One of the few cases where we would be like "it's completely fine to completely ignore the source material" and of course its the one case where they pull out all the stops to be true to the original.
Often both we the fans and creators are to black and white when it comes to the topic of "the source material!!!". It's about as over dramatized as the drinkers "the message!!!". Either people go all hard core it's got to be spot on with the source material, or some wildly ridiculous adaptation, but if it turns out good all is forgiven, well by most. If I had to hazard a guess I think they will keep much of the vibe of the first season, and that's a good thing. I'm sure there will be some questionable choices made in the telling of the story, or "the message!!!", but overall I'm looking forward to it.
@@quor2243it’s pretty simple actually. They changed and added stuff to the first season to be more woke because the original game was pretty based. They don’t need to do that to the second season because the second game was already woke as shit due to Niel Drunkmam
amen. I mean you can tell with the last us part 1 was meant to be a stand-alone, but because of it's success they did what Hollywood does and made a second game.
Exactly. A more interesting idea would have been a prequel based around the "20 years later" time skip after the death of Joel's daughter. Instead of an unnecessary sequel, chock full of THE MESSAGE.
@@Adam_Bombz Totally agree. I think it would have been great if it had been a prequel which focused on the years Joel and Tommy spent surviving together. Part of the game’s conflict could be Joel sinking further into darkness and Tommy trying his hardest to pull him back out of it for both their sakes.
It’s what killed it for most people I recommend the show too. Almost did for me but I like seeing the cordeceps virus so I kept at it, but even then it lack a whole lot of it.
A good show I watched was Helluva boss which is the best I've seen in recent years. They clearly have gay characters(if not bisexual) but, it's part of the character still telling a good story without pushing an agenda. Season 1 was good but, the ending to season 2 was disappointing. It's accessible on UA-cam by the channel viviepop.
Ahh The Last of Us where the priority in a post apocalyptic world isn't food, water, or survival but gender politics. Exactly what people worry about at the end of the world.
The anti woke brigade seem to live outside reality when it comes to TLOU2. Those right-wing incels think this game and it's characters are unpopular because they're stuck in their anti-SJW echo chamber. Fact is, Part II is one of the most well written games to ever touch the gaming industry. Don't let fringe anti sjw youtubers fool you. Most people that played the game loved it. That metacritic score is a result of brigading from 4chan incels. Maybe 20-25% of the players were hating on it. The haters are loud but small minority!
The anti woke brigade seem to live outside reality when it comes to TLOU2. Those right-wing incels think this game and it's characters are unpopular because they're stuck in their anti-SJW echo chamber. Fact is, Part II is one of the most well written games to ever touch the gaming industry. Don't let fringe anti sjw youtubers fool you. Most people that played the game loved it. That metacritic score is a result of brigading from 4chan incels. Maybe 20-25% of the players were hating on it. The haters are loud but small minority..
The only “sequel” that would’ve worked for TLOU franchise would’ve been a prequel game following Joel & Tommy during the 20 years before the main story. All the brutal shit they had to do and go through. Would’ve been so interesting.
@@ThatBlueSkull Yeah this. Much more interesting to have "Last of Us" be a setting, with each title focusing on new events and cast. Could even one day track outside the USA. Essentially go the Fallout path, but nah. Let's continue a story that didn't need continuing and ruin all the characters that you originally liked. That'll sell well.
I would love for you to make fun of the actual women in real life to their faces who have bigger muscles than Abby...there are tons of women body builders out there.
God I love the writing from this guy ..." its all about authentic as Zendayas career" and "Pedro likes to wear pink fluffy bounce suits in interviews " haha
Me during season 1: _” I hope they keep it faithful to the original”_ Me during season 2: _” I hope it deviates wildly off path into an actual good story”_
The fact the walking dead at least for the first couple seasons managed to be a better more enjoyable adaption of something much more niche on a lower budget should tell you something about the state of Hollywood.
Big disagree with that, the show fell off a cliff the moment they revealed that everyone was actually infected, like what the hell is the point then? season 1 was great, the finale of season 1 was garbage and kept being garbage after that.
I've seen so many comments of newer viewers who never played the games say "I can't wait to see what they do with Joel and Ellie in season 2". Oh boy are they in for something 😂
HBO is about to release a show with an insufferable girl boss at a point in time when the country is screaming that it is tired of the insufferable girl boss. Don't worry, it'll be fine.
Crazy huh? I was thinking the same thing. This season is being released just as woke culture is finally on the decline. It'll be interesting to see how this goes, I'm sure the majority of people who are unable to think for themselves will fall in line, as they usually do.
@@brainspout3447can’t wait for this woke thing to be over. Let’s be honest it was just corporate marketing like greenwashing decades ago. Just a way to market your product through a prism of feel-good self rightfulness. The issue was actors taking themselves super seriously and weirdos online jumping in it because they finally had a common angle to harass us regular people
@mister-pinkman That's fair. But then if we're being honest, Bella looks like there's something...wrong with her? Doesn't exactly exude capability or intelligence.
The last of us part 2 had one major flaw that I can NEVER get over. Any doctor that immediately goes to: "Let's kill the only living sample we have access to." doesn't deserve the title of doctor. Especially in a world ending scenario like Last of us part 1. No matter what the second game said, Joel was right, the doctors were wrong.
It was a fake decision brought on by poor writing. A "to make the plot happen" moment. TLOU 1 was full of things like that. As you say, no real scientist would want to eviscerate Elle to find a cure. That's voodoo, not science.
Yea. Not to mention the lore is filled with information about the group not being anywhere near a cure & strongly hinting at the fact the Fireflies were internally & externally justifying their deplorable actions under the false premise of working towards a cure. It offered moral propaganda & allowed them to live with themselves while being terrorists to everyone else around them.
That’s just wrong? The option were potential cure or no cure and in the world they were in I can’t imagine the desperation for a cure they had Joel was NOT in the right for killing EVERYONE in the hospital including the only people in that hospital that could make a cure lmao you are just wrong
Honestly the one good thing TLOU2 did was show everybody that The Game Awards are rigged considering it "won" GOTY over games like DOOM Eternal and Ghosts of Tsushima.
@@LyaksandraBlove doom, love tlou. Played multiplayer tlou and Ghost when they had a player base. Playing ghost story now and agree 100% waiting for story to give me something other than find relic, small fight new upgrades.
@@LyaksandraB My guy i keep saying the same thing and people call be crazy... The game goes wildly from fucking amazing to a borefest and back really fast..
7:00 i ABSOLUTELY hated this in the first season... like, how and why? all of a sudden, ellie feels out of character, sparing with adults and talking smug like never before. never listening to what joel says and never obeying. i hated this.
Naughty Dog’s greatest skill is taking perfectly good IP and stripping it of everything the fans loved about it. I still mourn the death of Jak and Daxter from time to time. That game was transcendent and groundbreaking at the time, just as much as TLOU was. What a shame…
@@alexanderulv3886I was kind of hoping to get Jak, Ratchets and Marios forever. It's harder to keep something like the Jak Franchise around when its story is a big part of the game though. They'd have had to introduce new characters eventually. Nintendo doesn't have to do that with Mario because there's no larger Mario narrative connecting games.
@@zoltanzukaly7231 well last year insomniac was hacked where the list of sony's best selling games was leaked, if we combine the first ps3 tlou with ps4 remaster there are 26 million copies where the second had just reached 10 million, it could lead to the fact of the first having more time on the market but this just shows that the second game had good initial sales but inconsistent in the long term while the first was the opposite.
I was just about to write this. I didn't know her before but it would've made so much sense. No offense to Bella Ramsey but it will be confusing to watch an antagonist that looks more like Ellie than Ellie herself.
@@colinholmes7443 I don't know. Seeing her in ...? Justified? Abby seems right. But as Ellie? No. Someone else. No hard feelings against Bella, but yeah, someone else
Hated that the writers went back in part 2 and acted like Ellie’s “ok” was her being naive and not fully understanding the weight of what Joel was saying.
3:05 It was in fact. Neil Druckmann was not the primary writer on the first game and the behind the scenes story is he underminded the woman that did while claiming to be a feminist. Also he wrote himself in as the ladies man in part 2.
I wish I could find the info, but I remember hearing about how much of a hate boner Neil had for Joel in that he wanted him violently killed off in the first game in no less than 4 instances but had to be reigned in by his colleagues. Wouldn't surprise me if he still has a circlejerk session watching Joel getting into the golf club.
@ He was not the “true mind” or whatever that exactly means to you. If you mean main story writer, he was not either. Straley worked on the ps3 game as Game Director, focused on leading gameplay sectors, far from influencing the story, although Druckmann stated their job relation to be “sort of like a marriage”, where they did have many opposing ideas but reached the same game vision in the end. You are just wrong, and trying to convince yourself the two games were not from the same “mind” by attributing all to someone else for the first game is just foolish and ignorant. Do better.
Considering they already completely ruined it in season one in every conceivable way..... no. No it is not. In any fucking capacity. That IS NOT JOEL OR ELLIE. At fucking all.
This would be the best outcome. Unfortunately as Drinker said, it's Neil's baby and he will never admit that he was wrong. Let's just watch the "vocal minority" get pissed off again.
Season one, literally made a whole episode about two dudes in love that was barely implied in the game, thus taking out one of the best characters entirely from the game before we even got the characters interacting with him. I think it’s safe to say “the message” was already heavy handed in season one
Druckman logic: make a girl who’s the key to everything. Put her in a situation where she could literally save the world by finding a good man, find a safe place to settle down, and have Mormon / Catholic levels of kids. So naturally we’re going to turn her into a lesbian girl boss.
