Thanks Jerry for all your time and effort you have put into these "how to" videos on the MG4. They have been most helpful for me to understand the "bells & whistles" that the MG4 has. I've owned my Essence 64 since mid November 2022 and enjoying the EV/New car experience. I especially enjoy the regen when slowing or stopping.
I was so happy that the excite 51 came with an LFP battery! I probably wouldn’t have bought it otherwise and would still be waiting for an EV I was happy with for under 40K
Excite 51 I have is also a really nicely damped and handles much better due to the lowest weight in my opinion of all the MG4 variants.... so good I bought one new in volcano metallic orange!
I live on a mountain with a MG4-51 and I've found it's best to charge it to about 95% so that the regen braking is effective on the way down the mountain, this extends the life of your brakes and I regen to about 97% by the bottom
@@philipepics I drive down the mountain 3 or 4 times a week and if I use physical brakes (charged at 100%) I lose ~2% of my battery (as well as wear the brake pads), but if I start at 95% I gain ~2% and minimise wear. Here's a video explaining regen; ua-cam.com/video/88K5aoRYBgg/v-deo.html
Thanks for your efforts Jerry. A very useful source of information. I hope MG and your employers appreciate the work. It certainly increased the likelihood of my buying an MG4 and has helped me through the early weeks of ownership.
Thanks for all your work on these videos, If I had found them before I bought my MG 4 I may well have been tempted to drive to Auckland to Purchase off you, not that I am at all dissatisfied with the guys I did get mine from, just that this is such an effort it deserves rewarding. :)
Love your work Jerry! I watched all of your videos on the MG4 excite 51 before it was delivered. It helped ma a lot. Thanks for this update on charging the battery. Keep up the good work!
In the MG4 user manual the manufacturer recommends same: if you leave the vehicle for a long period, make sure battery has at least 50% charge remaining.
I watched it again, as an update/refresher and realised I'd missed the monthly 100% AC suggestion, so I'll start doing that. No faults on my 18 month old long range as yet. Lovely car.
Really excellent information. We are just about to purchase a new MG Long Range 77. We live out on a farm so our minimum return drive is not less than 20klm. It will not be driven daily but if we go into the city, it’s a 300klm round trip, not counting any side trips. Thanks for your advice.
Have had an MG4 from November 2023, and just had the 40k service.. that's 3 trips from Townsville, through Sydney and Melbourne to Adelaide and back in February, and back to Adelaide with no issue on charging, just need to be easy in the 110kph zones.. happy travels..
thanks for doing these videos Jerry, I bought a second hand MG4 just the other day and your content has been a fantastic source of information - I had no idea how to even charge it before :D
Hey Jerry I am from Indonesia and planning to get this car. All your tutorials are excellent and concise and appreciate that you make them. Wish i could buy this car from you 😂
Re 9:12 and a long term test of the HV battery when the car is parked for an extended period, one of the MG4 Owners Australia FB members parked their MG4 [Excite64] at the airport for 6 weeks. They reported 12% consumption on the HV battery over that time.
is this because of battery active cooling or heating? I'm from the Philippines. I'm worried that our hot climate here could degrade the battery faster.
G'day Jerry New here Yesdy Love your work Have the 51 ordered I live offgrid solar with batteries and am likely to set my charge time between 10 and 4 to protect my home system My question is how much time does it take for the supplied home charger to charge the car from eg; 20 to 100%? At the rated output of (2 kilowatt I believe/ but possibly only 1200watts I've read) Otherwise put more simply McMaybe How much charge would it add in 1 hour? Thank you Others with experience in these and or other things etc are welcome to help enlightened me
Great info. Thanks jerry. Question. If, and only if, your battery in a mg4 64kw begins to show signs of degradation (after a number of years) would it be possible to replace it with a 77kw battery? Seeing that mg4 is built on a modular system!!!
Thank you for the informative videos. Pretty useful. I am buying mg4 excite 2023, i had the option to go for mg4 2024. The mg4 excite is 64 kWh NMC lithium-ion battery, mg4 2024 51 kWh LFP battery. Am i doing a mistake by buying NMC instead of LFP for long term. I heard old tesla with lithium still run good. Am i going to loose lot of range over time ?
