Holy Terror, Part 1 - Atop the Fourth Wall
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- Опубліковано 15 бер 2016
- Welcome to Atop the Fourth Wall, where bad comics burn. In this episode, Linkara celebrates his 300th episode by looking at Frank Miller's Holy Terror!
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Originally uploaded June 30th, 2014.
ORIGINAL INFO: The 300th episode is here! What is so horrible to deserve the spot? Well, it’s Miller Time…
RUMINATIONS: And so begins the 300th episode spectacular! I had originally thought that Holy Terror would be a regular episode that I’d do some time after I finished All-Star Batman and Robin, but the more reviews I read and just how much I skimmed through it, I realized this was going to be something that needed to be big.
The reaction, for the most part, has been pretty civil, as I had hoped at the beginning. There are still people arguing in the comments every now and then about religion in general being wrong or that Islam is evil or crap like that, but it’s usually pretty isolated incidents and even then they’re not shouting racial slurs or the like. My parents are the kinds of people who would probably rather I not review the book, not because they liked it, but rather they think I don’t know what I’m talking about. And I of course am the first to admit that I only did the bare minimum of research necessary for this book… but then again, that’s also more effort than Frank Miller put into it. We live in an age where it’s so easy to look this stuff up… but Frank is the kind of person who doesn’t WANT to research it. He’s already made up his mind about it and would prefer to embrace his ignorance and hatred.
One thing I really liked about this one is how long the intro goes for. Some people would just want me to get to the comic and get it over with, but there’s soooo much history for something like that I love to dive deep into it if I have something interesting to share with people. One of SF Debris’ best qualities in his videos is putting forth background information about what went into things - process stories that explain creative choices and I love learning about something like that. As I said in the movie, I love learning about how creators came to the decisions they did - why one thing instead of another. Holy Terror’s history as a Batman book is fascinating to me. And as I said, I was actually in favor of a book like this… as long as it was made in a certain way. At the time of this writing, I recently released a retrospective on the first Blue Beetle. There’s a story where he goes to Germany during World War II and spots Hitler literally transforming into the devil. THAT is the kind of propaganda we want to see - something so utterly ridiculous that you can’t help but laugh. We don’t need propaganda that paints exchange students as potential terrorists - that’s just breeding bigotry. We need something like how I described in the video - terrorists defeated by Hostess Fruit Pies and a movie called “They Saved Osama Bin Laden’s Brain!” We need goofiness, not hatred. In some respects, it’s the way political cartoons work - make the subject into something of laughable ridicule. - Комедії
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"Adam, either you put on some damn pants or this relationship is over!" - Eve
...I want that on a T-shirt.
Well eve after seeing the horrible content like this comic
Copies of Holy Terror that sold in the first month (Sept. 2011) = 9,000+.
Copies of Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan) that sold in first month (Feb. 2014) = 50,000+.
Knowing that an awesome Muslim super heroine beat Frank Miller's racist comic = Priceless
What were the sales of Khaled Houssini's novels on the first month, for comparison's sake?
Hell yea :D
*MLG AIRHORN*
Flint McFreely race religion nationality our point still stands(but you are right)
+Gabriel R you could say that about any religion
I feel like if homelander from the boys met the fixer he'd probably be like"buddy I like your style! Ever thought about joining the seven?!"!
A very interesting one-shot for 'The Boys':
"What If Billy Butcher was raised by homelander"
Not sure. As far as we know, Fixer doesn't have any powers and Homelander (infuriatingly on my part as he's a Superman clone) is kinda master race-y when it cones to Sups. I would also add something about his public image, but he was never good with that.
@@michaeliv284 If Homelander infuriates you, then The Boys has done its job well in communicating the "superheroes are glorified cops" message well.
@@CosmoShidanah yes. A poor message with a poor spoof. Yippee skippee
@@ilopominecrafter Excuse me? But Watchmen also makes the same case for superheroes as glorified cops, or fascists to be exact. If you want a response to this claim, I suggest Aubrey Sitterson's Beef Bros, which reverses the roles of the supers and cops. Instead of cops as allies of the superheroes, they are the supervillains who oppress homeless people and renters who can't pay the bills. Not to mention that the main villain is a landlord who has ice powers. And it's a comedy as well.
I can't help but notice those dimensions are generally the ones used for children's books. That's both disturbing and baffling to me.
I just realized that too
I'm glad I;m not the only person who noticed that. First thing I thought when I saw it.
I just thought of something disturbing, a children’s book written by frank miller.
(Scary isn’t it?)
TheReturnOfRobertELee
Is that true?
If it is, your friend has TERRIBLE taste.
(Apologies if that was rude.)
TheReturnOfRobertELee
I think you dodged a bullet with leaving him
The "bookshelf" part of this video always makes me laugh, kinda reminds me of AVGN, "i can't even fit this godforsaken piece of shit in the electrical outlet!"
'The Fixer' sounds more like a mafia nickname not a superhero. Why not have him dressed up in overalls with wrench symbols? That could be at least interesting.
Which is ironic as in Marvel comics there was a Fixer who worked for the Maggia (Mafia) who later went onto become the awesome Techno of the Thunderbolts
Theres a marvel character with that name is a cyborg that use bombs
Is it wrong that the first person I'm picturing is Mario for some reason?
you're seriously over estimating Frank Miller's ability to create and design characters
@@Rorschach003 The Fixer is a more creative and less embarrassing name when "Snowflake" and "SafeSpace"
Fun fact that someone over on the AT4W site pointed out: The reason why Natalie's feet are highlighted so prominently? In many arabic countries, it's considered rude to show off the bottom of one's feet.
In other words, Frankie boy did enough research to specifically throw off a pair of huge, pointed, red-painted middle fingers on nearly every page for the first half of this opening.
Our 'creator;, everyone.
Gratuitous Lurking
huh
my interpretation was Natalia was a French woman
at one point in history (the specific's allude me) French prostitute's would often travel through fish market's waiting for *COUGH* gainful employment
which often led to them having blood stained shoe bottom's (assuming they could afford shoe's)
so no matter how you interpret it it is still horrible
option 1 Frank going HA HA to any Muslims that look at the panels
option 2 Frank is calling yet another female character a whore
...Huh.
The weird things you find out about history when you work to make fun of someone.
THAT'S THE THING HE RESEARCHED!?
Are-
Is Miller a real person?
PolarPhantom
I feel like I should say no.
Thanks for explaining that
when I read this garbage for myself I was so confused to by that, I assumed he was being pretentious with his art, good to know he was instead being immature and disrespectful
Fun Fact: Even DC took a jab at the "Goddamn Batman" meme. In a storyline in Superman/Batman, little versions of the DC heroes and villains are brought over to the main DCU by Batmite and Myx. When Batman meets his Little counterpart, Little Batman tries to intimidate him and even tried using a variation of the meme, though it's a more kid-friendly version of the phrase, and gets cut off when Bats tells his Little counterpart to Shut Up.
Nice to know that even Batmite, the largest Batman fanboy ever, and Myx, both hate ASBAR
@@eugenideddis he’s a Batman fanboy, not a Crazy Steve fanboy.
@@eugenideddis find it funny that Frank created a series where the abreviation literally has ASS in it.
