"And that night he crawled on top of me, stinking of wine, and did what he did, what little he could do... and he whispered in my ear "Lyanna"... Your sister was a corpse and I was a living girl and he loved her more than me." Cersei Lannister
This is like the yes and no of Cersei Lannister. Yes, it’s humiliating for a newly wed to hear their partner say someone else’s name in bed. Also No, Cersei’s personal vanity is “Really? You love some ugly horse-faced Stark girl more when you have golden-haired perfection like me? Screw you.” That’s Cersei Lannister.
In the books Lyanna was bethroed to Robert but his actions of just sleeping around and visiting brothels made her resent him and not want to marry him. None of the male Starks would do that which is why she expected her future husband to not do that as well. When he did, she just began to hate him and realised that he'd keep doing the same even after their marriage so she decided to elope with Prince Rhaegar whom she actually liked and was also liked by.
And also Elia knew so it wasn’t infidelity by Rhaegar. Elia couldn’t have any more children But Rhaegar was obsessed with “the dragon has three heads” so he wanted a third child, a son he and Elia believed would be the Prince Who Was Promised. Lyanna must have known the deal.
None of the male starks would do that? Come on not all starks are noble like Ned. Since you read the books you should know Brandon starks, Ned’s brother did sleep around before getting engaged to Catelyn. Its in Theon’s chapters in A Feast For Crows.
@@tanzeelahmed164 There is two theories for me in Brandon case. Lady Dustin is lying, possible but unlikely. Rickard Stark did everything in their power to prevent that Lyanna connect with the real world, so she wouldn't know about Brandon being the wild Wolf, different from Robert that everyone know how he was. A childish girl taken away by tales.
@annavictrix Also, people seem to forget that she was Oberyn's sister and she was marrying a targaryan. Given her brother's lifestyle and her knowledge of targaryan history, it's totally possible that she went into the marriage without the expectation of unconditional fidelity. No one mentioned how Elia looked at the tourney at harrenhall, she might not have even been upset. At least Rheagar cared enough about Elia not force her to keep trying to have another child when it could have killed her. Instead, it's clearly possible--based in Danys vision at the house of the undying--that he spoke to her ( about having another child, and she knew about his obsession with prophecy and the dragon needing 3 heads. In real life, they might have spoken bluntly about rheagar taking a mistress or even a 2nd wife. Also, after Robert took over, all Targaryan loyalists were in danger--that included the Danyes and Ashara, who was Elias lady in waiting. Ashara needed to dissappear and so did Arthur Dayne. It makes me really doubt that Ashara committed suicide rather than went into hiding. And why was Arthur at the tower of joy instead of guarding rheagar at the trident. He might have survived if Arthur had been by his side. But whatever was at that tower was more important to him than his own life. And how did Ned find out that lyanna was at the tower of joy? Why was she there with rheagar during the majority of the war? Who was bringing them food, who helped lyanna through the birth? The only house nearby was starfall. And why would the daynes nickname their heir Ned if he actually killed Arthur or did anything to dishonor Ashara. There's so many questions about the rebellion that when you ask one, you realize another one
You want to know the really horrible truth? Robert was never really in love with Lyanna, he was more in love with the idea of Lyanna. He believed that Lyanna could have been the woman that could have tamed the warrior within him, but no woman could have done that. He would have been loyal to her for a little while but soon enough he would have caught the eye of some pretty serving wench and gone back to his lecherous ways, and Lyanna knew that.
@@alshankhan9091 no. She became a martyr to him, an ideal that no one else could top. And he clearly didn't love her enough to stop sleeping with serving girls.
Rhaegar didn't break it. I believe it was his father, Aerys II. Aerys told Tywin that he would not allow a marriage between them because the Lannisters weren't good enough. When in reality, Aerys was afraid that they would become more powerful than the Targareyn's.
Cersei was NEVER meant for Rhaegar. Tywin tried to manipulate Aerys in to betrothing Rhaegar to Cersei but Aerys laughed at him. Aerys may have been completely mad, however he wasn’t stupid enough to betroth Rhaegar to a Lannister.
@@eb4771while I do think the butchering of the babies was a very cruel the rebellion was absolutely justified. Tywin killed those babies and presented them to robert as gifts to show his loyalty since he didn't take part in the war. So robert has no blood of targ babes on his hands. He did send assassins to murder dany and viserys but he was not successful. So robert has killed 0 babies . The only targ he killed was that idiot rhaegar and he was a married man who stole his betrothed.
@eb4771 Is that why? Wow. I could've sworn Rhaegar and Lyanna's goofy asses left without a word, leading people to believe that she was kidnapped. Lyanna's father and brother are executed by Aerys Targaryen after they head to King's Landing to get justice for Lyanna. None of this is on Robert Aerys, Tywin, Ned, etc...this is on Lyanna and Rhaegar. The fact they KNEW a war was brewing due to their absence these two idiots should've made their way back to King's Landing to clear their little indiscretions up. Sure, people would be hurt.....heartbroken and embarrassed if you're poor Elia Martell, and indefinitely disinherited, but no war begins. I love Jon to pieces but no one can ever make me even have a sliver of affection for the two dicks that created him..
