Tegeler Konnector Analogue Mastering Matrix In Action
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
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12 year old mastering genius kid is lucky to work for this guy... fun every day!
Arran is lucky to look younger than his age (27) but I am lucky to have him because he is extremely talented indeed.
The contrast of enthusiasm between Doctor Mix and the other guy 😂😂😂
Arran has more measured ways than me, and that’s a good thing indeed :-) Imagine if in the studio everyone was as hyperflamboyant as I am 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I like Arran a lot. But, I also like your flamboyance Dr. Thank you both for such awesome, really informative UA-cam content
If you've ever seen Nathan Barley its like the difference between Barley and Pingu, the guy that works in his 'self-facilitating media node'
That Konnector fascinates me for one thing : It replaces a 142 years old technology, the 1⁄4 inch Jack !
Extreme enthusiasm and Doctor Mix is the same thing. :)
Gotta love your energy, it is impossible to watch one of your videos and not have a smile on your face afterwards 🙂
Man this is phenomenal, loving the energy, keep it up!
If it's about patchbays and making it a *little* less likely that I'm going to die tangled in a pile of cables... I'm there! 😄 That Shadow Hills is SO beautiful! I could watch wiring scenarios for hours. Also, I'm kind of shocked you were using the same patchbays I am, tbh🙃✌️
For a lower price you have the double ins/out with flock audio solution
for just 7000£ you can replace 1 patch bay...
How does this compare to flock? Do they both do same thing?
Thanks for sharing an important tech leap in simple words
I like it, but 2500 euros for a patchbay is a bit excessive.
Not when you are making bank like Dr Mix (and his 12 year old intern) are... :-)
@@pesto12601 When it is your living... indeed why not? I as a hobbyist have been replacing failing patchbays three times over the years. And I only use them now or then. I didn't buy the most expensive stuff, but at least I spent a few hundred bucks on it. And then cables, cables and cables... When it's your profession and you make money with it and use it all day, I am sure it is a good investment. And faster! And time is money in business...
If you can afford all this stuff then 2500€ is nothing
My question is if he's going to buy 2 more, he removed 3 of the Neutrik 16x16 patch bays and replaced them with one 16x16, did he not need the other two?
more like £7000 fo 48 in/outs (1 patch bay) of the cheaper flock audio one..(I have 7 or 8 x 48 patchbay)
Amazing product, amazing video, so much fun!! Thank you guys.
I've bought 7 of these for my studio. Working well!
Really?!! Wow!!
nice system controller 👏😃
Great video as always. Do you have a link to the track that starts at 4:56? It's super groovy, and need to pump it in my house :)
man i love all your video! but you need to keep your pace to review that beautiful gear creme! i use it for mix bus to clear all frequency at once and its so lovely! and i love to hear your professional review for that gear! thank you for all your video!! :)
Great Peace of gear, and great video!
We were playing with www.ntp.dk/ in the later part of the 1980s - part of the operating spec was that it would NOT blow up is accidentally given a feed of 240 volts. But that said the only feed into the NTP Matrix was via a PO316 patch-field, but I concur with the hatred of bantam-patch-fields.
Man, that is a dream come true.
Awesome!
OH NO, DOCTOR. Synth pirates can hack your patch cables any time now. BAD!
Im a newbie, i get why but can you explain more. Thanks
I'll be buying one as soon as some company makes a comparable product for about $1000 less.
That’s nice. Going to get one ☝🏼
Nice. Definitely have my eye on this. Does it allow you to do mid-side encoding as well?
That's pretty sick piece of gear awsum
That's sweet!!!
Great Solution!
Hi Doctor mix , You get rid the prism converters for the Antelope Orion 32? How it sounds vs prism?
TP-LINK Broadband over mains would have been a possibility would it not but you would have to turn off the WIFI on each of the Adapters but you can have up to six such units on the one circuit and each unit can take two Ethernet leads
Great news !!!
How does this compare to flock? Do they both do same thing?
blown away by this video then was blown away even more by the price LOL, traditional patch bay it is
Yeah.. I was impressed at first too.. But then realized that you only got 1 stereo in and out.
"The 8 stereo outboard channels can then be patched into the signal patch in any order. Also Mid/Side is possible."
- Sounds all fine, but just as you said - the price shocked me as well...
For that price.. I could build a 32 stereo in / out, with 64 stereo outboard channels - still with mid / side matrix on every single unit.
Hell, I could even throw in some wet / dry parallel processing on every channel.
I would also make some sidechain busses - if I wanted to sidechain a reverb / delay or other stuff.
Either oldschool relays, analog switches multiplexers, or the AD8113 from Analog Devices to make a X Y switch matrix with all units.
That could easily be build based on arduino with ethernet shield, or a ST32 mcu.
Actually, the hardest part (For me) would be to find a proper way to make a VST GUI, and because I use Ableton, I would properly just end up using Max, and output midi from a semi ugly GUI to the arduino.
Or research into other simple "SynthEdit midi out" concepts.
I am not a C++ programmer, so I would properly not use the JUCE framework - but it would of course be the best solution of the ones mentioned.
