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I learned GUARD POINT and I'm disappointed | MH4U Journal 20
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- Опубліковано 27 бер 2024
- Welcome to my 6th Monster Hunter journey where I attempt to take on EVERY form of Fatalis in Monster Hunter 4U on the 3DS. These are my journals.
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I'm really glad that 4U lived up to the expectations that we set up for it. It's really a special entry into the series for a lot of us. Thanks for letting us help along the way!
6:46 Ending MH4U with a failed quest due to a Jay cart.
PERFECT
Important to note that using Guard Points is that it increases your guard level beyond your invested skill points. Important for some late game fights if you're invested enough.
The GU Guard Points work completely differently from all the other games. So you'll have to re-learn your re-learning...
If you return to World though, you should be right at home with its Charge Blade
What's wrong with Chacha and Kayamba? You used to call them your children 😅
Learning guard points in GU is probably easier, given that you don't have many of the out of guard options you have in any other game.
@@jamesproctor4568 And there is an indicator. Also, Gens was the game made GP easier by allowing you to block before doing a guard point, making it safer.
Yea, 4U guard points have to be precise on the morph input.
Hey Jay, I posted this guard point tip in your previous video but I'll post it again here just in case you missed it:
All you have to do is press X + R right before a monster attacks. The trick is to *press X a bit earlier than R* in order to get the animation where the hunter puts the shield in front of himself during the axe morph. If you're able to do that, you should be able to guard point consistently.
The biggest benefit of guard points is that they basically give your guarding capabilities less knockback, which then enables you to counteract with an AED/SAED (X + A) right after. You can do this with just a normal guard but guard pointing gives you more assurance that you'll have less knockback and can counterattack right after.
*It's more ideal to learn guard pointing here than in GU since guard pointing in that game doesn't function the same way as all the other games*
Sadly, GU is the worst charge blade in the series, second only to base Rise, which was a mess of terrible hitboxes and bad phial values.
Guard Points are most satisfying for the stun damage - getting a KO from a guard point will never not feel awesome
This game was a one time experience, good to see you've enjoyed what it had to offer while it lasted
Ngl brother, I have gotten to end game G rank in like 7 different files. I feel like this game is utterly timeless and until mid G rank, all content is worth engaging with
Basically Skill Issue
True.
Guard points are valuable because they let you get into The AED( the smaller phial attack) or into the SAED. Its extremely strong but it also requires you to have guard +2 for a lot of fights. And another thing of note, guard points in 4u are kind of weird. the morph guard point from sns to axe only works when you press guard and morph at the same time. Holding guard then morphing doesn't have a guard point window which makes things very hard and this is only a 4u cb quirk, every game after this works the way you think it should.
I remember trying to get into CB in 4u a few years back but was confused about this, this actually clarifies a whole lot for me haha well its better late than never I guess
For me, I've never observed an increase in "guard level" on a guard point compared to just a normal guard. If I'm running Guard+2 with a shield charge then there's almost nothing I can't already block (with no chip damage) and counter, making it a moot point.
I didn't know it was only a quirk in 4U, I did it with GU and I'm still doing it in mhw
Oh shoot I didn't know 4U didn't allow this!
I can't wait for GU! Seeing you learn styles and weapon arts is going to be fun.
I honestly feel the same way that Jay does about monster Hunter 4 ultimate
It's just such a good an iconic game has that charmed that surpasses some of the other monster hunters
I hope you check out Sword & Shield in GU, as that is the best version of the weapon we've got so far, especially with the Oils that it gets.
guardin with red shield does phial damage back and counts as a sword attack meaning it charges your phials on top of that you can go right into aed or saed.
if you guardpoint a head with impact phials it does stun damage as an example. and its a better guard than normal.
keeps your weapon out counterattack.
I can’t wait for you to play GU and actually finally meet the fourth member of the Fated Four after so long
Was a pleasure being able to watch and play. I'm looking forward to the eventual MHGU content.
It's been one hell of a ride! Glad I was able to be a part of it and help when I could.
I'll see everyone at doomsday
I understand your point in "guard points" being hard to learn after you've played without em so long (pun intended)
Besides, you should start to integrate them slowly, and not immediately in your gameplay.
For example, the most used and practical one, is when you're morphing from sword and shield to axe mode, because it is an instant guard point, the moment you press the button.
That one is easier to get, and to use, because it's almost as if you're trying to guard at last second.
