Serious Issues with Scotland | Rugby Pod Analyse ITA v SCO | Six Nations 2024
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- Bernard Jackman joins Jim and Goodey to discuss Italy's inspirational win against Scotland in Rome.
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The lads speak on Scotland's lack of leadership, what the future looks like for Scottish Rugby if things stay the way they are at the roots, and Italy's brilliant gameplan.
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0:00 Reviewing The Game
7:53 AG1
9:30 Lack of Leadership
13:30 The Future Of Scotland Rugby - Спорт
The win over England papered over the cracks. England were dreadful in Murrayfield and handed the game to Scotland, but that result was hyped beyond belief. Scotland are good in glimpses but have never taken a proper scalp. The loss against Italy just shows where their true level is.
Totally agree. As an Englamd supporter, I felt quite happy at the end. We showed some attacking intent, but nobody wins a game when they commit 22 handling errors and 23 turnovers, actually to 0nly lose by 9pts was a result. Its sad because Scotland do play some very attractive rugby, and they are good to watch.
Sorry it's nonsense. I thought England played well for the most part if you ignore the errors.
The key to that game was that Scotland were clinical, and have been clinical in each game. You just need to look at the end of the France game where we forced a try out of nothing when we needed it, we just didn't get it. Or against Italy when we were about to score a try and there was a deliberate knock on that wasn't penalised properly.
The defense hasn't been as good as previous years, but Scotland are playing percentage rugby and from their end it is working. You can't account for some of the other strange decisions going on, and before anyone says it, you can't win games like this twice over.
We must also acknowledge that Italy very nearly beat France in the last round of the 6N. Italy are very much a team in ascendancy.
Scotland beat England largely because of England's handling errors. These were unforced errors...English backs weren't on the same page.
Ireland will not give them that opportunity.
Ireland by 10...at least.
_'True level'_ *no.*
But definitely showing that Scotland have not killed off their old habits.
Another failure for Townsend. Two world cup group stage exists and no 6 nations finish higher than 3rd. This year we had a world cup hungover French side missing their best players, a England team in transition, an Italy team that was absolutely humiliated at the world cup, a Wales team in chaos and an excellent Ireland side.
We've already lost two games and have the one really good side still to play.
We were fortunate to beat Wales and England if we are being honest. Yes the no try decision against France was poor but the game should have been long won by then. We simply don't have a winners mentality. We can be great to watch at times, which is an improvement of about 2 decades of dreadful rugby. But we aren't a serious rugby nation, we won't ever threaten the sides that know how to win things.
But it's alright because we beat England so just forget about any progression at all. It's quite pathetic really.
That’s a fair assessment; when they’re playing well and it’s going to plan Scotland look very good, but there’s a soft underbelly. As a neutral they seems to lose their heads after the disallowed try and their discipline went out the window.
Very fair assessment sir...i think you're very astute in those comments......fair go to you 😊
Good comment but slightly unfair with regard to the WC. That pool was outrageous but it does show Scotland hasn't fixed some inherent issues.
Edinburgh and Glasgow is showing well in the URC but depth remains and probably is Scotland's biggest Achille's heel. It's worrisome that there is no promising youth coming through. Wales may have a similar predicament. Wales need to drop a team.
Italy and France it seems have some really good talent coming through.
Maybe Scotland and Wales need to scout more South Africans, there is talent a plenty going abegging.
@@coatknight Yeah the group was a tough draw but sides like Wales have made it out of tough WC groups before. It was also more to back up the failure of the previous WC campaign as well. I just feel fed up of us not ever really challenging to top sides for anything.
I think that you are probably right for Scotland going forward that we will have more foreign players than scots in our side looking at the lack of talent coming though. I can't comment on the Welsh situation as I am pretty ignorant to it tbh.
As a South African who lived for many years in Scotland and spent many miserable afternoons watching Scotland implode at Murrayfield, I think you have hit the nail on the head. Moments of Brilliance, Plucky Scrappers, Can Beat Anybody on the Day. But the mindset is not of the ilk of SA or NZ where winning consistently is expected by the nation and there is a real desperation in the squad to eke out a win. Scotland , on the hand seem to be expected to lose - the talk for the Irish game is already writing Scotland off - the excuses just need fine tuning.. @@coatknight
Go ask Connor O’Shea to set up the age groups as I think when he was the Italy’s coach part of his remit was to organise the pathways for the age groups. Watching the URC over the past couple of seasons you could see the improvement in both teams. The SRU are being paid for failure.
I think he's already doing the job in England..
You're giving too much credit to O'Shea. Who really take care of the Italian youngster was Steven Aboud. Not to peave something from O'Shea, but credit is due where credit belong.
