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Like the idea of the improved guts in those things as it looks like they mitigate overtightening (probably the biggest cause of leaks with the traditional drain cocks - people go mental with them). Not too sure about the hoselock fitting. I've never really had an issue with attaching a hose to them (apart from those piddly little ones you often get on microbore.... they're the devil's spawn). Nice that they do a version without the hoselock fitting. I'm gonna give them a try.
Your right, I’m retired from the plumbing business for over 20year but never used the old type drain offs they leaked everywhere. Rather I’d drop a rad and drain from one of the rad valves. Those drain cocks look so much better, so long as when turning off it’s not over tighten, as that will knackered the jumper.
Being someone that uses o rings in oxygen and hi temp environments, the thicker material seals last longer. It also makes a huge difference to the shore hardness and type of material the rubber is made from. Viton can deal with it much better than nitrile but its cheaper to use than Viton.
The worst are on hot water cylinders, i rarely get ond that works and i nearly always end up taking the hot water outlet off and using a Syphon technique
I've in my house run in a little extra length of pipework off the heating system that goes outside and into a gully. On the pipe is a 15mm butterfly valve that you just open and the heating system is drained off. 👍
Clever but be careful if you live in cold enivornments, copper pipe outside can burst unless the butterfly valve is inside so the outside pipe is empty
I've got a puzzle for you mate. Huge house, 4 floors, stored water in the basement. Circulation pump in the basement on the return runs off a clock. Clock runs the circulation pump 6-8am, 10am-12pm, 4pm-7pm, if you want a shower outside of that good luck lol. I had a brain fart, thought a solution would be to get a flow switch fitted after the cylinder so when a tap is turned on signal can be sent to turn pump on. Talked the plumber into it and he fitted a worcester bosch flow switch, nice. Fitted a 2 pole contactor, N/c side for the existing clock so it operates as normal, N/O side for the flow switch. Works great, turn the tap on, flow switch energizes the contactor, turns the pump on, but fuck me, the pumps running now mate so the flow switch is always going to send the signal to the contactor to run the pump, it's never going to stop and the boiler is going to run 24hrs a day, bit expensive like. There's a solution to this that the semi retired 70 something year old plumber or me is not coming up with, and you got smarts and listen to Aphex Twin so I reckon you'd know what it is. Help please!
I had a new boiler installed and they used a radiator close to exit to drain system. I only noticed after few days that location was dripping water from where they had a grey long key. Is that key similar to the ears one for bleeding radiators?
I hope they fixed all the problems they had from the last launch as so many of the ones i installed leaked badly and cost me alot of time and money, i’ll hang back and see if this time they got it right 😅
it defo should help and i really hope it does work because they have cost me way too much financially to trust them till its proven out in the real world to be fixed. they do look way better quality now that the plastic is gone @@plumberparts 👍
James Pixies & Elves in a lifetime of plumbing I have very rarely undone a drain off that has not been over tightened and the washer flattened of worse has to be picked out of the fitting. the washer is rubber on a machined surface it does not have to be tightened all the way Nip it and a fraction more.
Hi, you should invest in a proper drain down hose, people don’t change the washers in draincocks so when you disturb them they weep! To be fair you can buy them with longer shafts if you ask at a merchants.
I wish someone would produce an outside tap with the end being a hoze lock that’s cast in and not removable. Some git nicked my hoze lock connector from my outside tap which is on the side of the house accessible from the front.
Could never understand why these fittings didn’t use the same internal arrangement as the radiator valves with the integrated drain off, never had one of those fail to open or leak.
Love it, thank you for this one they look really useful! Can you offer up some more places to buy them (that help you out too) as I'm still boycotting Amazon until they pay their taxes fairly like the rest of us do in this country?
Random unrelated question…..why do we fill washing machines and dishwashers with stone cold water and pay for the electricity to heat in when many of us have hot water cylinders full of hot water that rarely gets all used in one day ?
A question i've asked many times. It seems that the common train of thought is that it is cheaper to electrically heat the water rather than gas heat it via a combi boiler. However, just like you and I, many paople have hot water storage tanks and would gladly use that water for washing clothes. I wish appliance manufacturers would go back to giving us the option that we used to have - cold AND hot feeds on appliances.
Modern machines use so little water and wash at low temperatures so by the time the tiny amount of hot water needed makes its way through your pipes to the machine it just isn’t worth it.
