Why Coyote Swap VS 4.6 Mod Motor Is Not Even Close
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
- Coyote Engine VS 4.6 Mod Motor
In this battle we take a stock Coyote engine vs a On3 turbo Mod Motor. The Coyote engine is becoming increasingly popular as a engine swap. Is it more cost effective to coyote swap your Sn95 or boost your stock Sn95 engine. The results of this battle is not even close.
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People don’t get it.
I built a 1000 rwhp 2v (engine / block built for 1300) for way way cheaper then I could build the same Yote for.
You’re 100 percent right my man. I keep telling people. Build your 2v you’ll thank me later.
@@BMGYGK77 If people want to Coyote swap, I'm all for it but don't say you can do a swap for $4000. 2V got a bad rep because they are slow in stock form. Like you said, you can build a fast 2v hella cheap.
@@SN95Power I priced out a Yote swap before I built mine. I was 17,000/20,000 MORE than building my 2v..
In my area a used Gen 3 Yote is 8000.00$
People are selling Gen 2 and Gen 3 with dropped valves for 2000.00
Like there isn’t a chance I could have done the swap for cheaper. I am going to build a Yote next year to replace my 2v but it’s going to be a sleeved one.. going for the 1800/2000 HP short block. Anything under 1200 HP your cheaper to build your 2v or 4v over a swap all day
A coyote swap for a grand yeah if it's blown up, I have a 890 hp 2003 terminator, 10k total nothing but a 4.9 kenny bell arp studs and injectors stock motor also have a gen 3 making 1200 whp that was 16k but they both are semi built
@@BMGYGK77 copart I got a destroyed mustang 5.0 everything but the engine n trans were still good for 4k
@@sneezinhatch I’m in Canada my man!! You can get some wicked deals on Yotes here but they go very very fast
I swapped my car for $4000 plus the engine. The series start to finish is all on my channel. All you need is an engine, $1900 for coyote control pack, 350 for a k member, 300 for fuel pump and c5 return regulator, 400 for headers, 750 for belt drive, $40 for spring perches, 100 for a pedal bracket. motor mounts transfer over, mid pipe and catback can be mated to the swap headers. The rest I spent on exhaust couplers and wires for battery relocation. I turned around and sold my 4.6 setup for 1500, so realistically it was the engine plus 2500 bucks.
I just think the cobra 4v is a special engine, it was built by hand the builder signed a plaque on it! so it feels like it has some soul imo, coyote is an awesome engine but it feels like an nice new great working appliance to me, they're everywhere just like LS engines. That new Samsung fridge is awesome it does everything it has a monitor showing what's in it but that big vintage Sub Zero fridge from back in the day is just classy. Just my worthless 2 cents.
@@95Sn95 ⚰️You killed me with the appliance comment😂😂😂
That’s how I feel about the older AMG engines, especially an E55 AMG lol
Just think what you can do with a Lincoln Navigator 1st generation 5.4, 4 valve! I worked at Ford testing the 2 nd gen Lightning , stupid fast with the 2 valve. A 4 valve sc 5.4 would have been Insane!
@dankean8319 how you feel about the 5.4 4v is exactly how I feel about the 6.2 SOHC. Ford dropped the bag HARD by only offering it as a truck motor. Cause if you watch Andy from unitymotorsports garage break down the construction of that engine it has every check on the box to be a modern 427 cammer but ford being ford and making questionable decisions never dropped that beast into an s197 chassis
I bought a 01 cobra with a bad engine to specifically coyote swap. At the end of the day from a $ standpoint it didn’t make sense. I swapped a junkyard aviator engine and sold my old engine for a net cost of $200. Added a $2500 supercharger and make 450 at the wheels.
@@jbp1981 Go ahead and hit the simple button 🙌
The 3v motors get a bad wrap for a few reasons. But most of their issues are from lack of maintenance in the oil department. The last gen 3v in the Mercury and Lincoln at the end of production make almost the same power (5hp Ford claims)as the 4v units. These motors are dirt cheap. Find one that had regular oil changes and you will not likely have phaser issues and it is likely at this point the bad plugs have already been replaced.
