes mobility.
Brockbot :D
So emordnilap is autological?
I dunno if I can remember that imma write it down
As a kid, I couldn't understand how racecar was a palindrome for a long time. There were two reasons:
-I thought it was "race car"
-I considered a space a letter (because of how keyboards work, because spaces were not given special treatment in school, and because letters, numbers, spaces, etc are all bundled into "characters" in common computer programs)
so the reverse of "race car" was "rac ecar", which was not the same.
You lived the life I'm living now
weirdly enough, same
cary I hope you know that I almost started crying laughing when you zoomed in on "I PISS I MISS" with the pee sounds in the background
"but we can improve It even further by making the pp turn around" 17:40
Right before that
"I piss i miss"
@@niemiec2601 ;-;
lolllll
I'm dying rn, holy shit. 😂
3:57 0_0
17:10
“I P I S S I M I S S” that made me laugh a lot for some reason
I PISS I MISS *P*
SWISS MISS INSTANT PISS!
henry is that you???
I play Puffballs United game's
Charles:This is the greatest plaaaaaaan
i piss im iss, i piss i miss
There is this sentence in portuguese:
"Socorram-me subi no ônibus em Marrocos!" - wich translates to "Help me, I got on the bus in Morocco!"
You can read backwards and it will work!
If only it was a palindrome in english as well . . .
By the way, “Marrocos” is “Morocco” in English. Just thought you might want to know!
-Paintspot Infez
Wasabi!
meu deus tem br em todo lugar
If it said "Help me, I got on the bus in Morocco!" in portuguese one way, then LITERALLY, like in ENGLISH, said "Help me, I got on the bus in Morocco!" when read backwards, THEN I'd be impressed
My favorite in Portuguese is "é nobreza fazer boné" translated to "making caps is noble"
17:05
Says: "Ipissimissp"
Cary "I piss I miss"
Me: " *I piss I miss the pee* "
“Undertale is full of minigames”
Battles: Am I a joke to you?
17:40 "But we can improve it further by \*hesitates\* making the PP turn around." - Cary thinkin' about weird things while recording?
@@NoOffenseAnimation someone did
@@cheesyhfake1541 oh they did? must not have noticed
@@cheesyhfake1541 and i forgot i even commented this lol
😂😂😂
Same with the “i piss i miss”.
Carykh: PHONETIC PALLINDROMES DON'T COUNT
Carykh, 5 seconds later: *TH is one phoneme, so it's a palindrome in spirit*
Countyballs Productions because English sucks. English has like 20 vowals but only 6 symbols for them
At least th and TH both had English letters at one point
There's a lot of comments like this one, so checked the pinned comment for a better explanation of the concept I was trying to get across.
@@zettabyte323 in IPA, we do. the first A is written /ɛi/ and the second is written /ɪ/
What about Þ
When are we getting part 2? For some reason I always find this video interesting when I go back and rewatch it and I'd like to see some other concepts
Bro this is like a free DLC for making palindromes
This would be a fun puzzle game. It gives you a word and you have to get it to a certain mobility count or mobility distance.
cary: the only letter that repeats in hypothetical is t
h: am I a joke to you
Well, you can't have t and h swap together as the bubbles would intersect.
I was gonna say that
Of course no one cares
Maybe that was another one of Cary’s idea, to implement intersecting bubbles. But it was one of the “nobody wants to sit through another 20 minutes of me talking”
This could make an interesting puzzle game, where it gives you a close palindrome have to figure out how to turn it into a palindrome.
19:57 make a part two, i would like to hear you speak more about palindromes
“Mr. Alarm”
“Dr. Awkward”
“Drowsy sword”
is this kingdom of loathing i hear
Holy shit i’ve literally never seen another KoL player outside of the game itself
Eva, can I stack Rod's sad-ass, dork cats in a cave?
Staff of Fats :D fun game.