But then again, I would rather just buy a RME adat PCIE card, and tons of Behringer ADA8200 adat ADC / DAC converters, and have all my gear have it's own permanent in / out, and just place them as I wish in ableton - lazy? Maybe.. but it would still cost me less, than this blue overpriced arduino switch "wonder box"... lol...
Is that your tune? Great riff and bassline man...
Bro. I had a dream about this!
two and half grand! Holy shit biscuits!
Looks great... I would double check though before connecting vintage style equipment (especially your SHMC with its output transformer array) that it will not harm the unit in any way. I am only saying this because I did a bit of research into using the dangerous music liaison as a similar problem solver..... in the liaisons user manual, there is talk about using bleeder resistors (whatever they are ?!) on certain pieces of hardware gears outputs to prevent spike damage....
I don’t really know what I’m talking about by the way, but I am an avid watcher of your channel and would not want you to get into problems
Cheers
Dave
Optical isolation could be a solution. Fiber perhaps?
Bleeder resistors is often used across capacitor banks in high current power supplies / switch mode power supplies.
Their function is to discharge the capacitors faster, when the power supply is turned off - that way the risk of getting a shock if working on the circuit is smaller (You still check with a multimeter before touching..)
- It is only a safety measure, and will not bring anything useful to the circuit / lower ESR on caps / or anything positive, they will actually waste a small current all the time, when the circuit is on.
To use a bleeder across the output of hardware gear will lower the output impedance, and I think the reason they (dangerous music liaison) advice that, is because they use old school relays for their audio matrix.
- When inductors (also audio transformers) are pulsed / suddently disconnected, like a spring being released, they can cause a huge spike at up to several hundreds or even thousands of volts (Tiny current), which can damage components.
In daily speech, you would call a spike like that for ESD.
If your unit use "old school" relays, it can cause spikes - but so will changing cables in a patchbay, where you disconnect / connect.
Most analog switch multiplexer ICs will have "break before make" and other ESD safety measures, when they toggle state.
Instead of just placing a resistor across the output, then use a TVS diode - that will absorb any spikes - and will have no altering effects on the audio, when the voltage (audio) is less than the TVS diodes voltage.
Space Wolf Music Hello,
Thanks for the reply. Very detailed ! That makes sense now as I believe this unit uses IC’s to control the switching and not relays......
I knew deep down that I didn’t really know enough on the subject to warrant leaving a comment but I was thinking to be better safe than sorry....
May I ask you a question?.... In your opinion, which of the two units; the Konnektor or the liaison, would be the better choice for let’s say controlling a mastering chain.. Which one would do less harm to the signal, if at all....I ask this because I have been interested in either of these two units for a while now.
Cheers again
Dave
@@cretecandi6807 To be completely honest, I just saw the Konnektor earlier, when I answered here - the liaison I first knew about, when you mentioned it.
I mean, both are build for "pro studio gear", and both is meant for exactly this usage.
Also there is nothing bad to say about the specs on the liaison page - THD, noisefloor or crosstalk - it all looks perfectly fine.
Price is "almost the same", but the liaison only got 2 stereo in / out, with 6 stereo inserts - while the Konnektor got 2 stereo and 8 stereo inserts.
To be honest, I would go for the konnektor, because it got more inserts, and you can control it as a plugin.
The liaison is more expensive, less inserts, and you control it on the front panel.
I mean, a box with relays, and push buttons can be build very very cheaply, so if that is "all I wanted", I could do it myself.
By the way, I found the explanation here:
dangerousmusic.com/wp-content/uploads/downloads/liaison-read-this-first-pdf.pdf
The bleeder resistor is for floating output, as in, when the secondary output of the transformer is not connected to ground.
You can do the "fix" with two pull-down 100 K ohm resistors from each output pin.
Positive > GND
Negative > GND
But as they said, is only needed if you use old vintage gear, with a floating transformer output.
Like this:
gyraf.dk/schematics/Disa_91_b21_micamp.gif
And if all your equipment is not on a shared good ground connection, they can have different potential, and when they "meet" aka you switch / connect them together, you can get spikes, hum and ground loops.
Space Wolf Music
Hello again,
Thanks very much for all the info, you have been most kind to give up your time in conversing with me. It’s almost going to be down to a coin toss, but I guess it should be more weighted on the side of the Konnektor given that Tegelar (I believe) sell direct to public so you cut out the middleman’s cost also...
Cheers
Dave
lookin tidy AF !!
By the looks of it, you only get 8 analog ins and outs on that. You would need 3 Konnektors to replace just one of those neutrik patch bays you pulled out... Add to that, the need for software to control the Konnektor. Let's hope you can still use it after 5 or 10 years from now, if Tegeler is still around and supports that unit...