In one Justice League issue, the League is trying to see who does the best Batman impression, and Diana jokingly calls herself "the goddamn Wonder Woman." Funny, even if it implies bruce has called himself the goddamn Batman at least once in canon.
@@tomsmurf4225 What issue is that?
When a comic book reviewer on the internet knows more about Islam than some politicians.
Vilmundur Gunnarsson And more than many people on the internet (trust me, in comments under videos about Muslims or Islam as well as anything involving diverse cultures, so many people absolutely hateful of Muslims, even to ones who are innocent and only follow the good teachings that contract the negatives. It's saddening how many are hateful towards members of their species).
That it’s sad but shows that linkara is a cut above the rest
Lol a nerd made politicians look bad
I prefer to think Linkara actually knew almost NOTHING about Islam going into this, but he was able to easily debunk all of this comic's nonsense after a minute or two of googling. lol
It is not about Islam per general but a variation of Islam. Particularly Islamic schools that encouraged science and culture. And kudos to Linkara and you lot for pointing that out.
What currently gets the most media-coverage and is considered as ISLAM by right-wingers and religous extremists a like is the Wahabistic (ass-fuck) school which has -ironically- a nostalgic-romantic look at Islam at his early days in which the Muslims defeat the infidels and their culture in order to create a pure Islam. This Wahabism is followed by Al-Queda, ISIS and ... the Saudi ass-fuck government
The shadowed part: That actually is part of the message. That girl is “anyone” so “anyone” can be attacked. Shadows are to represent evil, or mystery, vagueness.
It’s one of the worst parts of the comic for that reason: It actively says “you could be next”
"A nail. A GODDAMN nail. What's a GODDAMN nail doing stuck in my GODDAMN leg?!"
... Holy Terror might have the most outstandingly bad dialogue of any comic, ever.
That's just his regular way of writing these days, watch the ASBAR reviews
It was originally going to be a Batman work, and the "goddamn" thing is a running gag he started when he got wind of what a meme "I'm the goddamn Batman!" had become.
Then there's the scene from the Spirit, where the police chief reprimands the new rookie cop for using a BFG, saying, "Is every goddamn woman in this goddamn hell hole out of their goddamn mind??"
IT'S CALLED A NAIL BOMB FOR A REASON....
@@sebastianemond5313 A BFG?
Were they supplied by the UAC?
15:30 Linkara, I am so very disappointed as you couldn't understand the brilliancy of Miller's storytelling: that cover is clearly telling you that he's fighting strawmen here!
Now that's a good missed opportunity
He's punching a scarecrow.
A really poorly drawn scarecrow.
@@daelen.cclark I didn't know The Wizard of Oz was secretly Al-Qaeda brainwashing propaganda. Thank you for opening my eyes, Frank Miller!
Frank Miller's art hurts my eyes
You're not the only one
It hurts my soul.
Agreed
It's the real reason I avoid his work. It's just too painful to look at that I can't get past it.
I can’t believe people defend his art, it’s shit and it’s always been shit
I love what the title card implies....... That Linkara has had enough of Frank's shit, and punches him out in a manner very much like the "comic book" cover depicts.
This brings a relieved and joyful smile to my face as I imagine this happening... :-)
It honestly makes me think someone did a little reversey that linkara is post to be the villian but is actually the hero and the hero frank is actually the villain also he probably killed the fixer
Heh... I just thought of something for your next Missed Opportunities video. You cite Leviticus 24:16 and blaspheming the name of the Lord? That NEEDS to be followed by a compilation of every single "God-damn" that appears in Frank Miller's works! lol
Speaking of, very progressive of Miller to name Natalie Stack after a qualifier often applied to a woman's bust. Does she have a cousin named Amanda Buxom?
She's probably living with her niece: Tiffany Thomas-Simon.
I do hope that I actually came up with a better pun than him.
Not even Austin Powers is that shameless in it’s innuendo fuelled female names
I am a Christian and I fully support this idea
In the 2003 history of comic books documentary, Comic Book Superheroes Unmasked, Stan Lee near the end stated that, by having a cartoon character or any superhero or any sort of mascot punching a Muslim would be in bad taste. Frankly (no pun intended), Stan was right about this, especially coming from the late golden age comic book legend. Frankie should've, oughta known better.
He really should have.
@@daelen.cclark Eddie Said is spinning in his grave.
I'm guessing Frank would really hate the new Ms. Marvel.
Well he hasn't said anything so either he's trying to keep his mouth shut or he's completely unaware of her existence.
I'm guessing Frank Miller hates any comic book with a female character who's not a prostitute in it.
@@Macrochenia I wonder if he should just procure an escort and get it out of his system
@@redjirachi1 No sex worker deserves to have to deal with Frank Miller.
I actually really like the new Ms marvel I got to read the first volume from the library
I'm not gonna lie, I love that the comment section for this is mostly people being positive towards you, critical of the work itself, or opposed to Islamapohobia. Good job Linkara, you managed to foster one of the nicest communities in the entirety of UA-cam!
I'm certainly TRYING to. XD
I myself have zero tolerance for Islamaphobia. Eventhing about this comic is bad.
+Alienboy I have zero tolerance for fascism, racism, sexism and any other form of bigoted ism.
@Serenity Sleeps Are only going to advocate against sexism because of Islam, or are you truly an advocate against sexism in general?
I guess speaking of racism, who here thinks The Claw could have potential to be reimagined into something, other than some walking caricature of Japanese people in WW2?
Like say, have him be a head of an underground crime syndicate, who was so ruthless and inhumane, that through some sci-fi/supernatural mumbo-jumbo, he ended up getting physically twisted into some yellow-skinned oni demon (given how oni are known to be other colours, than just the standard red), essentially reflecting his true nature from the outside? Could be almost like some comic book take on the old story of Shuten Douji, or something.
In regards to the focus on feet, I feel it should be pointed out that in muslum or arab culture (I'm not sure which it truly applies to), the soles of one's feet are considered unclean. Showing them to someone is considered offensive. So it's likely that Miller included this as a deliberate insult towards them.
So it's just Miller being a racist jackass? Makes sense.
Huh....that makes sense since feet get dirty real easily
I think it’s Middle Eastern culture in general. I think that showing your feet as an insult has a cultural connotation as a Middle Eastern insult. However, I also know that Muslims place emphasis on bodily and spiritual purity.
I can definitely relate to their hatred of feet. Nowadays, you can't even go on the main page of Deviantart without having pictures of feet shoved in your face, and having all their lines, wrinkles, cracks, and specks of dirt be as visible as possible. I don't mind if foot fetishists want to do their thing, but they need to keep that stuff away from the eyes of the general public.
I'd wondered why it was black and white except for, of all things, part of the bottom of not-Catwoman's shoe. This is more disgusting than any possibility I'd considered, and... it makes perfect sense. Dammit, Frank.
I LOVE how the back of the book has "The Fixer"'s name in quotation marks. It's like even whoever wrote that description couldn't take his name seriously!
Here's a scary thought: What if Frank Miller was always this insane, bigoted, callous, and mean-spirited, and he just had really good editors when he started out? Like, Daredevil, Year One, and TDKR were so good because there were people coming in after him sanding off the edges to keep the characters from slipping into his lunacy. But as he got older and more famous, fewer people were willing to go against him and tell him no because comic book elitism, and that's why his work only recently reflects the hateful asshat he's always been. And that's why he keeps getting work, because to the people close to him, he hasn't changed. He's just Frank being Frank to them. They're just eerily tolerant of his awfulness.
