Sir John Curtice Calls Out Steve Baker's Rubbish On Local Elections!
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- Опубліковано 3 тра 2024
- Sir John Curtice called out Tory MP Steve Baker who sugguested that a reason why the Conservatives did so badly was due to so many voters staying at home...but there is a problem with that...
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I'm in my eighth decade....did well in business...NEVER VOTED TORY and VOTED REMAIN....unforgivable what this bunch of pathetic incompetents have done to a once decent country over the past fourteen years....?
Well said sir .👍
I'm 65, never voted Tory AND voted to remain. The Tories have wrecked my final years of employment, which included working in Europe. And stopped me from retiring to a better climate, which many leave voters who live in Spain and France have enjoyed.
By design
When pray were we "decent"? I must have missed that.
I too am in my 8th decade and I have never known so much damage done by any party in government
I’m a homeowner. I always vote; I have never voted Tory, and I voted to Remain (each time).
If you owned some other people's home you would be statistically more likely to vote Tory.
Power/money has a tendancy to damage empathy.
@@julianshepherd2038Rentier capitalism is not in my DNA.
same here would never vote tories
I'm a landlord and would never vote Tory, as I try not to be too much of a selfish Hunt. Some of my tenants do, though... 🤦
you got it half right the not voting tories but the brexit turns out was a good idea the eu is going under so is wef
Bravo Sir John Curtice! 👏👏👏
Thankfully, the Tories are arrogant and lazy enough to believe that lies will keep on working after their main serial liar was found out. Sunak repeats the pattern in the House and is as boring as a broken clock.
A debunker a day keeps Steve Baker at bay.
Exactly!
😂😂😂😂😂😂 😂
I like that nice and snappy.
"We lost because we are so rubbish that we couldn't even convince our traditionally loyal CORE SUPPORTERS to come out and vote for us."
Sir John Curtice The Voice of Reason 😎
I wouldn't go that far. He and the polling companies have consistently overestimated the vote share of New Labour by as much as 10%, which caused a lot of problems for people in both main parties. He really is quite bad at what he is paid to do. That said the tory is out to lunch here.
@@archvaldorhow do you know that the Labour vote share is overestimated? We haven't had a general election recently?
@@archvaldor looks like he is spot on here , shut that tory down for sure
People are still voting for Tories, I honestly can't believe it. Where have they been living for the past 14 years?
More depressing still is that the incoming government has essentially the same policies.
Southern Spain? France? ;-)
stocking their shares in offshore accounts, there is enough of them 🤬
In cloud cuckoo land
Old, rich, deluded ....
"we lost because people didn't vote for us"
yes. that is how democracy works.
well "we lost because our people didn't vote" is better than "we lost because our people didn't vote for us" because it implys that people stayed home rather than vote for other people, motivating people to vote is easier than motivating people to vote for you after they have been turned away from trusting you.
The problem with the Tories is that they won in the past with lies and for that reason it’s now stuck in their heads that if they repeat that strategy it will still work for them but what they have failed to appreciate is that the chickens have come home to roost. The writing is on the wall. That’s why they just look so stupid now.
The general public has got fed up with the continued lying
most of the general public aren't old enough to have lived in time where the Tory party weren't lying to them, these lot are just worse at it and this generation of politicians have run out of road, the next generation might be better at lying to the public, as the previous generation was. That's why they got elected.
The two officers leading the Tory strategy : General Public and Major Disappointment.
Sir John Curtice Legend ❤
It's interesting how the Tories are dismissive of the 450+ Councillors they lost, but Sunak is happy to rejoice over winning Harlow by 1 seat.
Yeah pathetic isn't it.😮
That explanation was simple enough for even steve Baker to understand
" The only reason we lost is that the other side won! "
We lost because the other team scored more goals. 😆
There's a reason why the result of an election is decided by the number of votes cast at the polling booths, not the number non-votes or spoiled votes.
Their core is not only getting smaller and smaller, but older and older, and dropping off their mortal coil.