Connor O'Shea, as you profess, has profoundly helped lay the foundations of Italian rugby's journey towards acheiving recognition at the highest level. They are not there yet but are well on the road.
Watching the Scotland U20s fumble around shows you why Townsend hasn’t given a new cap to an actual Scottish player in around 4 years.
Scottish rugby players are dreadful.
Happy that unlike football , coaches get proper time in Rugby , but I cannot understand even with this honest discussion why Gregor Townsend has not come under serious review . He’s had the best Scottish player pool for a number of years and they have improved . But this team peaked 2 years ago and have won nothing . Legacy will be they beat England so many times . But I ask this , next year how do they now feel about playing this England team at Twickenham . Same voices to be heard in the dressing room and Russell who again has failed to deliver , certainly as a leader and will be a year older .
Italy have held a good track record against Scotland, last year they were on the scotland 5 at the 82nd minute only for scotland to counter and inflate the score.
Inflate the score? 😂 What's the difference btw scoring and inflating the score? 😂
@@speak_your_truth. I'm saying it was a tight game, a performance to be proud of for Italy, however when put on paper to see a 12 point difference between the two it didn't reflect how well they played. Full respect for Scotland, I don't want to seem like I'm minimising their win, apologies if it seemed like that
Finn is a good captain... what we lack is leaders in the forwards. We don't have a forward who can grab hold of the game and take control. We lack a totem player in the pack, an Alun Wyn Jones or a Peter O'Mahoney. It fell apart in the forwards, both the Italy game, the Welsh game and the French game. That's where things fall apart, whether it's the line out or the penalties.
That's true, actually. Every team (aside from Wales and Scotland) have that one forward that can grab the game and bend it to his will... like Doris, Ben Earl, Aldritt etc. I thought Dempsey looked good. I think Scotland need to learn how to play up the jumper rugby if they want to compete at the highest level. At the moment they look completely lost if things don't go their way.
Is Finn a good captain the whole game through? I am not convinced. I think your point about the forwards is bang on.
@@lindsaycameron5029 Yes for the most part I think he is. He's good at talking to the ref, and barring a questionable decision to go for the corner against France when an easy 3 points was on offer I think he's had a good tournament. It's very difficult for a captain out in the backs to get control of the forwards, and it seems to be in the forwards where the major issues are. I don't think it's a bad idea having a captain in the backs, but he needs backed up by leadership in the forwards.
The guys are out drinking after EVERY game - thats the problem … I know I saw them out after England. Finn and the players runs the show.
Wild how the UK drinking culture permeates pro sports.
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Thank you for having an honest discussion. It needs to be had. As a 47 year old proud Scot, it pains me to suggest that this may be more of a national disease we have as Scots. I have a pantheon of world class Scottish sports people of all time (all sports). There are 13 persons in it. Hopefully I am proved wrong at the weekend in Dublin by our rugby team.
I’m an ardent Scottish fan but I agree with your analysis. I’m sorely disappointed it all ended like this prognosis.
Jim, Steyn, vd Merwe, Schoemann, Nel....these are all foreign born players yet are some of the most influential on the field for Scotland....
Well, they're not really are they? Nel is pretty much retired. Steyne isn't even first choice. 🤫
Big Jim give Rassie a call and ask him for the players he's not going to use and get them onto your bench.
Give Rassie a call and ask him to do another video on Nic Berry. And ask him to do one for Nic Berry for Scotland Wales two years ago too. And have a look at Nic Berry for Scotland Ireland at the world cup last year too.
I called the no try before the game against France, because Nic Berry has form, and is predictable for the games he will have an influence on.
Italy scored two great tries by just kicking a ball through the middle. They had done their homework on Scotlands defence and if you ignore the middle 20 minutes of the first half were easily the better team. Capuozzo emptied his pockets to find DVDM in there. I really fancied the Italians in that game and they just didn't quit.
Italy have been competitive in the full championship. Good on them for getting that win. They deserved it.
As a Scotland fan, I grew up watching Scotland lose 99% of the games in this championship. The same as what the Italian fans have had to endure as they bridge the gap to the rest of the teams. I'm happy for them, as I know how demoralising it was when I was a kid watching us lose every game.
Italy are a good team now. There is no shame in losing to them. I think it's the start of the Italians going to that next level.
The AG1 segment is the best part if this video 😂 he's trying not to laugh the whole time
Great to see italy progress, they have some fantastic players, dunno why scotland keeps going to sleep in the second half of games, they really missed tuipolotu on Saturday . Scotland were robbed of that France win, but should have put the game to bed before that last attack.