Hi Jerry, Is there a menu (hidden) or otherwise (OBDII?) method to check if there is any imbalance in the cells for example? I feel like I drive very little yet the MG4 (NMC) seems to be losing % a lot.. Ex: I'll drive ~2km and I'll see 1% drop. That's in normal just with AC without any sort of acceleration..I'm very aware of the %power use and generally outside of starting from a stop it sits between 0-10%
Hi Jerry I watch your channel in Thailand. We have the model X mg 4 ev here in Thailand. It has a 51 kWh battery. Please kindly confirm that I can use the public charging station at the dealership to charge the battery to 80 % every time. Because I live in an apartment complex and don't have a home charger installed. So I can't alternate charge monthly using the home charger. It has to be public fast charging to 80% all the time. Thanks 🙏
@@JerryPanandCars Thanks for your response. I remember that in your video you mentioned that there are 2 types of batteries. The 51 kWh battery is ok for charging UpTo 80 and more. But the higher capacity long range battery charge preference is 80. So to summarize the 51 kWh battery and the higher capacity long range battery both need to be alternated with home charging once in a while. But the 51 kWh battery can be charged UpTo 80 and more all the time.
Hi Jerry, thanks again for the great summary. Regarding #4, the manual mentioning a feature "intelligent charging". It states the 12V battery charge is maintained by the HV battery "under certain conditions". is there any other condition needs to be filled apart from the few which is listed in the manual (page 23)?
I've got an X-power and have done 24k in just over a year. I do a 115 mile commute daily and charge it to 100% all the time on a 7kw charger and it's lost pretty much zero range in 14 months of use so far. The anti-EV crowd can say anything they like to spread fear about batteries and range, it's just not true.
Jerry, I left my Excite at the airport for 6 weeks and had a main battery charge loss of about 12%. Still had 50+% left to drive 60km home with absolutely no issues. Was the charge drop due to maintaining the 12v battery?
I bought the lfp one because I want to drive it as long as possible. Do you think it could last 20 years or something like that with 15k kilometers a year?
Try this and see what happens: get the battery to 80%. Set the charging cut off to 90% and start charging again. Set a timer for 1 hour or however long it takes to go from 80 to 82%. Must be 82% or more. When the battery is at 82%, while charging, change the cut off back to 80%. If the battery needs to balance it will start a cell balance and remain at 82%. This could take an entire night on AC mains. I found this feature by accident. It’s not documented anywhere. This is how I ended up listening to this channel. I found this especially useful after a day of multiple DC rapid charging. For me, the MG4 has way too many of these undocumented features. Edited March 2024
Hi, Jerry When you turn on Air-condition MG4, you can hear very loud annoying noise anyone agree with me? (you have to hear it from outside of the car) Can you discuss this matter with your MG engineer please? this is very frustrationg..I think every MG4 does make same sounds It will be a recall matter I guess, Please advice me
One way, disconnect the 12v battery under the bonnet. Search it online. 2nd way, get some to start the car after 2 months or so to drive it or charge the 12v battery.
Have watched all your MG4 videos since getting our Essence in December last year. Lots of helpful info. Your channel is a real asset to the MG4 community.@@JerryPanandCars
As a qualified Chemist (BapsC) you cannot ignore the advantages of LFP batteries over the older generation of Lithium Ion. In terms of just use, your getting at lease 3 times more cycles for the same degradation and full use of the battery size in LFP... in simple terms 10,000 charge cycles from 10-90% for Lithium Iron vs 30,000 Cycles for LFP at 1-100%... Also LFP will not catch fire and overheat. Often the Slower Charging of LFP batteries is due to the internal car transformer being smaller as LFP batteries tend to be in the less premium models. Why Car manufacturers dont use them in all cars is that the size of the battery gets too big to fit easily into the car at around 64Kw for the LFP battery, as it has about half the energy density and volume. I own a model Y Rear wheel drive and a MG4 51 Excite, both LFP and the Y gets 435 Km range ( and has lost 7km of range after 40,000 km!) and the MG4 51 Excite gets 350Km of Range (new so no comments on range loss).... I dont think I would buy a non LFP battery car at the moment unless it was a bargain second hand.
@@clayton4115 sure I checked your battery type its the older generation Lithium battery but its a good battery with a history of good performance... This battery should not be charged over 90% unless you are going to use the car straight away and deplete it below 90% (they get damaged if held at over 90%)... if your daily usage between charges allows it I would even only charge it to 80% for a typical work day. I see some youtube videos showing 10% loss in range is typical per 40-50,000 Km... Thats a good result for that older type battery.... have a nice day.