Man, I stopped playing that years ago
Merry Crimbo
I laughed way too much at that sound effect.
ipissimissp
As a Nathan. I can confirm my name is a palindrome in spirit.
Alternate title: man makes ILLEGAL palindromes for 20 minutes
"this program does not take phonemes into account."
"Okay, watch how I make it take phonemes into account."
watch you missing the point
@@Victorsandergamer No, I understand that it was meant to relate with how palindromes don't take I to consideration the aspects of English leading to words that create /audible/ palindromes but not /spelled/ palindromes, but the method of switching from that idea to the exact opposite is a bit jarring, as it has for many, many others and, while the process of creating a method of a "more accurate"palindrome system is genuinely great, the method of it's delivery was flawed in a way that causes a severe negative reaction and, if it were possible, lead into a different way that could bring the praise that this system should receive.
I guess my name is EÞan now . . .
That's actually pretty cool that there is an old letter for “th” that isn't included in the alphabet.
Edit: Imagine making a palindrome with supercalifragilisticexpialidocious :O
(Yes I did copy and paste this XD)
It's not secret it's just that they removed it.
@@spect80r oh
The letter is still used in Icelandic with it’s brother ð (also a th sound)
It's actually old English, and I find it very cool, to be quite honest. I have a chart of how language formed the English alphabet
@@ghplayer9228 YOURE RIGHT
17:41 "by making the pp turn around"
Cary Huang - 2020
Cary: We're not talkibg about phonetics.
Also Cary: *proceeds to talk about phonetics*
"Nobody wants to sit through over twenty minutes of talking about palindromes"
Wrong. I want to sit through over twenty minutes of talking about palindromes! Palindromes are fun!
Yeah wth I feel like I just got jipped. Give us more palindromic things cary!
I'll clap for the fact he came pretty close. All he needed was 3 more seconds of idle time.
+
Weird Al has a song called Bob.
Same
The amount of people that clearly did not watch the video is insane.
i agree immensely with this
I disagree, hes perverted one of my most favorite aspects of language
I made a palindrome about a Devil Fruit encyclopedia (from One Piece). When someone asks which one you're currently at, you could say: I'm on "Uzu Uzu no Mi". (Oto Oto no Mi also works)
Holy crap. My OCD or something was seriously kicking in when it wasn’t spinning completely around and then he immediately said “hey don’t worry there’s a setting that lets you make it orbit!”
2:31
There’s a whole Wikipedia article on words that start with Q and not followed by U.
That’s how you know how rare it is.
Can I have a link to the Wiki? I can't seem to find it, apologies.
Nevermind mate. No worries.
Gabobei en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_words_containing_Q_not_followed_by_U?wprov=sfti1 here you go bro
@@adsoyad2607 thanks, wow most of them are even loaned
random tŷpek anyone?
17:11 "I piss I miss.(p)" lmao
I am honestly disappointed at how immature I apparently am, but I've laughed at this for like 10 minutes.
@@interlamer7480 It really got me too. The combination of the music, the genius sound design of someone missing the bowl, and the big reveal of the message was very well put together.
I WILL SIT AND WATCH PALINDROMES ROTATING FOR AN HOUR. Cary I really love your content omg...
This is like a magic trick. When you see it, it doesn't look like it's complicated but you just can't think of it yourself.
Me: oh boy, can’t wait for a new virus simulator video!
Cary:
I saw the blue posted a video circle when I looked through my subscriptions and I saw he posted something new and I was like YAY A NEW VIRUS SIMULATOR VIDEO I CANT WAIT TO PLAY THE GAME but I clicked and saw this and I was like nooooo
Cary: says "raeppaer"
*monetization has left the chat*
You mean monetization
@@EtanMarlin Dang you're right.
3:04 there is a mistake with “OREREREREOOOOOOOOO.” There is four “RE” in the word but in the picture there is 5.
when you talked about upside down words, i was expecting you to mention how MOM turns into WOW upsidedown.