Scotland weren’t world beating against England. England were hopeless and Scots took advantage but that’s not the same thing
The Scot’s just don’t look fit. It’s as if it’s all about the England game, then they go on the lash and kebabs and they have no fitness left. Russell looks huge compared to two weeks ago. (In elite athlete terms.)
Lack of professionalism.
agreed he is looking so FAT!
Huw Jones played in South Africa for WP and the Stormers for a couple of seasons...
born in Edinburgh
@@Dishfire101 Yep, I'm just tryin to highlight that alot of the experience in the Scotland team comes from players who have played alot and experienced rugby abroad. I don't know what the feeder pool looks like in Scotland.
Just found out from my coiffeur that Courtney’s coming to Brive. He mentioned his weekly wage also. Buntz
Rugby an also ran sport in Scotland, no organised schools pipeline outside public schools, really amazing that we win at all. If we don’t sort the structure out then will always be reliant on players we beg steal and borrow. Can’t plan or build on that basis.
Scotland are the Spurs of International Rugby
THE comment of the day. Congratulations. 🏴🐯
Who??
the thing is it takes a long time (a decade?) for a team to consistently win rather than be mighty underdogs capable of impressing and shocking the bigger national teams - that is probably a confidence issue (I'm thinking of how ireland had so many mental hurdles to climb since the early 2000s though they often had very good teams and players - and the world cup showed they still have such mental issues) - but it is probably also (both things are related) a matter of the development of the club and wider game in the country - again ireland (which of course will decline and fall too) was inspired and fortified by it's 'system' - there probably isn't a short-cut to that - and perhaps Scotland is hoping for that short-cut...then again they'll probably (sod's law) destroy ireland this weekend...as an irishman i never like the hype of patrick's weekend games
Why can’t Scotland have 4 premier teams like wales?
Surely this would help Scotland produce and develop the strength in depth that would enable better consistency and give them a much better pool of elite level players to compete with the best consistently
Money. Lack of players.
Rugby isn't that popular in Scotland. The two pro teams just now pull in crowds similar to the top team of the third tier in scottish football. It really is as basic as that, it isn't sustainable to have more than two teams. Even with these teams, they are propped up massively by the SRU.
Does it help Wales???
We had 4 teams. Borders and Caledonians had crap crowds. And national team could only beat Italy sometimes. Don't think increasing from 2 is any use. Rugby is simply always a very minority sport here. Also think its played less in traditional stronghold of the Borders. TBH I think soon we will take Italy place as whipping boys. And want relegation brought in. I don't want to see us like were in matt Williams era. Rather not even be in it. I've watched them since 1984
We've got better cohesion from two teams. We just don't have the grass roots development.
Quite simple, every team knows that no matter how well Scotland playing or how far ahead we are, we will always offer up a gift to them and they just have to hang in there and capitalise when it arrives. I was at the game with a mate who's not a rugby fan and we had a scrum in the 2nd half on halfway and I was explaining to him the importance of positions like that because with players in the back field t can create opportunities to run it but maybe playing for territory puts more pressure on the opposition. We went wide off the scrum and Blair Kinghorn lost the ball in contact immediately. At the scrum we gave away a penalty and then from the resulting lineout we lost a score. There's coaches at the lowest level of rugby who find that unacceptable from their team. We backed up every bit of good play with something bad and backed up mistakes with more mistakes. Why Rory Darge is the captain, I have no idea. He's not playing well at the moment. Ritchie has been rubbish recently but was awesome when he came on.
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Culture and it starts with your coach.
Why do you avoid the obvious? Tooney should have went in 2019
Uncomfortably, everything that's said is true of us. Great players in some positions, but the pattern is obvious as is the truth. We have no depth. We always seem to just about get there, and despite what was said, I honestly think we deserved everything we got. We fell away in the Welsh game, did the same against the French. Even in the England game, despit Duhi's razamatazz, I don't think we were that brilliant, and on Saturday. You just had to hide behind chairs in the second half. Worryingly, there's nothing coming through. Our youth teams are nowhere
This "once in a generation Scotland team" is a load of nonsense. The only reason Scotland have been more successful in the last 4-8 years is because the Scotland Rugby Federation has clearly allocated a large part of its development resources into finding talent abroad or "uncaptured" in the UK. You look at a lot of Scotland's 1st XV players and the fact of the matter is a lot of them are not a product of the Scottish rugby system, haven't come up through the clubs or youth systems in Scotland. It was a decent short term strategy to improve the Scotland team's results/ranking in the short run (5-15 years, roughly the playing careers of these captured players) in the hope of winning silverware, however it has backfired massively in the long run. Scotland's U20s and U18s have been consistently poor for the last few years, so poor in fact that Scotland U20s didn't qualify for the U20s wc last time, which makes them worse than 12 nations! Meanwhile their senior team was ranked 5th in the world, at this rate like Jim said Scotland will be in big trouble in a few years when this squad starts retiring. On the flip side the likes of Italy also capture foreign players however simultaneously invest heavily in the development of youth rugby in their country and it pays off at all levels u18s, u20s, club and of course senior level. It is coming to fruition as we speak with their recent results.