Thank you, so I have the Standard MG4 EV with LFP, so what you’re saying is it’s okay to charge from 1-100% without the risk of cell degradation in the battery?
@@maxanderson3059 yes, indeed I have the same car and you want to charge to 100% at least once a week if possible as this will keep the battery in good condition.
I've jst finished watching an MG4 Xpower video from the UK. They mentioned a 77Kwh battery version for the Xpower. How long before that bigger battery is available in NZ and Australia? Assuming we'd be on the same timetable.
@@JerryPanandCars I was looking at a lot of review's on the Xpower, before i found yours last night. It took some time to find the one i was looking for.. "What Car?" I had to use cc to make sure i had all the details.. He was going between Xpower and MG4 quickly and moved to an extended range to the long range. So, sadly, no 77Kwh Xpower. I am deep in decision making about getting an Xpower. Thank you for the battery composition information.
@@JerryPanandCars Indeed, but you've got a better chance for the invertor and later for the motor to get broken. For example: for a solar system, the invertor has a life spam of about 5 years. So, you may expect something similar to your car. The car invertors are not cheap, even though it should be.
2:27 zero thermal runaway? You sure? If I short a series of 6 LFP batteries of size 14500 one of them will burn until the electricity is gone from all of them. The main difference is that the LFP battery gives off CO CO2 and H2 when or if it gets hot enough to burn. It doesn’t evolve oxygen or Cobalt soot. This could happen if the whole car was put in a furnace or a house fire. The electrolyte is still Lithium hexa fluoro phosphate. I would have preferred an LFP MG4 but didn’t like the option list
a “Zero Thermal Runaway” safety concept, the safety protection of the passengers has been put front and centre. I own one of these cars. Apart from the glossy marketing there is no mention of this “zero thermal runaway concept” ANYWHERE ELSE. I think this is pure marketing with no implementation detail. None. Zero. My comment was “if you get the battery hot enough eventually they will fail and burn. In the case of LFP batteries it’s an endothermic reaction. Still toxic but it will stop if cooled. Currently the fire brigades and other first responders can’t tell and don’t care if a car battery is LFP or something else. The protocol will be the same
Hi Jerry, Great video again. There is a lot of scaremongering from EV haters online. I saw an invoice which I am sure was fake for a replacement batter costing $39,000 for an MG4. Just to set the record straight, what is thr approx cost to replace an 51kWh battery?
I'm not sure about the cost honestly. All I can say is, it isn't going to be cheap. But, the price of replacement battery is honestly irrelevant for most EV cars and EV owners. We have had 4 years' experience with MG EVs from gen 1 MG ZS EV to MG4 and I have never heard any of them needed a battery replacement. It is like buying a petrol car and asking how much it will cost to rebuild this engine and chassis. The answer will be similar but honestly irrelevant. No one expects them to fail in any short time frame.
Wrong, the standard MG4 51kwh LFP version loses 0.01% every day when using the car or not in a scheduled manner. Perhaps this information from the SOH is factif? In 11 months and 22,000km my SOH is 94%! Can you confirm to me if this information of programmed degradation of 0.01%/day is factual or real please?
Not exactly on a timer. The MG software is rubbish where it can't calculate its own health. I have the LFP ZS ev. 51kWh If you dont do a deep discharge once in a while that SOH will drop. Also, the Gom will drop as well. The lowest I went on my 13 month old LFP ZS EV was 13%. Then SOH increased from 95.5 to 97.5% right away. While other factors do affect health, doing frequent low discharge and then charging to 100% on the slow AC charger does help.
@@theelectricmile474 I even did voluntary discharges with the heating down to 0% so that the SOH went back up without success. This car has several faults, and I'm almost sure the battery has a fault too.
My MG4 was made with no seam sealer in the rear on the vehicle, seriously. Its leaks and stinks and feels like a 20 year old car. MG know they did not make some of the cars with seam sealer but ignored the problem until we all came back complaining our cars stink. I would not recommend an MG4.
Thanks Jerry for all your time and effort you have put into these "how to" videos on the MG4. They have been most helpful for me to understand the "bells & whistles" that the MG4 has. I've owned my Essence 64 since mid November 2022 and enjoying the EV/New car experience. I especially enjoy the regen when slowing or stopping.
