Trying to recapture the past, just with lesser quality. Digital Studio Workstations of the late 90s were pretty powerful, e.g. Roland VS-1680 had a big internal screen with 320x240.
Lol are you kidding? Look at the size difference ffs. You must be joking if you call the Roland “portable”. I mean, sure you can take it with you, but it’s not gonna fit in a backpack full of shit or a small travel luggage.
@@AshtrayAnnie I did not call a Roland VS portable, if you care to read my original comment. I said those MTs were more powerful and had much better audio quality. Comparing my Roland VS-880EX with my Zoom R8 for that matter.
@@johnsmith-ug5tp Most of us already do lol, problem remains though, many fingers, even slimmer like mine, can accidently hit the wrong icon, or 3 at a time. 😅
@@bikersoncall I was just being a smart ass. lol I bought an interface a few weeks ago and returned it because i could barely read the software program on my desktop monitor @ 200%. Even when I was younger with my perfect eyesight it would still annoy me. All of them still have a long way to go in offering an easy to see and USE recording interface. I just want to record some tracks. and create a song. I dont want to be a professional studio engineer with a masters in computer programs.
I'll ask this question again since no one addressed it earlier. Can this recorder sync to external gear? And I'll extend that question. Why did Zoom give up putting a midi-out on its gear? Midi via USB is a cop out. Including an actual midi output would be the answer to the earlier question. I'm a big fan of Zoom. I own a lot of your gear. Really confused by this omission.
i don't understand why the R12 and R20 were changed to only allow looping in playback by copying and pasting further measures, thereby repeating your recorded measures in the 1st region. i don't want to create a timeline for a whole song until i mix down. why did Zoom get rid of the R8 ability to loop measures continuously in playback?
The thing is certainly interesting and inexpensive - but in fact we see the evolution of the mixer to the computer. I wonder why - why manufacturers do not produce compact laptops with a good built-in multi-channel card high-quality DAC A/D converter) with microphone and Hi-Z inputs and outputs to the monitor and powerful DSP processors (vocals, guitar, etc.) and touch screen - in a compact design. (13 inches). Such a system combined with software would eliminate the need for other compact digital mixers and portastudios. Are there such systems on the market?
Hi, can i use the R12 as a Backing track machine? I have a band an we need some guitars and synths , i know that many people use the R8 for this porpuses, but the R12 can do the same?
@@ericanderson7059, Editing music tracks can be a precise business. Moving or cutting a track at the right moment might mean you need to line up two tracks exactly to the beat. Using a touch-screen, especially a small one, to line up audio clips in a multi-track recording would be quite frustrating. Having a physical knob to turn would allow the precision necessary to adjust values to exactly line up clips. This video shows everyone doing it with giant meat sticks (fingers). If you could plug in an external physical control surface, that would be great. I really want a product like this and only a company like Zoom could make it affordable. Sadly, this doesn't quite cut it. I am looking for an 8 track stereo multi-track recorder (record all tracks simultaneously) with an interface similar to this, but with the precision to actually finish tracks and mix down for a fast DAWless workflow (on-board compressor/limiter, multi-band compressor, mastering EQ, etc.). The dream would be 8 stereo tracks with the workflow of analog, but the precision and power of digital.
@@Usul Hehe, check out Roland VS-880EX (from 1999). Still have mine. However, recording with e.g. a RME Babyface Pro and an iPad running Cubasis or MultiTrack DAW is so much more convenient.
Does anyone know if projects can be shared between this r12 and an r24? Can I have projects saved from an r24, then plug the same sd card into an r12 and see all the projects?
:-) Check out Zoom MRS-1044 from 2002. Cool product back then, also had the drum trigger pads someone demanded in the comments. However, soundwise not quite in the league of my Roland VS-880EX from 1999.