Gilchrist would have been the obvious captain, but at the start of the 6nations he wasn’t guaranteed a start. As it turned out, Gray got injured in game 1 and the door opened for Gilchrist starting in every game.
Bernard Jackman is in my dreams now. The fupper is everywhere😮
Scotland have gone for short term gains by drafting in a huge number of overseas players, meanwhile the age groups are getting pumped. Mentally Scotland switch off for about 20 minutes a game, against anyone who has the guts and skill to attack that's going to cost you the game. Italy did it, Wales nearly did and France scraped a win. England were woeful and made a very average Scotland look good, back to reality now and a massive game this weekend. If I was Scottish I'd want to huge effort for 80 minutes regardless of the result, Scotland have the skill and against England the passion but can they put it all together against other teams for 80 mins?
It's a mentality problem Jim. And a very unfortunate part of being Scottish.
That said next year could be the one as we have ireland at home. I had a feeling about that Italy game being a problem. I fancy the chances against France and England away more than the other three right now. We never do well in games we are supposed to win.
Can we really say we are surprised? This is such a Scotland thing to happen. The only more Scotland thing to happen would be to have beaten France and had the chance to win the six nations/grand slam and then grasp defeat from the jaws of victory.
That guy who speaks first is a total franker.
fcuk me that ag1 script was from the heart!!! that fly in the top right must have pissed you off
The lack of investment in clubs doesn't help; if we can't have 3 or 4 teams in the URC then do something radical like invest in London Scottish and have 3 teams over 2 competitions! If you don't invest in the players, you'll win nothing and we've been proving that for years now!
with a bit more experience (and some decent referees), Italy would have 3 wins now - they're having a great tournament
Gotta question the coaching. Scotland were flat on their feet after sprinting out of their blocks for the first 20mins vs Italy. They get ahead but then are gasping for air. They need to pace themselves better. Up the temped to that extreme level at the right time. But you can’t sprint all the time in an endurance event. Its looked great initially but looking back at it, it looked naive and poor management. We can’t string together much more than a good 40 mins of play over the 80 and the rest of the time is a considerable drop off. With the players at Scotland’s disposal they are underperforming. Maybe all they need is AG1!
100 talking sense here and I agree why are more questions not being asked like this, It’s true the wins over England are pappering over the cracks. A part from Italy not won a grand slam since 1990. The last 2 world cups have also been poor I do not see this improvement wot people talk about the most they won in a six nations is 3 games last 25 years that’s been very few go back and look at the stats
I think Townsend has to go. We need someone who can take the positives from townsend and take us up a level. But God knows who it could be.
Were a good yeam with a bang average coach
I get subbing the forwards, but Townsend always seems to want to change the scrum half. Ben white has consistently been excellent. Horne was doing a decent job in Italy, but the change to price was really awful. He didn’t look fit, was really slow to the breakdown and was out of position on a number of occasions. I don’t see the need to change it up, especially if you’ve someone who is clearly not fit.
On the leadership front, we’ve not had a decent leader/captain since laidlaw retired.
Ah, Scotland beat England so they're happy, successful tournament for them
Yep…except England beat England in Murrayfield
@@kensladen Scotland can bounce back on St Patrick's weekend in Dublin at the weekend.....good luck with that!!😳
The "we was robbed" excuse is a mantra that is used all over the world by teams when they are beaten. Eddie Jones did it all the time, Erasmus is a master of pressuring referees to favour SA and why do you think NZ hated Wayne Barnes so much? Partly because he missed a marginal forward pass against the French but largely because he wouldn't let the sainted Richie McCaw (and others) get away with cheating all the time.
I have been playing, coaching, refereeing and watching rugby for 55 years and I can honestly say that I have never seen an international referee be biased. Yes they make mistakes, we all do but over the course of most matches and certainly over the length of a tournament, they will even out.
Blaming referees is not the way to improve your game, you have to analyse your weaknesses and try to eliminate them. Scotland, like all teams, have areas of weakness. Two of these are clearly leadership and fitness. Since it all starts at the top, you should instead be asking, "What steps are the SRFU planning to take, in order to eliminate them"?