@@william0513me too, i think the same! Its like she wanted an honest conversation + kinda goodbye + she don't wanna feel she made a mistake ploting his murder now that he said NO
@fam6746 yhh that's all it was, confirmation, she was going to kill him but this just, like everyone said, put the nail in the coffin. And plus I don't blame cersi for it. Girls back then we're groomed to only ever want marriage with some dude that was arranged for them. Kinda sad really. Glad she killed him tho, lol😂😅
@@william0513Same, I think it's clear in hindsight that she decided to kill him right then. She had been considering it because she could not bear to be in their relationship anymore, and his death was the only way to end it and still stay with her children (let alone staying alive), but she much preferred fixing their relationship to ending it, and still had hope it could be possible. She probably struggled with trying to deal with that hope for a long time. But his "no" here dispels her hope once and for all, and she is suddenly hit with the clarity of what she has to do. "It doesn't make me feel anything" is true in the sense that she doesn't feel disappointed or sad or happy about his answer, she has stopped caring and worrying and hoping. She lets him go right in that moment, and his fate is sealed. It's much like when Lady Olenna talks to Sansa to find out if the rumours about Joffrey is true. When she says it's "a pity" that Joffrey is a monster, she just seems slightly bummed that Margaery's life as queen won't be as easy as hoped, when what she's actually bummed about is that she'll have to go through with the option of killing Joffrey. The two scenes are obviously alike in the sense that they depict a conversation where one party is told a harsh and disappointing truth, and you feel sorry for them, not realising that they already have a solution for their problem in mind, namely murder, and decide on it in that moment. One way in which they are not alike, though, is the opposite emotional implications for the two characters. For Cersei, whose worries have been weighing heavily on her, eating at her, and directly impacting her life for a long time, the moment brings relief because she lets go of all her worries in that moment. For Olenna, whose worries were hypothetical, had not yet impacted her life, and might even have turned out to be proven unfounded, the moment brings tension because her worries become solidified in that moment, and not just her initial worries about what Margaery would have to endure if the rumours were true, but also new worries about whether or not she can pull off the big plans, i.e. carrying out the murder without getting caught *and* securing a new betrothal to Tommen, plus having to rely on Baelish not to sell her out at any point in the future. I feel like I lack a conclusion, but this whole thing is probably long enough already. Thanks to anyone who bothered reading! 🥔
To be fair, still nothing. Job didn't want the iron throne and to be honest I don't think cersei wanted the north, it held very little strategic value and would have created less wars to leave the northerners alone. She demonstrates this by stateing Ned stark son is a man of honour. She didn't say bastard. She showed him respect
As a character- this was one of Cersei’s best moments. You can feel the depth in her character 😔 what a long journey to her looking out windows drinking wine.
I could be over thinking, but i feel that "No" from Robert officially signed his death sentence. Whatever doubt Cersei might have had about taking him out disappeared at that momen, and that's when she decided to kill him come hell or high water.
No she would have done it either way. She did it to guard the secret of her children's incestuous parentage. Plus Joffrey was at an age to rule so she didn't need Robert anymore and she had established her power base. She was even outmaneuvering her own family members. Only her father could control her. Robert really allowed the Lannisters to do whatever they wanted..
i fell like she was already so done with him...she merely asked to know if she should also relieve herself on his grave after .There was no mercy in Cercei at this point. She was just wondering exacly how much she should hate him.
@@mikilacunningham6259She didn't either, she loved rhyghar Targaryen (probably) and this delusional man killed the only man that was going to be the greatest King westros could have especially in fighting the others and possible invaders.
@@johanebrown1764Rhaegar wouldn’t have been the greatest king. He was impulsive and stupid enough to run off with a betrothed noble woman from one of the most powerful houses.
And with that answer he sealed his fate. Cercei thought maybe I’ll give him a chance nope looks like he’s going to be gored by a wild boar. I’m sending Lancel off to get him blinding drunk on that hunt.
Nothing left for her to work with. She didn't want him physically near and she could pursue her own strategies alone. Her ego was hurt by his honest rejection - she is a beautiful and fairly intelligent woman. She really didn't feel anything for Robert right then as he tripped the decision to have him killed. No anger, nothing. Indifference is the true opposite of love and hate.
The fact that he said he wanted Lynna not loved Her. He just wanted her , nothing else. He would still have been same cheating asshole. He was also terrible king. Only because he came after mad king doesnt make him any good. Really feel bad for Cersei here. Any women who go through something like this would become resentful ,angry , vengeful. Robert didnt had any right to destroy a womans life by marrying her when he was obsessed by someone else.
Well Robert didn’t have a lot of choice. Tywin helped him win the war in a big way, he kind of owed him. Plus, at the time, the Lannisters were the richest House in Westeros, and war is seriously expensive. Robert and his allies would have needed financial resources that Tywin was able to provide. Especially since even after dethroning the Targaryens they couldn’t be sure if they wouldn’t end up going to war with Dorne. If Robert had a choice I doubt he would have married Cersei. But that leaves his newly secured rule in jeopardy if he doesn’t have a legally legitimate heir, and of the choices available to him, Cersei was the best choice. But I agree, Cersei had every right to hate him and resist him as much as she was able. And yes- even if Robert had married Lyanna, he wouldn’t have been any different, at least not on his own. Ned would have had to try and restrain his impulses, but bc Robert was King, I doubt Ned would have spoken out of turn to Robert, at least not enough that it would have ever stopped Robert from being unfaithful. If anything, I think Robert would have been even worse with Lyanna, bc she would have never tolerated his behavior lying down. She would have rebelled against him in way she could have, bc Lyanna never stood to be told what to do or what her place was, unlike Cersei, who at least played the part of a dutiful wife/queen in front of others.
Gorgeous music, great lines, and cersei... The way she took a drink of wine after he destroyed her and then said she felt nothing... It all makes sense
If Robert had simply said yes. If he had simply allowed himself to love Cersi she might not have been so fucking terrible. Edit: Didn't think this would be such a controversial opinion lol either way I still believe if Robert had put him pain and loss into his ability to love Cersi and got her away from her Father maybe she wouldn't have been so bad. Not saying she wouldn't do all of the shit but ya know maybe less of it
Right! What pain it brings me to think how it was ruined by speeding through the last little bit of the seasons. I mean, I think the show could’ve ended no other way; however, they just HAD to rush it and say “fuck the writing”
Her face when she asks him if there was ever a moment he might have given her a chance & he says no…….. heartbroken. She then quickly sips her wine and tries hard to pretend it’s fine.
@@inceptionarts2947in the show she had a mind for politics and the ruthlessness to pull it off. She wasn’t as intelligent as Tyrion because she didn’t read as much as him. But she definitely has a mind for ruling and politics.
@@alphachief5425 Lol, she didn't. She didn't know when to make friends and when to make enemies. She was just cruel and intimidating to Sansa for no reason. She just went at Margaery showing she despised her from the get go instead of trying to use her to get what they could from house Tyrell. Cersei wasn't smart or intelligent, she was just a fool with privilege. Had the writing on the show being consistent, she wouldn't have had herself any allies than Euron Greyjoy after she blew up the scept and killed a thousand nobles while disregarding the religion of the 7. Cersei was just ruthless for no reason.
Nah it's said multiple times in the book cersei wanted to be tywin but fell short. She was a wannabe but wasn't actually politically savvy. You can tell in the show by all the stupid things she does out of spite or ego. Something that tywin would never do.
@@Auditioneereman, Tywin acted out of ego all the time. When he had his goons raid the Riverlands, when he mistreated Tyrion, probably when he had Elia's children murdered as revenge for the Targaryens rejecting Cersei. Cersei is mindlessly trying to ape what she thinks is what made Tywin successful: spitefulness, treachery, and cruelty. Indeed, she has reason to think that these habits are correct. She's made it this far, after all.
