Congrats again, Fran! The PM community is lucky to have such a strong player and brewer like you but damn you for making me have to buy two more Sylvan Library haha Cheers, bro!
I think it´s the best format Magic has to offer by quiet a wide margin. Even if there isn´t any in your area you can play on MTGO! Of course it´s not the same as playing in paper, but there is a great MTGO community that is growing constantly and as you can see is even putting up amazing events, just like this one!
Heck yeah! These video are awesome enough that you inspired me to try out RG Terravore as my next deck for my local monthly tournament! Keep up the awesome content :)
Congrats Fran!! Always good content. The question now is "When will you have the RIGHT Sylvan Libraries art and border?" And this applies to the other cards of course.....
Hahaha I´ve been thinking about it for a while! I have been slowly upgrading my cards that have a reasonable price tag (recently I got proper border Survivals cause they were 1.5 tix each or something like that) but I think it´s a bit too much of a waste to pay literally more than two times as much for the old frame fetches or cards like that. But whenever the old frame versions dip in price a little you can be sure I´ll take advantage of it!
@@fpawluszmtg the spirit of MTG is to pay more for the same card. My foil Japanese Premodern goblin deck is your fault so be nice and let that ticks go away XD
Loved the video Fran. I think my biggest concern here is the burn matchup, since they rarely trigger oath (esp. after g1) and the LD/Sphere plan is really slow. Otherwise I love what I'm seeing
I haven´t played the matchup yet, but I am definitely inclined to agree. Not only everything you mentioned, but also they will have access to multiple Price of Progress in post board games, which are incredible against us. I am not sure what can be done about it besides playing and hoping to draw Zuran Orb in time, which kind of immediately fixes all the problems.
Just finished to watch the video. Wow this clean 9-0!!! Regarding your SB it looks like you scooped the rea/fluctuator match up (people don't play fluctuator on mtgo because of the timer?) 4 fetch with 4 basics I tried this kind of thing a lot and unfortunately it ended very often that I can't use my fetch. (Actually on 6 basics/4 fetch it's smooth probably fine with 5 basics) keen to see your new manabase !!
Sphere+Port+Wasteland+Stone Rains powered up by Mox is a decent plan vs Fluctuator, actually. Tormod´s and Zuran Orb out of the sb help as well. As far as 4/4 fetch/basics split it´s been fine, though I´d definitely like exactly 1 more basic.
I understanding splashing red for Bolt and Earthquake. I don't understand splashing red for Stone Rain when you're already playing multiple copies of the same card in green. The argument you'd make I guess is that R2 is easier to find than GG1. Which is.... Dubious, I guess, given that you have almost twice as many green sources you have of red. Plus then there'd be turns where you want to go Stone Rain and hold up a Lightning Bolt. Or play a LD spell and Earthquake, but you can't, because you only have one source of red. Then there's the colorless argument, where you can cast a Stone Rain with one colored source, and 2 colorless, but that's less relevant, because all your colorless does stuff, so you're probably Porting, or Wastelanding, or leaving Factories up to block, etc. Basically, don't splash a color for spells already in your deck.
I am not splashing red for Stone Rain, I´m splashing for Pyroclasm and Pyroblast. I said in the video that I wasn´t sure I should be playing SR in the first place, this entire list was entirely theory crafter and is not optimal. I agree with what you said, and having thought about it some more I think that I shouldn´t have played Stone Rain at all (on top of all, it´s Hydroblastable, and if you want to protect it with Pyroblast it´s harder to make 2RR than 1GGR).
There was already a RG Terravore deck called Mr. T, which played the same core concept but without Spheres and Oath and with Mongoose and Werebear instead. Considering my first idea of GW came from the same starting principle (a GW deck with Goose and Bear) it made sense that I could work it into GR as well. I´m not the first one to do this, btw, I just think I´m the first one to build it a bit closer to properly (meaning not getting tempted by RR spells like Pillage and building a mana base that works properly with the spell suite). So basically I just worked lessons that I had learned from playing previous Oath decks and applied them to this shell (like playing 4 Libraries). It was entirely theory crafted, but it worked out really well in the end!
My faworit Premodern stremer Fpawlusz whats up man. Have another question to you what deck should I chose to beat my meta: Gr oathponza,goblins,elves,Rdw,rock,ug madness. Im thinking about parallax replenish? Whats your toughts about that?