We need some perspective. Scotland have 2 professional teams and about 100 players to choose from. I am getting sick of the pleasure people like Jackman and Andy Goode get from Scotland’s poor performances. Look at the Italian individuals, they have some phenomenal players and it was just a matter of time before they put in a decent performance and beat a good team like Scotland.
We simply don’t have the strength and depth in the forwards. Our second row are pretty poor and we struggle physically up front.
Scotland have been building since Noah's Ark!
It feels awful saying this, but losing to Italy may prove vital in forcing our reality check.
If we'd beaten Italy, all talk would have been about Dublin next week and having that chance etc etc. This may have glossed over what has been a poor showing this 6 nations.
Lack of leadership is spot on. Wales coming back as they did, we looked completely lost out there and were lucky to hold on.
V France - we should have won that game long before the final play. That wasn't what cost us the game, our lack of turning play in to points earlier did.
V England - a tough one, England weren't great but we did show quality to ensure we won that game.
V Italy - Where was the plan? We knew we needed to step up in the second half so where was it? Who didn't step up and take control of the game?
Italy showed more bright sparks than we did - i don't think we took a 50/22 all game to use that lineout that was doing damage.
Some forget we have never finished 2nd before, let alone trying to win it. Have we improved enough in the last 5 years? Performances often say yes but ultimately results say no and that's painful to say as Gregor was my favourite player growing up :-(
Goodie may as well just have laughed all the way through the podcast 🤣 🤣 🤣
We’re getting mullered on Saturday. I don’t actually think I want to watch it. We’ve embarrassed ourselves this year.
Scotland rely on TWO players, and in my eyes one of them is not a team player.
It’s a poor reflection on the professionalism of the Scotland team when they can beat England but do not apply the same attitude to teams like Italy. A good team but ultimately don’t have a robust winning mindset.
Angus Gardner made a huge mistake with the deliberate knock on he got wrong at a crucial time
Stop crying. Gardner did a mistake too giving the first scottish try that was knock on, so?
Let’s be honest, we have the best group of the pro-era and have gone sideways. 2 failures at the World Cup, no higher than 3rd in the 6 Nations. Why isn’t Jim questioning Townsends position? Sorry, but I can’t believe a Gatland or a Schmidt wouldn’t have achieved more. Townsend needs to go if we are to have any chance of winning anything with this group.
And as for Goode, celebrating another teams victory is tragic. Scotland own England, 4 in a row, 1 win in 7. Celebrating Scotland losing when England can’t beat them - that’s what Scotland used to do (other way round) when Jim was playing - absolutely tin pot. 😂
I'll be the first to criticise Goode and his fairweather approach to supporting England... but we all know Scotland have beaten England a bunch in the last few years. This is indicative of the Scottish rugby mindset, though. With the imports you've got the best team you've had in my lifetime and have never won a tournament. England have only just started clawing their way out of the post-EJ era and STILL manage to defy expectations in the WC and the 6N.
Yeah I do agree with your point re Andy Goode, but it is kinda funny from our perspective. Yes the losses we’ve had against Scotland have been frustrating, and certainly shouldn’t have happened this consistently.
However, we hear a lot about how this is a golden era for Scottish rugby, but you have to ask “well, is it though?”. Haven’t beaten Ireland in 10 games, not beaten SA since 2010, and still never beaten NZ.
You do have some wonderful players and you absolutely have our number, but it’s an England side who have not been in their best shape and kinda seems to be the only barometer of Scotlands recent success from what I can tell
The issue is Finn Russell. Simple
He’s their best player 😂
@@WillRobbins-tk9id The problem is he's either their best or their worst...
Nonsense
The falling away in the second half ain’t anything to do with captaincy. Team started standing around like idiots and the other team run riot.
Scotland listens too much to their own hype, they have been talked as a good side for a few years, but they have actually done nothing, its not just leadership on the pitch, its leadership from the management team. They have been missing in the second half of games consistently, Townsend needs to take full responsibility for this, yea Russell is a good player but when you have to let him play his way then leadership is wrong.
Agreed that we’ll wear a hat haha!
Scotland have always been prone to vary between excellent and dreadful. That this characteristic has been passed on to their Jock-Boks is interesting. D.VDM looked really ordinary against Italy. Schoeman and Jones performed reasonably well in attack - but not in defence. I sense they suffer from some form of arrogance. Too much hype in the media? Not dissimilar to the Sassenach hype problem. If England can perform well also against France, then maybe the hype will explode beyond all bounds. Even Ireland suffer from media hype and being the favourites - clearly. Scotland are perhaps the worst for this over-hyping tendency, however.