Besides, guard points are much more worth to use in 5th gen, expecially world/Ib because of how consistent they are, and how consistent SAED is in that game.
I still hope that you'll give Prowler a good chance in GU, be sure to look up some tutorial videos to fully understand them. When you unlock stuff and get the right skills and moves for them they can put up quite a fight.
So are we not keeping the 15th weapon a secret then?
@@Stratelier He already knows about Prowler.
Can't wait till HeyJay plays hunting horn in GU and doesn't recital until G-rank
As a HH main I would be VERY impressed if someone managed that
@@GooeySlime Yeah I use HH a lot and mainly said it as a joke and a way for Jay to consider HH for GU
MONSTER HUNTER FOR YOU
It really does feel like a "for you" at times.
I'm excited to see your MHGU experience! Learning the styles are gonna be interesting. Perhaps it's time for a ranged weapon?
Glad you enjoyed 4U, the GPs are actually pretty handy in end game 4u and in other games in that it helps you be more aggressive (since you can counter with a discharge).
That said, I hope you try adept style longsword against Glavenus in GU, one of the best fight to experience for me.
Capcom is bringing stories to switch. Here's to hoping they'll port other old games too.
I would give anything to get 4U ported to console/PC I want to experience that wonderful game on the big screen
In GU, every weapon is fun…
So muh variation, it's hard to choose a main…
I played jack of all trades.
What a wonderful pledge! Glad to see you at the end of it coming out stronger. The hunting, was in fact, happy.
I would love a 4U remake or remaster, but only capcom knows if that will ever exist.
glad you enjoyed 4u, still my favourite monster hunter game of them all, sadly I don't think I have the ability to deal with the loading times and flexing after potions anymore, but so glad you learnt the charge blade as well, hope you get guard point practice next game
I'm glad 4U gave you such a great time! Still hoping the 4U remaster comes sooner rather than later, cuz we NEED more hunters to experience this game lol
yeah. like I mentioned in an earlier video. learning to properly integrate gp into your normal playstyle feel kinda like learning a new weapon. where you'd normally reposition you have to stand face first against the attack, it also incentivises getting your red shield as fast as possible for the extra guard and extra damage that a guard point does. It's also something you'd wanna learn during late low rank and early to mid high rank. after that it can be pretty punishing to fail a guard point(and you will be failing them quite oftern)
Heck I made a new character just to learn guard points and it took me a few dozen hours till it became muscle memory. So you are kinda right when you said you want to try learn it when you play a different game. problem is that the game you want to learn it cannot be mhgu. it has arguably the most unfun and clunky flow of any charge blade iteration in the history of monster hunter. it's guard points don't even work how it works in other games.
for the ending song alone i woudl love to give you 500+ likes on the video
Great Review Jay. You should've mentioned it in the title that this video is also your review of the game.
I'm so luck to have learned guardpoints early on when I play MHW when it first came out, I haven't played since iceborne dropped and I played with friends last weekend and its still comes instinctively
Guard Point is an advanced technique for advanced players, and is not necessary to learn in order to progress in the game. I think I heard it mentioned that the guard point ability wasn't included in the original version of Monster Hunter 4, but was later added in 4 Ultimate.
The shied charge + SAED was definitely added for MH4U, and wasn't part of base MH4.
You are missing the point that you can AED or SAED right out of guard point. It's really massive boon. I want you to go luck up Akantorex's speedruns in 4U and give it a genuine try.
But you can already do the same after any normal guard (excessive recoil aside), which is obviously much safer....
@@Stratelier yeah but guard pointing also gives extra guard and damages the monster. sometimes that extra guard from the guard point can be the difference between having too much recoil to counter and being able to counter because of the reduced recoil.
You could pledge to do multiple weapons in GU.
I'd say 3-4 or so
1 light: S&S or DS
1 Heavy: Hammer, GS
1 "special": CB, Glaive, SA
1 ranged: Bow, HBG, LBG
That's usually how I play (though I add second ranged and "special" weapon on top, along with Lance).
And whatever you do make sure to add the Palico as a secondary option (since it's the only game you can play with it thusfar).
You can do "The Master's Test" Jay. I believe in you.
Look mom i was avenging Guildmarn with Jay!
*gets head patted*
Don't worry to much Jay, GP timing in 4U is tight to pull off, one recomendation is to press X first to do a sword slash and then R + X to do the right GP and then X + A to AED, try first to learn this just vs Tigrex or Diablos when they are turning around, with Rajang is harder to get the timing. Good Luck Hunter!!!