Digital stuff only lasts as long as there is software support, analog lasts forever... Almost 😉
You don’t need software support for the program to work. You can just run an older patch of the software and it’ll still run properly. You can relate that to the many people that still run windows XP since it’s still a superior operating system even if the last update was over a decade ago. Oh you got a new computer? You can still install that older software
Reminds me of the old I/T days. Twinax pigtails hanging out of 5250 emulation NIC's, clustered into a Token Ring MAU's. The 25 pin serial connector is still used here, albeit for audio routing purposes. These 25 pin connectors were discontinued in the commercial A/V industry years ago (Crestron, AMX, etc.). So here's the thing Claudio, I think it would have been better if a fiber protocol converter was used instead of a 25 pin receiver. 48bit/ 192 is pretty damn good in protocol converters used these days. For example using a Cobranet, with it's own built in URL for real time routing mgmt in conjunction with fiber interconnects would be far more versatile, improved signal quality, and reliable. Claudio, just msg me offline and I'll "route" in the right direction if you wanna look into this. Saluti !
That's a nice thing, how does it work on the inside? Very Curious.....
afortunado bendiciones
Can two or more units be slaved together? The unit seems over priced like most things out of Germany and the specialized cables makes it necessary to order backups. I think some kid with an Arduino and a hand full of off the shelf electrical components can build one for far less.
Yes, but with no warranty and nobody knows how long it takes the kid to repair the stuff when it is broken one day. It is not a bad thing to sometimes pay for luxury or to make life more easy :-)
Can you use this to connector hardware synths to different preamps also?
hi, it seemed to me to see a sound card Discret Antelope 4 on your desk, could you give your opinion on this sound card? I need to acquire some but I have some difficulties to decide me.... Thanks
GUAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUU!!!! NICE!
This is hot ! Kinda need it. Last time almost blown my tweeters :) :D
if ya don't want that patch bay ill take it :D
Woa, only 2.500€. Thats cheaper than I expected!
nice unit. thanks for the video. this will be my next studio investment. or at least in the near future. is your analog summing fat bustard integrated into the whole process? I would be very interested in how you use this beautiful device. I use the dangerous music 2bus+.
Yes, the fat bustard is wired straight into the Orion. It’s just the mastering chain that goes through the Konnektor
@@Doctormix OK. very nice. Thanks for the answer. Greetings from Germany. where the beautiful tegeler comes from. :)
Jeeee
Great vid
How much for the old patch bay?
Why would anyone not use a 1Gbps switch in 2020?
and the ssl x patch ?
Please don't turn this channel in to an advertising channel. I was drawn in by your passion for music and enjoy watching you play, not to see a bunch of stealth advertisements. :-\
Actually I approached this company :-) I wanted the gear because I loved it. So I don’t feel bat at all about it !!!!
@@Doctormix I always known your channel as advertising your business and services 🤔. The love for music and performance was a bonus 🙌. That person must be new to the channel. Love it and you should do a walk through of a 2020 setup of your studio and staff. That would be great, as success inspires me. Thanks for the videos 😊
That was a 10/100 switch. It's gonna be slow if you do data over it
Can I have your old patch bay?? Lol. But for real man.
If U want to make music u have to be a NASA enginneer before. Like DOCTOR mix 😁
How are you sale beats?
"yes baby"
This could already be done with a ,dmx from friendship for years now
Cuel
holy XLR
I don't get it. I can do this with Cubase without 3rd party tools. Just create single, external effects/instruments and you can use them like plugins in Cubase.
and to a round of ADDA conversion every time? silly rabbit.
@@Rareos I do not see any issues.
@@chrisstheboerg so if you had 8 analog devices, you’d be fine with converting 16 times to chain them? Also, the latency.
When you're going to giveaway the c64?
Gotta finish it first!!
@@Doctormix ok
Send the old 1/4" / 6,35 mm patch cables to lookmumnocomputer :D
Wow this is very very expensive. It cost an eye and arm. :)
Kraftwerk comes from Germany ... Tegeler too ( Kraftwerk kommt aus Deutschland ... Tegeler auch)
Flock Audio seems to have a better solution.
1:12 viewers, lower your sound or the people you live with with think you’re watching porn. Also, got the video version of this router-or as you Europeans pronounce it incorrectly “ROOTER”😆-these things make life so much easier. Hopefully this audio version has what are called Salvos-preset groups of routes that you can set with a single press of a click in a web browser.
Don't worry. I accidently watched the world's strongest Man competition last night on UA-cam and my wife thought I was watching hardcore gay porn.
yeah..very cheap 2.499,00 £...is something very accesible for all studios..lol cheers
Very nice but never buy a cheap network switch in a pro environment. That will bite you in the ass in the future.
Oh dear, I won't one 😅
Neutrik paychbays suck indeed. That is why i got samson. Patching is the most fun. Clicky clicky on the computer is soo boring...
Adesso devi motorizzare tutti i knob di tutti i rack, altrimenti hai un recall parziale!
studio complete.. no more G.A.S. 😂
If you find yourself broke, I will buy your Shadow Hills compressor for £20 :)
100/10 is kinda slow in 2020 but anyway
Put it in, oh baby, take it out. I may have to report this channel 🙀😹😹
First
A router
haa third :D
This „one word answer guy” is... strange.
Arran is awesome and a very fine sound engineer 🙌