Coaches, very good coaches, know how to create leaders, Cotter did it. Schmidt, Farrell, Gatland, etc. - all the top coaches identify potential leaders and make them leaders. These days, if you have a coach who is tactically focused but not a maker of men, you will not prevail in international rugby. Missed opportunity for Scotland over the past 7 years. Thank you Mr Dodson for screwing up Scottish rugby for the last decade and probably for the next to come.
Why does Townsend keep changing the captains and vice captains? Hamish Watson has leadership and muscle and yet Townsend does not play him? Time for a new coach and a new captain this team has great potential but needs to get really fit, Russell is looking very fat and tired too much partying for sure. Scotland and the SRU need a new strategy nothing is coming through from the U20 or the U18. Townsend needs to be fired!!!
Scotland need one captain, and he should be a forward. That's where games are won and lost.
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Same old Scotland. Never won 3 games in a row in the six nations 😮
nothing wrong with scotland italy have arrived? they can last the full 80 minutes now ? last year it was just capuozzo who stood out ? Now you have menoncello brex lynagh and the under 20s thrashed scotland bby 30 points? they need more options at the line- out ? watchout for sccalabrin next year? Scotland i always think how have they not won anything yet? it must be mental ?
Scalabrin, Gallorini, Gritti and Casilio (the scrum-half). All future stars for Italy. Best U20 we've ever had. I'm really starting to think we got a shot at the title in 2027 or 2029 when our youngsters will have more caps and experience.
@@epsilonbeta4877 if they can endup the fittest squad cut down on the many turnover balls at the breakdown and have a better line out options? i can see thhem placing 3rd next year? wales this saturday away? is a huge game in terms of progress ????
Italy in the past lack in competitiveness due bench deepness and physicality. Now they have a new physicality coach and are full of talents in the bench no one is mentioning Spagnolo, but he's an hell of a player. Entered vs England he destroyed someone called Cole in scrum, then Aldeguerie in Scrum and vs Scotland the Scottish stronger scrummager that i don't recall the name now (sorry for that).
The Scottish are still stuck in the amateur era, when the game went pro they never moved with it. Its a well known fact that the Scottish players go on regular benders during the six nations, this isnt acceptable at club level let alone test level. Is it any wonder they switch off during games.
They talk about the "golden" generation lol. Townsend is a terrible coach, 7 years in the job and his best result is 3rd.
The Scottish are mentally brittle and always fold under the slightest pressure. They've a very slim chance of winning the competition for the first time in their history and they wont even put up a fight.
Scotland 💯 need to ditch anyone who wants to go on a bender instead of staying healthy, resting and trying to win every game. The problem is Finn is that person leading everyone towards that. There are also some key moments that have cost Scotland dearly this 6N - the difference between winning and losing the whole thing - and guess who the leaders are who go missing…
@@ABC-dw7pe What I don't get is why the Scottish supporters put up with this shit year in year out. Townsend well out of his depth at test level but the Scottish think he's the best thing since canned haggis.
Every year it's the same crap "this is the best Scottish side ever" "the golden generation" etc .....
The Scottish just happy to take part and drink a few beers I guess ......
7 years of winning nothing under Townsen "but he's building" 🤔😔
@@heyhey5712 you don’t know what the Scottish think at all. Lots of fans want someone new but we are stuck with him because the SRU keep giving him a lucrative contract to stay. He has taken the team out the dark ages a fair bit and we now have the talent to compete and it’s not a building job anymore that was 6/7 years ago. Throwing away games cause we are losing concentration and boozing between matches mid tournament is unacceptable and only the boss is at fault. He has to go for sure. And only players that want to be professional should stay.
@@ABC-dw7pe And what I don't get is the Scottish talking about Ireland at the WC . Did ye forget Ireland pummeled ye at the last two.
The Scottish blame everyone else for their failings. And the future isn't looking too bright for the next generation as the under 20s get hammered every game they play. Townsend doesn't seem too bothered about the young Scottish players or the youth system as he goes shopping for players over seas.
@@heyhey5712 I think it’s just it’s the Irish arrogance and delusion to claim to have the best team in the world but then to never make it past a quarter final at the WC… even when most of world rugbys referees are in yer back pocket and give ireland all the decisions/let yous cheat.
You don't watch Scotland U20's to see who is their future stars, you watch South African age group rugby for that 😁😉
Everyone expects and looks for a reason for wins and losses when it’s often about how the opposition play. Scotland have consistently beaten England because they’re comfortable against money ball rugby. But against teams who play wide and pull their defence out of the narrow channels they prefer they don’t have the stamina to play 80 minutes… Happy to be proved wrong.
Tbh England were just poor in Murrayfield. England beat themselves with all the handling errors that they put to bed against Ireland.