4U was amazing for me. Insect Glaive was so much fun! I even got some new favorites in White Fatalis, Dalamadur, Monoblos, Ruby Basarios, Tidal Najarala, and Gogmazios! Seriously hoping Capcom remakes, ports, or remasters this game for modern consoles. There are so many monsters and variants exclusive to this game! Might do some more sessions of 4U to get Gold Crown and a Hammer set as that was my weapon of choice in GU.
Hoping your GU pledge is every Deviant! I love a lot of them, including Boltreaver Astalos and Bloodbath Diablos.
I'm really going to miss this game... I'm currently doing my best to enjoy it daily before the servers shut down. It's going to be the first MH game that I've played multiplayer and the servers shut down as I play, all other games, including my favorite (3U) I've played after the servers were already gone, this is gonna hit hard...
One tipp for GU, do villager requests. A lot of good stuff is unlocked by doing them like the R/XR series for armor sets.
Just found your channel through the whole “4U servers going down” thing, glad to see you got to do everything you wanted ^-^
-I just got into the series through world, so sadly I’m gonna have to wait for someone to reverse engineer the servers to make privs. Is what it is, I’m nowhere close to finishing everything in world and I have GU and the revived 3U to play.
But, about guard points-
They’re not the core of charge blade, so don’t worry if you don’t implement them for a long time. I’m over 200 hours into world and just now have gotten decent at using guard points.
They’re just supplimentary, so don’t stress if your playstyle doesn’t revolve around it.
You can think of it as two things: a situational counter or just a way to play VERY aggressively and still safely.
-or as a way to get free guard perk. I think. I don’t know how it works in 4U very well but I know in world it grants an additional 2 ranks of guard, and I remember hearing it does something in 4U.
Maybe you’ve already heard this all before though. I know you learned charge blade this game, and given the time investment you are probably on par or better, but I hope I somehow helped regardless ^-^
About GU... that game's charge blade is very different from all the other games in was in, so learning guard point properly in that one might be counterproductive. They got rid of both the triple X+A combo into AED/SAED, and they removed the ability to do go into those moves from Guard Points too. This forces a completely different playstyle that would not work nearly as well in all other games. I dare say your current style of play might be better suited for GU. But if you want to re-learn CB, Wilds is probably going to be a great opportunity! I bet they will keep it mostly the same as it was in World.
I really disliked gu's charge blade because of that, I was so reliant on the guard point into aed lol
I loved it because of that. If you just learn the dance, you morph all around the monster while they cry with all the unstoppable guard points and morphs doing damage. It felt really good.@@neolordie
Yeah and you have to also go into axe mode to charge your shield to red.
11:40 hey cool, I reconize some of this Names. Tristan, and Artemis sould be regulars online.
Congrats 🎉🎉
In GU if you play adept style charge blade, using guard point becomes super easy, because you also get a guard point during the charge up frames of your charge slash (holding A in sword mode)
Guard point in 4 and world shifts you into the guarding animation, and you have a limited number of ways you can react out of it, but one of the ways is by using the SAED, which lets you access it faster than usual at least vs being in sword mode
In GU using guard point doesn't interrupt your current action, which is great for the charge slash guard point becomes you can charge up during an enemy attack, then finish the charge slash like normal
Striker gives a guard point to your draw/dash attack.
But Adept's guard point on your charged attack is unbelievably good.
4U is so good. I need a remake.
I thought you did great with the Dual Blades Jay. You might wanna consider a dual blades run in the future.
Can you guys help me find a way to download all the discountinued dlc since I tried but it's no longer available damn it
Servers are down :(
It's never too late for Guard Point, Jayson.
I literally learned to guard point on Fatalis in world, it's just a matter of getting a feel for it and practicing
Guard point in GU? Valor CB all the way.
so we're still gonna learn what the "you know whats" are in the send off stream?
Yeah I never bothered with Guard Point, don't think I'm not that into Charge Blade in general. I did enjoy it in Rise due to that "chainsaw mode", but I often found myself getting hit way too much and just moved on to another weapon. lol (I'm trying hard to avoid the gunlance in my new game of Rise, lol)
If you play GU, try the bushido style, Gard point on steroids
Please play Hunting Horn in GU
Lol. He's going to.