So what? That's how most the marriages went. Lyanna is the villain of ASoIaF. In the show, everyone thinks Rob is dumb for marrying Talisa, but what Lyanna did was a million times worse.
Robert didn’t love Lyanna. He’s just the typical asshole guy who “wants what he can’t have”. She was pretty, he wanted her, she ran away with someone else and his massive ego couldn’t even fathom that maybe it was because she didn’t want him back. Then he spent the rest of his life bitter about it
@@PhebusdesTours Aenar took multiple wives with him when he left for dragonstone. Aegon I wed both his sisters. A point which Daemon brings up when trying to convince Visyres to wed Rhaenyra to him.
That’s exactly what I always thought - he might have loved her but he adored her and put her on a pedestal when she was gone. And yeah he couldn’t ever have tolerated the thought there was anything else behind the story than a brute kidnapping her and taking her away from him . Which probably hurt him more than the hurt of actually losing her
I believe that Cersei would have turned out different if Robert would have treated her differently. He is partly to blame for the Cersei we ended up getting.
He didn't love lyanna She was an object he coveted and was denied. He was a spoiled high born brat who was never denied anything and she didn't want him and she was taken away.
Taken away? Ran off with a married father of 2 kids (that later got their heads caved in as the final consequence of this adultery), that must be what you mean
Rhaegar f*cked up, and so did Lyanna. I love Targaryens and that's why I'm mad at him and her. They had the AUDACITY no name the child Aegon when Rhaegar ALREADY had boy called Aegon it's like they knew Elia and her children would be killed and they didn't care. Those two are the worst, not to mention the destruction of house Targaryen because of their stupidity. Now in the books we don't know. I still hate Rhaegar tho.
@@julikroos in the books , Jon's real name is still unknown. Pretty sure he is Lyanna's kid because Jon , Lyanna , Arya all have similar faces , we don't know exactly about the Rhaeger affair.
@@subratanandy2142 it's not explicity said that he looks like lyanna but they say he looks like Ned. (I know, Ly is his sister so it makes sense). I love book Jon and I hope he gets to meet Dany ❤️
When she said "doesn't make me feel anything" indicating she doesn't love him at all. The only reason why she wanted to know about the woman is because she was worried there's another heir to the throne 😮
She literally said she loved him at one point. Now no of course not she's only inquiring because she's planning to kill him and have her children in the throne.
That was one of the most completely down to earth , straight forward , honest , no holding back conversations between man and wife. Just too bad it was in a tv show.
She didn’t really love Rhaegar. He was an escape, and a novelty. They’d met once before they ran off. She spoke a big game about how Robert would never be faithful to her, but ran off with a married father of two. Rhaegar symbolised freedom for Lyanna, and, ironically, he killed her
No he's just a pig. He just realized someone was "taken away" from him, and that's the ONLY part that mattered to him. Lyanna never mattered to him. At all. It's only just the fact that he's someone who's got stolen from.
She only asked to hear him say yes or perhaps. His blunt “no”made a gaping hole in ego so vast the Milky Way could fit in! Just a pun that milky way thing!
That is the most cruel, honest dialogue ever committed to film. Tragic, beautiful and painful. They could have had the strongest marriage if his false memory hadn't tricked him into unrequited false love. Liana never felt anything for him and now Cersei can't either.
I literally feel bad for Rhaegar and Lyanna 😢 they were each liked by someone else but couldn't love these people because it wasn't true. They loved each other 😢
Fuck Rhaegar, he left his wife and child to die and started a war so he can get with someone who was already betrothed to someone else. He got what he had coming.
Congratulations, shame about the tens of thousands who had to die because Lyanna decided to be a homewrecker and Rhaegar decided his wife wasn’t enough, so they decide to run away together without telling anyone about it.
Rhaegar kidnapped/groomed a teenager to have a third head of the dragon xDDD fuck that guy, he had a wife and two children. Rhaegar was a cunt who didn't care for the safety of her or anyone else and in the end a young girl, his wife and two innocent children lost their lifes (well, one if you believe that Varys really saved Aegon), not mentioning 1000s of people dying in the war. Rhaegar was so pathetic and dumb.
At the core of their toxic relationship is the fact Robert never loved or even cared for Cersi, admitting it here. It was doomed from the beginning and all of this could have been avoided if he truly tried to make it work with her. The other one to actually be blamed in Ned. This is his best friend, and he never held him accountable for his exploits, knowing he was betrothed to Lyanna. He just stayed quiet.
Interesting that she mentions losing their boy here. Many thought she made that up when telling Catelyn Stark. I wonder if it really happened? We know that at least once they had actual sex (she told Ed Stark about him crawling on top of her and the pain sounded real) before she started using other means to satisfy him without actual sex (mentioned in the book). 🤔
This was my favourite exchange in Season 1. I absolutely loved it and watched it over and over again. The original ambience/sound is more impactful than this music overlay in my opinion but, still an awesome shout back. Thank you.
Fate punished Robert harshly, because he keeps lying to himself that Lyanna was his one true love. In reality he whored as much as he wanted, and that caused her to leave him. She wasn't taken, he removed her with his own infidelity. His own story is a false one.
The writing was the best on TV then. The one thing the show achieved beyond the books was to humanize Cersei. Her motivations were much more complex in the show's early seasons.
Men are so funny… it’s weird that he actually expected Leanna to love him and marry him when he was sleeping around with just about ANYTHING … he had a “reputation” and now he’s crying that she didn’t love him back…. NOOOO he didn’t love her he was just obsessed with winning! Because if he loved her he would never have wanted to share beds with so many other women
@@jctiwc0237 you do know that historically the Targaryens and Dornish had multiple wives? One Targaryen king even married BOTH of his sisters! So yeah multiple wives was not an issue … you can’t be accused of stealing something that rode a dragon to come see you! Lol 😂
I think, the reason why Robert wanted to marry Lyanna so badly was because he wanted to be brothers with Ned. He never was in love with Lyanna, and you can tell specifically because he doesn’t remember what she looked like (and yet Aemon Targaryen can remember the face of his love even after decades of blindness). Also explains why he wanted to join their houses, so they could at least be family by marriage.