Thanks for your support
I was so happy that the excite 51 came with an LFP battery! I probably wouldn’t have bought it otherwise and would still be waiting for an EV I was happy with for under 40K
Thanks for the comment.
Excite 51 I have is also a really nicely damped and handles much better due to the lowest weight in my opinion of all the MG4 variants.... so good I bought one new in volcano metallic orange!
You have some excellent videos Jerry. Just bought an Excite 51 and very happy with it so far.
I live on a mountain with a MG4-51 and I've found it's best to charge it to about 95% so that the regen braking is effective on the way down the mountain, this extends the life of your brakes and I regen to about 97% by the bottom
do you have more information or the source of this info/advice, thank you
@@philipepics I drive down the mountain 3 or 4 times a week and if I use physical brakes (charged at 100%) I lose ~2% of my battery (as well as wear the brake pads), but if I start at 95% I gain ~2% and minimise wear.
Here's a video explaining regen; ua-cam.com/video/88K5aoRYBgg/v-deo.html
Nice tip actually
Thanks for your efforts Jerry. A very useful source of information. I hope MG and your employers appreciate the work. It certainly increased the likelihood of my buying an MG4 and has helped me through the early weeks of ownership.
Thank you so much for the support! Glad it helped.
Great video. Finally somebody expalines the battery maintenance in the mg 4.
Thanks for the support!
Thanks for all your work on these videos, If I had found them before I bought my MG 4 I may well have been tempted to drive to Auckland to Purchase off you, not that I am at all dissatisfied with the guys I did get mine from, just that this is such an effort it deserves rewarding. :)
Thanks for the comment and support!
Love your work Jerry! I watched all of your videos on the MG4 excite 51 before it was delivered. It helped ma a lot. Thanks for this update on charging the battery. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for the support!
In the MG4 user manual the manufacturer recommends same: if you leave the vehicle for a long period, make sure battery has at least 50% charge remaining.
I watched it again, as an update/refresher and realised I'd missed the monthly 100% AC suggestion, so I'll start doing that. No faults on my 18 month old long range as yet. Lovely car.
@@rbdogwood great to hear:
Really excellent information. We are just about to purchase a new MG Long Range 77. We live out on a farm so our minimum return drive is not less than 20klm. It will not be driven daily but if we go into the city, it’s a 300klm round trip, not counting any side trips. Thanks for your advice.
Thanks for the support!
Have had an MG4 from November 2023, and just had the 40k service.. that's 3 trips from Townsville, through Sydney and Melbourne to Adelaide and back in February, and back to Adelaide with no issue on charging, just need to be easy in the 110kph zones.. happy travels..
thanks for doing these videos Jerry, I bought a second hand MG4 just the other day and your content has been a fantastic source of information - I had no idea how to even charge it before :D
Thanks for your support!
Very useful info - simple and clear. Thanks for your help.
This is your second video that I watched today and have subscribed to your channel!
Thanks for the support!
Hey Jerry I am from Indonesia and planning to get this car. All your tutorials are excellent and concise and appreciate that you make them. Wish i could buy this car from you 😂
Thanks for the support! Glad this video has reached Indonesia :D
Jerry has the best MG info for people moving towards purchasing a EV
Thank you for the support
Thanks Jerry appreciate the effort you have put in with all of your videos. Made my MG4 Essence purchase an easy choice.
Thanks for the support!
Re 9:12 and a long term test of the HV battery when the car is parked for an extended period, one of the MG4 Owners Australia FB members parked their MG4 [Excite64] at the airport for 6 weeks.
They reported 12% consumption on the HV battery over that time.
Thanks for the comment. Good to know the numbers. I also believe at lower temperature, the battery will lose a bit more over the time.
is this because of battery active cooling or heating? I'm from the Philippines. I'm worried that our hot climate here could degrade the battery faster.
@pollada1 cold weather affect the vehicle battery more than hot weather.
G'day Jerry
New here
Yesdy
Love your work
Have the 51 ordered
I live offgrid solar with batteries and am likely to set my charge time between 10 and 4 to protect my home system
My question is how much time does it take for the supplied home charger to charge the car from eg; 20 to 100%?
At the rated output of (2 kilowatt I believe/ but possibly only 1200watts I've read)
Otherwise put more simply
McMaybe
How much charge would it add in 1 hour?