Genuine question Jason, are you trying to guard point in neutral by going into axe form? If so, that is not possible without pressing the special button. I saw it like 5 times in this video. If you don’t press the special button IN NEUTRAL (standing still without attacking), you won’t get any of the guard frames. Also, Aisha is mine, old man. Custom quests need to be integrated into the series somehow. A lot of goofy shenanigans come from them and great memories as well. Either way, I’m glad you enjoyed 4U! You quit before you got to the worst part, being relic grinding. Relic grinding is what killed the game for me, same with rise and anomaly grinding (albeit I already didn’t like rise gameplay).
It actually is still possible without the special button. The timing of the button presses is harder to execute but if practiced, becomes much easier.
finalllyyyyyyyyy
He doesn't know 💀
#1 TIP for starting to use guard points! Helped me a lot to focus at first on the one you can do from a normal guard - the R2+Triangle one! You can translate that back to 3DS buttons, I forgot them!
There's pretty much no gap between your normal guard and the guard point! This means you basically have a just guard! Be holding the guard button, and press the triangle button right before you get hit! The timing is not especially tight! If you're too late you just guard! If your timing was decent, you get a guard point! If you're way too early, maybe you whiff a transition into axe mode! It's easy enough and rewarding enough to be worth the risk! This lets you turn any situation where you'd normally block into a super amped elemental discharge or various other axe mode transitions!
The next one to practice is the R2 from axe mode - the transition from axe back into sword and shield! It's another single-move guard point! It basically lets you guard out of axe, just with a delay! And it gets those amazing SAED options too! If you wiff this one, you can just keep holding guard and be perfectly safe!
There! That's the #1 tip AND the #2 tip for you! The details are a little different depending on which Monster Hunter you're playing, but these tips should hold true in any game with the charge blade! Guard points are how you really unlock that thing's incredible potential! Go get 'em, hunter!!!
You cannot do that in 4U, sadly, specifically in 4U, you HAVE to do both buttons at the same time on the morph input. If you Guard before, you lose the guard point when morphing, yea...
Guard points become better in later games cuz it gets follow-ups from them almost like a counter attack,
And yeah, 4U is the best one with its character and story.
Nah, the follow-ups (axe slash or AED/SAED) were already there in MH4U, you can even do them from a basic guard (that doesn't cause excessive recoil).
Yea, idk why ppl think GPs werent that op in 4U, it was just the input timing that they made it easier in later games :v@@Stratelier
Might not be the first one to say this but input a regular guard before inputting the attack button to initiate the GP. Providing you have enough points of guard, this solves the problem of being whacked by the monster because you hit the attack button too late. As for the problem of hitting the attack button too early...that'll only come from experience...
That doesn't work in 4u
@@justthere845 sadge
Please pick up Insect Glaive in GU! Bug is love, bug is life. 🐛 ❤
I think you haven't understand the concept of guard point is. While it is true that learning guard point can ruin your muscle memory because you already have your own playstyle it is a skill issue that you can't do the timing and rhythm perfectly because you haven't practiced it yet, furthermore having a understanding about a monster's movement and their distance of their attacks plays a major role since it gives you an indication on what specific attacks they're going to do and when will you going to use guard point at the exact moment because if you do it early or to late your going to pay the consequences (just like you experienced). Another very important thing is that having a great reaction time also plays a major role to using guard point since there are other monster who attack immediately without indication (like yian garuga for example)
And pls do remember this tho, guard point is not just about guarding an incoming attack immediately it is also about giving that monster a counter attack after you GP that said attack ( basically pressing the Analog down + B button after using guard point to use AED).
Unfortunately you may not be able to use guard point in MHGU because that game kinda remove that feature so... yeah bummer.
Hope this helps!!
You actually can use Guard Points like that in GU, since they keep you doing the morph, you just have to Guard Point when it's not a multihit move. After morphing, you can do AED as normal, or even swing the Axe II part.
and GPs are easier in GU, since they have an indication.
@@TGHunter you can yes but both in mhgen and gu they remove a certain function on charge blade than when you guard point an attack instead of giving you a blocking animation which gives u a choice whether you do AED/SAED as a counter attack or just dodge sideways to reposition, when u do guard point in mhgen/gu it doesn't gives you a blocking animation but instead only a invisible frame which automatically transforms into axe mode which sucks as a charge blade user (its really hard to explain this part but i hope you get what i mean).
This is also the reason why some modders created a mod in mhxx (in citra) that allows you to give that block animation when you GP an attack although its not as flawless as the mh4u
Yea i know what u mean, but i still think that its viable in GU its just a different but similar dance@@ivertrionnicblazingwell1757
Using Dragon and Thunder DBs against Gold rathian, wo is immune to Dragon -.-
You still deal Thunder Damage to it.