Another great video! You invested a lot of time putting it together.
Speaking for myself, I am against Coyote swaps.
@@MikesGarageRoute66 Appreciate your feedback Mike
I agree. With a stock gen 1 Coyote you're starting off with close to stock Terminator territory. That's with zero additions. This concept is really pretty simple. I couldn't imagine daily driving a coyote swapped Fox/SN95/NE and then having any form of boost. HOWEVER, as much as I love the sound coyotes make, there is nothing that compares to the iconic sound of the supercharged 4.6 4V. In my opinion. Not even the hellcat, not even CTS-V's or the Vettes etc etc.
🤣... facts on facts
Lb/ft and ft/lb are the same. If you put a 1lb weight on a 400ft long wrench it's the same amount of torque as putting a 400lb weight on a 1ft long wrench.
Don't get me wrong, the coyote motor is awesome but I really don't like the sound of it, especially compared to the 4.6 2v and the old 5.0.
I think the coyote is awesome “period” the sound is not my cup also
Only way to make a coyote to sound semi good is a cam long tube headers to borla attack mufflers, by far my 03 4.6 terminator sounds a lot better than my turbo gen2
Agreed. Coyote sounds dookie to me
Bro… how ford went from having one of the best sounding v8s to the absolute worst is beyond me. The 2v/4v 4.6 always sounded so freakin good. That was for the most part regardless of who made the exhaust system.
I have yet to hear a yote that didn’t remind me of what a v8 Honda would probably sound like. Straight fart cannon just with a deeper tone.
@@TurboNFRStwoK that's an excellent question, and yeah you are right it sounds like a v8 Honda.. lol
I think thought to actually compared these you MUST include EVERYTHING needed to get there. Coyote or 4.6 2v. Basically it's like cherry picking.
I'm not against the 2v, they are fun motors. Still debating pulling my 2v NPI to throw in my 79 Pace Car. Lol.
But, if your going to do a "cost per hp" comparison. You have to include the fuel system and drivetrain. The drivetrain could be considered a "bonus" cause you do not have to put a clutch, Trans, gears ect. To actually complete the Turbo setup, but you do need fueling. Also on top, you need to include a tuning setup. You can't just slap a on3 turbo and it instantly makes 450hp. You need tuning.
Personally, I think your close but once you add all the necessary stuff on both sides, you'll find the Coyote is a great cost option.
Your building a 2v, or going to a stock Coyote. Either way, it's gonna be a fun ride. And this is coming from someone with a 4v Cobra.
Great video man. This is great information!
@@Jesse_L Appreciate your feedback
I mean the coyote is the evolution of the engine. You got to remember the had to make more power while meeting emissions and whatnot in love both so I really do I love my coyote. Looking to get mine to around 700-800 hp I really don’t wanna say one is better than the other. They have their applications and they do them well.
This was a great debate once again I'm definitely biased lol you really can't beat the sound of a modular motor in my opinion but hey 😂
@@RAHSVT I can sense a little bias
@SN95Power 🤣 Indeed but I do like coyote cars and if I had a project fox it's definitely possible 🤔
As a builder, it’s important to stay on top of what’s new and what people want to build to be successful. As good as the Coyote is, It’s physical size is huge in relation to its displacement and at what power level do you exceed its strength start to expose the weak points? I’ll go out on a limb and say there are a few stroked Windsors out there with enough compression and cylinder head to outrun a coyote without the added fuel system and ignition. When do you step back and put in a conventional small or big block?
No oe cast Windsor has gone 6.26 @ 227mph on radials, survived and WON overall Sick Week, Tx2k24,Import vs Domestic.
No billet block Windsor has gone 5.67 @ 265mph
The Coyote platform has.
The 4.6 4V has been 5.88 at 256mph with almost all oe parts.
The 5.4 4V holds the standing mile world record 300.4 mph.
