Ex graders have said they spend 30 to 90 seconds per card, that includes taking out of the holder, recording grades etc. it’s hilarious that people think PSA is sitting there scrutinizing the cards. They rush through and slap grades on. Hell, they’re in such a rush they not infrequently do severe damage to a card. Not nearly as much thought goes into the grades as people think. It’s easy to find PSA 10s on eBay that have visible flaws even viewing through the slab at a distance. Like everything else in this hobby the driving factor is the GAMBLE
Moral of the story grading companies need to have pics and a database of the cards submitted and why they got the grade it did. Transparency is everything in business and PSaa is very subjective.
Better- no, but the cards sell for a lot more $. What I think most people want in a grading company: Customer support Consistent grading Fair pricing Resale value Nice looking/clear slabs - and labels
My exp with CS has all been the same. PSA doesn't stand out..I think this video showed they aren't consistent.they have the worst pricing structure and their slabs are by far the most plain. The resale value is why people go with them.. but watching the video of the PSA 10 Jordan rc, all getting 9s or lower with bgs solidified their quality. Anyone not using half points and showing subgrades to come up with their magical number requires more scrutiny.
@@nothingbutcardboard I just want consistent grading and full transparency. I only grade with psa because of resell value. There are other companies with full transparency such as TAG grading which is a great idea.
I think the deal with grading is you have to get the more inexperienced people to get the good grades. They might miss stuff. The veterans probably gonna be more nit-picky and can't grade them all. It's luck of the draw. Was told by PSA they have 2 independent people look at the cards and give a grade. If they match, it's done.
You "never" resubmit a "numbered" card, especially a "low-numbered" card to the "same" grading company, "EVER!" Even, my wife's cat knows that and it runs full speed into the wall mirror that's lying on the floor, because it thinks there's another cat invading its territory.
Believe it or not, they don’t always check. I’ve had multiple PSA 9s go up to PSA 10s. It could possibly depend on the value of the card and the # in existence. But I have had a few /99 bump up with a PSA regrade.
PSA gives 10s like crazy.. not surprised, i stopped using PSA for that reason.. there's a reason HGA gave it a 9 but PSA must've missed something.. EVERY EYE is not the same 👀
I purchased a SGC 9 Select Wembanyama Mezzanine Blue Ice which will be cracked and then sending it in to PSA. I also plan on cracking a SGC 9.5 Bowman Chrome U Caitlin Clark Auto /99 and submitting it to PSA as well.
Hilarious results to be honest, and in no good way for PSA. Was buying a '95 Stadium Club Ring Leader's Griffey Member's Only last weekend at a show, and the guy has a CSG 8.5. Came home, asked a guy with a PSA 8 if he could match the price and he went on a foul-mouthed rant on why CSG was a joke, he had 30 years in the business and yap, yap. So, I just said have a nice day. Went back to the show and paid MORE for the CSG. Why? Because screw the PSA seller. 🤣
I would not buy anything from a dealer like that either! Everyone has there opinions, we just need to share them in a nice way and agree to disagree- no reason to be rude or curse over it. We like CSG, they just never took off- prob 4th right now on the grading list. They do grade accurately and love their slabs, to bad there is no resale value.
Grading is a complete joke, and as long as you and everyone else keep falling for the scam, nothing will ever change. It's human error. Might as well look at card yourself !
@@inlandempiresignpros1558 "20 to 30x"? Really? Come on, dude, if you are going to pot nonsense, at least make your nonsense sensible and logical! I mean, seriously, 20 to 30x? I just pulled a Wemby Pink that's selling for $125 RAW, so YOU are telling me, if I get a PSA 10, that card would sell between $2,500 an $3750?! There are PSA 10's for the exact card I have that selling for $1,200, and that's nowhere close to 20 to 30x!
@@Carliferz that’s a way higher percentage than I get. Honestly out of over 10 I don’t think I’ve ever had a BGS 9 go to a PSA 10 and I’m 0-3 on 9.5s to PSA 10s. I need to find your slabs
It's still part of the game, when those 10 pregrades are a miss but you get wins elsewhere, resub and they are bound to hit. Having one sub get 20% gems and the next 65%, no rhyme or reason. Just have to hope the 10's have enough juice to profit and no damage done to the rest of the cards.