I skipped The Last of Us originally like how I skipped K-Pax when friends wanted to watch something. These videos validate my choice further every time.
The Last of us Game did NOT, absolutely DID NOT, need a sequel. Its original ending left everything exactly where it should have been. And my goodness we did not need a tv show from it.
This. A hundred times. The only reason the sequel exists is to shame the people who sided with Joel in the first one and for Neil Druckman to push his weird ideology and fetishes that he couldn't push in the first one (thanks to Bruce Straley, I imagine).
@@thibaldus3if you sided with Joel at the end of the first game then you played a much more boring game than I did. To the point I would question why you find it any good?
@@kevtb874 Almost everyone did. Killing your adoptive daughter in the POSSIBLE eventuality that you can make a cure? When it's shown that others died from the procedure and that you've still failed to make it? That is enough for me to side with Joel. There is even an argument for letting Ellie grow up and have her own children to whom she could pass on her immunity. Of course it's conveniently and cowardly ignored by making Ellie a lesbian, but frankly I think that finding a strapping young lad to have a few romps with and having your own children is still better than dying on an operating table. So get to it Eliie. In the memory of Joel.
@@kevtb874 Man, honestly you make me sick. Anyone with real heart would side with Joel. I'm going to turn the question around to you and ask you the same thing. Why would you find it any good if you didn't side with Joel? That was the entire purpose of the story, to shows Joel's struggle.
They could easily fix tlou2 by making Abby more likable and charismatic, making her more conflicted with what she did, and by making Joels death less brutal. I can imagine a good actress going a long way to making Abby bearable. Also frontload her character building rather than try to do it after everyone hates her. I doubt they will take even those simple steps. I suspect the writers are too busy huffing their own farts to want to take basic steps.
I had the same feeling watching TLOU2 as I watched TLJ. They both did my boys dirty. johnson and druckman, How do these morons land these director jobs? FFS
why should she be conflicted about what she did? Joel was a mass murderer who killed dozens of her friends and most importantly her father while also sabotaging the possible cure. From her POV there is not a lot to be conflicted about, Joel has it coming the way he then did
@darthbroda you're saying that as if Joel was the only killer in the entire world of TLOU when there are crooks far worse than him. Not to mention that the Fireflies were all but perfectly fine with killing his foster daughter when they could have looked for other alternatives that would leave her alive, like using her blood. She doesn't get to have the moral high ground
I loved everything about Abby’s story, and a less brutal death for Joel would have been dumb. But you’re right about the sequence of events. We should have gotten to know Abby more at the start of the game than halfway through.
Bella Ramsey always reminds me of "Odo" from Star Trek DS9, her face appears both fake and somehow unfinished, like an artist who does a quick template sketch and then just... never finishes it. Oddly enough her personality kind of matches that too. an unfortunate truth.
I'm seeing it, it will be like what happened in The Walking Dead when Negan appeared the first time The difference is that Negan was a charismatic villain, and he didn't kill Rick
The walking dead became horrible when Negan appeared. Between the torture porn death of Glenn, over the top acting from Negan and repetitive plot lines along with underdeveloped boring characters it was a joke
@@jamescarr1265It’s what happened in the source material,unfortunately everything that happened after Glenn was not source material and that’s why it felt like a hole in the show.
@@GuiltlessGear they do actually. There's an entire community of people pretending it's some misunderstood masterpiece. Even fucking Tarantino defended it.
@@Matticitt In fairness, I didn't read the whole quote, because I really couldn't be bothered to, but from my limited exposure I thought Tarantino meant it ironically, like "so bad it's fun".
I wonder if they will keep the scene from TLOU2 where a (very) pregnant woman girlbosses the father of the child when he showed concern about her and the kid telling something along the lines that it's her body and her decision, only to get killed soon after.
Reminds me of pregnant Spider Woman.... They shove that sht in to make you worry about the baby the whole time, I swear. It just occurred to me that Leftist don't think it's a baby yet so that's why they don't empathize with the unborn children 😂
Ahh, yes. Because a post-apocaplytic world where breeding-age females are incredibly valuable will *totally* lead to full-on feminist empowerment. Christ. Sorry, that's not how societies work. What a stupid shit-show.
She says "Why would it it be up to Owen?" when Abby asks her if it's really okay with Owen for her to go out on a run with them while pregnant. She also doesn't die "soon" after. She a looong time which had NOTHING to do with that run.
@misterhoobomaster yes and how exactly any of that proves me wrong in any way? It's a shitty and selfish attitude, totally uncalled for and implying that it's her sole decision even though she's not only risking her own dumb life but their kid's too. She eventually dies because of that exact same "imma do whatever I want because imma strong woman that need no man's help" attitude, that's the whole point of how absolutely bonkers the writing of the game is.
It's amazing to see the difference between the fallout tv show and this. Fallout show had an original story which stood on its own, not to mention well cast with talented actors who actually cared about actually making something good.
I never realized how much Bella Ramsey ressembles Abby (instead of Ellie) until seeing Drinker's thumbnail. Maybe they should have cast her in that role instead 😂
@@Vambiche Bad writing is literally to do with the games quality are you a moron? You give the joint main character a pathetic death from a character you don't see in the first game then they force you to feel bad for her and even play as that shit character in a group hat wouldn't last 4 minutes. Nah fuck that, I'm not going to eat up that bullshit but you can.
@@VambicheNah, it was because they killed Joel and did NOT allowed the players to kill Abby, TLOUS 2 is basically Drunkman's high budger fan fiction that everybody had to suffer.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_notable_for_negative_reception#:~:text=and%20confusing%20gameplay.-,E.T.,after%20they%20failed%20to%20sell Please Show me TLOU 2 on this list
Anyone who knows anything about the source material has a bad feeling about this. Anyone who knows about Joel in 1 was likely too smart to watch season 1.
Not really. Other than some pacing problems and a couple of questionable choices by main characters, the story as a whole was fine. People just salty because Joel didn't go down in a "blaze of glory." Like some hero symbol.
@@kooken58 Strongly disagree. Yeah, Joel's death was stinging, but the core problem was the pacing. Having to play as Ellie for 3 in-game days before encountering Abby only to flash back to 3 days prior and play AS Abby up to and against Ellie. Frankly, the game would have been better if it took the Sonic Adventure 2 route of having Abby and Ellie be their own separate stories.
@NotSpecialDude that is a game problem though, one that I tend to agree with, but not necessarily one that is related to the overall story and something the show can avoid.
I only know one person who adored the second game. It was this 16 year old kid in my class who never played the first game, but always talked about how much the second game was a masterpiece. One day I basically told him the game was a massive middle finger to fans of the first game.
@Laughy-Flaaffy I get why people hate the game. I hated it too the first time I played it. But going back to it I changed my opinion. its also sold over 10 million copies, so what you're saying isnt accurate.
Bella Ramsey is absolutely hilarious as Ellie. Ellie in the game was made to grow in the game. She was naive and sweet and became a complete badass. Ellie in the game showed emotion. Bella Ramsey has the same look for every emotion. You can’t tell if she’s angry, sad, happy or confused. She has the same look for everything. And when you point it out, people get mad. She is like Kristen Stewart in the Twilight Movies.
@ I’m saying her facial expressions stay the same. Her voice obviously changes but her face has one look.lol. I didn’t mind her in GOT because she’s a child actor and I usually give them a pass.
That's the most ridiculous thing I ever heard in my life the game does not hate fans is the other way around because explain to me why the so-called fans went after that girl that played Abby amazed the rest of the fans look very bad in comparison
Ellie is supposed to be cute & charming which is what endears her to Joel and reignites his fatherly side. Nobody would want to die for that annoying Bella Ramsey gremlin or care to protect her lol, it’s unrealistic.
It's unrealistic and creepy for an old man to care for a 14 year old because she's cute lol...that is not why Joel started caring for Ellie...the long trip with her and getting to know her made him care for her.
"At least they're trying something new and bold, they're trying to say something instead of just playing it safe!" People used the same nonsense argument to defend Halloween Ends, too. Problem is that trying to say something and trying to do something original and unexpected means nothing if the product ends up being terrible and the thing they're trying to say is actually incredibly stupid. Original or unexpected does not mean good, people keep forgetting this.
Yeah the last of us 2 was the biggest waste in talent, an I.P. money and resources spent on that game could have definitely went to something better. Alot of people harped on Days gone and compared it to TLOU 1 and said tlou was better but i guarantee had Days gone 2 got greenlight, then it would have been 100x's better than tlou 2 which was the worst game ive ever played. So sad too cause the first one was pretty decent, and the second one, graphically looked amazing, gameplay was refined and smooth but the writting all the way through was complete cringe all the way through. The whole first half of the game was a damn lesbian dating simulator, that's all anyone talked about was ellie is gay this, she kissed a girl that blah blah blah nobody cares what about the Zombies, are they dying out are they mutating or getting stronger? They spend so much time focusing on "ellie is gay" they barley touch on anything else for the vast majority of the game. Wasted potention for sure
TLOU2 is an absolute abomination of a video game. The story is dishonest, manipulative, and exploitative just for the sake of Neil Druckman’s moral superiority and lecturing. The game is hostile to its own fanbase and revels in upsetting them. Hell, they even lied and misled the audience in the trailer, when they swapped a line said by the asian guy with Joel saying it. The sad part is that the gameplay itself is amazing. It is fun and engaging. The controls and character animations are fluid. Imagine if it was paired with a story that was written in good faith, and continued with the characters that the fans genuinely loved.