Cary: "I should make it really clear that this video is only about written palindromes, based ONLY on the SPELLING of words, it doesn't matter how the letters are pronounced"
Also Cary: "TH together make the 'thhh' sound"
...if we were doing palindromes based on how the letters sounded, then racecar isn't even a palindrome anymore. r ay s k ah r r ah k s ay r. Vroom vroom, my rocksayer goes very fast.
"Vroom vroom, my rocksayer goes very fast."
you didn't get the point, watch it again
rokseya
I love my rocksayer.
@@zettabyte323 Which is precisely why it's silly to use it as an example in support of phoneme-based palindromes.
Alternative title: Cary makes the pp turn around
17:42
*om-*
I love this channel.
I want to stay for more than 20 minutes of this.
This is probably the most interesting useless information I've taken in in a very long time. Not only is it about palindromes which are inherently interesting but useless, but you're taking non palindromes, and turning it into a special palindrome that only applies to your new set of rules about them, adding another layer of interesting but even more useless. You could turn the prospect of this being interesting and useless into an abstract noun palindrome.
this be like: This is probably the most interesting useless information I've taken in in a very long time. Not only is it about palindromes which are inhe...
30 days later...
...rospect of this being interesting and useless into an abstract noun palindrome.
i'm sorry but did cary literally just reference the political compass when he talked about the parts of the word peep
"Planets"
Looks like a gamma ray burst to me.
In Welsh combined letters (eg Ch, th, ph, ect) are one letter but since they use the same alphabet as most other languages, they use pre existing letters, but the 2 letters count as 1 character
Kinda related, I was trying to think of a useful application and went in an odd direction.
Imagine a system where you "build" a text string by
1. Appending to the Left end
2. Appending to the Right end
3. Appending to Both ends
0. Terminating the string
A list of these numbers would be a "instruction set", which can then be applied to a prototype string to acquire a result string
Consider the word MISSISSIPPI_, where the '_' is the ASCII null-terminator that denotes the end of the string.
We can encode this as '133312220' instruction set applied to 'ISSIMPPI' prototype string (also ascii)
At first look this is a total waste,
but consider that encoding the 0,1,2,and 3 instruction set can be done in 2 bits, while encoding raw ASCII takes 8 bits per char
So 'MISSISSIPPI_' in raw ASCII would take 8*12 = 96 bits in total to encode,
whereas '133312220' and 'ISSIMPPI' would take 2*9=18 and 8*8=64 bits respectively, for a total of 82 bits
There would be no need to null-terminate 'ISSIMPPI' because its length is always one less than that of the provided instruction set
tldr
Congrats, you saved one byte and made a lot of CPU instruction overhead!
But still, props to you for making this algorithm.
0:15 standard palindromes
1:04 nathan and friends
5:49 a brand new shampoo
7:31 separating the good from the bad
9:18 lazy susans
12:43 the hanna-hanna puzzle
14:51 the railway method
16:44 the Mississippi dilemma
17:05 comedy
I want to sit through over 20 minutes of Cary talking about palindromes
1:34
Now you're cooking wiþ gas!
Cary: We are not talking about phonemic palindromes in this video!
Also Cary: Lets imagine TH is one letter.
Ikr
Phenomic was meant in he sense that we ignore *all* spelling and only look at phonetics. Instead, spelling mattered here, and if you watched the whole video that would be clear.
@@justkarkat9575 Phenomic: Adj. Relating to the study of phenotypes.
@@vlc-cosplayer Well æ is a ligature of two letters, not really a single letter
@@vlc-cosplayer th used to have its own letter called thorn. Th being 2 letters didn't become popular until the 14th century. Lazy scribes started leaving off the ascender and it started resembling p and eventually y which is where the "Ye Olde" signs come from
14:48 can be improved: have each "anna" as a new set of 4 independent letters.