This round of crackout did not go your way this time. Thanks for sharing Not sure your comment at end of video about being overall thrilled with order coincides when the estimated return is -$14
@@JPfreedom yes I cracked these. PSA could penalty check their pop report if it was originally graded by PSA. But if it was graded by another company they would have no idea.
@JPfreedom PSA would only be able to tell if it was a numbered card. They would have to check their population report to see if they have already graded that number
Believe it or not, during the pandemic(2020) PSA was either slow as heck or stopped accepting new orders all together, so people started to look elsewhere, like SGC and this little known company out of South Florida called GMA, just to be able to get their cards(personal collection or flips) graded. So, there are a ton of GMA graded cards out there, that are literally in $5 bins with cards inside that are worth four times that RAW!. So, i hi card shows, flea markets, eBay and even antique shops looking for graded cards from companies other than PSA/BGS/SGC(unless the deal is too good to skip) and then I crack it and resubmit ot PSA or SGC and I have never gotten less than a 9, with about 78% coming back PSA 10s.
Interestingly enough I have cracked numbered cards in the past and they have come back with higher grades. However, I do think the more valuable the card, the more likely they are to check the POP report.
1)How do you make a print line less visible? I’m assuming you used wax 2)You said crack and resell so you will make that know to the potential buyers correct? I would not be a buyer of anything you sell. Deceiving people and using wax to get better results isn’t a good look.
Jeremy. Yes you can use Meguiar’s or Kurt’s wax to clean cards and in some cases remove scratches. We have a video if you are curious on how to do it. Lots of people in the hobby clean their cards, they just might not be as up front about it as we are. If we do not agree with the grade a card got we will crack them and resell them raw. We have had cards that got PSA 6’s resubmitted and then got 9’s and 10’s. It is not deceptive if you note any imperfections.
@@nothingbutcardboard In my opinion I think if you’re not in there inner circle of friends and associates. They will not give you the grade your cards deserve 5 Years ago I would get 50 -60 percent 10.s It slowly dwindled down too 20 Percent. That’s my opinion and I have the invoice to proof it. They control the Market. I don’t trust them an will not give them anymore of my business. Checkout my videos at J.C and his card collection as I crack out psa vintage cards and resubmit to SGC
Pretty good tips, except one sticking point. $5 cards that go to $50 with a 10 and only $15 in 9 still can be worth it. Even at a 50% 10 rate you make money. Say you did 20 $5 cards. Your into cards for $500 cost and grading. 10 9’s = $150, 10 10’s = $500 for total of $650 and a 30% profit of $150. If you bump that up to a 70% gem rate you would make $790 at a 58% profit of $290.
Flipper's are just in it for the money.... I would never switch a Beckett slab and tag for PSA😮😮😮 PSA is a rip off 😂😂 Beckett will always be a better buy then PSA. The flipper's bought into the hype. Because, they aren't true collector's 😂😂 But, too each and it's own. He lost money 🤑
@@brianjones5995 I have actually had multiple serial numbered cards come back with different grades PSA 9 to PSA 10. It may depend on the value of the card and how many they are numbered to. But it’s not a sure thing that you’ll receive the same grade as before.
PSA is Trash 🗑. I hope the hobby wakes up to what TAG Grading is doing. The days of cracking slabs and resubmiting are over because of TAG Grading. PSA is an outdated relic, and their slabs look like crap.
Ex graders have said they spend 30 to 90 seconds per card, that includes taking out of the holder, recording grades etc. it’s hilarious that people think PSA is sitting there scrutinizing the cards. They rush through and slap grades on. Hell, they’re in such a rush they not infrequently do severe damage to a card. Not nearly as much thought goes into the grades as people think. It’s easy to find PSA 10s on eBay that have visible flaws even viewing through the slab at a distance. Like everything else in this hobby the driving factor is the GAMBLE
If you pause it at 2:50 that Tua has a ding at the bottom right corner. Thats probably why it got that 8.
PSA is where 9’s go to get a 10 label. 😂
@@michaelroot1960 lol unless it’s a BGS first! I have had zero BGS 9s bump up and very few 9.5’s
Moral of the video. PSA is no better than any other grading company and if you don't like the grade, just resubmit
Moral of the story grading companies need to have pics and a database of the cards submitted and why they got the grade it did. Transparency is everything in business and PSaa is very subjective.