I recommend a TLOU2 video by Closer Look where he analyses every minute detail that makes the story sucky and then rewrites it in a way that makes it beautiful and tragic instead of ridiculous and idiotic.
Eh, I'd disagree. While there are certainly aspects of the story from the second game that I think would be better if changed, it does a lot of things really well. The point of the second game was lost on a lot of people. And it's somewhat understandable because it's a pretty deep cut. But I'll try to explain here: As the player the writers wanted you to understand that the world of the game is unbelievably convoluted. It is not good versus bad. No one is the "good" guy or gal. Everyone is just trying to survive. Which is exactly what that type of environment WOULD be like. And it succeeds incredibly well with that because it forces you into the shoes of the perceived antagonist and makes you consider why these people end up making the decisions they have made. It's actually really interesting on a story telling level if you divorce yourself from the arbitrary love for Joel as a character from the first game/story. Sure, it sucks to see him killed. But that's the point. It makes you heavily invested in a story of revenge only to ultimately make you question your own thought process entirely as a means of understand what these people really are going through. And ultimately if the revenge is worth it. TLOU2 is a very, very deep, human experience, overall. Now, that doesn't mean it's not without issues. The whole cult section and a good amount of Abby's playthrough felt forced along with some of the personal aspects of each character. But overall the game and the story are actually quite good. You just have to look at it from a difficult perspective that story tellers often do not give to their audience. I do agree that the blatant trailer manipulation and studio pandering is/was a problem though. Super shady for such a beloved IP to do some of that stuff during the launch window.
I'm so excited to be reminded of why Joel was so evil for protecting Ellie against people who wanted to murder and dissect her against her own will. That'll be fun.
IIRC the apologists for that position say that dissecting her would have provided a cure for the cordyceps and saved the world, and that Joel knew this when he rescued her and killed them all.
@@Ensign_Cthulhu i bet none of them had a problem in actually impersonating Joel and doing it in the first game. i also guess that after the first game was released none actually expressed criticism about that.
Pedro worked well in Unbearable Weight of Incredible Talent where he was the eccentric rich businessman. When he was having fun, the audience was having fun Too bad that's not how he's used
I've been saying this since Game of Thrones, Pedro Pascal is a charming actor, but he is not a *good* actor. He only works when he is being himself or being completely devoid of character.
I respectfully disagree that TLoUp2 is Neil's baby. The sequel felt like a bunch of man-hating millennials seized the writer's room and tied Neil to a chair and coerced him to put his signature on their script. I can scarcely believe that the same person who wrote the first one wrote the second one outside of extreme duress. That's just me, though.
Thats the little girl boss from GOT that slew the zombie giant, so naturally like the rest of them from GOT they will be shoving her all over the place.
You know you fucked up when you tried making a sympathetic character, but everyone hates them and wants them to die the whole time and when your character has a chance to kill them your character doesn't and walks away even though you definitely wanted that other character dead. The writers of The Last of Us 2 are so tone deaf it's actually baffling.
@@darthraider450 Lol that's pretty funny ngl. Kinda shows they didn't have a vision for the 2nd game while making the first if they didn't have that detail down yet
@@flerbus You were supposed to identify with Abby because she spared Dina when Ellie begged her to stop. She left Ellie and Tommy alive as well. This was after Ellie had killed every person Abby cared about, without mercy, despite one of them being very obviously heavily pregnant. You're supposed to identify with Abby because she finally was able to walk away and Ellie wasn't.
My local Hardies had a girl working there for a bit that looked spot on the same as in game Ellie. I mean like you searched the country for “the Ellie” and found her. I thought in many of our pre-biscuit small talks about saying “Hey you know you look like that The Last of Us gal?” but thought no it would be weird and even more weird having to differentiate “not the one on the tv that looks like a frog.”
Bryan Cranston once discussed how great actors need to have a face which can convey the subtlest of emotions. Bless her heart, but Bella Ramsey possibly has the least capable face of doing this ever.
@@ethancheyne9504 Sophia Lillis would've been good as well, the girl you mentioned (Cailee Spaeny) also AUDITIONED for the role of Ellie but didn't get it. I imagine there was some heavy biases, eg. the fact that Druckmann loves Game of Thrones and used 2 of its cast members to play the lead roles
3:05 to clarify since i know Drinker isn’t big in gaming knowledge. The reason it felt like a completely new team was behind was literally the reason. Every major Naughty Dog head has left the company years before with Bruce Straley, Naughty Dog veteran of 20 years and the Co-Director of Last of Us 1, leaving the Company aswell in 2017. Meaning that the Last of Us part 2 was 100% all Neil Drunkman. No Amy Henning who he can just take her credit and no Bruce Straley who keeps him in check. That’s why LoU2 felt so alienated to the first game.
Why not? He’s good tbh it got to a point it was like he’s in everything but delivered everytime he’s not like Chris Pratt or The Rock where they ended up being nearly in every movie at one point and didn’t do nearly as good, Chris Pratt is decent but not Pedro Pascal.
You need a STRONG Ellie if you're gonna kill Joel. The show does not have a strong Ellie - the show's Ellie relies heavily on her relationship with the show's Joel.
What pisses me off about tlou2 is Abby's dad. He is the entire motivation for abby and he isn't even a complete character. You're telling me that man that would save a zebra that was trapped and injured in a world where food is scarce is the same man that would kill a 14 year old girl minutes within meeting her to "produce a cure" without looking for alternatives. I was expecting them to use tlou2 as a way to explain why they he was in a hurry but they didn't If it was up to me, I'd make abby have a brother that was very recently bitten but hadn't turned when ellie came in, he convinced the fireflies to let him operate as soon as possible thinking she would die anyway but operating early might save his son. For abby, she did not only lose her brother but she lost her father, when all he did was try to save him. And maybe after he died we could've had abby go to his room/home/office and seen a vision board of everything he knew and how he plans to make a cure, even if it is vague or something just to show us he did have a plan.
yes but at that point Abby'd have realized that Joel and his dad acted how they acted for the same reasons, which'd have made her think twice about her right to have her revenge.
That is more believable retcon than what I have seen Naughty Dog did with TLOU: Part II The original game, from what I read into the story, still has the ugly truth about the Cordyceps vaccine that Fireflies are so desparate in procuring, is not a cure but weaponized disease against Fedra settlements and anyone else that doesn't join forces with Fireflies. The TV Show wasn't subtle about this either, just word it differently. And that's why Marlene is kept alive for that purpose, but the fireflies are this close to mutiny, had Joel and Ellie not arrived at Salt Lake City.
Given Druckmann's public statements about "toxic" fans and that he "doesn't care" what we think, I will be boycotting this show. Business 101: Don't insult or talk trash about your customers. There are PLENTY of other zombie shows, some good, some bad and a lot of absolute garbage, but last I checked the creators of those shows weren't unabashed woke wankers.
Really ? Is there a rule about customers not insulting the people that's making a product because that's exactly what happens when last of Us part 2 came out they insulted and harass the actor playing Abby. That alone proves toxic fans does exist you can boycott the show if you want to but the truth is the truth and some of us are willing to watch this
If (c)uckman really doesn't care, he will only say it once and move on But- well, everything he's been sayin the next almost a decade shows otherwise. He is a manchild who tries his best to pretend he doesn't care- but we all know he Google himself everyday
@@animezilla4486And? When TDS-hards people went at Barron Trump as a kid did you use that to deflect any criticism of Donald Trump? Assholes being assholes doesnt mean you get to call everyone who criticizes your slop an asshole. This is far to common a tactic. Signal boost toxic fans and lump *all* critical fans in with them. Thats blantantly dishonest. Its multiple logical fallacies wrapped into one.
don't kid yourself. zombie genre fans are like kaiju fans or mmo fans. so desperate for something good, they will accept any slop given to them out of pure starvation.
I’m not a fan anymore either. I really enjoyed the first game but the second game was just, not it in so many ways. I hope to see just a good season of television, but knowing I already didn’t like the second game which is the source material here I have exceptionally low expectations for this season of television.
And yet some fans are still going to be defending it. It's going to be how it was before when the game first came out with the entire fandom split into two. It's gonna be chaos.
Nothing against Bella as a person. I’m sure she’s nice but she has to be one of the worst casting choices in modern history. I genuinely can’t fathom why they went with her.
@@whaguitarsyup, physically she looks nothing like the game. But what’s even worse is her acting. At least you could kinda look past her physical appearance if she was an incredible actress, but she isn’t. It’s just a dumbfounding decision from the casting director.
@@pse2020 she did a good job playing the stoic queen. That’s it. That’s all she knows how to play. Stoic. She’s not capable of playing anything else. The casting director should have known she couldn’t portray a complex, layered character.
Ok, so I may be living in a cave, but when did this become a thing? Until now, I was blissfully, blessedly, totally unaware this had even been made into, whatever this is. God, I am so glad I do not have cable.
Part 2 sold over 10 million copies in the first couple years, that’s successful. The first game has been out for over a decade and has been re-released twice
One of the few cases where we would be like "it's completely fine to completely ignore the source material" and of course its the one case where they pull out all the stops to be true to the original.
And you know they'll use this as an excuse not to keep to the source material for future projects. It's a full circle of stupidity.