A total of 142 matches have been played, with England having won 76 times, Scotland 47 times and nineteen matches have been drawn.
@@dulls8475 - Fair. Perhaps I should have said Scotland have consistently beaten England “in recent years” - I watched years when England were more or less guaranteed a win. The money all game is a relatively recent trend which Scotland (having their own stats), have developed a game to contest.
I think the Scottish team is too dominated by one player, Finn Russell, who is more about his own performance than the team. You can see in his post match interviews he isn’t hurt by the losses like other captains are when their teams lose. France has been the same much too focus on DuP and look at them now he’s not in the mix. Successful teams are not like this they don’t centre everything around one key star player
Emotionally spent after beating England.
I've watched the Scotland England game twice now. Scotland created very little, and their tries came from poor play by England rather than creativity by Scotland.
Jim is right we need a Captain and we basically haven't found one. BUT
I choose Andy Christie
He is passionate about the game and he's used to doing well as a Saracen. Andy has higher standards and basically we need to pull the Scottish team up by the bootstraps.
Still a golden opportunity on Saturday to Redeem ourselves.
I'm a Tiger.
Shall i tell you what the problem is....Finn Russels the problem, he CANNOT boss a game at International level and makes far too many mistakes
And Goodey let's see how england goes in France 😉😂😂.
I see you have a little chip. All countries, even yours has a capital letter.
Lets face it. They have had a good year if they beat England.
It’s such a shame, a goo Scotland side would be so great
Scotland need to be braver...if Finn is messy instead of Messi...pull him off...He was terrible.
Time for Toony to go. He’s done well, took us as far as can, but time to move on
Do a bit of offering don't u Jim
At no point have we looked like a 6N championship winning team! Lucky to scrape the win v the most inexperienced Welsh team in my lifetime (I'm 60)
Only beat England 'cause they couldn't capitalise on our mistakes! Lost to a very poor French team!
And never really deserved to beat Italy.......'cause they were better/stronger in crucial areas of the lineup!
No way we beat the Irish in Dublin, on Paddy's weekend.........if we score a couple of tries, and don't get a 40point Humpin we'll be lucky
PS. The captain nonsense is just a distraction........
Townsend needs to go,he is not progressing above the level they are at the moment
I'm not sure where these Scotland fans have got so much entitlement from? Losing to Italy is hardly a disaster nor a shock if you look at all the circumstances. Rugby in Italy is gaining popularity fast, unlike in Scotland. Both countries have 2 high level professional clubs, but Italy have a slew of lower level professional clubs domestically, which Scotland don't. Also, the Scotland U20 teams have been pretty dire for a while. They haven't beaten the Italy U20s in about 7 or 8 years I think. This win has been coming for a while. Italy have more professional players than Scotland, and far more talented youngsters. The only thing keeping this Scotland side as one of the world's best is their foreign born players. If they were to field a team made up of ex-Scotland U20s, they'd be extremely shite. Scotland are heading towards the 6th 'largest' country in the 6 Nations in terms of infrastructure and player participation. They should enjoy this golden generation whilst it lasts and remember that being this good is the exception to the rule for Scotland, rather than the expected norm
Scotland’s sports psychologist needs fired . Weak mindset. Complete mental breakdowns , Consistently. Leadership is woeful and the discipline can be abysmal.
Did Jim just say that 33 caps Lamar’s has better leadership than 78 cap Russell
Think it’s just that he’s been captain for longer
Sco are in the same place as WC 2019 (vs Jpn) and they've the same coach. They r just terrible.
Big Jim saying the messi of Rugby isn't up to the job !? 😵
Describing Finn Russell as the Messi of rugby is an absurd comparison by any measure....
Scotland needs 2 more South Africana to get them over the line🤣🤣.
So england are now elite and scotland are hopeless 😂 what a joke
No, England are just overperforming whilst rebuilding and Scotland are underperforming with their band of mercenaries.
Hurty feelings?
@@joeboonmusic4004 mercenaries? English people never fail to amaze me. Your nation have attempted to colonize the world and as a result you have been left with huge diversity in your country. All your best athletes are about as english is I am chinese. So where do you draw the line, your players may not be first generation but it has to start somewhere.
The effin referees.
seriously can somebody - anybody tell us why scotland youth teams are so garbage, like there is nothing there. why has this happened , why has the SRU igbnored this and why are the ex players , coaching staff and joe public aint up in arms and screaming at the SRU leaders to invest, get academies going , pay for the right coaching set ups ?????
Try being a Scotland team instead of a team of wannabee English public school house-jocks. Ditch Ruth Davidson and anyone associated with her appointment and run it as a Scotland team proud to be playing for Scotland.
ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.... can we actually address it!?
Scotland are not perfect.
But the officials have been beyond shocking. I know it's rugby and blah blah blah, but there's too far, and there is too far.
Scotland were cruising against Wales. We wanted a bonus try. We did not switch off something else happened. As soon as we scored the 3rd, Ben O'Keefe pings Scotland after Wales come in at the side and dump Turner in to the ruck. From that penalty/maul, he then yellow cards Turner when the maul is scored (never seen it). As soon as Turner comes on, he yellow cards Tuipulotu for 2 offsides that either I can't see or are the most trivial I've seen. He then gives Wales a try during that when they engage ahead of the last man from a maul. After 17 penalties in a row, Scotland are on Wales try line, Wales infringe minimum 3 times, and no advantage is played, game over. That's what happened.
Against France, Berry (already has previous) doesn't give a penalty try from a knock on and offside clearance, then from the kicking match, Scotland should get a scrum on the 22 from a knock on, clear as day, everyone stops, not Nic Berry, play on, 2 mins later France score a try where they hold multiple players in the lead up. Then Scotland scored a try and Nic Berry, NOT the TMO, calls it held up when he can see it clearly. He also ignore 6 offsides in that sequence, 2 of which tackled directly, so again, at a minimum, should come back to try again. (Again, just like Wales)
England, bonus point try wanted, Carley starts the game and Itoje is offside at the first ruck and gets England a penalty, England lineout carries on until England knock on, scrum to Scotland. England turn in on scrum, and Scotland are asked to take again, England release break foot early, England handed the scrum. From the scrum Slade barges and obstructs Tuipolotu (like Schoemann Vs Italy) but England get the try. Literally from the kick off, Carley influenced it to the point of a try. Scotland played in to a headwind of 7 more incorrect decisions. No bonus point. (also Underhill shoulder barged Turner off the ball and should have saw yellow, Carley refused to look at it)
Italy, much more even refereeing, if petty in the second half. Italy were doing well enough without some penalties going against Scotland that you wouldn't normally see. This culminates in Gardner giving offside against Skinner (who did move towards the ball), but then AFTER VDM plays him onside, Gardner warned Skinner, then not even 1 second later said he didn't stop. Then it's the really strange bit, Italy have clean ball, but he stops play immediately so that they take the kick at goal?! After that he ignores the deliberate knock on, running down the clock before going back and not even giving a yellow, never mind a penalty try. Scotland no time to get a try and a penalty. You will say the game should be tied up, but I point you back to the weird offside, and the penalty try as two decisions that theoretically would have put Scotland 29-28 up. We lost 4 minutes from Gardner not taking immediate action, and Finn did chase him for it. The key thing in this game was after the Scotland try was ruled out at the start of the second half, the Scotland players are mentally goosed from things going against them the first three games. No team is immune to that.
If Scotland gets fair decisions, they are on 14 points minimum by now, but if you say they beat Italy, then it's 18.
That's what is up with the Scotland team, and they go to face Ireland knowing they'll get more of the same.
For gods sake shut up with this refree chit chats. Italy was robbed by refree even more than Scotland (Mitchell try was in double kovement and they was robbed in France). According to what you're saying Italy lack 2 victories, conceding one to Scotland (that yep was robbed in France too).
But games goes in that way with refreeying and everything compensate at the end. Scotland at the end did 29 consecutive phases without finding a gap or an hole in a superb italian defence, tough and disciplined. That's the truth of the game.
😂😂 hilarious. I'm aussie mate .stop excuses. Irish will batter ye.😂😂😂
@@solinvictus1234 you're right, Italy were robbed, and deserve more respect. I'll add that one of our tries against Italy came from a 50/22 that shouldn't have been (we threw it back from just over half way).
The volume of decisions is through the roof. It's not nip and tuck. 31 decisions that didn't go Scotland's way in the first three games vs 3 for the sides they played. Italy game was far more balanced, so no big gripes there.
If you know your rugby, momentum is just about the most important thing. If you get 28 net decisions against you in 3 games that is devastating. Getting 10 pens against you in a game is devastating even to start.
@@michaelmoynihan9591 I don't care any more. I can't go anyone criticising players and coaches and officials get a pass when people could lose their jobs for their "mistakes". Mistakes they would never make if it were England or Ireland playing. Can you imagine what would have happened if that try against France went against England. They'd need to change the rules that the ball can't be held up any more, the same way they changed offside rules after Italy played a totally legal tactic against them.
Its the internet not the Gettysburg address.
Regarding the loss to France, Scotland got robbed by an official decision that brought the game into Disrepute!