Let that unpleasantness stew in your brain for a while.
well the same can be said about George Lucas, the reason the original trilogy is so good is cause the actors adlibbed a lot, others edited his scripts, and offered ideas for the story... if you hear what his original plans were for star wars were... wow... it's a good thing people fixed it.
well, after having read TDKR and batman year one, i can answer at the first part of your question: Miller was already bigoted, and mean-spirited. it is pretty apparent in his treatment of women, who usually are either prostitutes, fat, fat prostitutes, or the kind of strawman/spoilsport that the new comissionner was. at best, they are in the story because related to a man.
also, there are scenes that just feel full of contempt for opinions he doesn't share(the tv show with the psychologists, the interventions of the news criticizing batman, ).
The there's an up and a down to this idea. The down is that Frank has always been like this. The up is that editors are actually doing there job and helped those books out.
Yeah, I'm gonna have to say no to that. Frank Miller is definitely scarier than Islam as a whole. He's literally turning into a crow man as he gets older.
That is quite a depressing thought.
For a very long time whenever I heard Linkara refer to his Holy Terror review, I thought he meant the X-Men one where the mutants got crucified and people tried to make Nightcrawler the pope.
This is so much worse.
That's at least within the realm of comic weirdness. >_>
Y'know, closer to the time this was posted, I was kind of a bigoted asshole. Hated Women, Hated Muslims, and hated Trans People which in hindsight is funny. Anyways I managed to grow a lot over the years, no longer hate women, I think Muslims are pretty chill, and I love trans people so much I became Trans.
Well to get to my point, thank you for being awesome Linkara.
Glad you got out of that mindset.
That gives me hope for people.
Glad you grew as a person.
Wow, you changed into a kind and caring person, my good friend.
What a story
“The Fixer is someone who spays and neutered cats!”
...I wouldn’t recommend taking Chieri or Starfire to him.
Lewis didn’t have the cats yet, but I don’t trust any cats with Miller.
Gives me the mental image of a lioness squaring up to him and going "you do that and I'll give you such a pinch" before kicking him in the god damn bat balls
Thank heaven Marvel did not allow Frank Miller to write Captain America after he did this horrible comic. Apparently he wanted to do it too.
I think that Linkara said this in part three.
I think that Linkara said this in part three.
+Domenico Longo Yeah, thank GOD, can you imagine how fast Cap's reputation would drop and how much damage control Marvel/Disney would have to do?!
+amazonstorm
I kinda wish he did do that, because Disney is fucking *DISNEY*. They could erase all trace of Frank Miller from existence.
+Domenico Longo Because fate is a cruel mistress, in the universe where they let him it became one of the greatest Captain America comics in history. And yes, that is the only difference from our universe. Well that and Half-Life 3 is already out
10:15 it’s true, lovecraft was super racist at times, yet he still revolutionized the horror genre as we know it and practically invented the cosmic horror genre.
I'm pretty sure that's remaining because the guy was like genuinely Just a little bit terrified of the outside world
@@plantainsame2049 "a little bit" understatement of the century lmao
Didn't his mother have him live in a basement during his childhood or something?
With Lovecraft, I just separate art from the artist. With Holy Terror, it's impossible.
@@SnakeRoadComicsOfficial3677 I mean yeah it's kind of easy when the guy is fucking dead
"Frank, either stop being a racist, terrible writer, or this relationship is over."
- me
There. That's playing Franky's quote game even more properly.
"Frank, either you stop sexualizing cities, or this relationship is over." ~ Me
No, you have to make it up and not source it properly:
"Frank, either you take your head out of your anus, or this relationship is over."
Frank Miller. See?
"[race Frank thinks are terorist] are such a [racist insult], and they need to [insult, offensive in 50 states]"
Frank Miller 2001
Wait, we're suppose to be making up fake quotes, and sourcing them wrong right?
My bad,
@@black97_0 "insult, offensive in 50 states"
Belgium?
@@RabblesTheBinx isn't that a country?
How is name of a country an insult in USA?
This episode, more than any other, exemplifies everything that makes Linkara great. The wealth of background info, calling out idiocy and racism, criticizing works on a technical level, being funny while do it, noting anything positive, and a cool storyline segment at the end.
This was actually the first AT4W episode I watched. Definitely a good starting place. Linkara calls out bigotry and hatred, burns a truly bad comic, and then fights an alternate version of himself. What better way to be introduced to this funny little comic book show?
@@DalekTheSupreme TOTALLY the best.
@@DalekTheSupreme debatable given this is the worst comic he's done that isn't about rape. Shows his talents but, as even noted here, this is a more serious episode than he usually does since he covers mainly goofily written or bad stories,. Don't get me wrong, it's extremely goofy (beady Bin Laden or Al-Quaeda's air force anyone?) but not enjoyably silly. Sets up a weird precedent is what I mean.
Which makes me sad whenever i see people mock him or say he is a manchild because he "can't take a joke"
Like wow, the guy is being harassed online, his friends are being stalked through email, all by people who hate his views on media and have used a stupid nickname for him that is toed to an old web comic he made and has denounced. But all of that is ignored because someone online made a video that mocked him once and he didn't "take it well" but ol Walker, could take it "like a champ" forgetting all the rotten things he did and ignoring the good that Lewis has, and continues, to try and do.
@@ShanaReviews Ironic that people say Doug Walker is better than Lewis Lovhaug, as Walker basically destroyed Channel Awesome with his vanity projects and generally treated his fellow creators poorly, while Lovhaug has always tried to build on a formula that works rather than abandoning it and as far as I know has at least tried to respect his fellow creators. All because Lovhaug wants to leave Lightbringer behind him.
Given how bad a lot of Frank Miller's comics can be, the fact that this is the only one that he has completely disowned should tell you something.
Oh... Oh God...
I think I read somewhere that he regretted Holy Terror
@@count_bodies_like_sheep9296 Lewis mentioned it in his DK3 review. Honestly with how far he went, and as bad as he went, I guess I can imagine how terrible and vulnerable everyone felt in NYC post-9/11.
He already had horrible takes in various things, I guess I suppose 9/11 accelerated his radicalization.
I'm a fifteen year old Christian girl and I believe that I'm very lucky to attend a church that teaches that we are here to love other, not to judge them. You cannot lump everyone who is Muslim into one group and then label them as terrorists. Heck, there are some people who take it to an extreme and claim that everyone from the Middle East is a terrorist. (By that logic, they're calling Jesus a terrorist since he was born in Isreal.) I believe that our society has become scared of anything that is different from our norm, as has happened throughout the centuries.
All I wish is that the world could try to understand each other and put our prejudice and misconceptions aside. You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.
You have more intelligence than most of these commentators.
Pisces I simply believe that those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
It's all a problem of taking one's holy book seriously or not, and if so, which of the (numerous) contradictory parts. Try skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/sword.html for an example :p
while I hate monolithic religions and every so often refer followers of those religion cultist but I do not hate the followers of those religions
All real religions preach love and kindness at their core. Those that use religion as an excuse to punish and kill are ALWAYS in the wrong.
