Dune II - Harkonnen mission 9 speedrun
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- New record: 26m 10s • Dune II - Harkonnen mi...
Improved my old Harkonnen record for this mission by over four minutes, but less than two minutes over my best Atreides time. Wasn't very hard to get this and there's room for improvement. I'm still contemplating about best strategies for this mission, but done for now.
I was planning to turret rush with MCV at the palace, but got distracted and was late with MCV. Should've built second repair facility, instead of heavy factory at MCV. Heavy factory and IX could be skipped entirely. Haven't decided yet about how many palaces to build and best targets for missiles. These could be construction yards and heavy factories, maybe even turrets at the palace.
You can't imagine how I loved this game at puberty times. Now I am 35 years old :D
Yep!
Same, 35!
Same! 34 here
same here, 31 :)
Same! 40 here, reminiscing on my favorites growing up. Dune II, Civilization, and Wolfenstein 🙂 Cheers!
If you close the repair facility , the carryalls will place the tanks where they picked up 😀
It's tough to watch this without trying to use the mouse for looking around the map! Great game. Impressively well-played, too.
True! Same here 😋
@@GeorgeSauciuc I'm still doing it!
Brilliant memories. When I first completed this all the spice dried up out before I could destroy the bases and had no units left, had to rely on death hands missiles, took all day!
Same for me
Same. With me, I found out that you can just save and reload before you launch the missive if you miss.
Best strategy game ever created. Cute and natural
Loved the intenional feeding of the sand worm with the trikes. poor souls haha
This is the way
That's incredible - 28 minutes into this mission I'm usually still struggling to fend off the initial waves and get a HVF built. What a great run!
Thanks :) There's still room for improvement, optimizing strategy for construction of turrets, maybe a repair facility and starport on enemy land early should easily allow more time save. Could probably skip the forward base and start constructing directly in front of the palace.
einokeino303, but then how are you going to defend from the initial enemy rush before you build a set of turrets on the enemy land?
@@einokeino303 Why did you build palaces if you did not make use of them? Also did you consider just capturing an enemy structure to get a foothold?
You should build more structures and buy/build carryalls. If you have a carryall for each harvester, you can build/buy things much faster.
Huh...
Do you know anything about WOR building? I see this "in second MCV base" having no barracks at all.
Exemplary punishment for enemies home harkonnen.
Remember seeing this for the first time at a friend's house. His big brother was playing it on his Amiga 1200.
With big stereo speakers. I thought it was the coolest thing I ever saw
Oh boy... I remember the times... putting the speed to slow when being attacked by sonic tanks (for some buggy reason their range was limited at low game speeds prior to 1.07). Saving the game when playing H9 and you are just about to fire your DH missile, in order to load it again if your DH missile doesn't hit the target you want it to hit. The moment you are playing the last few levels of Atreides and pumping up with Hi-Tech facilities, building a lot of Ornithopters, put them on hold when they just about to finish building and quickly finish building them all together when the last one is about to finish building and watch the swarm wreak havoc. Or the more lame moments of trying to defend your base with sonic tanks, putting them at the front. Only to find out the enemy drops units in the back at some random moment and your sonic tanks blasting through your own buildings like it was hot butter. Yes... I remember the times xD. Good speedrun though!
Yeah all my sonic tanks and missile launchers usually get stored out on a rock in the middle of the desert for this reason.
@29:45 First time I see that everyone in the back quickly walks away
Only thing missing in this great game - multiselecting troops! But no matter what, I did not rest until all houses were played through back then. Laughed for the "rolleyes", like a angry fly disturbing the mentat :D Many thanks for the great speedrun!
Thanks, there are other things you'd expect from a modern RTS such as hotkeys, but you learn to live with the restrictions. I beat this time pretty recently by over 2min with a new strategy if you're interested. Link in the description.
Ok, thanks!
You can try out Dune II Legacy. It is a modern take on the game with multiselect along with hotkeys, better interface, controls, bigger build radius and other bonuses.
Fantastic "mith" videogame. I have the version for AMIGA, hours and hours of funny.
A revolutionary strategy game, I played it a lot and finished all three campaigns, now we know it only lacked of multiple unit selection, but overall it was a great game!
На сколько я помню при недостатке электричества первым вырубается радар, вторыми ракетные башни... А тут недостаток электроэнергии, нет ветроловушек, а ракетные башни работают...