The old Windsor, even with extra in³, is not matching the performance of evolution. Twin cam Fords are now the GOAT FoMoCo engines.
@@chadkent1241 And there’s plenty of naturally aspirated big blocks deep into the 6s on Gasoline. I think the mountain motor guys were running 6.30s with a 6.25 record. I’m not knocking your thing here brother, they haven’t even scratched the surface as far as development for these things yet. There is 1 truth though that you really don’t have an argument against and it’s the same one that shadows the LS engines from GM and the Gen 3 Hemis from Chrysler. The bore centers are too close, the deck isn’t tall enough and there’s only so much room in there before your only options are Boost or adding a second engine. It’s not as bad a hinderance in the fords with multi valve heads but it’s the LS’s Achilles Heel.
4 years ago the swap was half the price it is now with the gen 1. The motors are getting cheaper but the needed accessories are more than double the price now.
4 years ago you could find swap headers for under $400 pre tax.
Control pack was less than $1000 priced out from Ford.
Now your doing all this work to slap a 150,000 mile motor in the car, that’s crazy
I was going to swap a coyote in my 03’ Marauder. I found a good deal on a brand new Gen 3 short block (never taken off the crate from Ford). Sourced the top end from a ‘20 F150. I found a low mileage 10r80 from a Mustang and dreamed of playing with Scat Packs on the way to the grocery store. I knew this would be a little more than I could handle so I sourced a reputable shop and found a really good one. I dropped the engine off at the shop for them to assemble and prepare the installation. After they tallied up all of the main things, it was cheaper to either do a 3-2-1 or get a Gen 2 long block. The harness and headers were a big expense outside of my initial investment and labor (about 4k). I couldn’t justify that in my head. I then started looking for a Terminator motor (it just about swaps right in with very little modification, if using the stock supercharger pulley bracket). I found one and decided to go that route. I put the parts on FB market place and if it doesn’t sell, I have a fox body that the engine can go into.
For us home garage hotrodders it is all about biggest bank for the buck. A modest V8 / turbo combo will make more power than can hookup on the street anyway. No need to spend cubic dollars.
Amount of money needed to build a 400 hp sbf would be a coyote swap, plus like you said you can boost it up to 700-800 hp without major changes. That sbf would need so much more to survive. Mod motors aren't much better imo.
I won't be dumping anymore money into my sbf because I've already got 3k into a gt40 build that barely makes 300hp. If i add any power I'll have to upgrade my block and tranny for what i can get a coyote for
I’m glad you made it a point to say under 500hp and what your comparison was. I blew up my terminator & built a new motor to the tune of 700rwhp. If I could go back, I’d sell off all the terminator stuff a put a gen 2 or 3 coyote longblock with a blower on it. Spent probably 15k when it was all said and done. I will say the 4v just sounds better. Coyote will out perform it though.
For under 500hp a built 351w is cheaper than just buying the coyote engine unless you do like me and start with a first gen truck coyote. That was only 800 bucks to pick up and about 500 for new rings and bearings. Did a down and dirty rebuild and its been running great for 8000 miles.
You have to take into account compression. The 03/04 stock compression is like 8.5:1. Some of the coyotes are 12:1. Bring the compression up to 12:1 on the cobra and it’s a lot closer.
Budget will always be subjective. You left a lot on the table for both builds. But in the end, I think you are correct. One thing you didn't mention that i think is important. Torque! A turbo setup is going to produce significant torque. Probably even more than the NA coyote.
Ok so the 4v 4.6 it has a aluminum block wouldn't that make it a more desirable platform to make 800hp and up?
That's what I have in my Lincoln Mark VIII 's and it is a super reliable and buildable engine and sounds pissed off with Flowmaster Outlaw mufflers
Pretty sure an aluminum block is just better for weight rather than block strength. Don't quote me though.