I think this is the first time I have seen Linkara flip-off a book.
He did to Marville too.
And also graduation day
And then Youngblood #10 happened.
No he's done it before all comparable to this in different ways
You know, the whole Dirty Harry comparison that miller pulled is totally insane when you think about the fact that even Harry Callahan would not go so far as The fixer in this comic. I mean, yes there is the thing in the first movie where Harry puts his foot at Scorpios wounded leg to press the info out of him where he hid the girl, but that was only in the first movie and he never did it again and he did get in trouble for it.
Harry, while bending the law, was still a police officer and he even went after the vigilante cop gang in the second movie nor was he a racist bigot.
LtHavoc1983 yeah and harry calleghan is noted as not being a racist- he hates everyone, doesnt care about nationality or anything like that. Dirty Harry doesnt discriminate, all are treated with his equal hatred!
Connor notyerbidness
Gee, that's sort of sad, when I think about it. Sure it's miserable for Dirty Harry to be a dick to everyone, but I agree that it's better for a jerk to be a jerk to everyone.
Just think of it: Would you rather see a jerk keep his ire targeted to only certain people, or would you rather see a jerk be douchey to everyone equally? For me, I think both kinds are terrible people, but the picky-target jerk is worse than the I-hate-everyone jerk.
Well, the thing however is, that Harry does evolve as a character throughout the movies, in the first he is that cynical Cop held back by politicans that want to tell him how to do his job and then has to go to extremes to stop Scorpio, while in the second movie he has little sympathy for the Cops that go out and kill criminals because Harry still believes in the law.
In the third movie he actually warms up to his female partner and changes his mind on that front, while in Sudden Impact he lets the rape victim turned vigilante off the hook because he feels that what she did was justified and he shows empathy towards her (its also the movie where he cynically remarks how he loves to wade through the scum of the city).
By The Dead Pool, he is sort of a cop celebrity and is first against his Asian partner, but only because his partner often die in the line if duty and he doesnt want to see it happen again, still they become friends and Harry hooks up with the female reporter. While he is still Dirty Harry and still does what he does best, he isnt a cold blooded killer or total jerk.
Harry would disagree with how the Fixer acts in the comic on principle alone even if they are terrorists because Harry still works within the confines of the law and has a strong morals and ethics he works by, even if he sometimes crosses the line.
By the Way in the first movie, Harry is shown to be friends with the black doctor that treats him and in Sudden Impact he also has a black buddy that then gets killed, to the horror of Callahan. Just thought I point that out.
Not to mention there's a big difference between putting pressure on a leg wound, an injury that while it could hamper someone's mobility for life if gone too far can still be mitigated, and standing on the business part of someone's SPINE and threatening to make them a para/quadra-palegic, something that can result in immediate Coma due to shock or DEATH if gone too far.
I am not even sure if Frank Castle is that batshit insane as The Fixer is in this comic........
dang. some how frank miller made ULTIMATUM look like the new watchmen!
Ultimatum was certainly a mess but it did have some interesting ideas and actually felt like a coherent story with stuff actually going on, unlike holy terror and countdown.
Gundam Fan 75 At least the Ultimate universe led to the creation of Miles Morales
The art... dear God the art... and this guy still gets work?
my sister looked over and said "what the heck" to which I replied by saying "i know, I could draw better, our younger dyslexic brother can draw better and could write better than this 'professional'"
I know a 14 year old who can draw better then this.
clearspira it’s a bizarre thing in the industry: you make 2-3 iconic stories and you get work for life no matter how horrid your work degrades down to.
I hope not
There are some parts that almost look stylized rather than lazy.
Almost.
I remember this then as I remember it now... Holy Terror is the worst comic ever... and it only caused Frank Miller's career to careen further down into obscurity.
Dang that bad huh?
leon4000 Yep.
Frank Miller may be alot of things, but obscure is not one of them. even people who don't read comics know who he is.
Why the fuck does Miller still get work anymore?
because linkara fans are insane
so about the hostess fruit pies war propaganda, the powerpuff girls comic series actually parodied this particular thing. The powerpuffs gave mojojojo a banana mostess fruit pie and he stopped terrorizing Townsville. I never got it as a kid but now it makes so much sense.
Damn....... that's a 4d chess reference right there.........
They also parodied them in a Spider-Man
18:52 Linkara, I'm sueing! you nearly killed my brother; he was laughing so hard!
I can only thank God (or whatever deity one's religion follows) that this has not become a Batman book. It would be a complete betrayal of the character. After ASBAR, it seems that DC finally drew the line to keep Miller from writing Batman.....at least until DK3.
9:56 Really Frank? I already knew modern mathematics were rooted on Arab culture when I was studying GRADE SCHOOL math. 0-9 are know as Arabic numerals! Then again, you could probably tell Miller about modernized Muslim countries like United Arab Emirates and Turkey and he would probably plug his ears.
at least he isn't the one doing the bulk of the writing. it's azzarello (however you spell it) and it's a good story so far.
Thank god we have Kamala Khan. She is Marvel's fuck you to Frank Miller. Plus she's awesome :3
UAE actually has *really beautiful* cities. Look up images of Dubai some time. It's absolutely stunning, and the most expensive city in the world to live in.
Wellll... I have a friend who grew up in the UAE, and it was pretty misogynistic. One of her friends was forced to marry a man twice her age. And she had to deal with grown men asking to marry her - when she was 12 years old.
(Of course, it’s not as though that’s something exclusive to Islam, and the victims of that treatment were Muslims themselves)
@@Cybermat47 I don't think people aren't saying that the UAE is perfect, but for people who think that they all live in caves and can't read, knowing that one of the most impressive cities in the world is in the UAE is a good counter.
Considering the city is named Empire, I keep hoping Cole McGrath will show up with Zeke and shock the Fixer
Yep, i'll would totally see that.
So Frank was trying to write "Osama bin Laden Has Farty Pants" about ten years too late and played completely deadface straight?
Yep..... that's it right there..... that's the nail on the head....... and that saddest part of that is Frank Miller couldn't be more clever than two idiot paper puppeteers shitposting on Comedy Central
Recently Franky boy said that he won't watch Batman vs. Superman or Daredevil (tv show) because he didn't write it. His ego is almost as big as his bigotry b
+Tyler Shewchuk I can KINDA understand Batman v Superman as it's based on one of the few GOOD stories he's written, but pretty much the only thing the Daredevil Netflix show has of his is the costume in the first season! Really, Frank? REALLY?
+David Spring I guess he's spiteful of the fact that his latest films (The sequels to 300 and Sin City) didn't give much headway of their popularity. Along with his flop of a film, The Spirit.
Wonder how Alan Moore thinks of him...
I can understand not liking it for reasons, but for yourself not writing it? That's just all the dicks.
+Tyler Shewchuk I think I saw a picture of him actually at the premiere of BvS, too. (So Frank is Wishy-washy as well, who's surprised?)
Little known fact, Jeff Smith (creator of the critically acclaimed “bone” series and a fan of the 1940’s captain marvel comics), was visiting New York with frank miller and Paul Pope in NY a month after 9/11 and it inspired him to make his “monster society of evil” story.