It feels like everyone was still behaving like a grown up in Season 1 and then everything devolved into absolute childish madness when Joffrey took the Head of Ned
Idk about that he was a better person but only thing he has on her as a partner is he admits hes horrible still doesnt stop but id id say a hairs with better even after listening to the books i wonder if he wouldve even did anything (as long as it was kept a secret) about him knowing the 3 kids are just hers and not his idk about throwing jamie in the mix though
Maybe if Robert wasn't addicted to whores, Lyanna would have stayed with him. And the war wouldn't have begun. But then again, the mad king was still mad, soooo idk. But i really like this scene, where both are honest and talk plainly with respect for eachother
The figures of the rebellion was the Baratheon, the Starks, the Knights of the Vale, the Tullies. Robbert, Ned, Jhon Arryn and Stannis were the four majors figures of the rebellion. Twin was late, he only fought when the Capital is fallen. Twin was neutral in the war. May be he was afraid that The rebellion ended worse for the rebels. But, when He saw the productivity of the rebels, he came. The freys also was late and the Tullies said that to Lord Frey.
He forever wanted a woman that fell in love with another man who married him in secret and had his son in secret and died on her birthing bed still in love with that other man
This was one of the best interactions/dialogues in this series. It's the first and last time you feel bad for Cersei.
Shame .
I never felt bad for her, only disappointed we didn’t get to see her get arse rammed by the mountain against her will
Shame
Shame
*bell sound*
"And that night he crawled on top of me, stinking of wine, and did what he did, what little he could do... and he whispered in my ear "Lyanna"... Your sister was a corpse and I was a living girl and he loved her more than me." Cersei Lannister
Yeah I’d have hated his guts too if I were her😂
This is the only time I can say about cersei: I don't blame her, just for this
Oof
This is like the yes and no of Cersei Lannister. Yes, it’s humiliating for a newly wed to hear their partner say someone else’s name in bed. Also No, Cersei’s personal vanity is “Really? You love some ugly horse-faced Stark girl more when you have golden-haired perfection like me? Screw you.” That’s Cersei Lannister.
Except.. It was lust, not love. On Robert's part.
In the books Lyanna was bethroed to Robert but his actions of just sleeping around and visiting brothels made her resent him and not want to marry him. None of the male Starks would do that which is why she expected her future husband to not do that as well. When he did, she just began to hate him and realised that he'd keep doing the same even after their marriage so she decided to elope with Prince Rhaegar whom she actually liked and was also liked by.
And also Elia knew so it wasn’t infidelity by Rhaegar. Elia couldn’t have any more children But Rhaegar was obsessed with “the dragon has three heads” so he wanted a third child, a son he and Elia believed would be the Prince Who Was Promised. Lyanna must have known the deal.
@@RustyClumpsI hope so because that would have made her a huge hypocrite. I hope we see something like this in the books.
None of the male starks would do that? Come on not all starks are noble like Ned. Since you read the books you should know Brandon starks, Ned’s brother did sleep around before getting engaged to Catelyn. Its in Theon’s chapters in A Feast For Crows.
@@tanzeelahmed164 There is two theories for me in Brandon case.
Lady Dustin is lying, possible but unlikely.
Rickard Stark did everything in their power to prevent that Lyanna connect with the real world, so she wouldn't know about Brandon being the wild Wolf, different from Robert that everyone know how he was.
A childish girl taken away by tales.
@annavictrix
Also, people seem to forget that she was Oberyn's sister and she was marrying a targaryan.
Given her brother's lifestyle and her knowledge of targaryan history, it's totally possible that she went into the marriage without the expectation of unconditional fidelity.
No one mentioned how Elia looked at the tourney at harrenhall, she might not have even been upset. At least Rheagar cared enough about Elia not force her to keep trying to have another child when it could have killed her.
Instead, it's clearly possible--based in Danys vision at the house of the undying--that he spoke to her ( about having another child, and she knew about his obsession with prophecy and the dragon needing 3 heads. In real life, they might have spoken bluntly about rheagar taking a mistress or even a 2nd wife.
Also, after Robert took over, all Targaryan loyalists were in danger--that included the Danyes and Ashara, who was Elias lady in waiting. Ashara needed to dissappear and so did Arthur Dayne. It makes me really doubt that Ashara committed suicide rather than went into hiding.
And why was Arthur at the tower of joy instead of guarding rheagar at the trident. He might have survived if Arthur had been by his side. But whatever was at that tower was more important to him than his own life.
And how did Ned find out that lyanna was at the tower of joy? Why was she there with rheagar during the majority of the war? Who was bringing them food, who helped lyanna through the birth? The only house nearby was starfall.
And why would the daynes nickname their heir Ned if he actually killed Arthur or did anything to dishonor Ashara.
There's so many questions about the rebellion that when you ask one, you realize another one
You want to know the really horrible truth? Robert was never really in love with Lyanna, he was more in love with the idea of Lyanna. He believed that Lyanna could have been the woman that could have tamed the warrior within him, but no woman could have done that. He would have been loyal to her for a little while but soon enough he would have caught the eye of some pretty serving wench and gone back to his lecherous ways, and Lyanna knew that.
We can fool ourselves, even for a lifetime.
He kill the prince won the rebellion and for 17 years was mourning the death of her. He really loved her
@@alshankhan9091 He barely even met her, killing the Prince and winning the Rebellion has nothing to do with anything.
@@alshankhan9091 lol he saw her as a prize. He never truly loved her.
@@alshankhan9091 no. She became a martyr to him, an ideal that no one else could top. And he clearly didn't love her enough to stop sleeping with serving girls.
It's odd Cersei and Robert didn't bond over this. Considering Cersei was once meant for Rhaegar and he broke that.
They can't. Because they aren't compatible and we're too sunken into their own woes to seek solace in each other's arms.
Rhaegar didn't break it. I believe it was his father, Aerys II. Aerys told Tywin that he would not allow a marriage between them because the Lannisters weren't good enough. When in reality, Aerys was afraid that they would become more powerful than the Targareyn's.
Rhaegars father broke it off
Cersei and Rhaegar were never betrothed. Aerys wouldn’t allow it. Especially after his imprisonment at Duskendale.
Cersei was NEVER meant for Rhaegar. Tywin tried to manipulate Aerys in to betrothing Rhaegar to Cersei but Aerys laughed at him. Aerys may have been completely mad, however he wasn’t stupid enough to betroth Rhaegar to a Lannister.
The sad thing is Lyanna didn’t want him at all and all of horrible things he done just because he thought “she was stollen from him”
What horrible thing did robert do?