Great but...how bout next time use a rechargeable Li-ion battery? 5 hours isn’t enough for me and I don’t want to spend a fortune on AA batteries. Otherwise very impressive unit
The big limitations of built in rechargeable batteries are that the equipment will be out of action quite awhile while having to find a power source to recharge. Yes the unit like other newer portable zoom equipment can be powered by powerbanks.
I'm a dj / karaoke artist how can this best serve me live( small venues 50 or less ) using only the R12 , an android device for backing tracks and out board powered monitors ? Thank you
@@vibes..585 That's what they said about The Shaggs until ... ! Switching lanes though what do think of this piece of kit for portable use at a micro wedding type setting w backing tracks for a singing dj non instrumentalists whose set centers around a lot of crowd sing along " karaoke ( without visual lyrics but more reliant on memory based recall ) style " participation routed out to powered monitors plus w the ability to record . Thank you for the discourse btw I knew karaoke artist sounded crazy when I wrote it 😂. Peace ! Oh yeah are you a musician ?
lol..this wouldn t be too bad, if if just for recording dawlessly.....But, those preamps..meh.....I don t believe they can be good,if compared to the ones on my audiocards and mixers. LOL. My only gripe is really the preamp quality for recording.....That s why I didn t get the R20. I m tired of daws, for recording
@@gibson2623 Another (cheaper) alternative might be 1010 bluebox... Or iPad 2021 (around 350$) with MultiTrack DAW (a very user friendly DAW) plus a nice audio interface like a used RME Babyface Pro or maybe a used Apogee Quartet (500-600$) or even a new Motu M4. This combination is unbeatable as for convenience and audio quality.
This sucks, I just found out you're discontinuing the R8, which is what I wanted. I've only watched a minute of this and I can tell already I'd greatly prefer the R8 over this, and will likely buy either a used one or something completely different from one of your competitors. Why would you stop making such a popular model as the R8? Dumb move.
I’ve owned a Zoom R8 for a number of years. I’ve yet to use it to full effect but I believe it is more intuitive than the many handheld multitrack recorders of which I’ve owned and still own right the way back 20+ years the Zoom Palm Studio PS02
@@GrandpaMunstersMultitrackLab If something happens to the laptop program, simply reinstall it. If something happens to the R12, send it back to Zoom or repair shop.
Trying to recapture the past, just with lesser quality. Digital Studio Workstations of the late 90s were pretty powerful, e.g. Roland VS-1680 had a big internal screen with 320x240.
Lol are you kidding? Look at the size difference ffs. You must be joking if you call the Roland “portable”. I mean, sure you can take it with you, but it’s not gonna fit in a backpack full of shit or a small travel luggage.
@@AshtrayAnnie I did not call a Roland VS portable, if you care to read my original comment. I said those MTs were more powerful and had much better audio quality. Comparing my Roland VS-880EX with my Zoom R8 for that matter.
A VS880 is portable enough, though, and can be switched to CF card.
This device is not meant to fully replace a DAW. Portability means some compromises are necessary.
@@AshtrayAnnie chessmate, ya got em. LOL!
2.4” touch screen size might be too small. It should be the same size as R20, 4.3". It might be frustrating to edit with the tiny screen.
Agreed, way too small.
wear some cheaters lol
@@johnsmith-ug5tp Most of us already
do lol, problem remains though,
many fingers, even slimmer like mine,
can accidently hit the wrong icon,
or 3 at a time. 😅
@@bikersoncall I was just being a smart ass. lol I bought an interface a few weeks ago and returned it because i could barely read the software program on my desktop monitor @ 200%. Even when I was younger with my perfect eyesight it would still annoy me. All of them still have a long way to go in offering an easy to see and USE recording interface. I just want to record some tracks. and create a song. I dont want to be a professional studio engineer with a masters in computer programs.
So great! Can you please add the R12 input routing to the R20 with an update?
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Wow! Interesting handy device. Good job Zoom.
Still waiting for R24 mk II with non touchscreen & bigger LCD..