So while Smith made one of the best Shazam series in decades, Miller made terribly drawn & terribly racist sludge.
Bottom line: Jeff Smith is awesome and doesn’t suck, while Miller threw away any good he had left from Daredevil and sucks.
captain Rockatron yup that’s right In fact Jeff Smith shazam monster society of evil miniseries because that retells the origin of captain marvel billy baston and Mary marvel and it’s tons of fun
Tevya Smolka
Yet another reason why I love that series.
@@daelen.cclark indeed and also that series also gave us one of my favorite versions of Mary marvel and billy bastons brother and sister dynamic of all time it was so cute and adorable.
Tevya Smolka
Agreed! (I also subscribed to you.)
captain Rockatron indeed and thank you man 😎
8:56 You know what, I'll even try my hand at that. Let me set the scene;
The Fixer and Natalie Stack have been captured and are in a cell guarded by one of not al-Qaeda's soldiers. The terrorist is young, maybe 21 at the most, and is more just going along with this because it's all he's been taught. All he knows about the US is what The Leader has told him.
Natalie, in a moment of hungry frustration, takes a fruit pie out of her pocket, which the terrorist notices. When she explains what the fruit pie is, the terrorist says he has never had a fruit pie, that they are just rumors he hears from other people, a fairy tale of The US if you will. The Fixer takes a gamble and offers the terrorist the fruit pie if he will let them out. The terrorist takes a bite of fruit pie, realizes he loves it, and lets the two free. He offers his help to the heroes, but another terrorist comes in, sees young terrorist as a traitor, and shoots him dead. The Fixer and Natalie KO the other terrorist, and briefly say how monstrous terrorists can be, seeing how fast they can turn on each other, then the story proceeds.
This way, I feel, is a decent compromise between Miller's seriousness and the doofy way propaganda comics back then were. What do you guys think?
Heck, that's actually great idea
They’d end up gunned by the terrorists who then stomp on the fruit pies.
as a man who is dating someone from indonesia who happens to be a muslim, i can safely say i hate frank miller and all that he stands for.
yeah. there are terrosts. but at the same time, there ARE indeed decent people who are islamic. my girlfriend, you wouldnt even be able to tell she is muslim unless she says it outright, and in fact, is one of the most chill people i have ever met. and her family (at least her mom and dad) while they dont speak english, they are still very civil and polite... even treating me like a son of sorts. google translate kinda gave me an idea of what my gfs mom says on fb. and my gf is kinda my translator. this comic paints people who are islamic as horrible people... but frankly there are people like my girlfriend who are, for lack of a better word, awesome. and deserve to be friends with.
and while indonesia are run by assholes.... my girlfriend says most of the population opposes them, and want more freedom in their lives.
supersmashbro596
Thank you my good man, for saying that!
It really makes me happy that you’re among the many commenters telling people how Islamic folk are really nice people.
(That’s a message that I feel needs to be heard a lot more these days.)
That was beautiful and Frank Miller can go straight to hell for vilifying people like your girlfriend and her parents.
Plus it's typical of white Americas to think they're the good guys when they did similar things. But then, "Smallpox Larry" was a gentle soul(!)
14:00 I THINK it's supposed to be a Litham, a men's veil used in North Africa (apparently it predates Islam by about 1000 years too). It's basically a men's Niqab, and likewise is taken off during pilgrimage. You see it the most on Tuaregs, who call it the Chech. BUUUUT , I'm pretty sure it's not used in Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, or Iraq, where Al Queda did much of its recruiting. I'm 99% sure that the 9/11 attack was by Saudis, not other nationalities. While I'm not ruling out North Africans as part of Al-Queda (since it started out as a volunteer group acting against "Western" imperialism), I really don't think that's worn by most members of Al-Queda. Afghans usually wear caps and scarfs separately. It COULD be a Shemagh wrapped around the face, but it's not drawn that way.
I'd just call it a poorly drawn racist stereotype, since that's pretty much what this book is about.
I actually looked up Leviticus 24. Apparently that quote is about a fight that broke out between an Israelite and an Egyptian. It also goes onto say that anyone who injures someone else is to be injured the same way, and that if you kill an animal you must make restitution -- life for life, but if you kill another human being you are to be put to death. Leviticus was basically a set of laws from what I gather. It also mentions the nature of the covenant Aaron had with the Lord and ritual guidelines.
Shadethewolfy That’s neat. But it does prove his point, that if you take a qoute without context it can have a meaning it shouldnt have.
@@RJRogerJ This is true
Leviticus is the no-fun book. :-)
Eh... a lot more of the bible is worse, even in context
Out of all the books Linkara has reviewed on this channel, THIS is the one that deserved it the most.
How so?
@@robertkenny1201 Isn't it obvious? It's because it's the most bigoted thing that ever graced this channel. If you don't believe me, just watch the review.
@@Merit2397 Ah more so then the one more day?
@@robertkenny1201 Uh, how is Spider-Man: One More Day bigoted? I admit, while that's MY least favorite comic ever I don't remember anything being bigoted or racist being said in that "story". Although maybe you could argue Marry Jane's treatment in it was a bit sexist.
Has anyone ever turned Linkara lipsyncing ''What is Love'' into a freaking GIF? Because that would be beautiful
This is my first linkara video.
Im already obsessed.
+Silver Charters NONE SHALL ESCAPE.
This was my first too! Welcome to hell!
Silver Kendra
To be fair more people need to watch his show.
Bit of a late heads up, but in any case, Atop the Fourth Wall is a storyline based webshow, so unlike Nostalgia Critic or AVGN, there is a plot to the series. Don't worry, none of it really affects the reviews, and there's compilations of the storylines without the reviews if you're interested.
Sooo are still obsessed
I'm really getting tired of Frank's pointless repetition.
Pointless repetition.
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Pointless repe- *hit*
Ow.
You forgot to repeat the first sentence at the end.
You forgot.
Forgot.
Forgot.
You forgot to repeat the first sentence at the end.
ZAITUN OIL
Bobsheaux and god damn he forgot to put god damn in every god damn sentence. God damn
Out of the 350+ episodes so far, this is the only one that actually made me feel uncomfortable and uneasy. The idea that something like this could be created, and with sincerity, is utterly baffling.
But yeah, the bit about the size comparison really does evoke AVGN. :P
Like his review on Plumbers Don't Wear Ties where he talked about the cases for the 3DO games?
nepomusik I got that feeling from watching the All Star and marville reviews. Just, dear god. That's all I can say
It was independently made so... When DC had thier hands in it, it was just supposed to be silly and dated propaganda for the 10th anniversary from what I can tell. Batman Vs Al-Quaeda but we know that. From what I've ascertained, this version was not supposed to be lead by Bin Laden but some stupid charactaure which is how The Beady Terrorist Leader came to be. It's when Frankie broke away from DC that this...thing became so bigoted.
Note to self: when you're making a comic, make sure not to keep repeating sentences over and over again.
+fullmetalmasify basic writing is hard, basic "Writting" is hard!
fullmetalmasify What if you’re making a comic book where a main character has OCD? And story is narrated from his or her perspective?
@@juhaniaho6698 that could be interesting, but you’d have to be careful not to be mocking, and I think having a ritual with more story impact than just repeating words would be better.