@@benwillcox8551 Granted that our washing machine often runs at 40 degrees but open the dishwasher immediately after it’s finished and the plates are too hot to touch !
My drain cocks seem to be even older, they are fitted between the spigot and the valve body, facing vertically downward. Could you do a tutorial on these type. All three installed on my system don’t let any drain off.
I've noticed, plumbers' job is the "Fuck that guy" job- Every builder goes to lengths to hide or burry pipes, make them inaccessible, they don't leave maintenance hatches on anything, they don't install access branches to soil pipes (heaven forbid it ever blocks because it totally never does), they leave kinks and bad bends on pipes, and a lot of products are hostile to the installer, as well as a lot of boilers are designed to discourage repairs or part replacements. This drain-off is probably the first step in the right direction.
Not sure about the garden hose bit, probably unnecessary or in a lot of cases too tight to a wall to get the hozelhock thing on. Not too pretty in your hallway? I like the new inners design. But would then need a hex key thing, thats either short or long enough to reach the drain off. It’s a good start but I’m not sold just yet
@@dimitar4y - pipes more often than not nowadays don’t get painted. People like the look. And if this valve was painted, would the paint not dry out/crack the rubber ring? So when you go to stick your fitting on it leaks. Then to stick a regular hose on it with a jubilee is made difficult. Then you got to carry around a hozelhock in your van. Sure this fitting used in a location like in video, go for it. Us plumbers don’t like change lol, if we switch to something else/another brand it has to be vastly better. Somebody wrote in the comments about a ‘Nexgen’ brand to me looks the better choice.
Love the idea. Is it me or why am i thinking the bad things that peeps will do to them, Like you said James impact tight, rounded off, inaccessible lol
What you mean there are some plumbers who don’t fit drain cocks? Shocking. 😂 Daughter had a cowboy builder in who never fitted one and all the downstairs rads were droplegs. When she finally sacked him she asked me to ‘finish’ it off. No where to fit them by the rads so had to change the lockshields to incorporate a drain. He left the pipes to one radiator in the stud wall so I had to cut a hole in the brand new plaster to find the pipes.
Reinventing the wheel. If they are going to try and get past the 1st gen of the doc they need to do something about the price. Just did a quick Google and they come up between £5 and £7. When I can get a long tail type A for £1.28. As the dragons would say……it’s a no from me.
Here’s the solution now where’s the problem? most of those issues can be overcome. you didn’t mention the jubilee clip James! Now that is a pain in the arse!
Tesla?? Guessing they bought the rights. I seen these a few years ago and was invented by a plumber from the UK. Probably living on a beach in Barbados now 😂
The best kind of draincock is probably not a draincock. They are largely poorly designed and leaky. I would sooner find other ways to drain systems than use a draincock. How about a full bore lever ball valve to a pipe to which one fits a 3/4 inch male adapter. Then one could thread on a cap or when one needs to drain it, unthread cap, thread on 3/4 inch threaded hose adapter and hosepipe then open valve. That would be a far better way to do it!!!
The one in our new house is like that. I hadn't worked out how it ended up like that (I didn't realise they weren't part of the rad valve). So yes, why would you not pivot it away from the wall before soldering/tightening??!!
More over engineered rubbish for double the price! Ain’t no way plumbers got a hose pipe attachment on there hose, to attach the hose attachment makes it much bulkier & more space needed… plus once that o-ring leaks ain’t no plumbers got an o-ring that fits… how much the paying you to push that rubbish
There are 3 different variants, only the Premium has the hozelock style end. The others have the standard outlet for drain hoses. They're usually sold in packs of 5. Our RRP exc. VAT is £1.70, £3.25 & £3.95 depending on which version you're after. The o-ring is standard size which are available in your usual o-ring plumbers pack.
4:20 You don't know how long has this been sitting, put some valsir silicone on that pesky o-ring, just because . Ps I've put some of it on the rubber of the fridge and it grips so hard, the damn rubber comes off.
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Very nice, hozelock is only okay if you have enough clearance to get it on. Thanks.
Like the idea of the improved guts in those things as it looks like they mitigate overtightening (probably the biggest cause of leaks with the traditional drain cocks - people go mental with them). Not too sure about the hoselock fitting. I've never really had an issue with attaching a hose to them (apart from those piddly little ones you often get on microbore.... they're the devil's spawn). Nice that they do a version without the hoselock fitting. I'm gonna give them a try.