Replenish is a spectacular deck and looks really well positioned in that meta. I'd also consider UR Devourer (Tom Metelsky's list from the latest Challenge)
Oath is a hell of a card! For me Oath and Survival are my 2 favorite cards to build around, with Eternal Dragon as a close 3rd. So yeah, I´m sorry, but there´s at least a couple more Oath videos coming up, at least while I´m tuning this deck and getting it to a spot I´m happy with... Then I´ll be back to playing a bunch of other decks as usual!
Every format will have its "best cards", it´s just how it works. Oath has a ton of counterplay. I don´t think Ray of Revelation is played enough, for example.@@hellasforever6242
@@fpawluszmtg respectfully, oath does not have counterplay. It says, 'answer me or lose, or don't play creatures'. Ray of revelation is not exactly a splashable card either with Premodern's mana haha
Naturalize, Disenchant, choose your poison. Tsabo's Web is fantastic as well and can be played by most decks. And finally: not all decks need to beat anything. Oath is good against creature decks, yes, that's the whole point. It's like saying "Meddling Mage beats my combo deck". It's what the card is meant to do. Some creature decks can work around Oath and beat it, and some others will struggle a lot. But I have even lost to Mono B Clerics simply because they put a bunch of dudes into play and then killed the 2 Terravores I got from Oath on back to back turns and punched me to death.@@hellasforever6242
Hahaha, in retrospect I think sadly there should be no copies of Stone Rain in the deck, and they should be some additional Thermokarst/Winter´s Grasp. But yeah, hell of a card!
As I explained in the intro it was a very thought out decision based on what I expected the meta to be. And considering that I kind of nailed it and the meta was exactly what I expected (control decks and Goblins) it definitely paid off!
Nice. I like the later iterations of the list too
I think the latest changes I made to the list are really good. And I expect to continue making new changes as the metagame adapts.
Congrats again, Fran! The PM community is lucky to have such a strong player and brewer like you but damn you for making me have to buy two more Sylvan Library haha Cheers, bro!
Thanks Arty, really appreciate it! Sylvan Library is Premodern's best kept secret!
Premodern is such a nostalgic fun format... wish there was more of it in my area
I think it´s the best format Magic has to offer by quiet a wide margin. Even if there isn´t any in your area you can play on MTGO! Of course it´s not the same as playing in paper, but there is a great MTGO community that is growing constantly and as you can see is even putting up amazing events, just like this one!
Heck yeah! These video are awesome enough that you inspired me to try out RG Terravore as my next deck for my local monthly tournament! Keep up the awesome content :)
Nice! The deck is incredibly powerful and incredibly fun as well!!! Hope you enjoy it
First time on the Channel. Loved It!
Welcome! Happy to hear you liked it!
Congrats Fran!! Always good content.
The question now is "When will you have the RIGHT Sylvan Libraries art and border?" And this applies to the other cards of course.....
Hahaha I´ve been thinking about it for a while! I have been slowly upgrading my cards that have a reasonable price tag (recently I got proper border Survivals cause they were 1.5 tix each or something like that) but I think it´s a bit too much of a waste to pay literally more than two times as much for the old frame fetches or cards like that. But whenever the old frame versions dip in price a little you can be sure I´ll take advantage of it!
@@fpawluszmtg the spirit of MTG is to pay more for the same card. My foil Japanese Premodern goblin deck is your fault so be nice and let that ticks go away XD
Hahaha I only wish you weren´t so right xD@@souiukotoka
Loved the video Fran. I think my biggest concern here is the burn matchup, since they rarely trigger oath (esp. after g1) and the LD/Sphere plan is really slow. Otherwise I love what I'm seeing
I haven´t played the matchup yet, but I am definitely inclined to agree. Not only everything you mentioned, but also they will have access to multiple Price of Progress in post board games, which are incredible against us. I am not sure what can be done about it besides playing and hoping to draw Zuran Orb in time, which kind of immediately fixes all the problems.
Just finished to watch the video. Wow this clean 9-0!!!
Regarding your SB it looks like you scooped the rea/fluctuator match up (people don't play fluctuator on mtgo because of the timer?)
4 fetch with 4 basics I tried this kind of thing a lot and unfortunately it ended very often that I can't use my fetch. (Actually on 6 basics/4 fetch it's smooth probably fine with 5 basics) keen to see your new manabase !!
Sphere+Port+Wasteland+Stone Rains powered up by Mox is a decent plan vs Fluctuator, actually. Tormod´s and Zuran Orb out of the sb help as well.
As far as 4/4 fetch/basics split it´s been fine, though I´d definitely like exactly 1 more basic.
Goblin matches were insane.
They always are, Goblins is such a tricky deck!
That was time well spent. Good job!