Why. Does. Frank. Miller's. Dialogue. Always. Look. Like. This.
Frank. Miller's. Dialogue. Always. Looks. Like. This. And. I. Don't. Know. Why.
Can. Someone. Explain. Why. Frank. Miller. Thinks. People. Talk. This. Way.
“Oh! No! My! Acting! Is! Going! Shatner!”
That is one of the world least important mysteries
I don't *know* what's going *on.* I *think* it's *spreading!* *Please* send *help!*
The "What Is Love?" Joke (27:14) is my favorite part of this whole review.
We should have the leader of Al-Qaeda be a robot from the future who has psychic powers.
That would be crunk
Anytime I feel myself slipping too far to the right, thinking things along the lines of "ANOTHER TERROR ATTACK!?! Maybe we shouldn't let these people in..." I re-watch this review in its entirety. I want to thank you, Linkara. You helped remind me that fear is what they want and to not give in to that. We should all remember that. Now more than ever. I'm not gonna get political, just going to say that we shouldn't be afraid of others and if we turn our back on those that need our help out of fear, then we are no longer America, at least not the country I knew nor the one my family has served for 4 generations in the armed forces.
Lord Tzeentch I didn't want to get drawn into a debate but you peaked my interest. I agree that they should be veted, our system is the most stringent in the world here in the U.S. Also how can you tell? How can you truly weed out terrorists from non. Simply holding those views isn't enough, as we of course have many Americans that hold similar views. Not a majority, but enough to cause trouble. Also once they're in, they're in and getting in via plane or some other means is beyond easy. "Coming for business or pleasure sir?"
"Oh a lil of both... heh heh heh..."
"Right. Enjoy your stay."
That was a REAL conversation with a real customs agent and a Muslim passenger. He said to me "I just joke with them to see if they'll ever do anything. They never do! If I put on a sombrero and talk "like this" (a la Speedy Gonzales) they think I'm a Mexican!" My point is unless we're gonna be vetting people by just denying entry we are kinda screwed. And we literally can't do that, even if we wanted. Because Saudi Arabia is where allot of this comes from. And we're tied to them by a belt made of gasoline hoses and money.
Well, for one thing actually making sure people staying temporarily, leaving when they are supposed too.
Second, keep track more of the radicalizing training camps and known terrorist sympathizers who recently took trips in the general area (there was actually a terror group down here in Oz that had left the country, to go to a known terrorist training camp, came back with a 'temporary' guy and plotted to blow up essentially Australian Superbowl)
Vetting is an actual process, by checking backstories, making sure their reason for coming here check out and they aren't on any watch lists. We should also follow up on immigration of any kind, similar to how the US follows up on Marriage green cards. Especially from places with high terror or dictatorship places, such as the Middle East, Indonesia and South America.
There should also be more integration. It may be too late for Australia, and possibly Europe, but Europe can TRY to avoid the self-segregation it is currently facing, with vast reaches becoming defacto Muslim and Middle Eastern. You cannot import massive amounts of people without helping them settle in among the entire population. If you do not, they will form communities.
Little Italy is charming. It is also a TERRIBLE failure of importation and was the nexus of a criminal hub when Italians were imported en masse. Why do people think Arabic peoples wouldn't do the same thing, congregate together, maintain their culture and form a micronation without diffusing amongst the population like a Melting Pot is supposed too.
Lord Tzeentch But they don't generally do such things unless there's a reason. And even then we'd havta allow it. I'm not sure what you say is the scenario for all of us I mean we can still turn the place into glass. But the majority of these folks aren't terrorist. They care about their religion about as much as Christians do, which is not much. IDK what the answer is, but fear ain't it.
Well no, Muslims are generally more religious than Christians, but that's not really relevant. I also don't think Fear is the answer and never advocated for it. I advocate for wariness. There is a difference.
What we need is more Post-Immigration Vetting, which works for more than just terror.
We also need to recognize that it is EASIER, MORE EFFECTIVE and NOT ILLEGAL to put refugees in the closest safe place, like the vast camps still in the middle east but a safe part, that are empty and not being filled with immigrants. Apparently, this may be hyperbole, you can help 10 Refugees in the Closest Safe Nation (aka the place refugees are supposed to go, not wherever the hell they want) for the cost of 1 refugee in Europe
I try to stay in the middle of the road. Not too right leaning and not too left leaning. I feel watching Linkara helps me with that struggle.
We should have this fixer get blown up by Marvel's Fixer. A tech mercenary who can build many robot bodies to hide himself, and is much cooler than Miller's fixer.
He's more like " The Destroyer" to me.
Anyone else wanna see the Fixer get his ass handed to him by Miss Marvel?
***** dude the fixer sucks, have miss marvel kick his ass first atleast
Yes God yes someone please draw that, I don't care about the quality just draw it.
Carol Danvers or Kamala Khan?
***** Kamala foreber!!
peter burczyk Do people actually read Miss Marvel?
"RIGHT. ON.MY.ASS."
Am I the only one that finds these hilarious?
Frank is a freaking genius.
(Please sense my sarcasm)
It is funny but he ain't no genius.
And no one seems to have read “sarcasm,” though I might be misreading these
I'm still trying to figure out what happened to the writer of The Dark Knight Returns and The Hard Goodbye
Based on the 500th episode...the DC version of the Borg broke his brain then assimilated him.
There needs to be some kind of sarcasm font or something.
I think this is my favorite of your milestone episodes as Sonic Live was a mostly harmless comic and despite the idiocy of One More Day, well, I'm with Spidey until the end of the line. This comic, however, damn. Just damn. You were completely in the right to rip this thing to shreds. I normally try to see the good in as much as I can, but there is probably not a single redeeming thing in this comic. Also, props to you for getting in some very good comedy throughout the review as well.
This is my favorite of the four, because I found the 400th one disappointing.
Actually it is one . The leader at the end fits perfectlly with how propaganda comics should be stupid,ridiculous and Impossible to take seriously. To bad he doesnt fit the tone the book is supposed to have and has only two pages of honestlly hilarious dialoguri who even then is like that because of Frank awful writting
Frank Miller is a messed up person.
No shit!
Really have you ever read his old works on daredevil or wolverine, punisher anything else just because he reviewed this particular comic should not color your perception on a guy you've never met.
Waruboi that’s a great big understatement
The aliens stole his brain and replaced it with mashed potatoes
You see the aliens wanted to be creative and clever writers like Frank Miller (1970s-1990s) so they kidnapped him and stole his brain and used it become very talented writers and they're probably going to be Winning a Eisner award for their work.
if he ran for president, he'd be worse then trump
I know plenty of Muslims who smoke, Frank. You should meet them, they're pretty swell people.
why? what did those Muslims do to you?
Nothing. Just relating some factoids from my deployment is all.
Christian Neihart it was a joke about why they shouldn't meet Frank
(Because he's terrible)
Anthony Rodriguez The joke went whoosh.
Nope can't do it the art style hurts my eyes to much.
I love it when Linkara says "It Doesn't Fit That Way Either"
I like to imagine that the reason this isn't a Batman comic, is that there was originally a scene with the Joker in it, but then the Joker broke the fourth wall and threatened to kill everyone involved if Miller went through with it. Miller tried to cut the scene, but the text just came back up, and eventually emailed itself to the editors, who made sure to shut the project down.