@@bodhisatwasarkar9199 He and Tywin Lannister basically murdered all Targaryen family even the babies.. Only Dany and her brother managed to escape
@@eb4771and Jon
@@eb4771while I do think the butchering of the babies was a very cruel the rebellion was absolutely justified. Tywin killed those babies and presented them to robert as gifts to show his loyalty since he didn't take part in the war. So robert has no blood of targ babes on his hands. He did send assassins to murder dany and viserys but he was not successful. So robert has killed 0 babies . The only targ he killed was that idiot rhaegar and he was a married man who stole his betrothed.
@eb4771 Is that why? Wow. I could've sworn Rhaegar and Lyanna's goofy asses left without a word, leading people to believe that she was kidnapped. Lyanna's father and brother are executed by Aerys Targaryen after they head to King's Landing to get justice for Lyanna.
None of this is on Robert Aerys, Tywin, Ned, etc...this is on Lyanna and Rhaegar. The fact they KNEW a war was brewing due to their absence these two idiots should've made their way back to King's Landing to clear their little indiscretions up. Sure, people would be hurt.....heartbroken and embarrassed if you're poor Elia Martell, and indefinitely disinherited, but no war begins.
I love Jon to pieces but no one can ever make me even have a sliver of affection for the two dicks that created him..
It still hurt her. She claims it didn’t make her feel anything. Her face tells a different story. 🍷
I think she's trying to convince herself with the murder plot, and that is the last nail she needed to go with it.
@@william0513, his answer definitely didn’t help him in anyway for sure! 😂🔨⚰️
@@william0513me too, i think the same! Its like she wanted an honest conversation + kinda goodbye + she don't wanna feel she made a mistake ploting his murder now that he said NO
@fam6746 yhh that's all it was, confirmation, she was going to kill him but this just, like everyone said, put the nail in the coffin. And plus I don't blame cersi for it. Girls back then we're groomed to only ever want marriage with some dude that was arranged for them. Kinda sad really. Glad she killed him tho, lol😂😅
@@william0513Same, I think it's clear in hindsight that she decided to kill him right then. She had been considering it because she could not bear to be in their relationship anymore, and his death was the only way to end it and still stay with her children (let alone staying alive), but she much preferred fixing their relationship to ending it, and still had hope it could be possible. She probably struggled with trying to deal with that hope for a long time. But his "no" here dispels her hope once and for all, and she is suddenly hit with the clarity of what she has to do. "It doesn't make me feel anything" is true in the sense that she doesn't feel disappointed or sad or happy about his answer, she has stopped caring and worrying and hoping. She lets him go right in that moment, and his fate is sealed.
It's much like when Lady Olenna talks to Sansa to find out if the rumours about Joffrey is true. When she says it's "a pity" that Joffrey is a monster, she just seems slightly bummed that Margaery's life as queen won't be as easy as hoped, when what she's actually bummed about is that she'll have to go through with the option of killing Joffrey.
The two scenes are obviously alike in the sense that they depict a conversation where one party is told a harsh and disappointing truth, and you feel sorry for them, not realising that they already have a solution for their problem in mind, namely murder, and decide on it in that moment.
One way in which they are not alike, though, is the opposite emotional implications for the two characters. For Cersei, whose worries have been weighing heavily on her, eating at her, and directly impacting her life for a long time, the moment brings relief because she lets go of all her worries in that moment. For Olenna, whose worries were hypothetical, had not yet impacted her life, and might even have turned out to be proven unfounded, the moment brings tension because her worries become solidified in that moment, and not just her initial worries about what Margaery would have to endure if the rumours were true, but also new worries about whether or not she can pull off the big plans, i.e. carrying out the murder without getting caught *and* securing a new betrothal to Tommen, plus having to rely on Baelish not to sell her out at any point in the future.
I feel like I lack a conclusion, but this whole thing is probably long enough already. Thanks to anyone who bothered reading! 🥔
Its no wonder she hated Lyanna so much. She first loved Rhaegal and then Robert and then both of them turned out to be obsessed with Lyanna.
I understand her now why she chose Jaime in the end, bc the other guys she loved both betrayed her, but Jaime always styed by her side til the end.
@@chonabi9642 wth.... they're siblings...wdym you understand why she chose him
@@noone7767 You sound like an 8 year old. If you've watch the show and have some braincells to process stuffs, you'd understand my opinion.
@@noone7767 Maybe that's why. Because she felt like everyone else betrays her. Only a male copy of herself could be trusted :D
@@Evija3000 given that she's a cheater herself...a male copy of her would be worse
Every time I hear her say "what harm could Lyanna Starks ghost do" I see Jon snow
To be fair, still nothing. Job didn't want the iron throne and to be honest I don't think cersei wanted the north, it held very little strategic value and would have created less wars to leave the northerners alone.
She demonstrates this by stateing
Ned stark son is a man of honour. She didn't say bastard. She showed him respect
*Jon Snow and his direwolf, Ghost!
@Apechesh true...the North was vast and large, whomever fought with the North was guaranteed a win, like with the Blacks vs Greens war
@@LadyCheshire95 the best kings are the ones who don’t want to rule the best warriors are the ones who don’t want to fight -Alistair
@@LadyCheshire95I feel like she didn't say bastard because of her own children being bastards
As a character- this was one of Cersei’s best moments. You can feel the depth in her character 😔 what a long journey to her looking out windows drinking wine.
That scene was quite wholesome. They were honest and kind in their ways, to each other... Lovely scene.
I would say honesty and vulnerable but not quite kind. I don't think i ever saw them quite kind to each other.
Have u watched the show?
Bro dont get it twisted, cersei willingly had his child aborted and willingly arranges his death by boar lol
@@joaovictor3312I mean, she did say she tried to love him. This scene just goes to show what led up to all of that hatred and eventually murder.
@@thatcitrusfriend6234 She's a liar though. She always wanted Jaime and power. Robert had power.
Lena Headey is such a phenomenal actress
Yea she was also great in 300 as queen of Sparta ..
YES!!!
I could be over thinking, but i feel that "No" from Robert officially signed his death sentence. Whatever doubt Cersei might have had about taking him out disappeared at that momen, and that's when she decided to kill him come hell or high water.
That was my thought too, Robert signed his death warrant by being honest
No she would have done it either way. She did it to guard the secret of her children's incestuous parentage.
Plus Joffrey was at an age to rule so she didn't need Robert anymore and she had established her power base. She was even outmaneuvering her own family members. Only her father could control her. Robert really allowed the Lannisters to do whatever they wanted..
i fell like she was already so done with him...she merely asked to know if she should also relieve herself on his grave after .There was no mercy in Cercei at this point. She was just wondering exacly how much she should hate him.