Thank you
Others with experience in these and or other things etc are welcome to help enlightened me
Thank you for these tutorials as I am buying the MG4/ 64 version but I do wish they had LFP as for full use of the capacity and charging restrictions
Thanks for the support. Sadly the density and weight on the LFP battery stopped MG's design team on doing that.
If you charge to 80% most of the time, there would be hardly any range loss even in long run. Buy an slow charger and enjoy
Great info. Thanks jerry. Question. If, and only if, your battery in a mg4 64kw begins to show signs of degradation (after a number of years) would it be possible to replace it with a 77kw battery? Seeing that mg4 is built on a modular system!!!
In theory, yes, it is possible. In real world, you need to look at the cost and see if it is worthy at all
Would u be doing a review on the 12volt battery? How to protect or charge it etc? Cheers
Thank you for the informative videos. Pretty useful.
I am buying mg4 excite 2023, i had the option to go for mg4 2024. The mg4 excite is 64 kWh NMC lithium-ion battery, mg4 2024 51 kWh LFP battery. Am i doing a mistake by buying NMC instead of LFP for long term. I heard old tesla with lithium still run good. Am i going to loose lot of range over time ?
You are fine. The NMC is still a good battery
For the 51 excite how do you check the battery health (degradation status) and what is the best practice to prolong its health?
Battery health can only be checked at dealership
Hi Jerry,
Is there a menu (hidden) or otherwise (OBDII?) method to check if there is any imbalance in the cells for example? I feel like I drive very little yet the MG4 (NMC) seems to be losing % a lot..
Ex: I'll drive ~2km and I'll see 1% drop. That's in normal just with AC without any sort of acceleration..I'm very aware of the %power use and generally outside of starting from a stop it sits between 0-10%
I think in Australia there may be roadside assist companies that have a charging unit with them as opposed to being towed.
That will be handy.
Hi Jerry I watch your channel in Thailand. We have the model X mg 4 ev here in Thailand. It has a 51 kWh battery. Please kindly confirm that I can use the public charging station at the dealership to charge the battery to 80 % every time. Because I live in an apartment complex and don't have a home charger installed. So I can't alternate charge monthly using the home charger. It has to be public fast charging to 80% all the time. Thanks 🙏
Not every time. fast charging isn't the best for the battery if you do it every time unfortunately.
@@JerryPanandCars Thanks for your response. I remember that in your video you mentioned that there are 2 types of batteries. The 51 kWh battery is ok for charging UpTo 80 and more. But the higher capacity long range battery charge preference is 80. So to summarize the 51 kWh battery and the higher capacity long range battery both need to be alternated with home charging once in a while. But the 51 kWh battery can be charged UpTo 80 and more all the time.
I have essence 64 and there is no issue at all in charging speed from 80- to 95% : Its spuer fast
Hi Jerry, could you do a video on how to disconnect a 12V battery on MG4 please . There no video online for that
It is the same like most cars on the market.
Hi Jerry, thanks again for the great summary. Regarding #4, the manual mentioning a feature "intelligent charging". It states the 12V battery charge is maintained by the HV battery "under certain conditions". is there any other condition needs to be filled apart from the few which is listed in the manual (page 23)?
As far as I know, there is no need to do anything specifically for the 12v battery.
Great video, Jerry, as always.
Thanks for your support!
Thank you for this video, really interesting. Hello from France !
I've got an X-power and have done 24k in just over a year. I do a 115 mile commute daily and charge it to 100% all the time on a 7kw charger and it's lost pretty much zero range in 14 months of use so far. The anti-EV crowd can say anything they like to spread fear about batteries and range, it's just not true.
Thanks for sharing!
Jerry, I left my Excite at the airport for 6 weeks and had a main battery charge loss of about 12%. Still had 50+% left to drive 60km home with absolutely no issues. Was the charge drop due to maintaining the 12v battery?
The charge drop / battery lose is common for the batteries. Not related to 12v or charging 12v actually.
Awesome thanks Jerry - so helpful!
I bought the lfp one because I want to drive it as long as possible. Do you think it could last 20 years or something like that with 15k kilometers a year?
I would say it is likely to last more than that :D I have seen old BYD EV taxis in China with more than 400,000km.
So, what I understand is we need to charge 100% once a month, even the car is NMC 64kwh long range version?
That's what I found from some recommendations only (not MG official). Charge to 100% around once in a month will help.