Your right, I’m retired from the plumbing business for over 20year but never used the old type drain offs they leaked everywhere. Rather I’d drop a rad and drain from one of the rad valves. Those drain cocks look so much better, so long as when turning off it’s not over tighten, as that will knackered the jumper.
Good luck getting that hoselock onto most drain offs
Looks mint. Be great if they made a lock shield valve with one of these integrated.
Clever design and engineering. Thanks for the info.
Being someone that uses o rings in oxygen and hi temp environments, the thicker material seals last longer. It also makes a huge difference to the shore hardness and type of material the rubber is made from. Viton can deal with it much better than nitrile but its cheaper to use than Viton.
The worst are on hot water cylinders, i rarely get ond that works and i nearly always end up taking the hot water outlet off and using a Syphon technique
Just goes to show a few simple changes can make a world of difference for Plumbing guys.
Does the new inners fit the old drain offs currently installed? Game changer if so
Could have done with one of those today. Ended up cobbling something together - as usual!! Well, it worked so happy days!
I've in my house run in a little extra length of pipework off the heating system that goes outside and into a gully. On the pipe is a 15mm butterfly valve that you just open and the heating system is drained off. 👍
Very clever that makes a lot of sense 👍
Mine drains if required, into the toilet cistern, as does the condensate.
Clever but be careful if you live in cold enivornments, copper pipe outside can burst unless the butterfly valve is inside so the outside pipe is empty
Need a lockshield version!
I've got a puzzle for you mate.
Huge house, 4 floors, stored water in the basement. Circulation pump in the basement on the return runs off a clock.
Clock runs the circulation pump 6-8am, 10am-12pm, 4pm-7pm, if you want a shower outside of that good luck lol.
I had a brain fart, thought a solution would be to get a flow switch fitted after the cylinder so when a tap is turned on signal can be sent to turn pump on. Talked the plumber into it and he fitted a worcester bosch flow switch, nice.
Fitted a 2 pole contactor, N/c side for the existing clock so it operates as normal, N/O side for the flow switch.
Works great, turn the tap on, flow switch energizes the contactor, turns the pump on, but fuck me, the pumps running now mate so the flow switch is always going to send the signal to the contactor to run the pump, it's never going to stop and the boiler is going to run 24hrs a day, bit expensive like.
There's a solution to this that the semi retired 70 something year old plumber or me is not coming up with, and you got smarts and listen to Aphex Twin so I reckon you'd know what it is. Help please!
If you hammer the end of the pipe with anything it softens up and flies on old welders trick try it you can feel the warmth.
I had a new boiler installed and they used a radiator close to exit to drain system. I only noticed after few days that location was dripping water from where they had a grey long key. Is that key similar to the ears one for bleeding radiators?
Hi whats the name of that website where u can get bargain tools, that u mention just 3 letters
I hope they fixed all the problems they had from the last launch as so many of the ones i installed leaked badly and cost me alot of time and money, i’ll hang back and see if this time they got it right 😅
They have (I spoke to Richard there about it) and they've removed all the plastic and gone fully brass. Hope that helps!
@@plumberparts hooray...
it defo should help and i really hope it does work because they have cost me way too much financially to trust them till its proven out in the real world to be fixed. they do look way better quality now that the plastic is gone @@plumberparts 👍
Looks like a good idea especially the drain off fitting 👍👍👍👍👍
Same fitted around 20-30 and all but 2 have been changed due to dripping issues.
you stick the end of the hose in ya hot cuppa tea and as if by magic it slips on LOL😉
But then also slips off like magic
Do you have the right to repair the o-ring, or will it call the mothership and disable itself like my mates model 3?
James Pixies & Elves in a lifetime of plumbing I have very rarely undone a drain off that has not been over tightened and the washer flattened of worse has to be picked out of the fitting. the washer is rubber on a machined surface it does not have to be tightened all the way Nip it and a fraction more.
Hi, you should invest in a proper drain down hose, people don’t change the washers in draincocks so when you disturb them they weep! To be fair you can buy them with longer shafts if you ask at a merchants.
I wish someone would produce an outside tap with the end being a hoze lock that’s cast in and not removable. Some git nicked my hoze lock connector from my outside tap which is on the side of the house accessible from the front.