Often both we the fans and creators are to black and white when it comes to the topic of "the source material!!!". It's about as over dramatized as the drinkers "the message!!!". Either people go all hard core it's got to be spot on with the source material, or some wildly ridiculous adaptation, but if it turns out good all is forgiven, well by most.
If I had to hazard a guess I think they will keep much of the vibe of the first season, and that's a good thing. I'm sure there will be some questionable choices made in the telling of the story, or "the message!!!", but overall I'm looking forward to it.
Hollywood has painted itself into a corner by embracing "woke" to begin with, now they are a slave to a master they them selves created
@@quor2243it’s pretty simple actually. They changed and added stuff to the first season to be more woke because the original game was pretty based. They don’t need to do that to the second season because the second game was already woke as shit due to Niel Drunkmam
Lol so true. Ahaha
They said they were going to be loyal to the game (TLOU2). That should tell you everything.
with only a few minor tweaks
tlou2 could have been a good story
PGA Tour: Joel in One
@@flerbusmajor more like
Fuck... - geralt
Drinker's "got a bad feeling about this" but I don't because I ain't botherin' watchin' it.
To be fair there Last of Us never needed any sequels or a show in the first place
Aye
amen. I mean you can tell with the last us part 1 was meant to be a stand-alone, but because of it's success they did what Hollywood does and made a second game.
Exactly. A more interesting idea would have been a prequel based around the "20 years later" time skip after the death of Joel's daughter. Instead of an unnecessary sequel, chock full of THE MESSAGE.
True
@@Adam_Bombz Totally agree. I think it would have been great if it had been a prequel which focused on the years Joel and Tommy spent surviving together. Part of the game’s conflict could be Joel sinking further into darkness and Tommy trying his hardest to pull him back out of it for both their sakes.
Why they choose to cast Mark Zuckerberg as Elle is beyond me
REAL THOUGH
It looks like she's had botox to her entire face. She doesn't really look human.
It’s what killed it for most people I recommend the show too. Almost did for me but I like seeing the cordeceps virus so I kept at it, but even then it lack a whole lot of it.
They hate anything that is beautiful even on fictional characters and "need" to pick these ugly choices
Noooo!! She is so pretty! You people are just against NORMAL humans! I can be fat and ugly and extremely h0rny but I CAN CONQUER THE WORLD!!!
*Disobedient Canine* - formerly known as “Naughty Dog.”
Nah, *Neutered Dog* is the new studio title floating around. Thats their new moniker. 👍
Nutty Dawg
@machinedieselx4767 Neuter Dog is sufficient.
Naughty ZOG
@@darthraider450 hahahahahahah
It's been too long since we got an "Ellie's gay by the way"
It almost brings a tear to my eye
Hey you guys!
I know a girl named Ellie, and she most definitely does not bat from the other side of the plate!
Ellie isn’t gay the apocalyspe happened before that madness became mainstream
She's always been lesbian have you played the game
The show was always gona turn to custard.
I’m not excited for this. I’m exited for Drinker to say:
“Ellie’s gay by the way”. Again!
So who cares
A good show I watched was Helluva boss which is the best I've seen in recent years. They clearly have gay characters(if not bisexual) but, it's part of the character still telling a good story without pushing an agenda. Season 1 was good but, the ending to season 2 was disappointing. It's accessible on UA-cam by the channel viviepop.
@@comet392 >helluva boss
>good show
Exited for movies like...
Rogue Elements: A Ryan Drake Story
@@animezilla4486 Obviously, the morons who made the show. Doh!
Ahh The Last of Us where the priority in a post apocalyptic world isn't food, water, or survival but gender politics. Exactly what people worry about at the end of the world.
That's what always bothered me the most about the second game. When people are struggling to just survive, they aren't worried about anything else.
And beyond pathetic what they snuck into the dlc for the first game.
Coincidentally these are the people that would indirectly cause the apocalypse.
Don’t forget the tren to keep Abby from swinging golf clubs us
Political like that one movie...
Rogue Elements: A Ryan Drake Story
The one time we don't want them to stay accurate to the source material is the one time they're salivating at the chance to do so.
Because it was a woke story to begin with as a game, of course they are gonna stay faithful to their delusions
Dang, good point! 💯
Yup
Neil Fuck-a-mann story writing!
I hope they do, it's a good story. And people need to quit that woke crying where it doesn't fit.
“There was a sequel… Wasn’t as good.”
-Joel Miller
"It was pretty gay." -Joel Miller probably...
Not as good as the masterpiece...
Rogue Elements: A Ryan Drake Story
The anti woke brigade seem to live outside reality when it comes to TLOU2. Those right-wing incels think this game and it's characters are unpopular because they're stuck in their anti-SJW echo chamber. Fact is, Part II is one of the most well written games to ever touch the gaming industry. Don't let fringe anti sjw youtubers fool you. Most people that played the game loved it. That metacritic score is a result of brigading from 4chan incels. Maybe 20-25% of the players were hating on it. The haters are loud but small minority!
@@Porter9992 burp... err... where is the ketchup?
@@Porter9992 Funny how the first game has outsold the sequel by about 30 million units, and these are the 10 year old versions released in 2013/2014
" *The message* "in a grim tone never gets old.
New rule: if a capitalist enterprise like HBO praises communism, they have to give away every dime they make that year.
I hate when they put in the MESSAGE like in...
Rogue Elements: A Ryan Drake Story
What is the message?
@@birchtree14#metoo
The anti woke brigade seem to live outside reality when it comes to TLOU2. Those right-wing incels think this game and it's characters are unpopular because they're stuck in their anti-SJW echo chamber. Fact is, Part II is one of the most well written games to ever touch the gaming industry. Don't let fringe anti sjw youtubers fool you. Most people that played the game loved it. That metacritic score is a result of brigading from 4chan incels. Maybe 20-25% of the players were hating on it. The haters are loud but small minority..
The only “sequel” that would’ve worked for TLOU franchise would’ve been a prequel game following Joel & Tommy during the 20 years before the main story. All the brutal shit they had to do and go through. Would’ve been so interesting.
Or have an entirely new surivivors in the last of us univerise since its an interesting zombie setting
@@ThatBlueSkull Yeah this. Much more interesting to have "Last of Us" be a setting, with each title focusing on new events and cast. Could even one day track outside the USA. Essentially go the Fallout path, but nah. Let's continue a story that didn't need continuing and ruin all the characters that you originally liked. That'll sell well.
No. There are many avenues a sequel or other story could’ve taken. I understand liking that one, but it isn’t the only.
Days gone sounds pretty good when you write it lol
@@GafferPerkele you on that world war z narrative it could be a cool one. Black mirror of apocalyptica
"It's golfin' time" is finally here to take the crown from "It's Morbin' time."
"I once joined a golf club. Then it fell apart, again." - Tommy Cooper
Joel in one! 😂
It's poker time! (No it's not) - ua-cam.com/video/2LqoprkGLGI/v-deo.htmlsi=4oy9B5yWdTTJUoz_&t=54
I never played the Games and never will, but i saw enough reviews and videos to know whats coming and i again only wait for the reviews. ^^
I think it's a bit funnier as "It's puttin' time!"
Pretty disappointed they didn’t cast Brock Lesnar to play Abby 😔
LOL
Brock Lesnar's daughter is actually a spitting image of Abby.
😂🤣😂
Broooooo 🤣 replace the knuckle duster tattoo with a golf club and it's a no brainer
I would love for you to make fun of the actual women in real life to their faces who have bigger muscles than Abby...there are tons of women body builders out there.
God I love the writing from this guy ..." its all about authentic as Zendayas career" and "Pedro likes to wear pink fluffy bounce suits in interviews " haha
Then maybe you should go check out his short film and marvel even more at his "awesome writing " . Even he is ashamed to talk about it.
@@manbearpig7359why did you quote "awesome writing" when he didn't say that? 😂
@@Tha_Thiccness IDK the awesome was implied. That'll work. I'm not an awesome writer 😀
Me during season 1: _” I hope they keep it faithful to the original”_
Me during season 2: _” I hope it deviates wildly off path into an actual good story”_
The fact the walking dead at least for the first couple seasons managed to be a better
more enjoyable adaption of something much more niche on a lower budget
should tell you something about the state of Hollywood.
Season 1 of The walking dead was great. Just wish the network didn't shove the showrunner out.
They are both about surviving the ‘living dead’ during the apocalypse. Same shit, different writers.
Big disagree with that, the show fell off a cliff the moment they revealed that everyone was actually infected, like what the hell is the point then? season 1 was great, the finale of season 1 was garbage and kept being garbage after that.
@@AstroAvenger the point is NOT TO DIE.
I feel about the same with this coming season as I do looking at gas station sushi.
I was gonna say street food from India but this works, too.
Might be edible, but sure as hell questionable if not outright terrible.
Futurama Sandwich except the parasites give you the shits instead of powers
[GASTROINTESTINAL DISTRESS INTENSIFIES]
Apex, NC has really good gas station sushi.
They could save it with the memes if they recast Abby with Pedro Pascal in drag. 😂😂
Peak TV 😂
Or Dylan Mulvaney.
And have an actor of different ethnicity play Abbey's father in every scene without explanation.
i want Terry Cruise to play Abby.
fuck it, just pull out the 500 clones of pedro they have, and have the whole show be pedro pascal.
I've seen so many comments of newer viewers who never played the games say "I can't wait to see what they do with Joel and Ellie in season 2".
