Sam compares recoil and follow up shot potential with 3 big bore calibers, the 50 BMG, 505 Gibbs and our Model 89 chambered in 500 Smith & Wesson Magnum.
I had a 505 Gibbs built by Jim Wisner of Chehalis Wa. A guy I shot IDPA loved his 458 win mag, let him shoot the Gibbs. He called 458 a wuss after shooting 505. Had it appraised in 2005 for $7,000.00.
I'm a lever guy!! But I'll still take them all!! Great video as usual!!. Know terrorist have disliked this video yet. Quess they ain't talking!! Just the way we like it!! Rich 😁😁👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🔫🔫🔫
Great comparison... All those calibers are way more than I would ever need... What's your thoughts on the .500 S&W for game such as moose... and max range for the .500 S&W on game that size??? Your thoughts???
The Model 89 in 500 S&W is generally a 200 yard rifle for all North American game given the correct bullet for the task. It generally produces one shot stops with proper shot placement.
Definitely faster follow up shots from the Model 89 (and with the 18 and 22" barrel guns, you can have 7 rounds flying down range as fast as you can work the action)
I have 2 500 magnum revolvers, and I love them. I want a model 89 but I just cant bring myself to pay the price for it! Especially since my 8 3/8 inch revolver is nearly as big as a rifle haha
Very cool. How about you try to bump fire a 500 Automax:) I haven’t had the nerve yet. I do believe that’s the first 50 bmg I’ve seen with a red dot:) thanks for the fun video!
Recoil in the 500 S&W Model 89 is significantly less than the 45-70 in a Marlin, Ruger #1 or an H&R. Even though the power is greater with the M89, the stock design helps mitigate the recoil.
@@BigHornArmory well the reason I was wondering about the recoil difference was cause I own a Henry rifle chambered in 45-70 and I was just wanting to know on what to expect so if I would be able to get one of the model 89 rifles later.
I own a Model 89 and a Marlin 1894SBL in 45-70. The 89 is lighter on recoil until you get into pushing real heavy bullets, 500gr and heavier. Shooting lighter loads like 275gr bullets is surprisingly tame.
The 500 definitely is faster follow up shots, but I’m not going to be hunting any Cape buffalo with it. The 505 has double the energy. Great demonstration. 500s&w is good for any North American game
I think that things going to be a classic. I know it's expensive but that would make a nice addition to your Channel and your collection. Because it's 50 caliber I think it might be one of the first on Ol Uncle Joe's hit list.
I gave it a thumbs-up because I like the gun. But Big Horn, please do demos at a range that will meet NSSF specs. Too many "backyard accidents" come from home-built ranges that don't meet the specs to set a good example and prevent those accidents that were really negligence in building a proper backstop. Please understand, this is purely constructive criticism and intended to up your level of professionalism as perceived by safety conscious industry pros.
lol..... it's a giant pile of dirt... not sure how that's not a "proper backstop". Most military qual ranges don't even have backstops lol. Benefits of not living up your neighbor's butt: you can shoot safely lol. You'd hate to see my proofing setup... it involves a tpost, a 2x4, coated wire, a string, and an abandoned railroad fill lol. Safety-Sally's can get bent, there's a big difference between being safe and paying stupid money to someone so they can pat you on the back and tell you "you're safe".
No sir, the 45-70 is too long for our action, it would require a complete re-design, plus the 500 S&W can do everything the 45-70 can do and more so we don't see the need. When you can shoot 200gr up to 700gr bullets out of the Model 89 you're covering a lot of bases that most other calibers aren't capable of. Plus, half inch holes...
Though I love the rifle none the less, you can't compare anti-materiel & an elephant gun to 500 S&W. It's not even apples to watermelons. Can't compare cracking an engine block to cracking an elephants skull to putting down a grizzly. That still is a pistol load.
That pistol load has more power than the 450 bm, 458 socom, and 50 Beowulf. It’s not as much the size of the case as it is the pressure the case can handle (60,000 psi which is identical to the 50bmg) compare that to the 500 nitro express at 40,000 psi.
@@BuggaBoy69 didn't know that for sure. I would love getting a rifle with a 22" barrel in that caliber. I know only of the Towner pump action and the big horn armory lever action. Those 2 are amazing carbines in 500 S&W. With a busted wrist like mine those are my best choice.
Calling that thing a pistol round is like calling a 350 Chevy a motorcycle engine. True they got Boss Hoss motorcycles with 350 Chevys in them but?????
Wonder how inexpensive a person could get 500 S&W magnum down to with hand loading, during a non-escalating non-Marxist-insurgency year in the USA in relative peace...... Factory rounds are stupid expensive. The 454 Casull is definitely more tolerable cost wise, but not the same beast-crushing power.
Its pretty cheap. I have owned many and currently own a 500 jrh. Aka 500 smith short. Hard cast bullets are very cheap. Can roll your own for much less than the price of factory ammo
@@pyrorye-80 After factoring brass, powder, primers, cast bullets, cleaning solutions/material, and some of your personal time, what would you put on the cost per round?