Glad you enjoyed it!
seems like a really fun format and im always nostalgic for older cards. may have to try it.
If you do I am pretty sure you will not be disappointed. I honestly believe it's the best format Magic has to offer, with the best gameplay.
This deck looks sick
I understanding splashing red for Bolt and Earthquake. I don't understand splashing red for Stone Rain when you're already playing multiple copies of the same card in green. The argument you'd make I guess is that R2 is easier to find than GG1. Which is.... Dubious, I guess, given that you have almost twice as many green sources you have of red. Plus then there'd be turns where you want to go Stone Rain and hold up a Lightning Bolt. Or play a LD spell and Earthquake, but you can't, because you only have one source of red. Then there's the colorless argument, where you can cast a Stone Rain with one colored source, and 2 colorless, but that's less relevant, because all your colorless does stuff, so you're probably Porting, or Wastelanding, or leaving Factories up to block, etc. Basically, don't splash a color for spells already in your deck.
I am not splashing red for Stone Rain, I´m splashing for Pyroclasm and Pyroblast. I said in the video that I wasn´t sure I should be playing SR in the first place, this entire list was entirely theory crafter and is not optimal. I agree with what you said, and having thought about it some more I think that I shouldn´t have played Stone Rain at all (on top of all, it´s Hydroblastable, and if you want to protect it with Pyroblast it´s harder to make 2RR than 1GGR).
Really cool deck, congrats!
Thank you so much!
Damn, thats a great take on oath, where did you get the ideia from?
There was already a RG Terravore deck called Mr. T, which played the same core concept but without Spheres and Oath and with Mongoose and Werebear instead. Considering my first idea of GW came from the same starting principle (a GW deck with Goose and Bear) it made sense that I could work it into GR as well. I´m not the first one to do this, btw, I just think I´m the first one to build it a bit closer to properly (meaning not getting tempted by RR spells like Pillage and building a mana base that works properly with the spell suite). So basically I just worked lessons that I had learned from playing previous Oath decks and applied them to this shell (like playing 4 Libraries). It was entirely theory crafted, but it worked out really well in the end!
Any plans on doing any more streaming?
Not really, streaming is way too time consuming, while I can make UA-cam videos at any time that's convenient for me instead.
Really enjoyed the video
Happy to hear you dug it!
My faworit Premodern stremer Fpawlusz whats up man. Have another question to you what deck should I chose to beat my meta: Gr oathponza,goblins,elves,Rdw,rock,ug madness. Im thinking about parallax replenish? Whats your toughts about that?
Replenish is a spectacular deck and looks really well positioned in that meta. I'd also consider UR Devourer (Tom Metelsky's list from the latest Challenge)
definetly check that out! ThANK YOU :D
@@fpawluszmtg
Love the premodern videos but I gotta say, I'm really over oath of druids haha.
Oath is a hell of a card! For me Oath and Survival are my 2 favorite cards to build around, with Eternal Dragon as a close 3rd. So yeah, I´m sorry, but there´s at least a couple more Oath videos coming up, at least while I´m tuning this deck and getting it to a spot I´m happy with... Then I´ll be back to playing a bunch of other decks as usual!
@@fpawluszmtg hahaha do not apologise, please. I just think the card is OP :-D
Every format will have its "best cards", it´s just how it works. Oath has a ton of counterplay. I don´t think Ray of Revelation is played enough, for example.@@hellasforever6242
@@fpawluszmtg respectfully, oath does not have counterplay. It says, 'answer me or lose, or don't play creatures'.
Ray of revelation is not exactly a splashable card either with Premodern's mana haha
Naturalize, Disenchant, choose your poison. Tsabo's Web is fantastic as well and can be played by most decks. And finally: not all decks need to beat anything. Oath is good against creature decks, yes, that's the whole point. It's like saying "Meddling Mage beats my combo deck". It's what the card is meant to do. Some creature decks can work around Oath and beat it, and some others will struggle a lot. But I have even lost to Mono B Clerics simply because they put a bunch of dudes into play and then killed the 2 Terravores I got from Oath on back to back turns and punched me to death.@@hellasforever6242
Congrats!!!!
Thank you!
Stone Rain
Hahaha, in retrospect I think sadly there should be no copies of Stone Rain in the deck, and they should be some additional Thermokarst/Winter´s Grasp. But yeah, hell of a card!
Very funny that you moved from W to R
As I explained in the intro it was a very thought out decision based on what I expected the meta to be. And considering that I kind of nailed it and the meta was exactly what I expected (control decks and Goblins) it definitely paid off!