One of my dream Star wars games is to be trooper involved with very detailed destruction of a droid factory and maybe a separate campaign doing the same but as a droid with various models and weapons
I think the real problem with the commando droid was. That they were not set up to mass produce them. They were instead set up to mass produce the B1 battle droid. There's nothing super advanced about the commando droid. The cost per unit could have been brought down with mass production. If they had retooled for that purpose, however they didn't. They were already tooled up for the B1 battle droid.
Because the B1s were already developed. The BXs were developed during the clone wars, where as the B1s were already around for like 15 years by that point ( they were developed a few years before episode 1, to fend of pirates, atleast in legends.) Therefor there was more manufacturing capacity, and maintanace capacity for the B1s, because there was a whole industry built around them. The BXs needed new production lines established to make sure they can be produced in practical and reliable numbers. But that is just the making of the droid itself, the parts like the voice modul and the new operating system all need to be build from a new too, and that is a lot of effort, as few parts were already existing, and just one of these supply lines being cut means the BXs can´t be produced. Where as B1s take parts that are made by multable supply lines, that were established over time out of necassity to produce higher numbers, and maybe even some off brand parts, because the B1 may use components that were found in other droids, to not make them too expensive, because initially they were designed to just be security droids (by the designers, they were ultimately intended to be used for their purpose as battle droids, but the designers tried to make a cheap and reliable security droid), and so taking existing parts like a processing unit that is capeable of handling the routine of the droid makes sense. Like, if the seperatists lost a production plant for the B1 processing unit they may be able to sublement them with protocol droid processing units or similar ones, where as the BX had a more complex processing unit, and one I doubt many ordinary droids processing units could be compared too. Then there is the initial issue of costs, because it takes a few badges and simplification in manufacturing to achieve a really good producing price. If the BX development was started 15 years before the clone wars, they would be a lot cheaper than their in universe price, because the production would be simplified, i.e. requiering less costs to build. Even with geonosians building them for little credits, the energy to melt the metal and buy the machines to produce the parts must be bought of world, and that cost stacks up. Also the manufacturing itself could be made easier, like instead of using CNC machines to make the bodies of the B1s, they might instead be made from stamped dura-steel, cheapening the price per droid, and not really affecting usability. The B1s were probably so cheap and easy to produce, that repairing them would be more expensive than building and buying a new one. The same can not be said for the BX series, because of how intensive the production needs were. After a few years of optimizing, the BX would maybe be simpler and less feature-rich, but also only a fraction of the price, while still furfilling its´ purpose of being a superior B1 droid. That is why it is called BX, because the X is an indecator that it is experimental after all. Lastly, material. The B1 is utterly cheap, but also has little exotic materials. So even a struggling CIS with few worlds left standing has the resources to build them. Where as the BX requires more specialized components, and finding those when loosing the only world having them to the republic is hard. Other than manufacturing, the BX is too specialized. There is no use in having a droid that can do everything, and be so good at it. Either the CIS should make dedicated droids that are really good at one thing , i.e cheaper to produce, or build B1 style droids that can do everything good enough, but not too good to make them expensive ( for mass produced droids atleast, as supposed to Magna Guards that were NOT intended to be mass produced, but intended to be an expensive droid that is used for special roles ). Result: The BX may be nice, but overly specialized and too new to be manufactured reasonably. Like how a Porsche GT3 is nicer than a Volkswagen Golf, but the later is cheaper to produce, easier to produce in large quantaties, and still a good car.
DURASTEEL BX hmmmm , you got a start of a good idea but then super battle droid are also there so i dont think cheapening BX makes sense , keep them specialized.
Amazing video, Alan. I feel spoiled for content, as videos seem to be coming out at a crazy rate. Top notch quality, especially on top of the big video the other day. Just wanted to show some gratitude for your hard work, its really appreciated. Cant wait for the next one ❤
The commandos were better used a scalpel rather than as infantry because of the gymnastic movements. The standard Battledroids could form an impenetrable line while the commandos would need more room to move around.
even without like for like replacement, the BX series could have made an impact through the creation of mixed units, using the BX droid as an NPC to command at platoon or company level
Hi Alan could you do a video on what if the empire democratised and gave power back to the imperial senate making the emperor a symbolic figurehead like how the British monarchy is today or the Japanese emperor is today do you think the empire would have survived if it did this or do you think it still would have fallen
I saw plenty of people answered already that it was the cost why the BX-Series Commando Droids did not get mass produce. However, what stopped the Droids Army from forming a group similar to the Bad Batch by using these Commando Droids?
