Noise Spider (kick pad sound isolator)
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- Опубліковано 30 лис 2014
- Learn how to build a low budget and compact kick drum noise isolator for e-drums.
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The impact noise of e-drum kick drums can be a big problem for neighbours and flatmates. No matter how quiet the e-drum kit is, the kick drum will transfer noises to the bottom. These noises are audible in other rooms and mostly underneath the flat. We showed you already how to build a noise-isolating platform, but this solution might not fit everybody’s needs. This video should give you an idea on building a compact version of a drum podest, similar to the Roland Noise Eaters. Take a piece of plywood and create a pattern for the kick pad, its stands and the pedal. Do the same with Hi hat stand and slave pedal.
Cut it out with a jigsaw, also cut out a wood bar to connect the 2 plates.
The edges should be treated with sandpaper.
Place the pad on top of it and mark the position for the little plastic cups that will hold the feet of the pad in place. You can also use the cap of a water can if you don’t have those cups. Drill holes in the middle of them and attached some felt pad underneath them, to damp the impact. Screw them on and attach another piece of felt inside.
You’ll need to cut tennis balls with a rubber core in half’s like in the previous video. Again, be really careful and don’t hurt yourself.
The balls will be attached to each corner underneath the board. Use some flat washers to screw them on. The tennis balls will absorb the impact and damp the hit.
During the project we figured out that we have to separate the slave pedal board from the hi hat board, otherwise the hi hat would be shake too much. The plan was to place the hi hat on top of tennis balls too. But this is actually not necessary, we only need to increase the level of its board.
Only the slave-pedal-board and the kick pad board needs tennis balls.
Screw the wood bar onto the slave pedal board. Place the double pedal and kick pad in the right position and mark the spot where you want to connect them. Now screw them together. This s of course only required if you want to use a double pedal.
The bards are still flexible connected.
Mark the position of the boards place with sticky tape. We used these cups to increase the HI hat board height and applied them by screws. They fit in each other like Legos. The trick to attach them to the board on the exact spot is using double with double-faced adhesive tape.
You can use anything to increase the hihat level, as long as you find a way to attach it to the hi hat board. This is only one of many ways.
Our board got 4 feet. We painted everything black, except on the top where the pedal is. Apply some carpet rests to those parts. Just turn the board and carpet upside down, use a black marker to mark the required form. Cut it out and glue them with a hot glue gun on top of the boards.
We only had some small rest pieces left for the HI hat board, but they are still good enough to fit on the contact points of the stand.
Now you can place the board underneath your drum kit. Make sure the gap between slave pedal board and HI hat board is big enough. They shouldn’t touch each other, even if you freak out while playing.
Place all gear on top of the construction. We increased the height around 5 cm; this means everything else has to be 5 cm higher as well. The Stool, snare, crash cymbals, toms and ride.
Let’s do a test. It doesn’t feel different while playing. The kick pad is off course moving a bit, but it’s not disturbing or anything. The actual noise level is the same, but the impact noise changed. We downloaded a seismometer app to show you the difference of the impact with and without noise spider. This app measures the shocks. We placed the smartphone next to the pedal on a wood floor. Let’s check how high the level is. Now we’re doing the same with the noise reducer applied. A degreased impact level is the result. The pedal got hit with the same power. - Наука та технологія
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I could with these videos for hours...you're a genius!!
Thanks for posting these great tips!
In a platform with balls, it is necessary to put a soft material under the carpet, sound insulation for cars or foamed polyethylene is suitable. This greatly reduces noise, even on an old wooden floor.
this is perfect! I had seen all the vids for a full on drum riser, but my room is tiny, I cant be having the stool sitting in its normal playing position and the bulkiness of the stand.. I saw the roland noise eaters and was like, okay well easy I'll just combine both ideas to make my own, couldnt believe no one else had done this, but there you go, thank you! old video, but still helpful
This is old i know but have you done this? and if so how was the result? i want to do the same as the kick pedal is the only thing making a crazy amount of noise as i have an electronic kit but like you said a whole platform doesnt seem that necessary, only the kick bass.
Great video, thank you very much from Mexico.
+jlmorenoc2000 Thanks for watching:)
Thank you so much for the idea!
That's awesome Melania!
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Surprised not been made by a drum co great idea🎵🎵🎶🎶👍
your chanel are great.Hugh thanks to your dedication!!
Thank you!