What do the drum sounds sound like? I can't find any videos anywhere demonstrating what the drums sound like.
i need it 👽💙
I'll ask this question again since no one addressed it earlier. Can this recorder sync to external gear? And I'll extend that question. Why did Zoom give up putting a midi-out on its gear? Midi via USB is a cop out. Including an actual midi output would be the answer to the earlier question. I'm a big fan of Zoom. I own a lot of your gear. Really confused by this omission.
Zero midi sync. But you might be able to work around with IOS
i don't understand why the R12 and R20 were changed to only allow looping in playback by copying and pasting further measures, thereby repeating your recorded measures in the 1st region. i don't want to create a timeline for a whole song until i mix down. why did Zoom get rid of the R8 ability to loop measures continuously in playback?
Love This
I have the R24 which is great for instant recording. The R12/R20's lack of internal mics mean that I won't be buying. Hope they are on the next model.
The thing is certainly interesting and inexpensive - but in fact we see the evolution of the mixer to the computer. I wonder why - why manufacturers do not produce compact laptops with a good built-in multi-channel card high-quality DAC A/D converter) with microphone and Hi-Z inputs and outputs to the monitor and powerful DSP processors (vocals, guitar, etc.) and touch screen - in a compact design. (13 inches). Such a system combined with software would eliminate the need for other compact digital mixers and portastudios. Are there such systems on the market?
Most people still like having actual physical knobs and switches tbh.
Looks very good! Need Doubling for voice and what about Drum Trigger Pads in the future?
Does it remember the individual track levels for each song ? Always a massive frustration with my old mrs4
Nice unit - can you import extra drum loops ?
That's what I've been looking for
Just what I was looking for, is coming out very soon. Awesome!!!!!!
Been looking for a multitrack & that Interface is too choppy
Please tell me this has vocal "Autotune" built in! please!
Do you guys have a demo or tutorial about the seq mode for live backing track performance? Would love to see how that works.
Is this like a mix of Teenage Engineering OP1 and TX-6 combination?
So there are no punch ins?
is this the latest multi-track recorder in 2023?
Can you import mp3 files ?
How do you get answers on this thing ?
Nobody ever said this is
a q and a forum.
Wonder what cost will be ?
When you can you get it
The website says 299 w Oct ish arrival ....worth it ?? Great name b.t.w.
Hi, can i use the R12 as a Backing track machine? I have a band an we need some guitars and synths , i know that many people use the R8 for this porpuses, but the R12 can do the same?
Ca. You only use “ guitar lab” on one track ??
cool stuff :)
Nice video! Will it read SD cards from my R8?
Editing track regions with a little tiny touch screen gives me anxiety. Is there a way to move/edit/modify using a jog wheel or input knob instead?
I'm a knoob , an external device such as a ??? Thanks .
@@ericanderson7059, Editing music tracks can be a precise business. Moving or cutting a track at the right moment might mean you need to line up two tracks exactly to the beat. Using a touch-screen, especially a small one, to line up audio clips in a multi-track recording would be quite frustrating. Having a physical knob to turn would allow the precision necessary to adjust values to exactly line up clips. This video shows everyone doing it with giant meat sticks (fingers). If you could plug in an external physical control surface, that would be great.
I really want a product like this and only a company like Zoom could make it affordable. Sadly, this doesn't quite cut it. I am looking for an 8 track stereo multi-track recorder (record all tracks simultaneously) with an interface similar to this, but with the precision to actually finish tracks and mix down for a fast DAWless workflow (on-board compressor/limiter, multi-band compressor, mastering EQ, etc.). The dream would be 8 stereo tracks with the workflow of analog, but the precision and power of digital.
@@Usul Hehe, check out Roland VS-880EX (from 1999). Still have mine. However, recording with e.g. a RME Babyface Pro and an iPad running Cubasis or MultiTrack DAW is so much more convenient.
How much did it cost them to add jack inputs?
Midi sync?
no...
Does anyone know if projects can be shared between this r12 and an r24?