Better- no, but the cards sell for a lot more $. What I think most people want in a grading company:
Customer support
Consistent grading
Fair pricing
Resale value
Nice looking/clear slabs - and labels
My exp with CS has all been the same. PSA doesn't stand out..I think this video showed they aren't consistent.they have the worst pricing structure and their slabs are by far the most plain. The resale value is why people go with them.. but watching the video of the PSA 10 Jordan rc, all getting 9s or lower with bgs solidified their quality. Anyone not using half points and showing subgrades to come up with their magical number requires more scrutiny.
@@nothingbutcardboard I just want consistent grading and full transparency. I only grade with psa because of resell value. There are other companies with full transparency such as TAG grading which is a great idea.
I think the deal with grading is you have to get the more inexperienced people to get the good grades. They might miss stuff. The veterans probably gonna be more nit-picky and can't grade them all. It's luck of the draw. Was told by PSA they have 2 independent people look at the cards and give a grade. If they match, it's done.
I've never been to L.A but all the times I've played San Andreas and GTA I kinda feel like I have and would know my way around lol
I think if the card is numbered, they cn search what it got last time and grade it the same. I may be wrong.
They wouldn't consider it being cleaned up?
Ain’t nobody got time for that
You "never" resubmit a "numbered" card, especially a "low-numbered" card to the "same" grading company, "EVER!"
Even, my wife's cat knows that and it runs full speed into the wall mirror that's lying on the floor, because it thinks there's another cat invading its territory.
Believe it or not, they don’t always check. I’ve had multiple PSA 9s go up to PSA 10s. It could possibly depend on the value of the card and the # in existence. But I have had a few /99 bump up with a PSA regrade.
PSA gives 10s like crazy.. not surprised, i stopped using PSA for that reason.. there's a reason HGA gave it a 9 but PSA must've missed something.. EVERY EYE is not the same 👀
Agreed
Tag the only grader I would consider
Grading is a joke!
I purchased a SGC 9 Select Wembanyama Mezzanine Blue Ice which will be cracked and then sending it in to PSA. I also plan on cracking a SGC 9.5 Bowman Chrome U Caitlin Clark Auto /99 and submitting it to PSA as well.
Hilarious results to be honest, and in no good way for PSA. Was buying a '95 Stadium Club Ring Leader's Griffey Member's Only last weekend at a show, and the guy has a CSG 8.5. Came home, asked a guy with a PSA 8 if he could match the price and he went on a foul-mouthed rant on why CSG was a joke, he had 30 years in the business and yap, yap. So, I just said have a nice day. Went back to the show and paid MORE for the CSG. Why? Because screw the PSA seller. 🤣
I would not buy anything from a dealer like that either! Everyone has there opinions, we just need to share them in a nice way and agree to disagree- no reason to be rude or curse over it.
We like CSG, they just never took off- prob 4th right now on the grading list. They do grade accurately and love their slabs, to bad there is no resale value.
@nothingbutcardboard I can't tell you how many of the Green Label CSG 9.5s I bought dirt cheap, cracked and got PSA 10. BTW, excellent video.
@@Matt_237 thanks! Green label 9.5’s were graded very harshly! We’ve had a ton cross over to a PSA 10. 100% agree
@@nothingbutcardboard I never sub, but you're my 2nd hobby sub. Outstanding info, video, everything.
New sub here, love the content! Keep up the good work 💪
Thank you sir!
Great video!
Grading is a complete joke, and as long as you and everyone else keep falling for the scam, nothing will ever change. It's human error. Might as well look at card yourself !
@@fredflintstone4364 thanks for your opinion Fred
@@nothingbutcardboardeven though it's crazy wrong.. psa 10 goes for 20 to 30x what ungrades goes for in my experience.. but to each his own ✌
@@inlandempiresignpros1558 "20 to 30x"? Really? Come on, dude, if you are going to pot nonsense, at least make your nonsense sensible and logical!
I mean, seriously, 20 to 30x? I just pulled a Wemby Pink that's selling for $125 RAW, so YOU are telling me, if I get a PSA 10, that card would sell between $2,500 an $3750?!
There are PSA 10's for the exact card I have that selling for $1,200, and that's nowhere close to 20 to 30x!
The growth just in grading assessments over the course of the year has been phenomenal gentleman! Keep going!
@@frostyfeetcards thank you sir!
