Why Andor Knew the Guards Weren't Watching Them on Narkina
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- In Andor each scene builds and ads to the final conclusion of the arc. We learn about Andor's understanding of the imperials pretty early on in the series and it returns once again in the Narkina 5 arc.
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Cassian's 'superpower' is an uncanny understanding of how the Empire thinks. That, and a really high perception score.
Cassian’s evolution in 5 words:
Episode 1- Tell me what to do!
Episode 10- Tell them what to do!
Yeah, I guess you read the show's description after all
That is more than 5 words :P
@@Geeksmithing 😜
@@multipass113 🤣 great points though!
In Andor: "They're not listening"
In rogue one, to Jyn: "You think they're listening" "I do"
Near the end of Rogue One when they've transmitted the plans for the Death Star, Cassian asks Jyn, "Do you think anyone is listening?" The Empire hadn't been, but the Rebellion did.
Oh wow this is an amazing tie in
ah ;_;
Brilliant! This show rewards you for paying close attention.
And the best part of that is ... well, that's a defining skill of the titular protagonist Cassian Andor. And when a show does that, the viewer tends to try to take on traits of the protagonist. He pays attention to detail, so we try to pay attention to detail. It's part of how we get into the show. And this show rewards us for it.
Well said! 👏
Meanwhile the rest of disney's stuff is out there screaming PLEASE DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE DETAILS! ITS FUN RIGHT WHO CARES?
Your last point about 'plug-in characters' was spot on. Every character feels so true to themselves, their actions are totally understandable because their motivations and biases are very clearly established. It's great character writing and it calls back to what star wars is really about - individual moments of heroism that come come from anyone in any corner of the galaxy.
I think the best illustration of this was the scene in episode 1 with the corrupt corporate guards. When Cassian accidentally killed the one guard, the other guard suddenly realized that his life was nothing but a liability to Andor. Very minor character, just there for the plot point, but he was very aware that the value of his life had just become negative to the armed and dangerous man he was at the mercy of.
The approach to writing Andor is how I write my own stories. I start with a rough idea of what I want the story to be, the big picture stuff, the setting, the message, the result. Then I generate the characters, I get in their heads, their motivations, who they bump into, who they meet, how it shapes them. And finally, I just let their interactions plot the finer points of the series of events.
You should share some. I mean unless you're selling them.
Share some plz, pastebin or any method really
"show consistent character traits that drive character actions"...Rey: "i bypassed the traits"
Nah.
Disney: I bypassed writers
What writers?
Can't show consistent character traits if you never had a character
"I bypassed paying attention"
@@Chaffee738 like seriously what was anyone's motivation in the sequel trilogy really other than what the story needed them to do
I took it more as Kino not entertaining any talk that would damage crew morale, he knows that the empire isn't listening, but his crew is and he cares about his crew. That's why he silents distention and doesn't answer Andor, because it might get the crews hopes up for an escape and when it fails it will hurt the crew's ability to do their job, getting them punished. It is only once his hope dies for getting out by just serving their sentences that he talks because he now believes that the only way his crew can get out is by escaping.
I can honestly say as an amateur writer, I have had characters go off into a direction I hadn't plan for, sometimes going off the rails.
Don't ever stop writing even if it's for your own enjoyment; it's so easy to lose those embers of creativity if you do stop.
Good for you
Keep going
And when you take a break from writing, you wonder what those characters are up to. It's an awesome feeling when they take on a life of their own.
I really like that Cassian knows that the Empire isn't very effective, so he can succeed by banking on their weaknesses. But I am also really interested to see that change. As we have seen, the Empire is becoming more strict and there are agents within the Empire trying to make it more effective and efficient, cutting fewer corners. So, I can see in the second season a change in dynamics, where Cassian's idea of the ineffective corner-cutting Empire becoming wrong thanks to the protagonists on the Empire's side, making the Empire more ruthless while more effective and focused, making Cassian underestimate them and lose something because of it. It would help develop his character into the more fearful Cassian we see in Rogue-One, the Cassian that is willing to make the tough decisions, willing to kill allies in order to succeed, because at that point he knows that they will not cut-corners, that he cannot bank on the idea that they are ineffective, that he has to do the terrible things because he can't be ineffective either, and he's lost too much to that idea.
The fact that no one is listening frees the writers to make Kino's speech so dramatic.
Andor is a solid show. The only show I currently care about
0:28 Kino Loy is conditioned and he's fearf...
It also probably didn't help that when Cassian first came to Narkina, one of the head guards basically bragged about how little security the facility had or more specifically how the facility required very little security to keep the prisoners in line (or so they thought).
Yeah it also reflects who Cassian is. Why is he so sure no one is listening? Because if he were in the Empires position he wouldn't be either. At least at this point in his evolution towards who he is in Rogue One. Because is anyone in the prison listening? No. But he was wrong-ish about what he told Luthen because the whole reason that Dedra Miro is involved in the show at all is the ISB were paying attention, just not enough to catch him. Thats what makes the show brilliant because Cassian continually tells you through how he sees others who he is and who he is becoming.
Absolutely agree with why fleshing out the character in the first place is so important. Once it’s done, the story writes itself and the characters create their own actions.
That Kino Loy cant swim was a perfect dark twist and very tragic
He knows they're not listening because they couldn't even bother to check if their new prison laborer was wanted for other crimes or not. Andor does the smart thing and doesn't bring this up, just all the other evidence instead.
I like the line about spitting in food not because I have any particular love of spitting more the idea of power at the bottom. it seems like a difficult to stop stuff you to.