Oh boy are they in for something 😂
Bella Ramsey looks more like one of the Engineers from Prometheus than she does Ellie.
Jesus
or the kids in the aerials video by system of a down
@@jimschlat 😂
Or mark zuckerberg
Fact!!!!
You poor bastards that never played the game have no idea what’s waiting for you…
I think most of us watched the Leaks before TLOU2 launched, so we know exactly whats coming.
You mean lucky bastards?
I have better things to do than sit on my ass in front of a TV for hours playing a game. To each is own... but we aren't all gamers here.
I play golf on the weekends
@@Dj-Mccullough That leaker was a hero for that.
HBO is about to release a show with an insufferable girl boss at a point in time when the country is screaming that it is tired of the insufferable girl boss.
Don't worry, it'll be fine.
Crazy huh? I was thinking the same thing. This season is being released just as woke culture is finally on the decline. It'll be interesting to see how this goes, I'm sure the majority of people who are unable to think for themselves will fall in line, as they usually do.
Good point, and Bella Ramsey will be insufferable (and completely un-believable)
@@Bigrhythm4 can’t wait for the memes
@@brainspout3447can’t wait for this woke thing to be over. Let’s be honest it was just corporate marketing like greenwashing decades ago. Just a way to market your product through a prism of feel-good self rightfulness.
The issue was actors taking themselves super seriously and weirdos online jumping in it because they finally had a common angle to harass us regular people
Especially that tlou 2 is one of the most woke piece of "art" in rceent times😂@@brainspout3447
The drinker is portrayed in here at 0:49, bad ass
Casting Katelyn as Abby instead of Ellie and casting Bella instead was imo the most brain dead decision ever.
Kaitlyn Dever does not look like a 14 year old girl. Shes double that age
@mister-pinkman That's fair. But then if we're being honest, Bella looks like there's something...wrong with her? Doesn't exactly exude capability or intelligence.
Younger Kaitlyn would be a perfect Ellie. She has essential played that roll in other series. It is beyond weird that she is playing Abby.
@@mister-pinkmanshe could absolutely pass for 14.
@@mister-pinkman Yeah, but at least she doesn't look like there's something wrong with her either. So...🫤
The last of us part 2 had one major flaw that I can NEVER get over. Any doctor that immediately goes to: "Let's kill the only living sample we have access to." doesn't deserve the title of doctor. Especially in a world ending scenario like Last of us part 1. No matter what the second game said, Joel was right, the doctors were wrong.
It was a fake decision brought on by poor writing. A "to make the plot happen" moment. TLOU 1 was full of things like that. As you say, no real scientist would want to eviscerate Elle to find a cure. That's voodoo, not science.
Yea. Not to mention the lore is filled with information about the group not being anywhere near a cure & strongly hinting at the fact the Fireflies were internally & externally justifying their deplorable actions under the false premise of working towards a cure. It offered moral propaganda & allowed them to live with themselves while being terrorists to everyone else around them.
Joel did their world a service.
That’s just wrong? The option were potential cure or no cure and in the world they were in I can’t imagine the desperation for a cure they had Joel was NOT in the right for killing EVERYONE in the hospital including the only people in that hospital that could make a cure lmao you are just wrong
Exactly.
Honestly the one good thing TLOU2 did was show everybody that The Game Awards are rigged considering it "won" GOTY over games like DOOM Eternal and Ghosts of Tsushima.
I appreciate Druck's 'non-conformist' look. Another Peggie wannabe. In Farcry 5 I see him everywhere and make short work of it. :P
Ghost of Tsushima is a ubi-like chorefest, though.
@@LyaksandraBlove doom, love tlou. Played multiplayer tlou and Ghost when they had a player base. Playing ghost story now and agree 100% waiting for story to give me something other than find relic, small fight new upgrades.
@LyaksandraB I enjoyed it but I agree. Some of the missions were snorefests along with going to the shrines.
@@LyaksandraB My guy i keep saying the same thing and people call be crazy... The game goes wildly from fucking amazing to a borefest and back really fast..
7:00 i ABSOLUTELY hated this in the first season... like, how and why? all of a sudden, ellie feels out of character, sparing with adults and talking smug like never before. never listening to what joel says and never obeying. i hated this.
Naughty Dog’s greatest skill is taking perfectly good IP and stripping it of everything the fans loved about it. I still mourn the death of Jak and Daxter from time to time. That game was transcendent and groundbreaking at the time, just as much as TLOU was. What a shame…
I mourn Jak & Daxter almost every day lol. Especially compared to Ratchet and Clank
@@alexanderulv3886I was kind of hoping to get Jak, Ratchets and Marios forever. It's harder to keep something like the Jak Franchise around when its story is a big part of the game though. They'd have had to introduce new characters eventually. Nintendo doesn't have to do that with Mario because there's no larger Mario narrative connecting games.
@@Receiptevery Jak game did introduce new characters.
A sense a disturbance in the force, its as if Naughty Dog has once more suffering the consequences of decisions
intergalactic
Have they suffered yet? Didn't TLOU2 sell a crapton of copies?
@@zoltanzukaly7231technically yes but not as much as Sony had hoped. To put it into perspective, TLOU2 only sold 1/3 of what TLOU1 did.
@@zoltanzukaly7231 well last year insomniac was hacked where the list of sony's best selling games was leaked, if we combine the first ps3 tlou with ps4 remaster there are 26 million copies where the second had just reached 10 million, it could lead to the fact of the first having more time on the market but this just shows that the second game had good initial sales but inconsistent in the long term while the first was the opposite.
@@SubliminaIMessages and was discounted 80% within a month after launch 😂
Kills me that Kaitlyn Dever got casted as Abby when she was the perfect choice for Ellie
thissssssss
I was just about to write this. I didn't know her before but it would've made so much sense. No offense to Bella Ramsey but it will be confusing to watch an antagonist that looks more like Ellie than Ellie herself.
@@colinholmes7443 I don't know. Seeing her in ...? Justified? Abby seems right. But as Ellie? No. Someone else. No hard feelings against Bella, but yeah, someone else
You do realise that looking like the character does not make someone ‘perfect’ for the role!!!!?????
@@aJediSith Cailee Spaeny as Ellie would be perfect. Bella looks like a mutant.
As long as "THE MESSAGE" is in it HBO will consider it a "win" whatever the numbers play out
Hated that the writers went back in part 2 and acted like Ellie’s “ok” was her being naive and not fully understanding the weight of what Joel was saying.
Big facts. Totally undermines the emotional power of that exchange. We live in upside-down world.
3:05 It was in fact. Neil Druckmann was not the primary writer on the first game and the behind the scenes story is he underminded the woman that did while claiming to be a feminist. Also he wrote himself in as the ladies man in part 2.
Is that Jesse? Or Owen?
wtf is wrong with people that hate part 2, at least don't completely make stuff up
I wish I could find the info, but I remember hearing about how much of a hate boner Neil had for Joel in that he wanted him violently killed off in the first game in no less than 4 instances but had to be reigned in by his colleagues.
Wouldn't surprise me if he still has a circlejerk session watching Joel getting into the golf club.
Bruce Straley is the true mind behind TLOU.
@ He was not the “true mind” or whatever that exactly means to you.
If you mean main story writer, he was not either. Straley worked on the ps3 game as Game Director, focused on leading gameplay sectors, far from influencing the story, although Druckmann stated their job relation to be “sort of like a marriage”, where they did have many opposing ideas but reached the same game vision in the end.
You are just wrong, and trying to convince yourself the two games were not from the same “mind” by attributing all to someone else for the first game is just foolish and ignorant.
Do better.
Season 2 is actually a wonderful chance to discover what would happen if Joel didn't die and the story continued as it was supposed to.
Considering they already completely ruined it in season one in every conceivable way..... no. No it is not. In any fucking capacity. That IS NOT JOEL OR ELLIE. At fucking all.
With Neil Cuckmama in charge, doubt it
Maaaan i wish that to be true 😂
This would be the best outcome. Unfortunately as Drinker said, it's Neil's baby and he will never admit that he was wrong. Let's just watch the "vocal minority" get pissed off again.
That's not gonna happen, we all know that
Season one, literally made a whole episode about two dudes in love that was barely implied in the game, thus taking out one of the best characters entirely from the game before we even got the characters interacting with him. I think it’s safe to say “the message” was already heavy handed in season one
one of the best characters? how was he one of the best characters in the game when hes there for less than an hour and hes a dick
For the second time, critics are going to go to bat for Neil's beloved abortion.
> it'll anger the fans of part 2
"But then there also are the downsides..."
That _is_ the downside. You reactionary babies are the minority, cope.
Druckman logic: make a girl who’s the key to everything. Put her in a situation where she could literally save the world by finding a good man, find a safe place to settle down, and have Mormon / Catholic levels of kids. So naturally we’re going to turn her into a lesbian girl boss.
But humanity caused the fungal apocalypse with their Global Warming TM, so they should not be saved (according to Cuckman).
Lol this exactly
What wrong with that
@@animezilla4486put a chick in it and make her lame
I don't think Druckman is to blame for Ellie being a lesbian. It's shown on the DLC during the first game
I skipped The Last of Us originally like how I skipped K-Pax when friends wanted to watch something. These videos validate my choice further every time.
Bella ramsey looks like a female clone of Mark zuckerberg than she does ellie
So if Mark is Data, does that make Bella Lal?
So I'm not the only one that noticed that. Cool 😂 She looks a lot like the Zuck 😭
She was one of the worst parts about game of thrones
She looks more like Abby than Ellie
Her face looks like a foot. May be she's Rocky Dennis' sister?