Guard points really came into their own in World where they also dealt stun and had more utility
They do stun in 4U tho? actually GPs had more value IN 4U. Later games always nerfed Guard points power since they were making them easier to hit as well.
And in Rise, they added multiple easier and better GPs for new players, while nerfing the basic GP.
I have no idea why i enjoy fighting g rank chameleos in 4u.
I shouldnt. Theres not a single good reason why.
Please Jay I beg of you
For Generations Ultimate WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT AND I REPEAT DO NOT!!!
DO NOT PLEDGE TO KILL ALL EX MONSTERS
it will take you years, no joke. you'll get burned out really really quick! it's waaaaay too much farming and the quest system for those monsters are completely unfair
I obsess over clearing all quests in every MH game I play, and while I really love Gen/Gen U whenever I start a new file I find myself getting totally burnt out every time before G rank (besides my first file after release)
So...............
Skill
Issue
3U at the bottom of your list?
Based tbh.
Third gen is the weakest gen imo. Doesn’t mean it’s bad, just the least good.
Yet, it's kinda their first success overseas.
At least it have a credit for that.
and has a gorgeous music.
@@Reymax164 I won’t disagree. Third gen isn’t bad, I just like it the least.
And yeah. A lot of music in third gen slaps. Ceadeus, Zinogre, Brachy.
But then you got some real loser monster designs, and Tri is like half a game.
4U was a game my bro hyped up to me like this big, awesome entry in MonHun after I took a break from XX. (first MonHun, btw.)
I went in expecting cool stuff... And I got cool stuff!
It was a great game for what the base game portion of the content had to offer + HR Caravan.
Then... G-Rank happened.
And it dropped the ball down the infinite abyss that is Gaismagorm's lair.
I could see what made it so great for people, what 4U bringed to the table in terms of mechanics but...
It just wasn't good. I saw the cracks on the pretty painted wall and the things I saw and experienced first hand within those cracks ruined the experience overall for me.
To the point that it made me think Freedom Unite is a much better balanced game than 4U.
I told this to my bro and called me a spoon fed player.
To which I responded- After playing FU Up to Whitalis, F1 up to Crimson Fatty, P3rd after having filled up my armor set slots, Tri Up to Alatreon and 3U solo in its entirety up to Abyssal that:
"Monster Hunter isn't Dark Souls nor anything Souls-like. It's Monster Hunter! And 4U isn't Monster Hunter to me."
It ended up a disappointment of a game. And that made me really sad.
Weird, cuz 4U g-rank is incredible... It has so much in common with older games as well...
even XX was a weird one, cuz G-rank there had the really bloated HP for multiplayer, those insane and terrible requirements for armor upgrades as well... Hypers being demanded and Deviants being grindy af...
Gaismagorm is easy af as well, its just a big Gore... you sure it wasn't a skill issue at the time bro?
Also, blaming the whole thing on that monster is kinda too much, saying that "I can see the cracks" when the game literally does most of its pacing, content, gameplay, charm and progression almost perfectly for a old world MH...
As a CB main myself, I agree: Guard Point is a neat little party trick to know, but it's far from vital to the (really, any) CB playstyle. Personally, I've never observed a _single_ situation where attempting a Guard Point is preferable if just blocking the attack normally is also available. Across four MH games, never.
Now MHGU does have new options to switch up _when_ a Guard Point occurs in your moveset and some of them are amazing (e.g. Guard Point with the _draw attack?_ yes, that exists), but you can still do a lot of damage without using/knowing them.
No ways are you a charge blade main and think gp isn't vital to any playstyle.
@@justthere845 _(shrugs)_ if I'm running a defensive build then it's going to include Guard+2 which blocks almost everything with no chip damage already.
@@Stratelier guard +2 with red shield isn't going to block a brachydios's heavy ground punches without knockback.
If you guard point with guard +2 red cb shield you can then counter that with a free AED.
Also there are other examples where guard pointing(even without guard skill) gives you a free AED or SAED where it wouldn't happen without a gp.
Guard pointing can turn some fights from hard to very manageable and also give you so many more counter opportunities to use AED and SAED.
great journal to end on, glad you enjoyed so many expects of 4U ! it is a travesty they did not port this to switch
also the johto song at the end is leak LMAO