And they are not attracting many younger voters to replace them..
@@johnrussell3961 🤣
It’s true. Gammons are dying out. I think the Reform lot will be resigned to the Lunatic Fringe and we might stand a chance of getting back to normality and not being the international embarrassment we currently are.
I bet Steve Baker thinks Susan Hall was set to win the London Mayor contest. Time for him to tune in to the news and find he was wrong once more.
It's a disgrace = Cult of the Cons
Everything and anything but taking responsibility for failed policies.🥀
its getting smaller as old people die
And the next generation of old…like me…are not forelock tugging Tory voters.And we know the triple lock is a bribe .
I love this argument. A voter who stayed at home isn’t a voter, they’re a ‘stay at Homer’
Labour know they have to deliver in power, because they ALWAYS have to. As they don’t have the media to cover for them.
This is a Conversation without an audience.
The reality: There are no instructions with the Conservative Party.
The real Question is: when did; Immigration, The NHS, Schools; The Economics???????
When did they become problems and who’s been in charge?
Answers on the ballot papers!
NO, that's not how voting works, if people put the answers on the ballot papers then their will be more votes for the Tories.
Who has a greater than zero chance of fixing the problems the Tories have cause???? answers on the ballot paper, please!
Not quite without an audience. If any senior Tory let slip on air that the GE is a lost cause it would go viral. How many of the party faithful do you think would still go out on the doorsteps with that hanging in the air?
Voters stayed at home! Like saying my football team would have won if we'd scored a goal.
Sir John Curtice or Steve Baker
Who to believe 🤔
A lot like Ken Ham vs. Bill Nye.
(Bill Nye… every day of the week and twice on Sunday {apologies to Kevin Pollack}).
😌
They can spin it any way they like, but we know and that makes me smile.
To quote Krishnan Guru-Murphy. Steve Baker "What a c***"
Na Baker ain't that good.
It is alarming that only around 35% of eligible voters (for whatever party or candidate) turned up. A state of apathy and frustration with our political leaders/system. And these were local elections with their results bearing direct impact on the residents. We are a quite alienated bunch.
It's not uncommon for turn out to be low in local elections.
"It's the voters' fault for not being gullible enough".
Pathetic excuses by the Tories. If under 40s all came out to vote, we would never have had the past 14 years of chaos. Cakeism 101
Haha the (self proclaimed) "Brexit Hardman" 😂🤣
Great presentation as ever. I’ve wondered for years why politics seems to attract an inordinate number of charlatans, liars, fraudsters, and crooks? Is it easy money? Lucrative directorships? Being a member of parliament is a discredited, meaningless position. So many, from all parties, have held the tax paying public in utter contempt for so long, that decent people are disgusted. I’m not sure what the answer to this is.
I would wager that there are far more Conservatives that hold the public in contempt by all measures, than from other parties. The Tories are basically entitled scum, they think they are better than everyone else. Their only actual goal is to transfer the wealth from the poor, to themselves and their mates/donors. That's all there is, there is nothing else.
Tories are tired of experts telling the truth.
This is an honest appraisal. Great message. Voting Tour is like being in denial of the destruction to this Country
People are not 'your voters' if they do not vote for you.
They're saying they lost because people didn't want to vote for them.
Steve Baker admitted that the fall out over brexit damaged hi mental health.
Hard man, my foot.
We'd have won if people voted for us! Shame it doesn't lead to the obvious question of why don't people vote for us.
Talking sense, presenting facts, is a waste of time. We are governed by those who live in an alternate reality and unless they return to our reality they will never understand.
The question is, why did they stay at home?
John Curtice earns more than a crust🥴
Some jam too, no doubt. But he earns it.
@@user-pd5et5ft7pHe certainly does. He came to speak to our community council once about proportional representation, gratis.
Baker is committed to brexit. He's a ridiculous fraud. Say no more.