@@pyrorye-80 I've reloaded years ago, and I thought less than 30 cents was "inexpensive" with small bore centerfire rifle stuff. A buck per round of 50cal doesn't sound cheap.
@@exothermal.sprocket primer costs $0.08, 440gr of lead costs $0.14, cases depreciate to around $0.07 (assuming average of 10 loadings), 10gr of blue dot is $0.04. Employees at most Ammo MFG's make around $11-17/hr, and you can turn out between 20 and 800 rd/hr (your equipment and process determines that). That equipment depreciates to around $0.01/rd (or less), as it's going to last your lifetime (you aren't going to wear out reloading equipment loading for private use... just saying). That's $0.34/rd for .500 SW Mag, not including your time, which can be anything from $0.01/rd to $0.85/rd (I never include my time in my cost, I enjoy loading ammo, it's part of shooting, and I do it when I can't really do anything else (rainy days, winter, when I'm home sick, babysitting while the kid is napping, not wanting to deal with my wife's attitude, ect)). In a rifle, you could realistically use less of a slower powder like BL-C2 ; 5gr of that runs around $0.02 . H110, Power Pro 300MP, and Reloder-7 cost about the same, and might work better in a 16" barrel. Could also load it with BP and have something akin to .50-45-400 Carbine; 45gr of homemade BP can run you $0.016
minimum OAL is 26", 13" LOP + 16" barrel + 4" receiver is 33". You could cut the stock down to a 7" LOP and still be legal (IDK why you would, most child's stocks are 10", and a .500 SW carbine isn't exactly a child's rifle)
Not gonna lie you handled that 505 like a boss
Geez, you aint lyin.
That 505 looks like a beast of a round.
It really is, you definitely know when you touch it off though haha
it is the big brother of British old ammo, the others being 202, 303 British and 404 Jeffrey
Grabs the bolt and yanks it. Something like a 55gal drum flies out of the receiver...
Until you try a 577NE pushing a 750grainer at 2180fps... ~140lbs or recoil...I've seen grown men cry ;)
Insane
I like that Model 89!
For that .505 - you sure rode that recoil like a boss!
Those slow motion sounds & mechanics of those rifles are like watching butter melt atop a slice of American Apple Pie.
I want (need) one of you model 89's! Would make the perfect guide gun here in Alaska.
I had a 505 Gibbs built by Jim Wisner of Chehalis Wa. A guy I shot IDPA loved his 458 win mag, let him shoot the Gibbs. He called 458 a wuss after shooting 505. Had it appraised in 2005 for $7,000.00.
I'm a lever guy!! But I'll still take them all!! Great video as usual!!. Know terrorist have disliked this video yet. Quess they ain't talking!! Just the way we like it!! Rich 😁😁👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🔫🔫🔫
that modified lee enfield is much better you know
Which modified Lee-Enfield?
Great comparison... All those calibers are way more than I would ever need... What's your thoughts on the .500 S&W for game such as moose... and max range for the .500 S&W on game that size??? Your thoughts???
The Model 89 in 500 S&W is generally a 200 yard rifle for all North American game given the correct bullet for the task. It generally produces one shot stops with proper shot placement.
You certainly know how to cycle hard-hitting rifles! Perry, SoCal
Definitely faster follow up shots from the Model 89 (and with the 18 and 22" barrel guns, you can have 7 rounds flying down range as fast as you can work the action)
That 16" 89 would be a great bear gun
Could you do a video or share some info about that 505? I'm working on a similar project.
I got a cz 505 Gibbs and love it
I have 2 500 magnum revolvers, and I love them. I want a model 89 but I just cant bring myself to pay the price for it! Especially since my 8 3/8 inch revolver is nearly as big as a rifle haha
I like that model 89 a lot. :-)
Very cool. How about you try to bump fire a 500 Automax:) I haven’t had the nerve yet. I do believe that’s the first 50 bmg I’ve seen with a red dot:) thanks for the fun video!
Awesome vid. Me personally would much prefer the bighorn in 50 alaskan. Would make for a cool vid too
Interesting video as I have been wondering if the 500 magnum would have African dangerous game potential.
At 4600 ft-lbs with the right cartridge, a lot of persons think so. We have sold a number of these to African PH's.
I am curious to see on how the recoil between a 45-70 and the model 89 in 500 S&W Magnum would compare.
Recoil in the 500 S&W Model 89 is significantly less than the 45-70 in a Marlin, Ruger #1 or an H&R. Even though the power is greater with the M89, the stock design helps mitigate the recoil.
@@BigHornArmory well the reason I was wondering about the recoil difference was cause I own a Henry rifle chambered in 45-70 and I was just wanting to know on what to expect so if I would be able to get one of the model 89 rifles later.
I own a Model 89 and a Marlin 1894SBL in 45-70. The 89 is lighter on recoil until you get into pushing real heavy bullets, 500gr and heavier. Shooting lighter loads like 275gr bullets is surprisingly tame.
Price of rifle Smith &weston 500 caliber
Lever action.
Where did you get the rail for the big horn 500 s&w
Direct from Big Horn Armory.