LKQ Online is where I would go, has a warranty etc for junkyard engine
A gen ONE (weak bottom end) Mustang motor is about 5k at any scrapyard pulled from a Mustang. A Gen II you're not touching for probably less than 7k unless it's blown up. You can cheat and go get a Gen one F150 motor for between 1,500 and 3k but it is NOT the same as a Mustang engine. All the 4V 4.6 motors are between 1,500 and 3k and make what the stock Coyote does with Cams and ported C heads and an intake. There is nothing "Cheap" about a Coyote and people need to quit arguing it is. It makes GREAT power with a TON of money.....
Coyote wins my vote. 4.6 is good for a budget setup, wouldn’t want more than the 400-450 hp range. Building one right now but it’s a budget setup. Coyote is my dream setup. It’s just a better.
It’s capable of 1,000whp on oem internals
Pcm setup comes with great features
Wide-band and knock sensor great for tuning
Forged internals depending on model
Variable valve timing gain power and still have fuel economy
Oem reliability stock 150k-200k miles should be easy.
Aftermarket and oem support
Sn95 are one of best chassis for the swap.
i have a 15GT but also a 97 cobra both have their pros and cons
Cool deal!!! Price is the reason I didn't go with the Coyote.
The 4.6 is a much cooler engine.
Come to the coyote side! It's wild over here, turbo this winter!!
Post some driving vids of your mustang
Teach these folks
Great info, also sorry up front for coming in with a question completely different from either of these engines.
But have y'all tried to get an 3.5tt Ecoboost in the sn95? You can get them with an oil cooling system out of police explorers for like 2k (I know, engine hours but still)
@@onecoff17 I've seen 4 cylinder ecoboost in foxbodys but none in a Sn95 yet.
Tbh if you go coyote swap for power have to do oil pump gears kill the cam phasers and a crank shaft support if your going for 1000 plus at the wheel
If you have a 4.6 engine already there is no need to change the k member if choosing coyote that’s only if you’re coming from a pushrod 5.0
Are you sure you don’t need a kmember for the on3 turbokit for the 2valve.
I have a question related to my setup:
97 cobra and needs timing chain job
Should I yank the heads and intake and get c heads and 96-98 cams instead of doing the timing chain job? I am not mechanically inclined and don’t have tools, my option is to take it to a shop. What would you do?
Plenty of how to youtube videos on how to do timing chains. Basic hand tools and a amazon cam lock it. Its pretty straight forward.
@@SN95Power I’ve tried to repair my cars before unsuccessfully, it’s not something I’m cut out for or enjoy, and I don’t have friends to help. And in addition to that my parking spot area has a lot of mosquitos. I’d rather pay someone really. So given that, what would you say is the better option?
I know the battle rules but I want to say SN95 Cobra R 💪🏾
And any version of the 4.6 sounds WAAAAY better than a Coyote!!
i blew up my 2v 4.6 watching this video lol doing donuts in the rain,to boost a 2v 4.6 you need it to be fresh and strong dont try to boost your old beat up engine it will last you 2 pases at the track.
•WARNING• Don’t buy a PBH gen 1 control pack unless you’re running a 6R80. If you’re running a non PCM automatic or a stick get the Ford Racing.
I called them up and had a 30 minute conversation about my Mustang build. Told them many times I’m running a manual transmission. They sold me their control pack and I opened it about a month and half later. This is my first Coyote so I didn’t know the transmission harness is where the wide bands and VSS are. It took a lot of calling to get someone back on the phone. They said they didn’t make a manual trans harness and sold me a OEM GT500 harness for another 400$ than needs thinned down. Gen 1 with anything other than a 6R80 go with Ford Racing.
It’s not cool IMO on their part.
Can't do coyote swap for under 7-8k.gor parts you would have to do uour own labor l.