Oh and have the Hs in their own group or maybe for complexity nn and nn then a and a and a and a then h and h
man youtube's personalization is getting better and better. just scrolling through youtube and i saw this video with my name on the thumbnail.
I'd love to listen to you talk about anything for 20 minutes actually
People: Please continue TWOW!
Cary: *nathan is a palindome*
did you even watch the video on why twow 24a isnt here yet
TWOW 24A was literally uploaded 4 days later.
this is the straw that broke the camel
This was good! More CaryKH content is always good. Don't be discouraged (and I really want to see virus 3 and 4!)
I actually hope carykh sees this :) UA-cam comments are a terrible place, and you shouldn't listen to the haters!
Congrats on 500k
This guy is making me learn more than my class
Another one:
A nut for a jar of tuna(got that from Gumball)
God, a red nugget. A fat egg under a dog!
WHY ARE BOTH OF THESE SO FUNNY XD
Food tip:
Go hang a salami, I'm a lasagna hog.
*my name was called so many times in the video that I thought somebody was calling my name*
The "teammate" example works even better than expected. Both "e"s are silent, which when omitted make the word a palindrome.
Everyone waiting for this massacre of the concept of "valid palindrome" to result in something interesting: Skip to 19:24
Commutative property of letters
It's very funny to me how highly you place the concept of a palindrome. Dude, this isn't algebra or trigonometry, nothing revolutionary, we are literally just swapping letters to see if they match...
@@everkade Yes, but very few concepts in linguistics are as unambiguous and "math-like" as palindromes so why burden it with exceptions and complexity?
As an exercise in combinatorics the subject of this video is quite interesting.
CARY WE DO WANT TO SIT THROUGH MORE THAN 20 MINUTES OF TALKING ABOUT PALINDROMES THOUGH!!!
Yes
*Y E S H*
**yes**
Him reacting to “Raeppaer” killed me 😂
5:14 who now realized the girl voices eggy
And Naily
“Raeppaer”
R A E P P A E R
When in my life will i ever use this
Probably never but just imagine someone asking you while keeping you at gunpoint, HOW MANY LETTERS IN MISSISSIPI CAN PEFORM PALINDROMIC ACTIONS?!
_If a guy held a gun up to my head & said: "tell me how to make the most efficient palindrome with mississippi", _*_tell my family I'll be home in 5 minutes_*
One word: Alucard
Lesson of the day: every single word can be a palindrome if you are creative enough
does railway method always produce the maximal mobility distance? lk kinda interested in the mathematical/proof side of this problem (and if it doesnt, if there is an algorithm to produce the maximal distance)
1:55 is that a political compass?
Yeah I can’t escape it. Now that I’ve learned about it I see it everywhere.
Maybe it’s an alignment chart spectrum?
I’m so glad that you’re finally making some more interactive stuff! Those are my favorite things that you make, and this tool looks extremely cool!
This video is what people who count bathroom tiles and analyse carpet patterns have been waiting for.
0:08 Hey, that is mom from Futurama
Yeah that is
Whatever happened to the virus simulators?? I don't even see them on his channel anymore, and we're OWED 😉 at least one or two more!
Wouldn't this be more of a palindromic anagram explorer? It is important to mention that you probably can't get every possible anagram with this tool, although everything that this tool produces an anagram, so this tool explores some subset of anagrams that are palindromic in nature. But what would that be called?
the sfx for the big bubble destroys me every time and i dont know why
I dunno if I agree that your scores make "better" palindromes. I found "Hannah Anna" to be a much more interesting and satisfying way to solve it than "Hanna Hanna".
Yeah, I feel the same way. I’m not exactly sure how that would work, but I think having shorter groupings would earn more points.
7:57 funniest sound effect that i heard today lmao
"We can improve it further by making the pp turn around."
ikr
me: *tries to read description for explanation*
description: *explains in a way that I am having trouble understanding*
me: yeah ok nevermind
@carykh I'm glad you restored the video ;)