I love my model 89.
rode the wave of 505 recoil to cycle the bolt
The 500 definitely is faster follow up shots, but I’m not going to be hunting any Cape buffalo with it. The 505 has double the energy. Great demonstration. 500s&w is good for any North American game
Nice gun
I think that things going to be a classic. I know it's expensive but that would make a nice addition to your Channel and your collection.
Because it's 50 caliber I think it might be one of the first on Ol Uncle Joe's hit list.
bill jones You’re right about that
bill jones it certainly is a nice looking gun , and well-made too
I gave it a thumbs-up because I like the gun. But Big Horn, please do demos at a range that will meet NSSF specs. Too many "backyard accidents" come from home-built ranges that don't meet the specs to set a good example and prevent those accidents that were really negligence in building a proper backstop. Please understand, this is purely constructive criticism and intended to up your level of professionalism as perceived by safety conscious industry pros.
lol..... it's a giant pile of dirt... not sure how that's not a "proper backstop". Most military qual ranges don't even have backstops lol. Benefits of not living up your neighbor's butt: you can shoot safely lol. You'd hate to see my proofing setup... it involves a tpost, a 2x4, coated wire, a string, and an abandoned railroad fill lol. Safety-Sally's can get bent, there's a big difference between being safe and paying stupid money to someone so they can pat you on the back and tell you "you're safe".
Any thoughts on making one chambered in45-70 govt
No sir, the 45-70 is too long for our action, it would require a complete re-design, plus the 500 S&W can do everything the 45-70 can do and more so we don't see the need. When you can shoot 200gr up to 700gr bullets out of the Model 89 you're covering a lot of bases that most other calibers aren't capable of. Plus, half inch holes...
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Though I love the rifle none the less, you can't compare anti-materiel & an elephant gun to 500 S&W. It's not even apples to watermelons. Can't compare cracking an engine block to cracking an elephants skull to putting down a grizzly. That still is a pistol load.
That pistol load has more power than the 450 bm, 458 socom, and 50 Beowulf.
It’s not as much the size of the case as it is the pressure the case can handle (60,000 psi which is identical to the 50bmg) compare that to the 500 nitro express at 40,000 psi.
@@BuggaBoy69 didn't know that for sure. I would love getting a rifle with a 22" barrel in that caliber. I know only of the Towner pump action and the big horn armory lever action. Those 2 are amazing carbines in 500 S&W. With a busted wrist like mine those are my best choice.
Calling that thing a pistol round is like calling a 350 Chevy a motorcycle engine.
True they got Boss Hoss motorcycles with 350 Chevys in them but?????
That 16” ‘89 looks like a 10” ‘89 😂
Simulated follow up shot for 50 bmg was way off. No way you could unscrew and reload that fast
What with the head phones!? Playing call of duty too much fu.
Wonder how inexpensive a person could get 500 S&W magnum down to with hand loading, during a non-escalating non-Marxist-insurgency year in the USA in relative peace......
Factory rounds are stupid expensive. The 454 Casull is definitely more tolerable cost wise, but not the same beast-crushing power.
Its pretty cheap. I have owned many and currently own a 500 jrh. Aka 500 smith short. Hard cast bullets are very cheap. Can roll your own for much less than the price of factory ammo
@@pyrorye-80 After factoring brass, powder, primers, cast bullets, cleaning solutions/material, and some of your personal time, what would you put on the cost per round?
@@exothermal.sprocket my guess is a little over $1 a round. Just a guess and that is when things are normal
@@pyrorye-80 I've reloaded years ago, and I thought less than 30 cents was "inexpensive" with small bore centerfire rifle stuff. A buck per round of 50cal doesn't sound cheap.
@@exothermal.sprocket primer costs $0.08, 440gr of lead costs $0.14, cases depreciate to around $0.07 (assuming average of 10 loadings), 10gr of blue dot is $0.04. Employees at most Ammo MFG's make around $11-17/hr, and you can turn out between 20 and 800 rd/hr (your equipment and process determines that). That equipment depreciates to around $0.01/rd (or less), as it's going to last your lifetime (you aren't going to wear out reloading equipment loading for private use... just saying). That's $0.34/rd for .500 SW Mag, not including your time, which can be anything from $0.01/rd to $0.85/rd (I never include my time in my cost, I enjoy loading ammo, it's part of shooting, and I do it when I can't really do anything else (rainy days, winter, when I'm home sick, babysitting while the kid is napping, not wanting to deal with my wife's attitude, ect)).
In a rifle, you could realistically use less of a slower powder like BL-C2 ; 5gr of that runs around $0.02 . H110, Power Pro 300MP, and Reloder-7 cost about the same, and might work better in a 16" barrel. Could also load it with BP and have something akin to .50-45-400 Carbine; 45gr of homemade BP can run you $0.016
You could get arrested for having that supershort carbine
It's only made in 16" 18" 22" barrels which are all perfectly legal barrel lengths in the US
minimum OAL is 26", 13" LOP + 16" barrel + 4" receiver is 33". You could cut the stock down to a 7" LOP and still be legal (IDK why you would, most child's stocks are 10", and a .500 SW carbine isn't exactly a child's rifle)
@@wildrangeringreen thank you for your explanation Sir