Average used Coyote gen 1 or newer is going at least at $3K or more. You can get a long block gen3 new for $4800 and complete it to a full crate for about $7500. This doesn’t include control pack and hp tuner license…
I was all about a coyote swap until I started looking into doing it the right way. Imo you're a little low on price. I'm not saying a 150k motor is junk but I wouldn't want to put that in my 32k mile mint car. Especially a truck motor with the way it makes its power. I would at minimum want a used mustang motor and tear it down and go thru it. Everything adds up super quick and its close to 20k. I would love to eventually build my 4.6 to handle power but until then I want to do the 2.3 whipple kit. For under 6k you can get everything you need and its proven. I know of a 418hp 2v with just the on 3 kit that was going 10.7 with a bad synchro in the trans. No suspension or other mods. I think the turbo might be a little too complicated for me especially since I want to keep my rear duals. I have bbk headers bbk offroad x and a Mac catback with 3 1/2 super nice chrome custom tips perfectly straight not just some hack job.
@@motofarmmx2430 I agree but for this video, I was trying to find the cheapest was to Coyote swap. Most do Coyote swaps as a plug and play. I think that's why it's popular. Drop in motor, add blower and make big power. Pretty simple formula. Like you mentioned, those who want more than a simple swap is going to spend way more money than my example.
@@SN95Power oh I know and I know your point of the video. That would be fine for a basic race car but for guys that want nice street cars its not desirable.
2vlave is at its limit ready to blow up at 450.
You dont need a coyote to make 500-700hp
Most street cars are over built and under utilized and people waste alot alot of money
I did my coyote swap into my 83 ford ranger for 10k. Thats every nickle and dime part. Is the truck a show winner, no. Is it fast? Hell yeah. The most expensive part in my whole swap is the transmission and I got it used for 3500 with the clutch so there is some luck involved but its doable. You just have to know how and when to be cheap and when not to be.
🙌🏽
Coyote motor with 12.1 compression i can't imagine forced induction
Coyote $3500 middle ga
You can swap rods in just about any 4.6 or 5.4 and make virtually the same power as a gen 1,2 or 3. I currently got a couple 4.6’s and 5.4’s two and four valves. The weak spots in the 4.6 and 5.4 were the rods. The yotes do have better factory rods. In truth though if you not trying to make over 5-600hp you really don’t need the rods IMO.
Now that said. I also got A LOT of sbf stuff. I fucks with the sbf stuff HEAVY 😂!
@@18wheelzofsteel53 popular swap with 4.6 mod motors is to use coyote rods. 600rwhp all day. Yes sir! Sbf🙌
@@SN95Power yessir all day
Look, car culture is dead and has been for years. Nothing cool enough, nothing with a soul, has been released in over 10 years so the new younger generation hasn't had a real reason to be interested, every vehicle looks like a generic round bubble now. They'd rather play "car builder" on a computer.
Building speed and going fast has been done to death, now that you can buy a turn-key 10 second car with A/C.. out of a dealership, again they have no reason to care to create anything.
Buy what you like personally, that's all that's left.. no chance I'd pick a Coyote 5.0L over a 4.6L. The latter sounds infinitely better going down the road.
It's amazing that you can buy a 500hp car like you said. Kids can go from 260hp drivers ed car to 10 second car.
@@SN95Power I took my driver's test in an 01 GT. Kids these days call stock Coyote's "slow" but I guarantee you if I put them in my 330rwhp Cobra, made before traction control came out, they'd wreck it within an hour.
I actually have a knock on cold starts as of yesterday, could be piston slap, could be a bearing, not sure. What I am sure of is I'll be rebuilding my Teksid before swapping in a Coyote that costs twice as much.
People who spend too much time on the couch call 300 horsepower slow, slow for what you got a train to catch? 🤣
i mean if u already got n sn95 you dont need to buy a 2 valve cuz u already got 1
4:06 is how I feel about people who say Subaru wrx/sti engines are reliable. They know someone or heard somewhere that they're reliable, when they're not. Unless you're media, who 1.has deeeep pockets 2. Can build these cars himself with ease. Unless you're $$$$$ or have the knowhow to do the work yourself, wrx/sti are terrible and should stay away.
SN95 all day 5.0 347 Carb .
What about Parts Farm? For buying a coyote.
@@charlesdixon1804 Wasn't aware of that company. Thanks for adding it
They’re kinda pricy but I’ve never heard anything bad about parts farm.