The Last of us Game did NOT, absolutely DID NOT, need a sequel. Its original ending left everything exactly where it should have been. And my goodness we did not need a tv show from it.
This. A hundred times. The only reason the sequel exists is to shame the people who sided with Joel in the first one and for Neil Druckman to push his weird ideology and fetishes that he couldn't push in the first one (thanks to Bruce Straley, I imagine).
If there’s one thing that struck a cord with me in the second game, it was its message. “Forgive your enemy” fuck that.
@@thibaldus3if you sided with Joel at the end of the first game then you played a much more boring game than I did. To the point I would question why you find it any good?
@@kevtb874 Almost everyone did. Killing your adoptive daughter in the POSSIBLE eventuality that you can make a cure? When it's shown that others died from the procedure and that you've still failed to make it? That is enough for me to side with Joel. There is even an argument for letting Ellie grow up and have her own children to whom she could pass on her immunity.
Of course it's conveniently and cowardly ignored by making Ellie a lesbian, but frankly I think that finding a strapping young lad to have a few romps with and having your own children is still better than dying on an operating table. So get to it Eliie. In the memory of Joel.
@@kevtb874 Man, honestly you make me sick. Anyone with real heart would side with Joel. I'm going to turn the question around to you and ask you the same thing. Why would you find it any good if you didn't side with Joel? That was the entire purpose of the story, to shows Joel's struggle.
They could easily fix tlou2 by making Abby more likable and charismatic, making her more conflicted with what she did, and by making Joels death less brutal. I can imagine a good actress going a long way to making Abby bearable. Also frontload her character building rather than try to do it after everyone hates her.
I doubt they will take even those simple steps. I suspect the writers are too busy huffing their own farts to want to take basic steps.
That's a good point, but I still have to watch Bella Ramsey fail at the character of Ellie.
I had the same feeling watching TLOU2 as I watched TLJ. They both did my boys dirty. johnson and druckman, How do these morons land these director jobs? FFS
why should she be conflicted about what she did? Joel was a mass murderer who killed dozens of her friends and most importantly her father while also sabotaging the possible cure. From her POV there is not a lot to be conflicted about, Joel has it coming the way he then did
@darthbroda you're saying that as if Joel was the only killer in the entire world of TLOU when there are crooks far worse than him. Not to mention that the Fireflies were all but perfectly fine with killing his foster daughter when they could have looked for other alternatives that would leave her alive, like using her blood. She doesn't get to have the moral high ground
I loved everything about Abby’s story, and a less brutal death for Joel would have been dumb. But you’re right about the sequence of events. We should have gotten to know Abby more at the start of the game than halfway through.
Bella Ramsey always reminds me of "Odo" from Star Trek DS9, her face appears both fake and somehow unfinished, like an artist who does a quick template sketch and then just... never finishes it. Oddly enough her personality kind of matches that too. an unfortunate truth.
I'm seeing it, it will be like what happened in The Walking Dead when Negan appeared the first time
The difference is that Negan was a charismatic villain, and he didn't kill Rick
The walking dead became horrible when Negan appeared. Between the torture porn death of Glenn, over the top acting from Negan and repetitive plot lines along with underdeveloped boring characters it was a joke
@jamescarr1265 100%. His kill on Glenn may as well have been Negan bashing the show itself to death.
@@CorporalGrievous93 exactly. What a terrible death
@@jamescarr1265It’s what happened in the source material,unfortunately everything that happened after Glenn was not source material and that’s why it felt like a hole in the show.
@@jamescarr1265 Nah, Negan was one of the only highlights of later seasons
They made Joel seem like a total psycho in the last episode to retcon him into the second game's Joel.
There was no second game Joel he just shows up is too trusting and dies
No, they didn’t. They made him seem exactly like he was in the game.
If anything though, it made me support him more. Maybe thats just my hatred towards the fireflies though.
@Markunator How do druckmans nuts taste? Lol
which isn’t bad???? like he’s not batman he can’t punch his way out of it😂
TLoU 2 isn't The Last Jedi of video games.
It's Joker 2 Folie a Deux
that analogy works, but people don't pretend joker 2 is good
@@GuiltlessGear they do actually. There's an entire community of people pretending it's some misunderstood masterpiece. Even fucking Tarantino defended it.
@@Matticitt In fairness, I didn't read the whole quote, because I really couldn't be bothered to, but from my limited exposure I thought Tarantino meant it ironically, like "so bad it's fun".
@@TheHalogen131 damn, i need to find it again.
@@Matticitt Nah, don't bother. I'm probably just misinformed, but I don't care enough to correct it.
I've got a bad feeling about this 9:11 long 🤣🤣🤣 was this intentional? 😂
Am I the only one who sees the numbers 911 everywhere, even in the most random places?
@@leipzigergnom in all likelihood you see a lot of numbers, but those are the ones you pay attention to because of emotional significance
@productNine Yeah, I think it's a thing where once your mind thinks it's significant, you start noticing every instance of it.
I wonder if they will keep the scene from TLOU2 where a (very) pregnant woman girlbosses the father of the child when he showed concern about her and the kid telling something along the lines that it's her body and her decision, only to get killed soon after.
Reminds me of pregnant Spider Woman.... They shove that sht in to make you worry about the baby the whole time, I swear. It just occurred to me that Leftist don't think it's a baby yet so that's why they don't empathize with the unborn children 😂
Ahh, yes. Because a post-apocaplytic world where breeding-age females are incredibly valuable will *totally* lead to full-on feminist empowerment. Christ. Sorry, that's not how societies work. What a stupid shit-show.
She says "Why would it it be up to Owen?" when Abby asks her if it's really okay with Owen for her to go out on a run with them while pregnant.
She also doesn't die "soon" after. She a looong time which had NOTHING to do with that run.
@misterhoobomaster yes and how exactly any of that proves me wrong in any way? It's a shitty and selfish attitude, totally uncalled for and implying that it's her sole decision even though she's not only risking her own dumb life but their kid's too. She eventually dies because of that exact same "imma do whatever I want because imma strong woman that need no man's help" attitude, that's the whole point of how absolutely bonkers the writing of the game is.
Neil: “Nah, I have a good feeling about this!”😁
Me: “Yeah, that’s just you…. only you.”🙄
It's amazing to see the difference between the fallout tv show and this. Fallout show had an original story which stood on its own, not to mention well cast with talented actors who actually cared about actually making something good.
I never realized how much Bella Ramsey ressembles Abby (instead of Ellie) until seeing Drinker's thumbnail. Maybe they should have cast her in that role instead 😂
Its so wild when audiences want something to succeed so badly while its own creators intentionally want the opposite.
To be honest, i think this time it is the opposite.
The creators are being forced and paid off to ruin their own stuff. A lot of this woke push came from 3 US Investment Companies.
The creators want it to succeed, they’re just too delusional to understand why it will fail.
Theres a reason tlou 2 was the most returned game in history, until cyberpunk.
source: my favorite clickbaiter youtuber told me
Because people were mad their favorite character died, there's no way you think it had anything to do with the games quality
@@Vambiche Bad writing is literally to do with the games quality are you a moron? You give the joint main character a pathetic death from a character you don't see in the first game then they force you to feel bad for her and even play as that shit character in a group hat wouldn't last 4 minutes. Nah fuck that, I'm not going to eat up that bullshit but you can.
@@VambicheNah, it was because they killed Joel and did NOT allowed the players to kill Abby, TLOUS 2 is basically Drunkman's high budger fan fiction that everybody had to suffer.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_notable_for_negative_reception#:~:text=and%20confusing%20gameplay.-,E.T.,after%20they%20failed%20to%20sell
Please Show me TLOU 2 on this list
Pedro is so safe. He's the acting version of a rubber-johnny!!!!!
As a wise man once said:
*”Everything woke turns to shit”*
John Ringo (2018): "Get woke, go broke."
The once and future president
What is woke?
Everything run by humans turns to shit
@@pleuriglossy3959 define woman
Anyone who knows anything about the source material has a bad feeling about this. Anyone who knows about Joel in 1 was likely too smart to watch season 1.
Yeah, that was what I did.
Not really. Other than some pacing problems and a couple of questionable choices by main characters, the story as a whole was fine.
People just salty because Joel didn't go down in a "blaze of glory." Like some hero symbol.
@@kooken58 Strongly disagree. Yeah, Joel's death was stinging, but the core problem was the pacing. Having to play as Ellie for 3 in-game days before encountering Abby only to flash back to 3 days prior and play AS Abby up to and against Ellie.
Frankly, the game would have been better if it took the Sonic Adventure 2 route of having Abby and Ellie be their own separate stories.
@kooken58 this is legit the same terrible argument TLJ fans made about Luke Skywalkwrs lmao
@NotSpecialDude that is a game problem though, one that I tend to agree with, but not necessarily one that is related to the overall story and something the show can avoid.
You know, I never thought of it that way. Last of Us Part 2 really is The Last Jedi of video games.
Bruh Bella Ramsay as Ellie was such a dumb choice. She’s got the acting range of a potato.
and looks like one honestly
But but she is non binary so its all good
@M11-t4h Yeah...not entirely untrue.
Wow. Like the potato that goes with everything? Cook em mash em stick em in a stew? Fry em? Poor choice of metaphor.
She legitimately did a good job in the show especially in the later episodes.