It’s so crazy because it was all in his head
He was promised a girl as a child and ran with it... He didn't love her he love the idea of her he didn't even know her.
@@mikilacunningham6259She didn't either, she loved rhyghar Targaryen (probably) and this delusional man killed the only man that was going to be the greatest King westros could have especially in fighting the others and possible invaders.
@@johanebrown1764Rhaegar wouldn’t have been the greatest king. He was impulsive and stupid enough to run off with a betrothed noble woman from one of the most powerful houses.
@@johanebrown1764Rhaegar started a war and destroyed his own house so that h could fuck a teenager he’d met twice. He would not have been a wise king.
And with that answer he sealed his fate. Cercei thought maybe I’ll give him a chance nope looks like he’s going to be gored by a wild boar. I’m sending Lancel off to get him blinding drunk on that hunt.
Nothing left for her to work with. She didn't want him physically near and she could pursue her own strategies alone.
Her ego was hurt by his honest rejection - she is a beautiful and fairly intelligent woman. She really didn't feel anything for Robert right then as he tripped the decision to have him killed. No anger, nothing. Indifference is the true opposite of love and hate.
The fact that he said he wanted Lynna not loved Her. He just wanted her , nothing else. He would still have been same cheating asshole. He was also terrible king. Only because he came after mad king doesnt make him any good.
Really feel bad for Cersei here. Any women who go through something like this would become resentful ,angry , vengeful.
Robert didnt had any right to destroy a womans life by marrying her when he was obsessed by someone else.
Well Robert didn’t have a lot of choice. Tywin helped him win the war in a big way, he kind of owed him. Plus, at the time, the Lannisters were the richest House in Westeros, and war is seriously expensive. Robert and his allies would have needed financial resources that Tywin was able to provide. Especially since even after dethroning the Targaryens they couldn’t be sure if they wouldn’t end up going to war with Dorne.
If Robert had a choice I doubt he would have married Cersei. But that leaves his newly secured rule in jeopardy if he doesn’t have a legally legitimate heir, and of the choices available to him, Cersei was the best choice. But I agree, Cersei had every right to hate him and resist him as much as she was able.
And yes- even if Robert had married Lyanna, he wouldn’t have been any different, at least not on his own. Ned would have had to try and restrain his impulses, but bc Robert was King, I doubt Ned would have spoken out of turn to Robert, at least not enough that it would have ever stopped Robert from being unfaithful. If anything, I think Robert would have been even worse with Lyanna, bc she would have never tolerated his behavior lying down. She would have rebelled against him in way she could have, bc Lyanna never stood to be told what to do or what her place was, unlike Cersei, who at least played the part of a dutiful wife/queen in front of others.
As cersei don't deserve this shi lol
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Theirs wasn’t a marriage for live, it was a marriage to cement alliances. That’s the purpose of marriage at that level of society.
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Gorgeous music, great lines, and cersei... The way she took a drink of wine after he destroyed her and then said she felt nothing... It all makes sense
Ughh, season one dialogue was just *chefs kiss
She had already planned his murder with her cousin by this time, and after this conversation she definitely didn’t regret a bit of it.
One of the greatest conversations between two characters. Just honest. Sometimes hard to hear. But honest.
It wasn’t Lyanna that did it. It was Rhaegar spurning her AND Robert. Two men rejected her over the same girl
If Robert had simply said yes. If he had simply allowed himself to love Cersi she might not have been so fucking terrible.
Edit: Didn't think this would be such a controversial opinion lol either way I still believe if Robert had put him pain and loss into his ability to love Cersi and got her away from her Father maybe she wouldn't have been so bad. Not saying she wouldn't do all of the shit but ya know maybe less of it
you can't force feelings and lying about them is even worse
Except Cersei was always terrible
Unlikely Cersei was always an egotistical narcissist
It is not something you can choose.
I love how she got to be a person in the show tho, in the books she's just... Absolutely vile.
Probably the most human Cercesi ever was. Until the the every end of the clip and she sips the wine and puts the mask back on...
Lena Headey and Mark Addy played off each other so well.
I totally forgot how well written the first seasons were … this show was supposed to be the goat of all shows and they just ruined it
Blame Martin and his refusal to continue writing.
Right! What pain it brings me to think how it was ruined by speeding through the last little bit of the seasons. I mean, I think the show could’ve ended no other way; however, they just HAD to rush it and say “fuck the writing”
Lyanna Starks ghost literally crawled out of the crypt in season 8. Director confirms It was literallly her decrepit body oh my god 😭
What!? Which episode was it?
@@Lunicia_the_crazy_healer ep 3. She thought Gillys baby was her babby Eggon 😭
Jons own mother fighting for night king lmao! 😂😂😂
Yoo where did you read that?? i need to see it for myself 🤣🤣
Man, the way he said- seven kingdoms couldn't fill that void. 💔
He didn’t actually love her his ego got struck by the man who kidnap her 😅😂😂😂😂😂
Her face when she asks him if there was ever a moment he might have given her a chance & he says no…….. heartbroken. She then quickly sips her wine and tries hard to pretend it’s fine.
Everyone talking about Cersei, Robert, Lyanna and Rhaegar suffering the most forgot about Elia Martell, the pride of Dorne...
If Robert could give Cersei a chance, they would be unstoppable. His battle tactics and her political wit…
Political what? Cersei was the stupidest Lannister lol. She had no wit.
@@inceptionarts2947in the show she had a mind for politics and the ruthlessness to pull it off. She wasn’t as intelligent as Tyrion because she didn’t read as much as him. But she definitely has a mind for ruling and politics.
@@alphachief5425 Lol, she didn't. She didn't know when to make friends and when to make enemies. She was just cruel and intimidating to Sansa for no reason. She just went at Margaery showing she despised her from the get go instead of trying to use her to get what they could from house Tyrell. Cersei wasn't smart or intelligent, she was just a fool with privilege. Had the writing on the show being consistent, she wouldn't have had herself any allies than Euron Greyjoy after she blew up the scept and killed a thousand nobles while disregarding the religion of the 7. Cersei was just ruthless for no reason.
Nah it's said multiple times in the book cersei wanted to be tywin but fell short. She was a wannabe but wasn't actually politically savvy. You can tell in the show by all the stupid things she does out of spite or ego. Something that tywin would never do.
@@Auditioneereman, Tywin acted out of ego all the time. When he had his goons raid the Riverlands, when he mistreated Tyrion, probably when he had Elia's children murdered as revenge for the Targaryens rejecting Cersei.