Can I have projects saved from an r24, then plug the same sd card into an r12 and see all the projects?
Projects recorded on the R24 can not be imported to the R12.
@@ZoomSoundLab Ok, thanks for letting me know. Appreciate it!
Midi sync this time right guys?
:-) Check out Zoom MRS-1044 from 2002. Cool product back then, also had the drum trigger pads someone demanded in the comments. However, soundwise not quite in the league of my Roland VS-880EX from 1999.
👍👍🏻👍🏼👍🏽👍🏾👍🏿
Dont know if it is practical to use such a tiny touchscreen with big adult fingers......
Great but...how bout next time use a rechargeable Li-ion battery? 5 hours isn’t enough for me and I don’t want to spend a fortune on AA batteries. Otherwise very impressive unit
You can use a power bank with it optionally, so no need for a builtin battery!
The big limitations of built in rechargeable batteries are that the equipment will be out of action quite awhile while having to find a power source to recharge.
Yes the unit like other newer portable zoom equipment can be powered by powerbanks.
Use rechargable batteries. I do it all the time. They can last 5 years or more.
Hi,can i also record with guitar,thanks ?
Yes,i can 🤷♂️👍
Get rid of the elevator music if you want to be taken seriously.
Lol. Zucchini is on sale this week.
I'm a dj / karaoke artist how can this best serve me live( small venues 50 or less ) using only the R12 , an android device for backing tracks and out board powered monitors ? Thank you
Karaoke Artist ? Wtf is that ? 🤣
@@vibes..585 I paint while I'm singing 😅
@@ericanderson7059 There's no Art in Karaoke.
@@vibes..585 That's what they said about The Shaggs until ... ! Switching lanes though what do think of this piece of kit for portable use at a micro wedding type setting w backing tracks for a singing dj non instrumentalists whose set centers around a lot of crowd sing along " karaoke ( without visual lyrics but more reliant on memory based recall ) style " participation routed out to powered monitors plus w the ability to record . Thank you for the discourse btw I knew karaoke artist sounded crazy when I wrote it 😂. Peace ! Oh yeah are you a musician ?
no punch in punch out option RIDICULOUS......................
lol..this wouldn t be too bad, if if just for recording dawlessly.....But, those preamps..meh.....I don t believe they can be good,if compared to the ones on my audiocards and mixers. LOL. My only gripe is really the preamp quality for recording.....That s why I didn t get the R20. I m tired of daws, for recording
@@gibson2623 What do you think about Sond Devices Mix Pre 6 II with Musician plugin? Preamps are pretty good.
@@followyourpassion8378 hey....Thanks. Yeah, but for that price and what it does, no wayyyy
@@gibson2623 Another (cheaper) alternative might be 1010 bluebox... Or iPad 2021 (around 350$) with MultiTrack DAW (a very user friendly DAW) plus a nice audio interface like a used RME Babyface Pro or maybe a used Apogee Quartet (500-600$) or even a new Motu M4. This combination is unbeatable as for convenience and audio quality.
@@followyourpassion8378 hi. thank you for the suggestion. No mic pres? weird
This sucks, I just found out you're discontinuing the R8, which is what I wanted. I've only watched a minute of this and I can tell already I'd greatly prefer the R8 over this, and will likely buy either a used one or something completely different from one of your competitors. Why would you stop making such a popular model as the R8? Dumb move.
I’ve owned a Zoom R8 for a number of years. I’ve yet to use it to full effect but I believe it is more intuitive than the many handheld multitrack recorders of which I’ve owned and still own right the way back 20+ years the Zoom Palm Studio PS02
Correct. Most people have lap tops anyway. It's too complicated and too many things can go wrong.
@@Ston247 I think software/laptop recording is "too complicated" .. I'd much rather use a multitracker.
@@GrandpaMunstersMultitrackLab If something happens to the laptop program, simply reinstall it. If something happens to the R12, send it back to Zoom or repair shop.