Miller's writing is stupid, his art is hard to look at, and the saddest thing is that he gets paid for it, their are writers and artists who do incredible works for FREE on the internet. Why they can't be hired instead of Frankie boy is a mystery i'm still trying to solve.
They didn’t create a Batman story that DC still wanks over nearly thirty years later.
I did make a prediction half a year ago. Either the big four get thier shit together or they'll find no one will join them because horror stories involving them are no longer possible to keep quiet forever. They'll find they are stuck with the same handful of creators. Deviantart, Pinterest, even UA-cam to some extent outshine the big four in this regard.
Who would win in a fight? Crazy Steve or the Fixer.
Boomstick: "IT'S TIME FOR A DEATH BATT- oh f*ck it, they both lose."
Vilmundur Gunnarsson well crazy Steve can somehow make bleach go on fire and also has the skill of batman (somehow) so crazy Steve wins
I'm hoping they kill each other.
they are the both same person
Whoever wins, we lose
DC refused to have this published, but lovingly had Miller write DKIII, which had delays and kept expanding over the original 3-4 issue miniseries format, and he may even write a fourth Dark Knight book.
They didn't had Miller writing it. It's pretty much all Brian Azzerello who's DC's new golden boy in spite of his lack of talent.
POLE7645 it was still his idea, his storyline, his "characters", and his artwork.
POLE7645 I'm not a Brian Azzerello fan by any means, but even I'll admit that his work is light years... and I mean light years ahead of Post-THE DARK KNIGHT STRIKES AGAIN Frank Miller!
What Frank SHOULD have done is write this more like Team America: World Police. In that movie, it makes fun of not only the terrorist, being bumbling, suicidal morons, but also the Americans as idiotic warmongers who don't have a shred of self-awareness of their actions. I mean Kim-Jon Ill is a freaking alien trying to take over the world for crying out loud!
I guess this is why TheAmazingAsshat didn't like Linkara--he's not a complete jackoff about other people having a religion and a pretentious holier than-thou doucecanoe. Nice.
That is just needless speculation and serves no purpose, other than having 4chan-tier discussions.
Nah, TAA wrote a post about it after he left TGWTG (or was it Channel Awesome at that point? I'm not really sure)
On an unrelated note, welcome to the internet.
msmwkc I never said he did not like the guy, but the reason why is the speculative part.
Who?
julianarwen The Amazing Atheist
I love how Linkara thanked us for being so understanding
Man. I thought Frank Miller couldn't get any worse. I was wrong. I was so terribly wrong.
O ye of little faith.
I’ve learned to expect nothing from this writer. That way, when I discover something good he’s made, I’m pleasantly surprised
Despite my irrational disdain and mistrust of others this is ridiculous. C'mon Frank.
The book size reminds me of some of the books that are used to collect newspaper comics. The last four collections of Calvin and Hobbes were printed like that, but those were in paperback, not hard cover. Also, they were collections of a full year of newspaper comics and were printed that way because of Bill Watterson's new Sunday strip structure, with some of the Sunday strips having 30 panels of varying sizes that used cinematic visuals and told massive abstract stories that needed the size increase so that people could read them. There are more ridiculous book sizes for comics (I own the second and fourth volume collects of Popeye), but even then they can be explained by they being older comics that had an entire news page dedicated to one Sunday strip. Holy Terror doesn't have that excuse.
Someone should send a thesaurus or two to Frank so that he doesn't have anymore excuses, and so we can laugh.
...So how was that cake that appeared in the midroll?
+CapedLuigiYoshi Delicious. =3
+Linkara-AtopTheFourthWall Did anyone else have that cake?
Yep!
Who made the cake? I WANT IT.
+William Glover I think Dairy Queen
The art's gonna give me a headache
I'm watching this on September 11th, oh joy
Good lord, this artwork is awful! I'm personally not a fan of Frank Miller's art style, but at least when I read "The Dark Knight Returns", the artwork was coherent and had a sense of effort and passion behind it. With this crap, I feel like I'm looking at a comic that hasn't even been finished. As in, it barely got started at all. Btw, I like how the title card for this episode parodies the comic's cover, but looks more plausible than the cover itself. XD
Hi, I'm Teddy and have Autism and Yeah Frank Miller's a jerk and this comic is horrible. Great art you draw too it's cute and adorable Love your DA works. :D
The first three chapters of The Dark Knight Returns were drawn by Klaus Janson.
I still can't believe you put "celebrates" and "Holy Terror" in the same description.
Here's my new story for Frank Miller's Holy Terror (btw, instead of propaganda this is more of a social-political drama): After the same quote (instead with Osama Bin Laden's name), we have an establishing shot of Empire City. Then, one the ground, there's a young Arab couple (Ameena and some guy) walking to a bar, they enter, dance blah blah blah, but then it's revealed the guy has something beneath his coat, Ameena is angry and ducks, calling him a traitor to their faith and BANG! Title page. Transition to a News Channel, when it's the next week, and Ameena is on the News having survived but being crippled, and is giving a speech about how Al Quaeda aren't Muslims, they're terrorists, and that if we focus on racism against Islamic groups, then we leave ourselves open to terrorists. We transition to a man in front of his TV in the dark, we see in flashbacks that he has severe PTSD from the Iraq war, and that he'd lost his family at 9/11. He's a broken man, and could snap and go on a murder rampage at any moment. He goes to his closet where there's a jumpsuit acting as vigilante garb. An hour later, he's on the Police Station with Dan Donegal (fight me), and they're discussing the current situation. Dan says "Hey, I've been asked by the President to assign protection for the girl Ameena while she's still here, was hoping you could be of help." The Fighter (new name) goes over to her safe house with Ms Stack who owes him after something. They're talking when suddenly there's a knock at the door, we see The Fighter has gun behind his back, and suddenly, instead of answering the door, he shoots an adjacent window, figuring out it was a trap and looks through the peep hole, seeing a man in black garb to hide his identity, shoots through the door, and interrogates him before he kills himself. The three of them realise they need to move so they get into a car, Fighter driving as they constantly cross the street to be sure they're not being followed. They arrive at the train station where a man in a trench coat pulls a gun and a little fight ensues, suddenly multiple of them begin firing indiscriminately at civilians and they throw a smoke grenade, this is where we see they're fighting, however Fighter has a flashback just at the wrong moment and a terrorist stabs him, Ameena shooting him in the leg and Natalie trying to get the civilians to safety. The train is cancelled and they find a secluded spot to rest, where the Fighter fully divulges his backstory, and Ameena confronting them about murdering those men. Telling them that they need to prove they're better than the terrorists. Suddenly the Fighter gets a call from the police chief saying that they've found an Al Queada safe house and could use his help, having assigned someone else to take care of Ameena. We cut to Natalie and Fighter at the safe house which is being stormed by SWAT teams, along this we also see that Ameena is contending with her new protector who's actually about to kill her before she fends him off despite her wheelchair. After another action scene, Fighter is with the head of this Al Quaeda division, who he punches right in the face, when he's about to kill him, he thinks about what Ameena said at the station and decides to arrest him. *The end I guess?*
Samuel Barber
That WOULD be better.