IX ของสีแดงต้องทหารหุ่นเหล็กแดง แต่ต้องเขียน Code IX.มารใจ
Great game and ost. They drawn a good characters also, Sardukar soldiers, Imperator. Previous gen games is more advanced, more deep atmosphere, even graphics is better
I almost can’t believe this game came out 30 years ago. The designers were utterly brilliant.
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Félicitations. J ai réussi a t'egaler :)
Anyone else thinking dennis Villeneuve must have played Dune 2 as a kid?
Probably not. Otherwise Sardaukars would've had rocket pods and miniguns instead of swords.
Watching the captions is hilarious 😂
why do you not have map (radar)?
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I did the same with the eyes of this guy ... confusing him with my pointing device hahaha
Great run! And crazy strategy! That MCV rush is really cool
C&C 3 prospector idea...
Would like to see a DUNE mod on Battlezone II.
the hardest part which Einokeino seems to have perfected, is the first 5-10 mins.
But what I am wondering is, why not try to nuke more, while your army is busy on one side of the map to safely send the missiles on the left side and just randomly destroy structures
Missiles are inaccurate, take forever to reload and cost too much. Unlike this video, there's not much credit float in the new record ua-cam.com/video/tDMu2N6O19U/v-deo.html
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La never thought of this approach, basically you’re bringing fire to them, not letting them attack your base at any moment
What accelerator card was used for this gameplay?
You've clicked so fast that around 27:50 you've set rocket launchers on own units. :)
It's a very Harkonnen thing to do. 😂
This game is a micro manager's fantasy!!
Haha trolling the mentat with the cursor xD
May I ask where you got this version of Dune 2? The ones I've tried so far are so slow compared to what I see in this gameplay. Even slower than when I played this game as a kid.
You'll need to increase cycles in DOSBox. Use CTRL+F!2 to do so. Beyond certain point, only scroll speed is affected, but game speed is not. Also make sure you have fastest game speed enabled in options.
@@einokeino303 Thank you, I never knew that. What is the most appropriate number cycle to use? Or what do you use?
@@True38 Depends on game. For D2 something like 20k-30k should be decent, but you can make it higher. It just makes map scrolling more difficult to handle. Try different settings, what works best for you. You can also change the cycle setting to a default value in dosbox.conf file so you don't need to adjust it every time you launch DOBox The file is in DOSBox installation folder and can be edited with notepad or similar.
@@einokeino303 Yes I tried both 30k and 20k and the speed is faster but the same at both levels. You are right about the scrolling thing though. I think I will try 10K next time to see if it helps. Thanks again, it is so much more fun to play this game now.
Still one of my favourite RTS games
Mod db website?
То есть тут только одно здание дающее энергию? Как тебе этого хватило?
так он без радара вслепую хреначил
I'd suggest spending as much money as you can building more placaces. You quickly get money flooding over 4K and beeing wasted anyway.
Btw, replacing the radar and all those factories with some more could be an idea too. Would a full starport dependency be that bad ?
Still a lot of room for improvement, for sure, but nice job already !
Yes, starting to float on resources after midpoint and best place to invest those resources would be palaces. At this point unit micro easily becomes the main focus so it's easy to forget about other things. Missiles are not a very reliable source of damage, considering accuracy and reload time, best used for taking out critical structures such as CY and heavy factories after CYs are destroyed.
Not sure what you mean by "replacing the radar and all those factories..."? Built a heavy factory for backup units at the front lines, but it was too late to make any impact and would've been better to skip it entirely. That didn't end up wasting lots of time though. Need the radar to get missile turrets. Those seem to be essential for this mission as they draw Ordos and Emperor units while vehicles go to engage Atreides.But I agree, this should be improvable still. Main point of improvement IMO would be to focus even more on unit placements.
I forgot to mention the use of shortcuts to build units & structures. "Tab" can also very useleful to quicly give order to units. Forgot the radar was necessary for turrets. Guess you could still have skipped the facts & "X", but this might be situational to this game. About palaces, I know they kinda suck (at least for a speedrun), but they remain fun. Since you don't seem to look for the most optimal run, a missile rain, or just some random tries to shoot the yards could be cool. Btw, the cooldown is just too big to hope for any reload :)
F3 opens the build menu, but you still have to go there to select the building you want to construct. Tab could be useful in some situations, but the problem is that it doesn't help focusing specific units. You can give orders to units, but the same units are selected over and over again and you need to cycle through many units to get the one you want to move. Most of the time it's faster to just use mouse to select. Second MCV, IX and HF was a waste in this one. Starport and repair facility should be sufficient.