I never got graded up. I always got graded down
@@jakesorrentino7230 sounds like you got a bit unlucky
@@nothingbutcardboard Tried it with an SGC 9.5 Freddie Freedman Topps Chrome Rookie cracked resent to PSA it got an 9
I got a 10 from an sgc crack out. I crack bgs 9s all day. 30 percent gem rate.
@@Carliferz that’s a way higher percentage than I get. Honestly out of over 10 I don’t think I’ve ever had a BGS 9 go to a PSA 10 and I’m 0-3 on 9.5s to PSA 10s. I need to find your slabs
Pop reports are never going to amount to anything with all these people regrading.
@@brianwatts4941 PSA’s is probably the most accurate with less people cracking them out, but yes, POP reports will never be 100% accurate
It's still part of the game, when those 10 pregrades are a miss but you get wins elsewhere, resub and they are bound to hit. Having one sub get 20% gems and the next 65%, no rhyme or reason. Just have to hope the 10's have enough juice to profit and no damage done to the rest of the cards.
@@zacharynelson7701 exactly!
what is the video of gem mint john showing you how to remove fuxzies off corner with tape?
Thanks for the video fellas. Will any of you guys be at the National?
@@alvinbarrett741 unfortunately not this year. Maybe next year!
This round of crackout did not go your way this time. Thanks for sharing
Not sure your comment at end of video about being overall thrilled with order coincides when the estimated return is -$14
@@austinbrown5731 this was only half of the order. The first half netted about 2k profit.
Great cards,mew sub thanks for sharing!!👍😎💯
@@rex-freestylepackripps801 thanks for the comment! Hopefully we have some better grades next time
So did you crack these? If so, how do they track a serial #?
@@JPfreedom yes I cracked these. PSA could penalty check their pop report if it was originally graded by PSA. But if it was graded by another company they would have no idea.
@nothingbutcardboard how can figure out if they graded it before if you sent it in cracked raw. Simply curious
@JPfreedom PSA would only be able to tell if it was a numbered card. They would have to check their population report to see if they have already graded that number
Always wanted to do this!
You guys just proved how gawd-awful HGA is...
Nice hawk tua cards bro
what do you mean with "I cleaned them"? Like really polishing or only wiping finderprints
Definitely wipe the fingerprints of it has it. But I can polish to get minor scratches out too.
@nothingbutcardboard do you have a link to the video you referred to that Gem Mint John goes over how treat the card edges? Thanks!
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Great video. I think older cards have pop limits and harder to upgrade. Stick to modern
@@TheCardHunter you could be right. Although I have had a few Ichiro cards come back a PSA 10
The Hurts purple shock looks off centered left to right.
Hello everyone! Show us what you got! 🤙
Believe it or not, during the pandemic(2020) PSA was either slow as heck or stopped accepting new orders all together, so people started to look elsewhere, like SGC and this little known company out of South Florida called GMA, just to be able to get their cards(personal collection or flips) graded. So, there are a ton of GMA graded cards out there, that are literally in $5 bins with cards inside that are worth four times that RAW!. So, i
hi card shows, flea markets, eBay and even antique shops looking for graded cards from companies other than PSA/BGS/SGC(unless the deal is too good to skip) and then I crack it and resubmit ot PSA or SGC and I have never gotten less than a 9, with about 78% coming back PSA 10s.
Short answer is no. I've had plenty of 9s come back at a worse grade.
They for sure look at the serial number. Best done with non #. Great vid
Interestingly enough I have cracked numbered cards in the past and they have come back with higher grades. However, I do think the more valuable the card, the more likely they are to check the POP report.
1)How do you make a print line less visible? I’m assuming you used wax
2)You said crack and resell so you will make that know to the potential buyers correct?
I would not be a buyer of anything you sell. Deceiving people and using wax to get better results isn’t a good look.
Jeremy. Yes you can use Meguiar’s or Kurt’s wax to clean cards and in some cases remove scratches. We have a video if you are curious on how to do it. Lots of people in the hobby clean their cards, they just might not be as up front about it as we are.
If we do not agree with the grade a card got we will crack them and resell them raw. We have had cards that got PSA 6’s resubmitted and then got 9’s and 10’s. It is not deceptive if you note any imperfections.
How did you make a card better with print line in the card?