I must admit this would be intriguing.
You ought to have THAT published.
"The Fixer is much closer to Dirty Harry than Batman." Uh, no. No, no, no and no. The Fixer is NOTHING like Dirty Harry! Why? Because even Dirty Harry has humanity. Remember the first time he did the "Do you feel lucky?" routine in the first movie. Yes, I know all the P.C. jackasses out there are gonna bitch and moan about it, but here's the thing - the addressee in that movie was just some punk kid who had fallen in with the wrong crowd and Harry knew that. It was his way of telling the guy to get his shit together. Also, the way that Harry delivers the speech is laid back, suave and downright jokey. Scorpio, however, is a monster who shows zero regret for his actions. And when Harry does the "Do you feel lucky?" routine with him, there is nothing but hatred in his voice. Harry is a good judge of character. The Fixer and, by extension, Frank Miller, are not.
I love the intro for this. It’s rare someone has that much faith in his fans and also wants to peacefully deal with this issue
... Obviously the fixer is punching an albino ninja... Or maybe one of the alternate universe minions from Hagan's reviews.
Oh please. The Mistress would annihilate The Fixer with a thought.
I don't trust frank to know or show this, but fragmentation type explosions have a much wider kill radius with shrapnel than with heat and concussive force. It also makes sense to maximize lethality for people who don't care about collateral damage. Mind you I'm not an expert on this, aside from having a comfy armchair.
I just love Linkara's righteous indignation here. Gives me a chuckle just how hard he rips into Miller's bullshit.
You know, I could actually see some potential in re-imagining someone like The Claw. Like say, have him originally be the head of an undergound, Japanese crime syndicate, who was so ruthless and inhumane, that at some point, through some kind of supernatural/sci-fi mumbo-jumbo, he ended up being physically twisted into some kind of yellow-skinned oni demon of sorts.
I guess sort of almost like a modern day Shuten dōji of sorts.
That wasn't just crunk. That was the bomb diggity for schizzle do you know what I am saying?
Given the way Hostess fruit pies taste these days, you could have had the terrorists be defeated by feeding them Hosted fruit pies.
Oh boy, here we go... Get your white squares and Sin City lifted art, and prepare the pink lemonade! This is gonna huuurt...
Watching him yell about how big the comic is is the best shit ever
So you know all comments on this video aren't negative. Good work Lewis, this was a video that needed to be made, probably one of my favorite episodes.
I am still thoroughly convinced that the dimensions of the book were designed that way so they would stick out & deliberately trip people up cuz it's the only way to get buyers' attention. Because ole' Frankie-poo has all the maturity of those annoying tween snots who have nothing better to do than harass & bully girls that they supposedly "like."
I also speak from experience as someone who used to shelve library books. Ours had a copy of this piece of crap (that was no doubt donated by someone who didn't want it in their house anymore), & I had to watch my step when shelving stuff in that aisle. Same goes for a copy of "300" they had.
"He's right on my ass.
Right. On. My. Ass.
What is his goddamn problem?
All I did was steal a lousy diamond bracelet.
And now he's right on my ass."
Worst limerick ever.
Max Bennie Also, if it's so lousy, why steal it to begin with?
Max Bennie Linkara nailed Frank Miller's writing style :"Deep poetic prose. Deep poetic prose. I LOVE THIS CITY. BECAUSE I LOVE IT. I LOVE IT. THE BUILDINGS ARE LIKE MY PENIS. ERECT. BECAUSE I LOVE IT!!!"
Read that like comic book guy.
Honestly I think a far bigger problem with the idea of a war on terror propaganda comics is that the war on terror is a lot harder to justify than the second world war.
In Iraq alone more than half a million civilians have been killed and as a consequence of an illegal war.
While civilian deaths were also high during the WWII the conflict was much more justified the Axis powers were the clear aggressors in the war and the allies were attempting to defend their own borders and the borders of their allies from invasion. And the Nazi invasion was accompanied by genocidal mass slaughters of those they deemed inferior.
Iraq was invaded on false pretenses so that Bush could finish what his father had started and the occupation of Afghanistan has failed. As soon ad the United States pulls put the Taliban will reassert itself and so we’ve been stuck in that quagmire for close to 20 years. There are people who were born on 9/11 who are now old enough to fight in Afghanistan.
You can’t really make propaganda for the war on terror that doesn’t endorse the war on terror. And well the general consensus on that is that it’s a pointless forever war that exists only so the military industrial complex can line its pockets with the tax payers dollars while expanding the American police state.
Exactly. Thus the idea of satirizing such propaganda. Taking the propaganda to such an extreme that it's not only obvious but overtly facetious, as a form of ironic entertainment and condemnation of the war on terror. Now... still not the greatest idea... but not the worst.
As for the comparison...yeah. WWII had issues too in a good number of ways. But that said, the Iraq War was basically Imperialism. WWII was a war between the leading Imperialist powers against upstart Imperialist powers. War between Imperialist powers vs just Imperialism...
The saddest thing is,this comic could have been The Dark Knight Returns of post 9/11 America.But Miller was so smug and ignorant that he butchered it.
Holy shit. It's been five years since Linkara reviewed Holy Terror. I feel old. (I am old.)
Nope! It's been seven. This is a reupload - the original came out in 2014.
This art really...blows. Thank you, thank you! Tip your waitress
"The sixth century barbarism they represent. I'm speaking into a microphone that never could have been a part of their culture."
To Frank Miller, and all the other islamophobes out there, the Islamic World preserved much of the classical knowledge from ancient Greece, things that we revere as being the basis for western civilization, when the rest of Europe was plunged into the Dark Ages and the vast majority of that knowledge was lost to them, aside from a few scattered places here and there, like in Ireland.
Also, while religious minorities in muslim societies like the Umayyad caliphate were required to pay an additional tax and weren't allowed to hold positions of power, they were pretty much guaranteed freedom of speech and freedom of religion. Compare that to European societies at the time, who persecuted, jews and pagans, forced them off their lands and stole their property, and even tortured people, all in an attempt to convert them to christianity.
Both sides have done great things and terrible things, and we need to acknowledge that, rather than applying a childish black and white morality system to two entire religions. History is NEVER that simple.
"It was originally going to be called 'Holly Terror, Batman!'...ignoring there was already a comic called 'Batman: Holy Terror!'"
Yes, because DC has ALWAYS been so original with their comic names, like Crisis on Infinite Earths, Infinite Crisis, Final Crisis, IDENTITY Crisis, Countdown to Infinite Crisis, and Countdown/Countdown to Final Crisis. And the title is totally the worst part of the comic, as we'll see in this review!
At the very least, there are some different words in there for sequel series. These are the same three words but with an order to them that can make it confusing what it is you're looking for.
Linkara-AtopTheFourthWall fair enough.
Linkara-AtopTheFourthWall also, when people refer to "Post-Crisis" continuity, which Crisis do they mean?
David Spring I think they mean Crisis on Infinite Earths.
Kevin Corey fair enough.
Looking at all of those quotes between 9-10 minutes made me laugh hard and so sad at the same time. How can someone be that ignorant and prideful yet they don't do basic research to justify their opinions/statements. I just... I'm speechless. 🤔