That's really smart. Thank you.
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Thank You for taking the time out to do such a informative instructional video.
This looks like the most affordable of them all.
I would like to add that your idea can be used also for the legs of the drum rack.
one cut tennis ball a round piece of wood a little bit bigger in diameter than the drum rack foot and a plastic type cup that the drum rack foot can sit in.
Thanks again. I will be using your great idea.
+williamjver I had the idea with the drum rack too. The problem is however, one ball per leg is to weak. You would need 3 at least, or more depending on the weight of the rack gear.
+Vdrum Tips I see your point about the weight of the drum rack.
Three or four tennis balls per leg on a round piece of plywood to accommodate the tennis balls with a plastic cup for drum rack foot to keep the foot from wandering.
Yes, that is what I have in mind. But it could work with one if you really only have a light basic rack like the TD-11.
+Vdrum Tips You are an asset to the Drumming Community.
Thanks again for a great Video.
Thank you very much! Glad you like them!
very nice! man
do you have a list of the materials used great idea
This is great!
Thank you so much for sharing this info! This will be super useful.
My only concern is that, as you said, the pedals do move a bit. I'm wondering how that will affect double bass playing at higher speeds. Also how it will affect heel/toe playing.
Would it be better to make a rectangle piece to cover the whole surface area of the pedal and kick drum? That way you could have half a tennis ball on each corner and maybe one in the middle to give it a bit more stability?
I think you can ad more tennis balls to make it more stable. But this will increase the noise. I think even the Roland Noise Eaters are moving. I don't know what to to when playing hihg speed...I am not able to:D
Hello, great video. In practical terms, how the noise/vibration is heard in the floor below? Do your neighbor complains after the noise spider installed? Thank you!
it depends on the neighbours. This device is not as good as the Roland products and also not perfect. It reduces the noise, but does not eliminate it.
I will soon build a better device.
Well done!
Thanks:)
THANK YOU a lot !!!!!!!
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good lord!!! good idea..
where do you buy those cups? for holding the pedal in place
Nice!
Great idea!!!! I want to do the same but I would like to measure the results. Could you please tell me what app did you use for this action?
Thanks :)
Hi Barrio,
sorry, but this was ages ago. I should have written the app name into the text. I totally forgot. You may download a few of them and have a look which one is looking similar to the one I used.
There's an app called ''Vibration Meter'' that works really well if you want to test how much vibrations from your drums that go into the floor. Use the app to messure with and without a tennisball raiser of other kind of vibration dampening platform, you can also place your phone with the app next to you keyboard on your computer desk and record how much vibrations that comes from just typing on a keyboard so you have somekind of reference when testing the vibrations from your drums.
Could I apply this same concept to a KT-10, only connecting the tennis ball halves directly to the front spikes on the pedal?
Yes
Best thanks ;-)
that was fucking awesome man ! thanks
Can you build this for me and I pay you?
is it possible to leave the board away and attach the tennis balls directly to the bassdrumpad, bassdrumpedal and hihat stand ?
That would be more effort and less steady.
Hi. Sorry this might be a dumb question, but would this work for an acoustic drum set? Would anything be different?
Yes, it would work too.
This is AWESOME
See, we made the sound board, but do you lot think we need to make the pedal boards too, or will the main board be enough?x
+TheMissKittyStar Only if your kit does still cause too much noise.
Which one is better? The spider or the drum riser?
In my case the spider.
Seems overly complicated vs. the Roland stuff. Why not just mimic their design and go with a couple rectangles and something to mimic an NE-1 on each of the legs?
thought of that, too. A practice setup doesn't have to look that great. I think I'll just use a board with those tennis ball halfs
can you make a video on single pedal vs double pedal
In general? Not sure why this would be a topic. There is not much to say about that. It just depends on the music you want to play. Or do you mean a 2 kick drum setup with 2 single pedals vs a double pedal?
To those 33 who dislikes i can't imagine how idiots are they. Not appreciate this very easy tip!
noice
Pretty cool
For all the time and money invested, wouldn't use of Roland NE-10 and NE-1 be just as economical?
Hi, What app is that measuring impact noise?
+Pablo Godi It is called: Seismometer App
+Vdrum Tips Danke!
Use tennis balls for the HH too. When you strike it with your sticks the vibrations still carry
Your saying like on the cymbal?
How thick is the plywood?