Cersei is mindlessly trying to ape what she thinks is what made Tywin successful: spitefulness, treachery, and cruelty. Indeed, she has reason to think that these habits are correct. She's made it this far, after all.
The first and the last time this married couple empathised with each other. Kudos to the show makers and actors for delivering this epic scene!
Robert was infatuated with the idea of him and Ned being brothers officially. poor Lyanna would have just been a very pretty perk.
So what? That's how most the marriages went. Lyanna is the villain of ASoIaF. In the show, everyone thinks Rob is dumb for marrying Talisa, but what Lyanna did was a million times worse.
@@kingboy280Lyanna, the 15 year old girl, is to blame for the actions of the adult men who started a war?
Robert sealed his fate, in the Eyes of Cersei on this day.
Robert didn’t love Lyanna. He’s just the typical asshole guy who “wants what he can’t have”. She was pretty, he wanted her, she ran away with someone else and his massive ego couldn’t even fathom that maybe it was because she didn’t want him back. Then he spent the rest of his life bitter about it
Lyaana herself is no better than robert going after a married man with 2 children.
@@heartlesslove9084 she didn’t go after him, he pursued her and it wasn’t uncommon or unheard of for Targaryens to have multiple wives.
@randimahoney3289 Yes it was, King Maegor did it but was infamous and considered abnormal for doing so.
@@PhebusdesTours Aenar took multiple wives with him when he left for dragonstone. Aegon I wed both his sisters. A point which Daemon brings up when trying to convince Visyres to wed Rhaenyra to him.
That’s exactly what I always thought - he might have loved her but he adored her and put her on a pedestal when she was gone. And yeah he couldn’t ever have tolerated the thought there was anything else behind the story than a brute kidnapping her and taking her away from him . Which probably hurt him more than the hurt of actually losing her
She killed this role🔥
I believe that Cersei would have turned out different if Robert would have treated her differently. He is partly to blame for the Cersei we ended up getting.
Nah. Cersei was always stupid and wicked. She tortured servants at Casterly rock. She was rude to the witch woman Maggie.
He didn't love lyanna
She was an object he coveted and was denied. He was a spoiled high born brat who was never denied anything and she didn't want him and she was taken away.
Taken away? Ran off with a married father of 2 kids (that later got their heads caved in as the final consequence of this adultery), that must be what you mean
Elia, rhaegar, lyanna, Robert, Cersei, Jamie, Ned, Cat, peter, Lysa, Jon arryn .. Everyone suffered coz of love
Rhaegar f*cked up, and so did Lyanna. I love Targaryens and that's why I'm mad at him and her. They had the AUDACITY no name the child Aegon when Rhaegar ALREADY had boy called Aegon it's like they knew Elia and her children would be killed and they didn't care. Those two are the worst, not to mention the destruction of house Targaryen because of their stupidity.
Now in the books we don't know. I still hate Rhaegar tho.
Robbie
@@julikroos in the books , Jon's real name is still unknown. Pretty sure he is Lyanna's kid because Jon , Lyanna , Arya all have similar faces , we don't know exactly about the Rhaeger affair.
@@subratanandy2142 it's not explicity said that he looks like lyanna but they say he looks like Ned. (I know, Ly is his sister so it makes sense). I love book Jon and I hope he gets to meet Dany ❤️
It’s hard to imagine Ned being friends with Robert. They’re way different from each other.
Lenna is such a great actrees. The expresion of her face look so genuin. Her portrayal of Cersei is incredible.
When she said "doesn't make me feel anything" indicating she doesn't love him at all. The only reason why she wanted to know about the woman is because she was worried there's another heir to the throne 😮
She didn't love him at that point, she used to
She literally said she loved him at one point. Now no of course not she's only inquiring because she's planning to kill him and have her children in the throne.
You're not the brighest star in the Milky Way aren't you
That was one of the most completely down to earth , straight forward , honest , no holding back conversations between man and wife. Just too bad it was in a tv show.
What a scene. If Martin wrote this, he deserves reward upon reward.
“Doesn’t make me feel anything “- she said ready to burst into tears
Yeah :(
He can't remember Liana's face, but he could remember Betsy's teats. Priorities
She never wanted to marry him anyway. It was Rhaegar she wanted
She didn’t really love Rhaegar. He was an escape, and a novelty. They’d met once before they ran off. She spoke a big game about how Robert would never be faithful to her, but ran off with a married father of two.
Rhaegar symbolised freedom for Lyanna, and, ironically, he killed her
@@emilybarclay8831I was talking about cersei
No he's just a pig. He just realized someone was "taken away" from him, and that's the ONLY part that mattered to him. Lyanna never mattered to him. At all. It's only just the fact that he's someone who's got stolen from.
Both of them honest and genuine. It’s funny how you like people when are genuine, whether they are good or bad
She only asked to hear him say yes or perhaps. His blunt “no”made a gaping hole in ego so vast the Milky Way could fit in! Just a pun that milky way thing!
nobody got it.
Her eyes and the way she took that sip put the lie to her ‘Doesn’t make me feel anything.’
That is the most cruel, honest dialogue ever committed to film. Tragic, beautiful and painful. They could have had the strongest marriage if his false memory hadn't tricked him into unrequited false love.
Liana never felt anything for him and now Cersei can't either.
I literally feel bad for Rhaegar and Lyanna 😢 they were each liked by someone else but couldn't love these people because it wasn't true. They loved each other 😢
Fuck Rhaegar, he left his wife and child to die and started a war so he can get with someone who was already betrothed to someone else. He got what he had coming.
Congratulations, shame about the tens of thousands who had to die because Lyanna decided to be a homewrecker and Rhaegar decided his wife wasn’t enough, so they decide to run away together without telling anyone about it.
Rhaegar kidnapped/groomed a teenager to have a third head of the dragon xDDD fuck that guy, he had a wife and two children. Rhaegar was a cunt who didn't care for the safety of her or anyone else and in the end a young girl, his wife and two innocent children lost their lifes (well, one if you believe that Varys really saved Aegon), not mentioning 1000s of people dying in the war.
Rhaegar was so pathetic and dumb.
@@Charlie0l9Love makes you selfish.
@@ΆγγεΤαβ selfish love* babe
If she was honest her answer was always no as well
With how often the Game of Thrones is played, this is one of the most honest conversations in the show.