Drill it and put a screw in it or ptfe and tighten on with grips most people wont go get tools to knick them
My draincock has great engineering
Try nexgen drain valves. The core is actually hdpe. Will never ever stick to the casing.
We never looked back since using them
Ta for the pointer.
Wait, a new plumbing gizmo without an app or bluetooth connectvity. How is gen z going to operate it?
That will fit nicely into a speed Fit T junction...
Ideal for back filling
Could never understand why these fittings didn’t use the same internal arrangement as the radiator valves with the integrated drain off, never had one of those fail to open or leak.
Love it, thank you for this one they look really useful! Can you offer up some more places to buy them (that help you out too) as I'm still boycotting Amazon until they pay their taxes fairly like the rest of us do in this country?
Top tip time, hold your part in place with your tape measure
Once you get to your Amazon site, whereabouts is it please?
Great video mate
Cheers Ashy!
Tip: Use a little washing up liquid to ease the hose on to the drain off valve.
Like the look of them there drain thingys.
Any thoughts on an ‘Airgon’?
I think that you're more excited when doing tour videos 😅
best drain off in my opinion is a ball valve with threaded hose nipple screwed into it so it has no place to leak :D
the rubber won't melt, inside or outside one, but it won't be happy about the heat and it will age it faster.
Random unrelated question…..why do we fill washing machines and dishwashers with stone cold water and pay for the electricity to heat in when many of us have hot water cylinders full of hot water that rarely gets all used in one day ?
A question i've asked many times. It seems that the common train of thought is that it is cheaper to electrically heat the water rather than gas heat it via a combi boiler.
However, just like you and I, many paople have hot water storage tanks and would gladly use that water for washing clothes. I wish appliance manufacturers would go back to giving us the option that we used to have - cold AND hot feeds on appliances.
Modern machines use so little water and wash at low temperatures so by the time the tiny amount of hot water needed makes its way through your pipes to the machine it just isn’t worth it.
@@benwillcox8551 Granted that our washing machine often runs at 40 degrees but open the dishwasher immediately after it’s finished and the plates are too hot to touch !
@@benwillcox8551 Correct.
Does it come with a charge point
I can only find the ones with the fully plastic insert
I could have done with 1 of these a month ago I ended up getting a manual valve with a integrated drain off
My drain cocks seem to be even older, they are fitted between the spigot and the valve body, facing vertically downward. Could you do a tutorial on these type. All three installed on my system don’t let any drain off.
I've noticed, plumbers' job is the "Fuck that guy" job- Every builder goes to lengths to hide or burry pipes, make them inaccessible, they don't leave maintenance hatches on anything, they don't install access branches to soil pipes (heaven forbid it ever blocks because it totally never does), they leave kinks and bad bends on pipes, and a lot of products are hostile to the installer, as well as a lot of boilers are designed to discourage repairs or part replacements. This drain-off is probably the first step in the right direction.
And even the. Some say its not the right way.
Plumber never installed one in my property.
Not sure about the garden hose bit, probably unnecessary or in a lot of cases too tight to a wall to get the hozelhock thing on. Not too pretty in your hallway? I like the new inners design. But would then need a hex key thing, thats either short or long enough to reach the drain off. It’s a good start but I’m not sold just yet
@@Anakinuk007 "Not too pretty in your hallway" aaaand then the pipes get painted.
@@dimitar4y - pipes more often than not nowadays don’t get painted. People like the look. And if this valve was painted, would the paint not dry out/crack the rubber ring? So when you go to stick your fitting on it leaks. Then to stick a regular hose on it with a jubilee is made difficult. Then you got to carry around a hozelhock in your van. Sure this fitting used in a location like in video, go for it. Us plumbers don’t like change lol, if we switch to something else/another brand it has to be vastly better. Somebody wrote in the comments about a ‘Nexgen’ brand to me looks the better choice.
Love the idea. Is it me or why am i thinking the bad things that peeps will do to them,
Like you said James impact tight, rounded off, inaccessible lol
What you mean there are some plumbers who don’t fit drain cocks? Shocking. 😂 Daughter had a cowboy builder in who never fitted one and all the downstairs rads were droplegs. When she finally sacked him she asked me to ‘finish’ it off. No where to fit them by the rads so had to change the lockshields to incorporate a drain. He left the pipes to one radiator in the stud wall so I had to cut a hole in the brand new plaster to find the pipes.