Good afternoon Max and all here. He is absolutely correct. Tories and the excuses of the weak
Well said Max
"We did badly because our voters didn't turn out!"
And England would've won the World Cup if only they'd scored more goals.
Once Labour get in, maybe we can get an investigation into Russian interference in the Brexit vote.
The only way the Tories can improve their chances is to return to their core values & drop their ambition to become more Reform UK than Reform UK. It ain't gonna happen though, the rot has set in too deeply.
Well said!👍
Glenda Jackson's speech in parliament after Mrs Thatcher's passing pretty much said it all
Indeed. Cuture wars don’t put bread on the table.
BBC question time : Professor Joseph Stiglitz, shoots down tory MP when the MP says ' world troubles caused inflation, but 'WE' have got it down to 3%', the Professor Stiglitz says 'no you didnt, it was the bank of england !!' that made the MP zip his mouth 🤣🤣
Afternoon Max and all here
Curtis or Baker? Mmmm ill stick with the experts. How can voters stay at home??? They didnt vote!!!😂
I remember in the run up to the 1997 general election watching Steven Norris, one of the few (only?) decent Tories left, expressing the opinion on a forum similar to the one above - it would have been on Channel 4 as the late Vincent Hanna was the host - that the 'sentiment on the doorstep' did not match up with the polls. Bob Worcester, the John Curtice of the time, soon set him straight. He noted that the 1983 general election result was a genuine shock to those behind the scenes in Labour as the 'sentiment on the doorstep' told them they were on the right track. So they reached out to their equivalents in the other parties and crunched the numbers that they all were getting from the 'sentiment on the doorstep'. The result? When put together, the 'sentiment on the doorstep ' added up to 150% of the electorate! People are not inclined to be abusive to those they meet in general or on their doorstep in particular. Yes, they might vote for you like they did last time thank you very much now please leave me alone, but they're just being polite. They're not voting for you and there is nothing that will change their mind. I'd also note that Norris admitted after the votes were counted that his encounter with Worcester was the moment he knew they were screwed. No danger of any such moment of realisation on the part of Steve Baker.
tories: "But ... but ... the dog ate our homework."
Any excuse will do when their doings are pathetic.
I'm surprised they didn't blame Corbyn yet.
Happy to see them gone, anyway!
Everything you said in that was spot on 👌
When the reality cheque bounces the first reaction is always to apportion blame. However, blaming "your" voters for not voting, even if true, doesnt seem like a way of encouraging them to vote for you next time.
As ever, Sir John is on the ball here.
“We didn’t win as we didn’t score enough goals”
I love this man
So much for little richies honesty integrity and truth
Rwanda a joke
The thing is, even if you lost because your voters stayed at home that’s still a massive problem. To quote Sorkin, decisions are made by those who show up.
If a business alienates their customers, they eventually go out of business.
To sustain things, they need to gain and maintain a loyal customer base.
The same is true of a political party.
Why do these people never mention that you now need photo ID to vote which restricts many people.
And this is why we should listen to experts
He also points out that the same thing has happened before previous changes in the governing party. They do not get the voters back in the general election they lose. The same thing happened to John Majors Tories..
Brexit “ hardman” , Christ let’s not give the squirt oxygen .
Bang on.
So the excuse is "We didn't lose because our team didn't turn up to play".... "if they had played we would have won" 🤦♂️
There will be just as many disgruntled previous voters from other parties who also decided to stay at home. A potential voter who decides to stay at home is not a voter for your party. It always amazes me that the Tories think they have a monopoly with regards to the voters who stay at home. For me it just illustrates their arrogance and sense of entitlement.
“Campaign in poetry - govern in prose”
Baker is a straw man, not a hard man.
The Right Honourable (honestly?!!!!) Steve Baker MP is another one pretty much guaranteed a P45 on election night - although I expect Rishi will shove him into the House Of Lords for services to the ERG
Yay, Professor Calculus !
Exactly!
Calculus … a genius and polymath.