Their 👍🏿
Stay old school do a 351 swap make 500 whp with some heads and good carb or fuel injection I have all 3 the most reliable is my 351 fox
The 1st thing You need to do before You spend a Dime is Study. Figure out what it is You are doing, why is Forced Induction a Threat to Your Engine. And then figure out the exact Engine You have, because They're not all the same.
Ford should stroke the Coyote with even stronger internals capable of SC or twin turbo outputs with reliability.
Say a 5.8lt (315) - with 600 + hp & 500+ ftlb.
If you are going to use a f150 coyote you have to use mustang coyote cams because the f150 coyote cams are fore tourqe and make less horse power that the coyote mustang
No way you're from Orland hills I'm from Homewood but recently moved to Wisconsin
@@ChiKrew_ Homer Glenn 🙌
In reality Andrew lavender swap to coyote to compete these days
@@chuckford4393 There's a couple of 2v racers I follow who out upgraded to coyote.
Foot pound of torque.
Bone thugs reference ❤
@@Simple_Jack82 🙌
So a power adder vs a NA motor 😂😆 a tunned 3rd gen coyote makes more hp for the price 4.6 motors were hard to make power with on a budget.
We got a full gen 2 for $2,600 and only coasted a extra $1,200 to get to 500hp with e fuel tune exhaust intake that’s $3,800 for a high 9 second car
Not saying you wrong but 2v heads don’t move enough air unless you go with trick flow heads it equals out but not really bruh you have to to boost the hell out the 2v then you won’t have the street drivable coyote wins pound for pound bruh yes it cost more as coming from a racer
@@chuckford4393 it depends on how much power you are trying to make. For this video I said the 2v would only need to make stock coyote power. I agree that if you want a max effort 2v, tfs heads would be best.
I w race any naturally aspirated V8 w my Coyote especially that piece of crap 4.6, I smoke em all the time even w power adder,when I put a blower on it it's all over
A stock 4.6 fuel system wouldnt hold up then you gotta get a tune. I believe the 4.6 2v is cheaper but probably by about 800$ realistically. And i love the 2v. Its my favorite v8 ever built but im just thinking of the fuel system and tuning to make it actually run
@@datchannel1 Right, a fuel system and tune would be needed with both projects. That's why I said I wasn't including those things.
Foot pounds.
You can make more than 600 with a ls7 💅 N/A. Like N/A
You can't make 3,000 hp boosted without 7+ liters of billet parts😂
FoMoCo cast engines can and have...repeatedly
LS more reliable😎
LS better tho
Show us the overall Sick Week winning LS....
Doesn't exist, but Brett Lasala has with a prepped oe cast Predator/Coyote setting the drag and drive radial world record 6.26 @ 227mph and made 2930 whp after winning 4 events in a row.
Show us the LS running 300.4 mph in a standing mile ..
The 5.4L 4V has held the standing mile records since 2011 and in 2019 became the first passenger car to achieve 300 in a standing mile.
Closest LS is 263.9 mph. Not even close.
And which LS has been 5.88 at 256mph with an almost entirely oe parts engine?...zero.
The 4.6 4V has
😂
....Crickets
Just go LS
Bro I'm falling asleep. The music and you talking is nerve racking! I love your idea about the engines. But you are all over the place. I'm not trying to be a jerk. I stayed all the way through the video. Bullet point it and split in half. Coyote vs 4.6 and hearse it a few times. Just my stupid 2 cents great idea though. Godspeed.
@@jeremymcclain891 Appreciate your feedback. I don't take your comment as being a jerk, you're not liking the format and that's fine. I'm not a professional content creator so my audio is still a work in progress. Appreciate your feedback.
@@SN95Power Bring down the volume of the clips and background music, -18db. Kill the background music after the lead in, 30 minutes of the same song any song kills the vibe. If it gets to stale add sound effects or captions.
@@SN95PowerThe music is over the top js. Love the content though otherwise. It was nice to come on here and hear him so much Common Sense talking about the 4.6!