STEP ONE: SECURE THE KEYS!
"I can't swim." I love Andor and I can't unhear that line.
Kino Loy has George Lucas hair. ;)
i mean Andor literally explained it in the show like wtf this video even for
Actually... There seems to be a bit of a plot hole in this prison break. The guards had just killed an entire floor of men. So new arrivals should be routed there immediately to fill in the whole floor I'm guessing? Unless they were waiting for a huge influx of prisoners to fill the space at one shot instead of trickling them in, that's my guess...
whos to say the entire floor hasen't already been replaced. this isn't just one prison but likely hundreds, new prisoners aren't sent because of supply but because theres an opening to be filled
@@jam8539 I doubt that: when Andor arrived we saw that the protocol required a certain number of guards to be present for the entry of the prisoner to the floor. Replacing an entire floor would take a much larger group of guards' presence, and it wouldn't be fast because that elevator can only take so many persons at a time. So the replacing of a whole floor either hadn't happened yet, or by happy coincidence the prisoners staged their breakout just after all the extra guards had left. Given how recent it was, it's more likely they haven't replaced the floor prisoners yet but are preparing to do so. Hence why Andor also said this is their best and only chance: they may only have so much time before more guards come to support these ops.
Still had to replace Ulaf.
"Unless they were waiting for a huge influx of prisoners to fill the space at one shot instead of trickling them in, that's my guess..." There's your answer, provided that the floor hadn't been replaced. A slow trickle of prisoners to replace an entire floor would be terribly inefficient. The whole prison system centers around competition; one understaffed table would not be enough to keep things moving. Nor would a few fully staffed tables. In order for their system to work, the prison population for any given floor must be within a certain range.
In order to maintain their working system, they would be better served by filling small vacancies in other floors until they can secure a large influx of prisoners, likely the result of a coordinated transfer from multiple other prisons. If all the new prisoners were noobs, they would need to shuffle some of the workers from various floors to train them all. Getting that floor back in operation requires a serious logistical effort from understaffed guards.
The alternative would be shuffling prisoners from every other floor to get things to the minimum population level required, and even that would be quite the undertaking. Numerous considerations would have to be made: experience, physical condition, individual productivity, time remaining in one's sentence, a number of factors need to be considered when deciding who to move around and their record-keeping was rather poor right from the onset.
Heck, having that many corpses to deal with at once could have overwhelmed their system for disposing of bodies, and they were understaffed to begin with. No, this was definitely not a plot hole.
How is that a plot hole?
How do they know if prisoners are on program or not?
"On program" is a physical position: feet on the floor, eyes forward, hands behind head. I don't know where the term originated, though.
@@fumfering yes, but if nobody's watching, how do they know when prisoners are on program or not. I presume there are sensors in the floor, but they can't show if their hands are in correct position
On Program is a behavior they condition the inmates to perform when they’re in the workshop. The guards can observe their compliance & punish non-compliance there. By disciplining them in the workshops & during “orientation” the guards set an expectation of cause & effect.
The monitors (such as they are in the main control room) only display where the prisoners are & if they’re moving.
My assumption is that they take it for granted that if the prisoners are lined up & standing still, they’re On Program. Same goes for the directive to not talk in the bridge between the dormitory & workshops. I doubt they’ve got microphones setup to listen.
The prison works because the prisoners are convinced it does. It doesn’t have anything beyond the most basic monitoring because they don’t have the staffing to keep an eye on it.
When demanding compliance is the only time the guards look at the camera, and as seen it is a visual eyeball check and can be fooled like when Ulaf was having a stroke.
it is unclear if the camera feed has any audio, or at what quality the video would be. especially considering how grainy SW video feeds usually look with their 70s ascetic tech.
@@CrimsonTemplar2 in episode 10 Andor tells Kino to get on program even though he knows they can't watch
Beat bit of modern Star Wars imo
The prisoners on lvl 2 got punished for saying something.
BOOM! Right on target-
Still feels really weird to me. Panotism is a very basic principle in modern prisons. Narrative speaking makes sense, Andor is solid in that aspect all the way. As a design, that prison has a lot of spaces complicated to control. Yeah, you got the floor system, but clearly not the best design all in all.
I agree. Especially in a society with the tech of the empire. They could easily fill the place with cameras and microphones and have an AI monitor them all.
that not how it really works in starwars, the tech isn't totaly logical , on the one hand insanly sci fi amazing, on the other hand missing allot of things we alreay have just like why couldn't the deathstar find their were people verry obviously sneeking in to get the princess, its not even just a plot hole its more they jsut dont have those kinds of procautions or they dont care to check them and if they wanted to they would need robots and robots are expencive. @@DrAmazing
Yes
I'm sure the finale for season 2 will be epic. I feel like they have something coming to rival that finale in Mando. Will Mon Mothma face Palpatine? Luthen use a light saber? (You KNOW he has some in his shop.) Maz Kanata show up? All of the above? Something else?
Someone knows... Can't wait tho. Great show so far.
Found Star Wars Theory's alt account lmao
I see it mostly as meta commentary on the people working on the show as they too produce industrial goods, though the entertainment industry, working for a corporation that does and supports all the things the show shows as evil and tyrannical. Because they can do whatever they want as long as it doesn't hurt the bottom line even if it's dangerous ideas.
It captures the dystopia of the future perfectly, No one cares about the peons.
This is what happens when you hire writers instead of leaving script writing to a room of chimpanzees with typewriters. Disney needs to move on with this lesson in mind.
I hate the fact that their trying to make the empire lazy.