Cooking Hungry In this case 19mm. But I don't think it has to be that thick.
does it affect your playing because the pedals are raised and not flush on floor? Your sitting position?
Ni, since I adjust the height of all pads and the stool.
Could you use sylomer ?
Yes
What if u play a lot of foot hi hat notes? Will the hat stand make noise with no tennis balls
+Larry Tate not really...the VH-11 dampens the noise. There is no isolation needed on the hi hat stand in my opinion. Roland advertises it mostly because of the difference in height level.
this very good idea..but im afraid the stand fell from stick because drummer not remember anything during kick..and it might ruin everything..
+Amin Bakri The stand is actually really steady.
What's the app called?
No idea, I filmed that a while ago. Search for saismometer, any app will do:)
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Yeah, pretty great except it's pretty dumb, too. Your hi hats and all the things will now be higher than they normally are. That the pedals are now technically off the ground may also cause a bunch of unanticipated annoyance and change of feel. Probably best to get everything on the same sound dampening playing field...
"Even if you fweak out while playing"....
They shouldn't touch each udder
@@topramen1694 add a falt pad udder neef.
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Hi, in this video ---------> ua-cam.com/video/Upww1-I4sD4/v-deo.html
You explain how to make a full "drum mat". Is this like an add on for that one?
Or just with the drum riser should be enough. Because im not sure if you are presenting two posibilities, or if you ended up needing to do both things in order to properly isolate. (Since youve made this video after the other)
Francisco José Olivero Hi, this is basically an alternative solution. In case you need something more compact. I used both , the board and this thing together. But they work on its own too.
Build one for meeeeee
I'm so jealous I want a v-drum so bad
But this video is very helpful
Get a second hand one in case money is an issue:)
+Vdrum Tips I can't find any
Go on Ebay.
Instead of using tennis balls, use Slyo Pucks instead. Tennis balls cause way too much movement.
UMMMMMM.....all that work.....and the noise really isn't reduced that much. LOL
With kick drums it's more about the vibration. Unless you have paper thin walls most e-kits don't disturb the neighbours. The the vibration of the stomping that travels.
is that so? I would say the noise of the kick drum goes mainly through the air. I've build a pretty decent platform, but cant really say it made an essential impact on noise reduction.@@hammondsphoto
And for those who are not McGiver ?😅
No works in japan...
I cant smell it
Geez, this is getting pretty crazy with the noise isolation bs ... If you can't make noise in your own apt or home of an e-kit (which is pretty quiet) Move! ...
...one question... Why would you play an e-kit at all? If you can't play real drums... Move! (into the forest or something)
They are REAL DRUMs, REAL DRUM SOUNDS, created in the studio, of the finest drums in the world, to use on Roland and Yamaha equipment, I guarantee you, they sound better than any sounds you can make on an acoustic kit, you don't need any tape or mufflers or moon gel, kit ports, eq, nothing, you don't have to spend days in the studio or even playing out and setting up in certain places, trying to find the best sound to record in what part of the room, just plug 'em in! You're not just triggering sounds anymore , this equipment is highly playable, with positional and velocity sensitivity, plus they're easier to play than acoustic drums and you can make a hybrid kit out of your acoustic kit and beef up your sound while still giving concert goers a show with your acoustic equipment, they're all switching to this, Hard Rock, Metal, Jazz, Fusion, try it! You'll like it! thousands of kits and sounds to choose from, snares, kicks, even cymbals, at the touch of a button ... The best drum sounds! Rolandus.com
E-Drums are fine for practice but E-Drums has still a lot of problems and probably won't be able to beat acoustic drums ever. Feeling and Sound is both worse but still fine. For example that E-Drums always sound the same when you hit it unless like you want to pay 8000$+. I for example don't want that my e-drum always sounds the same or always sounds perfect. Sometimes I think it sucks that E-Drums always sound perfect no matter how you hit them except of volume.
LMAO!! Yeah, because people picking up an moving their whole damn house is easier than just creating some noise isolation.
Philip Daniels lol edrums are garbage in comparison to real. I'm sure cheap easy pop music made by teenagers could easily be played on a edrums kit tho. Hell skip the useless edrums and download a free beat making software. You can churn out edrums trash sound at the rate of 1 new song every 2 minutes and it'll be more complex than a live edrums player could ever make it if you barely try. Rappers that are talented make beats a edrummer wishes they could play live but physically can't without backing tracks