Try this and see what happens: get the battery to 80%. Set the charging cut off to 90% and start charging again. Set a timer for 1 hour or however long it takes to go from 80 to 82%. Must be 82% or more.
When the battery is at 82%, while charging, change the cut off back to 80%.
If the battery needs to balance it will start a cell balance and remain at 82%. This could take an entire night on AC mains.
I found this feature by accident. It’s not documented anywhere. This is how I ended up listening to this channel.
I found this especially useful after a day of multiple DC rapid charging.
For me, the MG4 has way too many of these undocumented features. Edited March 2024
This is also what Nissan recommends for the Leaf, which I believe is an NMC battery..
Hi Jerry, What ODB2 are you recommending for MG 4, Thank you.
Never used one :(
Hi, Jerry
When you turn on Air-condition MG4, you can hear very loud annoying noise anyone agree with me? (you have to hear it from outside of the car)
Can you discuss this matter with your MG engineer please? this is very frustrationg..I think every MG4 does make same sounds
It will be a recall matter I guess, Please advice me
The noise is normal on all MG4. It is not an issue actually.
@@JerryPanandCars ua-cam.com/video/hey_BhfCAP0/v-deo.html is this really normal?
Question i am going away for 5 mths i will have car charged to 80 % does it need to be started or driven at all during that time.?
One way, disconnect the 12v battery under the bonnet. Search it online.
2nd way, get some to start the car after 2 months or so to drive it or charge the 12v battery.
Excellent resource thanks 🙏
For long trips can’t you leave plugged in with a lower % of charge, say 50%, for both batteries?
You can but some say it is not great to leave it lower than 50%.
Thanks Jerry. Great content as usual.
Thanks for the support!
Have watched all your MG4 videos since getting our Essence in December last year. Lots of helpful info. Your channel is a real asset to the MG4 community.@@JerryPanandCars
Does this also apply for the ZS EV?
Yes absolutely! Now you are making regret it. I should have done this video as ZS EV & MG4 both.
Merci. vos tutos sont trés intéressants ,je les regarde tous. merci
Thank you! Merci.
As a qualified Chemist (BapsC) you cannot ignore the advantages of LFP batteries over the older generation of Lithium Ion. In terms of just use, your getting at lease 3 times more cycles for the same degradation and full use of the battery size in LFP... in simple terms 10,000 charge cycles from 10-90% for Lithium Iron vs 30,000 Cycles for LFP at 1-100%... Also LFP will not catch fire and overheat. Often the Slower Charging of LFP batteries is due to the internal car transformer being smaller as LFP batteries tend to be in the less premium models. Why Car manufacturers dont use them in all cars is that the size of the battery gets too big to fit easily into the car at around 64Kw for the LFP battery, as it has about half the energy density and volume. I own a model Y Rear wheel drive and a MG4 51 Excite, both LFP and the Y gets 435 Km range ( and has lost 7km of range after 40,000 km!) and the MG4 51 Excite gets 350Km of Range (new so no comments on range loss).... I dont think I would buy a non LFP battery car at the moment unless it was a bargain second hand.
Thanks for sharing the information on this.
I have a Hyundai Ioniq 28kwh can you tell me the battery on this and explain to me like you did above, thanks
@@clayton4115 sure I checked your battery type its the older generation Lithium battery but its a good battery with a history of good performance... This battery should not be charged over 90% unless you are going to use the car straight away and deplete it below 90% (they get damaged if held at over 90%)... if your daily usage between charges allows it I would even only charge it to 80% for a typical work day. I see some youtube videos showing 10% loss in range is typical per 40-50,000 Km... Thats a good result for that older type battery.... have a nice day.
Thank you, so I have the Standard MG4 EV with LFP, so what you’re saying is it’s okay to charge from 1-100% without the risk of cell degradation in the battery?
@@maxanderson3059 yes, indeed I have the same car and you want to charge to 100% at least once a week if possible as this will keep the battery in good condition.
I've jst finished watching an MG4 Xpower video from the UK. They mentioned a 77Kwh battery version for the Xpower. How long before that bigger battery is available in NZ and Australia? Assuming we'd be on the same timetable.
Never heard of that before. I haven’t seen any news release about UK adding 77kwh for the XPower either.
@@JerryPanandCars I was looking at a lot of review's on the Xpower, before i found yours last night. It took some time to find the one i was looking for.. "What Car?" I had to use cc to make sure i had all the details.. He was going between Xpower and MG4 quickly and moved to an extended range to the long range. So, sadly, no 77Kwh Xpower. I am deep in decision making about getting an Xpower. Thank you for the battery composition information.