Prizm/ chrome cards can be cleaned up and in some cases scratches removed. We actually have a video on how to do it if you’re interested.
That Pujols Chrome looked too good for an 8😢
@@hamm_bone_hobbies1302 it was pretty clean, but the chrome late editions are a tough grade
sorry guys but take the grade the card was given🤷 so i guess ur gonna resub the 8 again lol
There is no science behind grading. It is literally gambling. I like grading just for the protection.
PSA is a joke.
Awful company. Most inconsistent at grading. Steal from the customer by upcharging
Crack it and sell it raw, or in other words scam unsuspecting collectors.... Hobby Heroes!
right, it's a business and these guys are being real as it gets 😂
How much did it cost to grade them?
It was $16 per card
They cant upcharge when they downgrade 17 sgc 10s 10 autos!!!!!!
@@michaeldenzer6024 did that happen to you?
@nothingbutcardboard sure did! 1st order. 1 was a exquisite 2011 auto rc klay thompson that was a sgc 10 10 auto. Psa gave it a 9.
That’s brutal!
So I learned that grading cards makes no sense
After the case is opened, that card stays in the psa registry, correct? Even if you submit it elsewhere
Correct, unless you were to reach out and let them know it was cracked open with proof
I’ve got a Kobe rc all star 10 I need to cross over I wish you could help me
@@californiacookingitup5926 we have a few videos on how to crack slabs if you’re interested.
A 9 is mint. So its a weird scale. The 9.5 in bgs/sgc are truly weird i.m.o. it's mint but it's just a 9...
You don’t have to crack them they do crossover
@@brendanbabinec7144 yes I know, but it’s cheaper to crack them and it removes any bias from seeing another label
Dont trust psa! At all.....
More ichiro crackouts....
@@crankycardguy1369 yes sir!
Without watching you should get 2 10 always 20 percent that’s there limit
@@JC-pu7gi what do you mean that’s their limit?
@@nothingbutcardboard In my opinion I think if you’re not in there inner circle of friends and associates. They will not give you the grade your cards deserve 5 Years ago I would get 50 -60 percent 10.s It slowly dwindled down too 20 Percent. That’s my opinion and I have the invoice to proof it. They control the Market. I don’t trust them an will not give them anymore of my business. Checkout my videos at J.C and his card collection as I crack out psa vintage cards and resubmit to SGC
Dump all those QBs there going nowhere.
Not a believer huh? Who are you buying?
Facts
Pretty good tips, except one sticking point. $5 cards that go to $50 with a 10 and only $15 in 9 still can be worth it. Even at a 50% 10 rate you make money. Say you did 20 $5 cards. Your into cards for $500 cost and grading. 10 9’s = $150, 10 10’s = $500 for total of $650 and a 30% profit of $150. If you bump that up to a 70% gem rate you would make $790 at a 58% profit of $290.
@@S0DAPOPINSKI1979 you definitely can. It’s just going to be a lot more work posting the cards to eBay selling say 20 cards rather than 5
Flipper's are just in it for the money.... I would never switch a Beckett slab and tag for PSA😮😮😮
PSA is a rip off 😂😂
Beckett will always be a better buy then PSA. The flipper's bought into the hype. Because, they aren't true collector's 😂😂
But, too each and it's own. He lost money 🤑
@@thomasshenton577 nah, actually made 2k off the order, but it was in the first half of the order
BGS are the best of a bad bunch. Best slabs and more accurate grading
Of course Psa has been labeling serial cards always regrade non serial or regrade with a different company
@@brianjones5995 I have actually had multiple serial numbered cards come back with different grades PSA 9 to PSA 10. It may depend on the value of the card and how many they are numbered to. But it’s not a sure thing that you’ll receive the same grade as before.
If you got 10s from an HGA slab, I'd be very surprised. They are very soft graders.
HGA grades way harder than PSA. PSA gives out 10s like Halloween candy
@@ericsakamoto5657 no way...Every HGA card I had graded higher than PSA. 1 to 2 grades higher. Especially bigger cards.
PSA is Trash 🗑. I hope the hobby wakes up to what TAG Grading is doing. The days of cracking slabs and resubmiting are over because of TAG Grading. PSA is an outdated relic, and their slabs look like crap.
TAG new marketing strategy?
@@shortflicsplug I'm just spitting facts
PSA are crap. I've never seen a Tag slab on ebay