Misunderstood but still correct.
😉
Love your clips of politics chats on bbc newsnight & bbc politics live & bbc kunesberg & Newscast. Very bad LE for Tories. Very bad.
His power level is so far off the charts that he has the same glow as Dr. Manhattan.
Lol 😆 that's a good one 😅
Sir john knows his stuff. I could listen to him a lot
The general public isn't the real target of these excuses. The Tories may need local activists to give time to knock on doors in what they all know will be a very hard general election campaign, even to secure second position and form the next official opposition. Those activists need the confidence that the people they are campaigning to save have thier backs. The shortest way to lose that confidence is to concede defeat in advance. The excuses might look ridiculous on the surface, but the dynamic is a quirk of being one of the national governing parties.
You can fool some of the people all of the time. You can fool all of the people some of the time. But as the Tories are now finding out. You can't fool all of the people all of the time.
Some one on the labour side needs to be bold about brexit. We need to join the customs union. We need a party that can unpick this mess.
“Brexit hard man”
:-)
Yes but Holden said these are typical “ mid term “ elections for a govt , so on that basis the beginning of December is the middle of the year
‘Silent majority’
I'm just loving this Tory myopia to the fact that having failed for 14 years Britain has had enough, may it last into November and the GE
Spot on
The liars in Wastemonster will continue seeing as you are not allowed to call anyone a liar when they are lying doh !!!
In my 50s, homeowner, white, employed. If the Tories have lost me, then who are they representing? I didn't stay at home, I voted to kick them under a bus. Corrupt and cruel was bad enough, but the current crowd are not even competent at being corrupt and cruel.
As Phil Moorhouse says, there's stupid and there's evil and then there's stupid evil.
I bet the all forgot their ID’s!
"If I had a pound for every time a party that has done badly in a by-election was because our voters stayed home..." then you could be a tory donor (albeit a much less corrupt and more rich one 😅 )
The government wants to get more people with mental issues back into the work environment. That's going to be difficult to implement. Especially as the majority of tory mps suffer from it. With their rhetoric.
SO VOTERS STAYING AT HOME IS A GOOD THING ?????🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂
😅If only Tory MPs would tell the truth, mined you if they did like now nobody would vote for them.
WOW blaming their own voters now! 🤣
There's one thing no one talks about. How many people can not video because they do not have photo ID. Yes there are many who will not vote because they have last heart in all party's for their lies. But I also really worry about where the UK is going. And our future too
Steve Baker “ brexit hard man “ ! “ Hard “ ! Between the ears maybe , “Man” ? With his beautifully coiffured Charlie Steyt hairdo , I’ll leave it to you to decide !
The notion that all Labour supporters voted, while only Tory voters stayed at home, is so silly. All kinds of people vote or don’t vote. If the Tories think this needs to be changed, let them make registering to vote and actually voting compulsory. The effect of that on Tory MPs would be fun to see.
"Every lie incurs a debt."
As Valery Legasov would, I'm sure, say to Steve Baker.
(Someone f×××ing needs to.)
"Steve" doesn't lie. What would Jesus think, ffs?
@@bigkdog5091
Why indeed would any Tory lie?
They're doing such a fantastic job with the economy, the NHS… raising the chocolate ration, NOT stamping on a human face.
The list goes on.
All hail Big Tory.
🤢
@@PercivalBlakeney Some fair points in there that had never even occurred to me. I'm looking at this whole event in a new light now. Thanks👍
I thought Mark Francois was the Brexit hardman - I suppose they're both of a certain 'caliber'.
Sir John Curtice has a lot of credibility, I think he is a straight talking political expert.
Don't forget to ignore the pandemic the cost of lockdown and the energy crises....Oh, you have!
Baker needs to think long and hard about why so many Tory voters stayed at home. Sunak is in thrall to the hard right rump & doesn’t dare annoy them & this puts many off. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Tories split into two (or possibly more) factions after the election leaving the way clear for progressive parties and policies.