Very informative, thank you
Hi Jerry I have the ZS EV long range 72kwh what battery do I have it’s a 2023 year thanks
NMC pack. Thanks
Presumably if you are going away for a long time you could just fit a 12v trickle charger....
True or disconnect it
Thank you so much for this video!
Thanks for the support
Why is the excite model limited to 80% charge when using AC, wont charge to 100%
Adjust the settings.
I think the most expensive item that could be replaced after 7 years, is not the battery but the invertor and maybe the motor of the car.
EV motor and battery can be both the most expensive items
@@JerryPanandCars Indeed, but you've got a better chance for the invertor and later for the motor to get broken. For example: for a solar system, the invertor has a life spam of about 5 years. So, you may expect something similar to your car. The car invertors are not cheap, even though it should be.
Well done!
Thanks for the support!
2:27 zero thermal runaway? You sure? If I short a series of 6 LFP batteries of size 14500 one of them will burn until the electricity is gone from all of them. The main difference is that the LFP battery gives off CO CO2 and H2 when or if it gets hot enough to burn. It doesn’t evolve oxygen or Cobalt soot. This could happen if the whole car was put in a furnace or a house fire. The electrolyte is still Lithium hexa fluoro phosphate. I would have preferred an LFP MG4 but didn’t like the option list
news.mgmotor.eu/press/the-exceptional-design-of-the-mg4-electric-in-detail/
a “Zero Thermal Runaway” safety concept, the safety protection of the passengers has been put front and centre.
I own one of these cars. Apart from the glossy marketing there is no mention of this “zero thermal runaway concept” ANYWHERE ELSE.
I think this is pure marketing with no implementation detail. None. Zero.
My comment was “if you get the battery hot enough eventually they will fail and burn. In the case of LFP batteries it’s an endothermic reaction. Still toxic but it will stop if cooled.
Currently the fire brigades and other first responders can’t tell and don’t care if a car battery is LFP or something else. The protocol will be the same
Fab, thanks very much.
Thanks for your support!
19:48 xDDDDDD
awesome clear explanations thanks
Hi Jerry,
Great video again. There is a lot of scaremongering from EV haters online. I saw an invoice which I am sure was fake for a replacement batter costing $39,000 for an MG4.
Just to set the record straight, what is thr approx cost to replace an 51kWh battery?
I'm not sure about the cost honestly. All I can say is, it isn't going to be cheap.
But, the price of replacement battery is honestly irrelevant for most EV cars and EV owners. We have had 4 years' experience with MG EVs from gen 1 MG ZS EV to MG4 and I have never heard any of them needed a battery replacement. It is like buying a petrol car and asking how much it will cost to rebuild this engine and chassis. The answer will be similar but honestly irrelevant. No one expects them to fail in any short time frame.
And even then I understand that only defective modules can have hand picked for replacement. Am I right
Wrong, the standard MG4 51kwh LFP version loses 0.01% every day when using the car or not in a scheduled manner. Perhaps this information from the SOH is factif? In 11 months and 22,000km my SOH is 94%! Can you confirm to me if this information of programmed degradation of 0.01%/day is factual or real please?
The early stage of EV loses SOH much faster. After that, they lose very little over the year.
Not exactly on a timer. The MG software is rubbish where it can't calculate its own health. I have the LFP ZS ev. 51kWh If you dont do a deep discharge once in a while that SOH will drop. Also, the Gom will drop as well. The lowest I went on my 13 month old LFP ZS EV was 13%. Then SOH increased from 95.5 to 97.5% right away. While other factors do affect health, doing frequent low discharge and then charging to 100% on the slow AC charger does help.
@@theelectricmile474 I even did voluntary discharges with the heating down to 0% so that the SOH went back up without success. This car has several faults, and I'm almost sure the battery has a fault too.
@@NIanaisweird..try charging with the granny charger
but they tell lfp battery have more life abd more cycles around 4000 but why go fast degradation more and fast down
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My MG4 was made with no seam sealer in the rear on the vehicle, seriously. Its leaks and stinks and feels like a 20 year old car. MG know they did not make some of the cars with seam sealer but ignored the problem until we all came back complaining our cars stink. I would not recommend an MG4.