Reinventing the wheel. If they are going to try and get past the 1st gen of the doc they need to do something about the price. Just did a quick Google and they come up between £5 and £7. When I can get a long tail type A for £1.28.
As the dragons would say……it’s a no from me.
They are usually sold in packs of 5. Our RRP exc. VAT is £1.70, £3.25 & £3.95 depending on which version you're after.
@@teslaukltd you need to talk to the merchants then, else your sales will be no where near what you would like them to be.
Nine times out of ten you wouldn’t be able to fit hose lock connector on as most drain of are in tight spaces
Here’s the solution now where’s the problem? most of those issues can be overcome. you didn’t mention the jubilee clip James!
Now that is a pain in the arse!
Am I blind or stupid??? I can’t see these in your amazon store anywhere Jim
What’s your thoughts on having an isolator inside with a pipe going outside to drain off the system
1960s houses have these drain off valves in the floor with a pipe outside to allow the water out.
I've just plumbed in a hot tank and connected the drain off to the hot outlet through a valve. Means the tank can be drained through a hot tap.
Used to be common. There used to be a cast iron box and lift off lid built into the outer brickwork. Inside were the draincocks.
Or as a plumber you should have proper drain down hose problem solved
No link
You haven't seen the valve I've invented, have you :) Drains down a cylinder in no time if the drain off is blocked
If you are pricing a job for an estimate against other companies you are going to cost for the cheapest one, not the hose lock one. Unfortunately
Designed by engineers 👍👍👍
I dunno, the first version of these cost a lot of plumbers a lot of money in remedial works.
I'm known as the short shaft guy
And the customer will paint them just the same ruining the hose lock 😄 🤣
Tesla? As in Elon's Tesla?
Space X to plumbing parts
Why wasn't this designed 15 years ago!!!🤔
Tesla make everything cars immersions the lot 😂😂jkjk🤣😅😉
christ almighty, they finally started selling these in the UK.
Jesus Christ is Lord.
Hope there better than the original one they brought out they were absolute garbage mate.
That’s cool
😅 0:51
Tesla?? Guessing they bought the rights.
I seen these a few years ago and was invented by a plumber from the UK. Probably living on a beach in Barbados now 😂
it is expensive
over all price of an install not really to add on these
They're usually sold in packs of 5. Our RRP exc. VAT is £1.70, £3.25 & £3.95 depending on which version you're after.
Get a isle of man key
Its a Tesla so it won't work in the winter.
Looks expensive
Our RRP exc. VAT is £1.70, £3.25 & £3.95 per valve, depending on which version you're after.
The best kind of draincock is probably not a draincock. They are largely poorly designed and leaky. I would sooner find other ways to drain systems than use a draincock.
How about a full bore lever ball valve to a pipe to which one fits a 3/4 inch male adapter. Then one could thread on a cap or when one needs to drain it, unthread cap, thread on 3/4 inch threaded hose adapter and hosepipe then open valve. That would be a far better way to do it!!!
A washing machine valve would serve that purpose.
That would be against regulations, I may report your comment to HSE.
@@blackdeath1886I don't think regulations matter in your own house 😮.
Great, there's only about 2 million to change 1/2" off the floor 😂
Bet you... "Plumber McNumpty" 🤡 still manages to put these things as close to the ground as he can whilst angling it inwards towards the wall. 🙄
🤣🤣🤣
The one in our new house is like that. I hadn't worked out how it ended up like that (I didn't realise they weren't part of the rad valve). So yes, why would you not pivot it away from the wall before soldering/tightening??!!
You carn’t beat that extra long shaft...for a better fit...👃
😜
🤜🤜👍😎
More over engineered rubbish for double the price! Ain’t no way plumbers got a hose pipe attachment on there hose, to attach the hose attachment makes it much bulkier & more space needed… plus once that o-ring leaks ain’t no plumbers got an o-ring that fits… how much the paying you to push that rubbish
There are 3 different variants, only the Premium has the hozelock style end. The others have the standard outlet for drain hoses.
They're usually sold in packs of 5. Our RRP exc. VAT is £1.70, £3.25 & £3.95 depending on which version you're after.
The o-ring is standard size which are available in your usual o-ring plumbers pack.
First 🥇
4:20 You don't know how long has this been sitting, put some valsir silicone on that pesky o-ring, just because .
Ps I've put some of it on the rubber of the fridge and it grips so hard, the damn rubber comes off.