I think it's gonna be funny when Druckmann realizes mass audiences hate it and there's no gaming media to run cover for it
Unlikely, the asshat will probably prevail and be upstage, despite everyone wanting this to fail
I only know one person who adored the second game. It was this 16 year old kid in my class who never played the first game, but always talked about how much the second game was a masterpiece. One day I basically told him the game was a massive middle finger to fans of the first game.
@Laughy-Flaaffy I get why people hate the game. I hated it too the first time I played it. But going back to it I changed my opinion. its also sold over 10 million copies, so what you're saying isnt accurate.
Lmao. You're serious and that makes it even funnier @jefp65
There's still plenty of media that will run cover for him.
It’s obviously not the best they could come up with. But she checks “boxes”. So that’s obviously how that happened.
I can't wait for 'Grogu-lorian VII, the search for Rey Palpatine'. Starring Christopher Lee's AI enslaved soul as Rey. 😂4:56
Bella Ramsey is absolutely hilarious as Ellie. Ellie in the game was made to grow in the game. She was naive and sweet and became a complete badass. Ellie in the game showed emotion. Bella Ramsey has the same look for every emotion. You can’t tell if she’s angry, sad, happy or confused. She has the same look for everything. And when you point it out, people get mad. She is like Kristen Stewart in the Twilight Movies.
"but she was in Game of Thrones and she was good in that" says every person who overlooks that she also had no emotin in that either.
@ I’m saying her facial expressions stay the same. Her voice obviously changes but her face has one look.lol. I didn’t mind her in GOT because she’s a child actor and I usually give them a pass.
@@pimmyflores8739 bold of you to call it a face
She looks vaguely Down Syndrome-y. Appearance is an important factor in acting. You wouldn't bring a 4'10" person to the NBA just to be nice.
@@pimmyflores8739have you watched episode 8?
TLOU II felt like it hates it fans, sort of like Joker 2, but unlike Joker 2, TLOU II won a many GOTY awards, like WTF.
Ah yes, an inanimate product of voxels and pixels hating humans. Makes sense.
@@tiredeyestooit didn't make itself
@@Drevamora I didn't feel that way at all, awsome game and amazing story for me
That's the most ridiculous thing I ever heard in my life the game does not hate fans is the other way around because explain to me why the so-called fans went after that girl that played Abby amazed the rest of the fans look very bad in comparison
Dopesick: where a young black lesbian supervises a mining crew in West Virginia!? Yep that’s totally believable right!?
honestly, I'm kinda surprised Drinker has never once talked about the Sonic movies.
Ellie is supposed to be cute & charming which is what endears her to Joel and reignites his fatherly side. Nobody would want to die for that annoying Bella Ramsey gremlin or care to protect her lol, it’s unrealistic.
It's unrealistic and creepy for an old man to care for a 14 year old because she's cute lol...that is not why Joel started caring for Ellie...the long trip with her and getting to know her made him care for her.
No. Ellie was pretty acerbic. She only became charming once the two of them started trusting one another.
She has the face only a mother could love
@@alejandrotorresriquelme8714 mother Theresa
exactly
"It's dead, Jim!"
Give it another shock, bones!
@@Christrulesall2 ''For God sake, Kirk...Imma doctor, not an electrician!''
@@Alien_Bones 😂 men of culture I see.
@@rhetorical1488 ☺☺
The defenders of the Last of Us Part 2 are just as insufferable as the defenders of the Last Jedi were
EXACTLY!!!! So very true!
i didn't hear people complaining about saving Ellie from the "scientists" when the first game was praised by everyone.
"At least they're trying something new and bold, they're trying to say something instead of just playing it safe!"
People used the same nonsense argument to defend Halloween Ends, too. Problem is that trying to say something and trying to do something original and unexpected means nothing if the product ends up being terrible and the thing they're trying to say is actually incredibly stupid. Original or unexpected does not mean good, people keep forgetting this.
Yeah the last of us 2 was the biggest waste in talent, an I.P. money and resources spent on that game could have definitely went to something better. Alot of people harped on Days gone and compared it to TLOU 1 and said tlou was better but i guarantee had Days gone 2 got greenlight, then it would have been 100x's better than tlou 2 which was the worst game ive ever played. So sad too cause the first one was pretty decent, and the second one, graphically looked amazing, gameplay was refined and smooth but the writting all the way through was complete cringe all the way through. The whole first half of the game was a damn lesbian dating simulator, that's all anyone talked about was ellie is gay this, she kissed a girl that blah blah blah nobody cares what about the Zombies, are they dying out are they mutating or getting stronger? They spend so much time focusing on "ellie is gay" they barley touch on anything else for the vast majority of the game. Wasted potention for sure
The Last of Us 2 is still a really fun game to play. The story may not be everyone's thing but I enjoy the gameplay.
The girl from Stranger Things and The Whale was the perfect choice for Ellie. I think that in the latter her character was even called Ellie.
"As authentic as Zendaya's career". 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 You just made my day Sir. Thank you very much. 😂😂😂
Mine as well.
How is her career not “authentic”?
@Markunator you are living under this comment section rn. What is r/Cuckoldy down lmao?
@@MarkunatorNot familiar with the phrase MEDIOCRITY, huh?😂
@@Markunator someone's pushing her hard
If you've played the game, than you know the next two seasons are fucked!!
TLOU2 is an absolute abomination of a video game. The story is dishonest, manipulative, and exploitative just for the sake of Neil Druckman’s moral superiority and lecturing. The game is hostile to its own fanbase and revels in upsetting them. Hell, they even lied and misled the audience in the trailer, when they swapped a line said by the asian guy with Joel saying it.
The sad part is that the gameplay itself is amazing. It is fun and engaging. The controls and character animations are fluid. Imagine if it was paired with a story that was written in good faith, and continued with the characters that the fans genuinely loved.
Agree 💯 I still play it because of the fantastic gameplay. Well that and because I got it for 4 bucks 😂
I recommend a TLOU2 video by Closer Look where he analyses every minute detail that makes the story sucky and then rewrites it in a way that makes it beautiful and tragic instead of ridiculous and idiotic.
There was no moral superiority or even lecturing in The Last of Us part two, that was kind of the point.
Eh, I'd disagree. While there are certainly aspects of the story from the second game that I think would be better if changed, it does a lot of things really well. The point of the second game was lost on a lot of people. And it's somewhat understandable because it's a pretty deep cut. But I'll try to explain here:
As the player the writers wanted you to understand that the world of the game is unbelievably convoluted. It is not good versus bad. No one is the "good" guy or gal. Everyone is just trying to survive. Which is exactly what that type of environment WOULD be like. And it succeeds incredibly well with that because it forces you into the shoes of the perceived antagonist and makes you consider why these people end up making the decisions they have made. It's actually really interesting on a story telling level if you divorce yourself from the arbitrary love for Joel as a character from the first game/story. Sure, it sucks to see him killed. But that's the point. It makes you heavily invested in a story of revenge only to ultimately make you question your own thought process entirely as a means of understand what these people really are going through. And ultimately if the revenge is worth it. TLOU2 is a very, very deep, human experience, overall. Now, that doesn't mean it's not without issues. The whole cult section and a good amount of Abby's playthrough felt forced along with some of the personal aspects of each character. But overall the game and the story are actually quite good. You just have to look at it from a difficult perspective that story tellers often do not give to their audience.
I do agree that the blatant trailer manipulation and studio pandering is/was a problem though. Super shady for such a beloved IP to do some of that stuff during the launch window.
@@JohnSmith-rx9vt
Maybe I'll start 1 again. No interest in 2
Bella Ramsey looks like she's 11 and I cant be sold on her as Ellie no matter how hard they try.
I'm so excited to be reminded of why Joel was so evil for protecting Ellie against people who wanted to murder and dissect her against her own will. That'll be fun.
IIRC the apologists for that position say that dissecting her would have provided a cure for the cordyceps and saved the world, and that Joel knew this when he rescued her and killed them all.
@@Ensign_Cthulhu i bet none of them had a problem in actually impersonating Joel and doing it in the first game.
i also guess that after the first game was released none actually expressed criticism about that.
@@Ensign_Cthulhu I thought it was that it was the only possibility to finding a cure but there was no guarantee the procedure would actually work
I don't know. Seeing Pedro Pascal beaten to death with a golf club might have a certain appeal to some.
to be fair it wouldn't be the first time we will get to see his head pop like a watermelon.
😂 that's true
Pedro Pop 1 was great. Pedro Pop 2 is a tall order. 😜
I danced a happy jig when he was finally unalived in Game of Thrones.
@@dudeonyoutube *killed... Jesus, this need to replace perfectly functional and non-retarded words is beyond me.
Pedro worked well in Unbearable Weight of Incredible Talent where he was the eccentric rich businessman. When he was having fun, the audience was having fun
Too bad that's not how he's used
Seems like those are his best roles. Some people are just "bitchmade" and you can't shake that off
I've been saying this since Game of Thrones, Pedro Pascal is a charming actor, but he is not a *good* actor. He only works when he is being himself or being completely devoid of character.
Yeah, exactly. He worked well in that movie. But he doesn't work well in most movies. He works out decently for most roles, but that's about it.
I respectfully disagree that TLoUp2 is Neil's baby. The sequel felt like a bunch of man-hating millennials seized the writer's room and tied Neil to a chair and coerced him to put his signature on their script. I can scarcely believe that the same person who wrote the first one wrote the second one outside of extreme duress. That's just me, though.
We all see it
Well said.