At the core of their toxic relationship is the fact Robert never loved or even cared for Cersi, admitting it here. It was doomed from the beginning and all of this could have been avoided if he truly tried to make it work with her. The other one to actually be blamed in Ned. This is his best friend, and he never held him accountable for his exploits, knowing he was betrothed to Lyanna. He just stayed quiet.
Robert should have lied to cercei and pretend to actually love her
He was the King of the Seven Kingdoms. Didn't have any compulsion to do so...
No, he shouldn't have lol.
Sugarcoating is not to be expected from someone who is born to a Great House and took everything thats not part of his birthright by force
I loved this scene between them, one of the very few interactions we get with just them that isn’t overshadowed by some argument
To the person who uploaded this video: her name is spelled Lyanna, not Liyana.
Ok Hermione Granger
@@Britt-zt6bi Who?
@@rachelfox8108 Harry Potter? Lol she's one of his best friends
@@Britt-zt6bi Not familiar. Is it from a book? A show?
@Britt-zt6bi Remember... when you mispell people names it makes you look like a fool Ron!!!
I’m surprised awards were not given for this scene. One of the best.
Interesting that she mentions losing their boy here. Many thought she made that up when telling Catelyn Stark. I wonder if it really happened? We know that at least once they had actual sex (she told Ed Stark about him crawling on top of her and the pain sounded real) before she started using other means to satisfy him without actual sex (mentioned in the book). 🤔
I understand him. I loved my dog more than I did my wife. It’s because my dog loved me unconditionally and my wife didn’t.
Lyana didnt even want him
I think she was a witch put a spell on Rob
@@cosmasrealestateconsultantthat’s stupid. Robert was a narcissist and she was the one thing he couldn’t have
"Doesn't make me feel anything"
DOUBT
"7 kingdoms couldn't fill the hole she left behind" that hits deep
First time I feel bad for her.
This was my favourite exchange in Season 1. I absolutely loved it and watched it over and over again. The original ambience/sound is more impactful than this music overlay in my opinion but, still an awesome shout back. Thank you.
Well at least in the show(not read the books) she was very happy and thought was the luckiest on her marriage day to such a handsome man and a king.
They make her way more sympathetic in the tv show. In the books she has zero redeeming qualities.
Fate punished Robert harshly, because he keeps lying to himself that Lyanna was his one true love.
In reality he whored as much as he wanted, and that caused her to leave him.
She wasn't taken, he removed her with his own infidelity.
His own story is a false one.
He was infatuated. The woman he says he loved so much didn’t even know well enough.
Her ghost? Is still haunting the 7 kingdoms. To make this point. Jon Snow and Ghost. Jon Snow is the rightfully king
That dude was worthless. Worst best friend in fiction since ron weasley.
God the conversation where strong then
The writing was the best on TV then. The one thing the show achieved beyond the books was to humanize Cersei. Her motivations were much more complex in the show's early seasons.
Imagine if Cersei had learned the truth about Jon Snow....
even she found out about nothing would've change. She knew that Rhaegar had two children. She loved the idea of marrying Rhaegar just like Robert
That woman can act! Loved her in 300 too
Dude could have prevented all that drama by just lying to her once...
With that last drink she decided yep he s gonna die
The last time Cersei was honest and sane
The only time I felt bad for Cersei
This was the moment Robert's fate was sealed.
You could really see a sliver of her humanity here
Men are so funny… it’s weird that he actually expected Leanna to love him and marry him when he was sleeping around with just about ANYTHING … he had a “reputation” and now he’s crying that she didn’t love him back…. NOOOO he didn’t love her he was just obsessed with winning! Because if he loved her he would never have wanted to share beds with so many other women
No, that's just that character
True, but Lyanna was just as much of a hypocrite considering she stole a married man. Guess she wasn't THAT bothered by infidelity.
Why does that make men funny? It just makes Robert funny.
@@jctiwc0237 It's not unlikely Elia Martell was informed and ok with the arrangement since having multiple partners is normal in Dorne
@@jctiwc0237 you do know that historically the Targaryens and Dornish had multiple wives? One Targaryen king even married BOTH of his sisters! So yeah multiple wives was not an issue … you can’t be accused of stealing something that rode a dragon to come see you! Lol 😂
I think, the reason why Robert wanted to marry Lyanna so badly was because he wanted to be brothers with Ned.
He never was in love with Lyanna, and you can tell specifically because he doesn’t remember what she looked like (and yet Aemon Targaryen can remember the face of his love even after decades of blindness).
Also explains why he wanted to join their houses, so they could at least be family by marriage.
Robert didn't even know lyanna
“Doesn’t make me feel anything.” Yeah, that’s why you asked in the first place.
Wow. I missed this scene. Great moment
With just one line .. he started the game of thrones
cercei: i never loved you!
robert: so do i!
cercei: wait... you cant .... i loved u one...
robert: I never did
cercei: I HATE U
he's hung up on the idea of her and not the girl herself, that's not love
Robert and Ned were the only reason Westeros was in shape after the mad king
It feels like everyone was still behaving like a grown up in Season 1 and then everything devolved into absolute childish madness when Joffrey took the Head of Ned
These two deserved each other.
Idk about that he was a better person but only thing he has on her as a partner is he admits hes horrible still doesnt stop but id id say a hairs with better even after listening to the books i wonder if he wouldve even did anything (as long as it was kept a secret) about him knowing the 3 kids are just hers and not his idk about throwing jamie in the mix though
Maybe if Robert wasn't addicted to whores, Lyanna would have stayed with him. And the war wouldn't have begun. But then again, the mad king was still mad, soooo idk.
But i really like this scene, where both are honest and talk plainly with respect for eachother
Apll because robert couldn't get ned starks female version as wife😂😂😂
Don't insult Ned Stark,Lyanna was a curse
😂😂
The figures of the rebellion was the Baratheon, the Starks, the Knights of the Vale, the Tullies. Robbert, Ned, Jhon Arryn and Stannis were the four majors figures of the rebellion. Twin was late, he only fought when the Capital is fallen. Twin was neutral in the war. May be he was afraid that The rebellion ended worse for the rebels. But, when He saw the productivity of the rebels, he came. The freys also was late and the Tullies said that to Lord Frey.
First season was better than the last 3 combined. This show fell harder than a teenage boy after losing his virginity to the prom queen.
I feel ya Robert! I feel that way today losing my LOVE and still have that HOLE that my HEART has.
He forever wanted a woman that fell in love with another man who married him in secret and had his son in secret and died on her birthing bed still in love with that other man