I built lots of palaces in an old run, but that ended up over 4min slower, not because of the palaces though. I'd remember this run was lucky, getting hits on Emperor CY and Atreides HF. Not sure how to improve the strategy much. Riskier strats don't seem to be very reliable. I didn't grind this heavily. It gets rather taxing and boring on repeated attempts, because half the time is spent on waiting for the economy to catch up and only after that trying to focus on unit moves. Would be interesting to see more people running this game. Only one guy recently did some runs and figured out interesting strats for many missions, but used the same strats as myself for this one.
With HF, your unit cap is much lower than it is with the starport. So either you have a small attack squadron of Devastators or Dev/Launcher, or a larger attack squad of Siege&Launchers. I guess the IX/HF way makes more sense for the Atreides, where the Sonic tanks are both long range and self-defense capable.
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hm. i run the game with DosBox and it's slow as hell when at least 10 units acting. the harvesters have to be manually send to the spice fields every time - it's impossible to play. how is your game running so well? can you give me a link to download this?
oh i see, i can increase cpu cycles with ctlr+f12, maybe i have to set core=dynamic, i need to experiment with this
You probably have DOSBox running on 3000 cycles. Type cycles=14000 in DOSBox prompt or change it in dosbox.conf. Speed of the game is capped so increasing cycles after a certain point will only affect map scroll speed. You can also use CTRL+F11 and F12 to decrease and increase cycles in game. You can see your current cycle settings in windowed mode. Harvesters stop harvesting when a sector is cleared of spice. Try sending harvesters to a another sector where there's more spice, instead of small patches. You'll just have to figure out the bugs and limitations of the engine and handle more micro, but the game is still rather playable. Obviously a bit tedious compared to modern RTS games.
@@einokeino303 thank you for your answer. I've already set cycles to 30k :) It works well. But those harvesters are killing me... I build the factory and they often don't even move to the nearest field and i have to send them manually every time. I just played Sega version and there's no any problem with this, so you can understand it seems to me so important. It's like send every SCV in Starcraft to the minerals manually - just nonsense... Probably i'll get used to it after time.
@@thfFromRussia You need to scout the spice fields before constructing Refineries. Harvesters will idle if there's no spice visible on the map when they are first delivered. If you get harvesters from Starport or Heavy Factory you have to assign harvesting manually right from the start. It's also possible there's some differences with different patch versions of this game, 1.07 is the last official one. There are also free remakes (OpenDUNE, Dune Legacy etc.) that change, add and fix stuff if you care to try those.
@@einokeino303 ah, thanks for the tips. It looks easier now. I gonna try it :)
Wow
Tried this one out a few months ago and boy, if it's primitive. :) I wonder why the successor Dune 2000 is relatively unknown since it kicked so much ass back in the day I had to play it through twice. Emperor - Battle for Dune also rocks (bought it new immediately when it came out and still got it).
I didn't get into D2000 myself back in the day. I think Starcraft was already out when I first played it. Something about the C&C style miniature characters was perhaps off-putting for me, but been considering many times to give it another try. Frank Klepacki did excellent renditions for the soundtrack and the FMV sequences are very fun to watch also. Emperor still haven't tried yet.
I also didn't get into D2000. Didn't like it visually from the start, and then again, it's the same setup. Who would swap the original D2 for an ugly remake? Even modern RTS games didn't go that far ahead of D2. Also the soundtrack is mostly variations of the D2 themes, with sampled "cheap" sound. Didn't like it either, although I'm a big fan of Frank Klepacki, especially his Red Alert series soundtrack.
D2k is underrated. Dune2 kicks ass. It was my 1st real time strategy, followed by Warcraft 1. Always loved Dune 2 more though.
good job man
You can capture buildings.
MultiLimpet , was it by moving an infantry when buildings were low hp?
@@TheOmegaAlfa yes
почему без электричества?
потому что speedrun
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Party pooper
using 1 unit at a time, you need the apm of a korean sc 1 player to get anywhere
Mega mission 😅