That girl drinker mentioned wrote the first, Neil took over
5:56 - Her face is just weird, I do feel bad for her.
She honestly looks uh..."delayed".
She has the appearance of someone with Downs Syndrome without the Downs Syndrome.
Fetal alcohol syndrome
Thats the little girl boss from GOT that slew the zombie giant, so naturally like the rest of them from GOT they will be shoving her all over the place.
@WestCoastWheelman if only uncle dad kept aunt mom off the bottle a bit longer.
8:08 bro must have skipped episode 3 lol
He said on his podcast he liked episode 3
Two people loving each other isn’t political buddy
@@romancortinas613 it was in this show tho
@@romancortinas613It is
@@romancortinas613funny how gays make it political at every possible opportunity then.
You know you fucked up when you tried making a sympathetic character, but everyone hates them and wants them to die the whole time and when your character has a chance to kill them your character doesn't and walks away even though you definitely wanted that other character dead. The writers of The Last of Us 2 are so tone deaf it's actually baffling.
no , you were supposed to identify with abbey because she played with a dog for a couple minutes...doncha know
And to add shit on top of the cake of the story is the Mc(ellie) get dealt worst outcome after all is said and done.
In the PS3 version her dad was b la k. They race swapped him for the PS4 Remaster and Part Two 😂
@@darthraider450 Lol that's pretty funny ngl. Kinda shows they didn't have a vision for the 2nd game while making the first if they didn't have that detail down yet
@@flerbus You were supposed to identify with Abby because she spared Dina when Ellie begged her to stop. She left Ellie and Tommy alive as well.
This was after Ellie had killed every person Abby cared about, without mercy, despite one of them being very obviously heavily pregnant.
You're supposed to identify with Abby because she finally was able to walk away and Ellie wasn't.
My local Hardies had a girl working there for a bit that looked spot on the same as in game Ellie. I mean like you searched the country for “the Ellie” and found her. I thought in many of our pre-biscuit small talks about saying “Hey you know you look like that The Last of Us gal?” but thought no it would be weird and even more weird having to differentiate “not the one on the tv that looks like a frog.”
PGA Tour: Joel in One
Bryan Cranston once discussed how great actors need to have a face which can convey the subtlest of emotions.
Bless her heart, but Bella Ramsey possibly has the least capable face of doing this ever.
haha now i want to see her have a blank face contest against that dull looking vampire chick😮
Also, why cast a non binary person to play a female.. why not find one that looks like Ellie from the game.
@@alexanderulv3886I always thought that girl who was in the new alien and in civil war would be a great cast as Ellie.
@@ethancheyne9504 Sophia Lillis would've been good as well, the girl you mentioned (Cailee Spaeny) also AUDITIONED for the role of Ellie but didn't get it. I imagine there was some heavy biases, eg. the fact that Druckmann loves Game of Thrones and used 2 of its cast members to play the lead roles
3:05 to clarify since i know Drinker isn’t big in gaming knowledge. The reason it felt like a completely new team was behind was literally the reason. Every major Naughty Dog head has left the company years before with Bruce Straley, Naughty Dog veteran of 20 years and the Co-Director of Last of Us 1, leaving the Company aswell in 2017. Meaning that the Last of Us part 2 was 100% all Neil Drunkman. No Amy Henning who he can just take her credit and no Bruce Straley who keeps him in check. That’s why LoU2 felt so alienated to the first game.
Screw UA-cam censorship
No more Pedro 2026
Why not? He’s good tbh it got to a point it was like he’s in everything but delivered everytime he’s not like Chris Pratt or The Rock where they ended up being nearly in every movie at one point and didn’t do nearly as good, Chris Pratt is decent but not Pedro Pascal.
@ihavethehighground732 nah Pedro is mid at best. I've never been blown away by any of his performances.
@@ihavethehighground732pascal is in more things than Pratt. You probably hate Pratt just because he’s a Christian or some stupid shit
Him as Reed Richards is going to be horrific
Pedro is beta anyways lol
Lego Batman making an appearance on Drinker was an unexpected, but welcome surprise
You need a STRONG Ellie if you're gonna kill Joel. The show does not have a strong Ellie - the show's Ellie relies heavily on her relationship with the show's Joel.
What pisses me off about tlou2 is Abby's dad. He is the entire motivation for abby and he isn't even a complete character. You're telling me that man that would save a zebra that was trapped and injured in a world where food is scarce is the same man that would kill a 14 year old girl minutes within meeting her to "produce a cure" without looking for alternatives.
I was expecting them to use tlou2 as a way to explain why they he was in a hurry but they didn't
If it was up to me, I'd make abby have a brother that was very recently bitten but hadn't turned when ellie came in, he convinced the fireflies to let him operate as soon as possible thinking she would die anyway but operating early might save his son. For abby, she did not only lose her brother but she lost her father, when all he did was try to save him. And maybe after he died we could've had abby go to his room/home/office and seen a vision board of everything he knew and how he plans to make a cure, even if it is vague or something just to show us he did have a plan.
That is such a good suggestion
You're expecting too much of drugman. That mofo just wanted to shove his agenda up the libs' ass.
yes but at that point Abby'd have realized that Joel and his dad acted how they acted for the same reasons, which'd have made her think twice about her right to have her revenge.
That is more believable retcon than what I have seen Naughty Dog did with TLOU: Part II
The original game, from what I read into the story, still has the ugly truth about the Cordyceps vaccine that Fireflies are so desparate in procuring, is not a cure but weaponized disease against Fedra settlements and anyone else that doesn't join forces with Fireflies.
The TV Show wasn't subtle about this either, just word it differently.
And that's why Marlene is kept alive for that purpose, but the fireflies are this close to mutiny, had Joel and Ellie not arrived at Salt Lake City.
Write that book please!
Given Druckmann's public statements about "toxic" fans and that he "doesn't care" what we think, I will be boycotting this show. Business 101: Don't insult or talk trash about your customers.
There are PLENTY of other zombie shows, some good, some bad and a lot of absolute garbage, but last I checked the creators of those shows weren't unabashed woke wankers.
Really ? Is there a rule about customers not insulting the people that's making a product because that's exactly what happens when last of Us part 2 came out they insulted and harass the actor playing Abby. That alone proves toxic fans does exist you can boycott the show if you want to but the truth is the truth and some of us are willing to watch this
If (c)uckman really doesn't care, he will only say it once and move on
But- well, everything he's been sayin the next almost a decade shows otherwise.
He is a manchild who tries his best to pretend he doesn't care- but we all know he Google himself everyday
@@animezilla4486And? When TDS-hards people went at Barron Trump as a kid did you use that to deflect any criticism of Donald Trump? Assholes being assholes doesnt mean you get to call everyone who criticizes your slop an asshole. This is far to common a tactic. Signal boost toxic fans and lump *all* critical fans in with them. Thats blantantly dishonest. Its multiple logical fallacies wrapped into one.
don't kid yourself. zombie genre fans are like kaiju fans or mmo fans. so desperate for something good, they will accept any slop given to them out of pure starvation.
Thanks for the Zendaya's talentless mention. Hate her undeserved fame.
Diversity hire, Hollywood style.
So half of the human working world? Got it.
The Dunkey review. I need no more words. He is the truth
not a last of us fan and i have a feeling that they are going to piss off everyone with this one no matter which way they go.
I’m not a fan anymore either. I really enjoyed the first game but the second game was just, not it in so many ways. I hope to see just a good season of television, but knowing I already didn’t like the second game which is the source material here I have exceptionally low expectations for this season of television.
As you would expect, they go both ways.
And yet some fans are still going to be defending it. It's going to be how it was before when the game first came out with the entire fandom split into two. It's gonna be chaos.
8:40 well Drinker, funny you mention Westworld, 'cause Halley Gross wrote some episodes for it. Post season 1 of course 😂.
Now i gotta find out which episodes. Everything post S1 was absolute fish paste.
@@Dan-ji4db 6 and 7 of the first season actually, contrary to what OP said.
Nothing against Bella as a person. I’m sure she’s nice but she has to be one of the worst casting choices in modern history. I genuinely can’t fathom why they went with her.
IKR That girl could make a train back up and take a dirt road.
@@whaguitarsyup, physically she looks nothing like the game. But what’s even worse is her acting. At least you could kinda look past her physical appearance if she was an incredible actress, but she isn’t. It’s just a dumbfounding decision from the casting director.
cuz she was in game of thrones member
Isnt she the girl from game of thrones? She did an amasing job there...
@@pse2020 she did a good job playing the stoic queen. That’s it. That’s all she knows how to play. Stoic. She’s not capable of playing anything else. The casting director should have known she couldn’t portray a complex, layered character.
They 100% should have recast Ellie this season, its going to be very jarring seeing a young girl beat up grown men 😂
Would have liked the show showing us what Joel and Tommy went through in the 20 years till the first game
Ok, so I may be living in a cave, but when did this become a thing? Until now, I was blissfully, blessedly, totally unaware this had even been made into, whatever this is. God, I am so glad I do not have cable.
I had no idea this was a thing that existed either, really.
TLoU2 only sold about half of what the first game did.
And joke’s on them, cuzI ain’t trying this season.
and was discounted by 80% only a month after launch
@@darthraider450 wait really? so soon?
Yeah, I am not going to watch season 2
It actually sold a third of the total sales of the first game. Not even half.
Part 2 sold over 10 million copies in the first couple years, that’s successful. The first game has been out for over a decade and has been re-released twice