I also find it interesting that in the bad batch we see afew different police droid models that have the body plan of BXs, just with a different head and paint. this may have just been a real life cost cutting measure to simply reuse an already designed droid model as opposed to making a whole new one but in universe it makes me wonder if after the clone wars if the company making BXs shifted into making police droids to continue having business after the empire took over. or if similarly some other company took the designs for the BX after the separatist collapse and modified them to to be police droids with a different head/programming, and also probably made out of cheaper materials despite making the same body shape and sold them to the empire the ones I remember specifically where the "imperial police droids" seen in bad batch episode 6, Decommissioned but I swear I remember seeing another droid in the series with the same body but another different head.
First order troopers were basically indoctrinated robots , they were noticibly inferior compared to imperial stormtroopers which were inferior compared to clone troopers .
Given the cost of every BX Commando Droid and the fact that units such as the B1s, B2s, Droidekas etc. were meant for the open Battlefields of the Clone Wars, its likely that the Commando Droids were meant to be Stealth, Infiltration, Sabotage and Assassination Units.
I love the BX series so much, but there was no way they could manufacture that many. Just seeing it put its head back up after taking a shot to the face, was enough to tell ya.
One thing I heard and wanted to say something about. You said that only 10k units of clone commandos were intentionally made. It is correct but each unit had 4 clones. The kiminonas had a different view of what clones were and didn't value a clone trooper as a single unit.
18k credits for the Separatists bc they bought in bulk. For everyone else 180k bc you would have to have unique programming and most likely it would be illegal to own a military styled droid. maybe?
Amazing how much power the Confederacy’s smaller economy could put out to completely outclass the Republic’s. The same handful of corporations basically circulating the same money to pay eachother to produce an absolutely massive army all at the same time. In a way they were right to focus on producing the B1s exclusively. Buying more cheap soldiers over fewer expensive ones helps to not only build an even more massive army, but it also speeds up that “turbocharged economy” effect.
A way to limit the cost of the Bx is to use metal from the wrecked warships. These were perfect for boarding ships and the RA could’ve used them with brutal efficiency.
I wish I could get 100 BX series for real life. I would have them become firefighters since my area is running low on volunteers and these would work great 😌 also imagine paintballing with these nightmares 😂.
I can give three reasons why The first problem face is the simple fact that B1 Battle both starships and ground go do repairs, combat, maintenance, and combat. Now you might be able to commando droids do maintenance and repair jobs and combat with having less effective at combat you might not. It is also possible to combine computers us this simple not option. The second would be worth doing cost. Again cost does per say have to be high for the real issue. Again the bad batch saw B1- battle droid during the battle of Planet Desix. We see all do during Clone Wars not as effective BX-series commando droids still relatively lethal. A lot say for argument's sake get two B1 battle droids for commando droids. Now according to star war book 9 or `10 B1 -battle droids per commando droid between B1 battle droids is smaller sound. First left with the logistic factor all adds up first you need let us the Lucrehulk-class Battleship basic 5 million credits now carries basic 310 battle droid now has C-9979 landing craft cost about 12,000,000 credits now again carries basic 2,500 battle droids. Now going to need to get the area fight this going Multi-Troop Transport Craft costs another 220 credits. This does not even go crab droids, tank droids, or spider droids maintenance. B1 battle driod make lot sense simple left lot work done keep working and fighting. Commando battle droid performs transport is the Heavy Missile Platform) droid gunship 60,000 credits per unit which carry 10 commando droids aid role firepower. While yes might be able to get 10 battle droids for one commando droid things start Heavy missile platform droid gunship you get basic and 20 B1 battle droids and Heavy missile platform droid gunship droids get about 7 and 10 commando battle droids. Now of question would one squad of heavy missile platforms gunship with 10 commando battle droids more effectively 2 heavy missile platforms with B1 battle droids. The answer is likely yes commando battle droids that fought battle for planet Desix show to be more effective B1 battle droids. They almost stop clones cry out load. We also saw missile launchers used effectively down the Heavy missile platform droid gunship. Role something closer to both do the job protect other. Commando droids turn themselves into priority targets with B1 battle droids if have the right anti-vehicle missile to take out the heavy missile platform and prevent use a second time. A commando battle droid is less option even have the right missile they choose to take little revenge deal more series threats. Giving a choice between revenge and living they normal choice living. Since between factor lose fewer commando battle droids and lose fewer Heavy missile platforms means latter own more money and spend even more on both or other units. So real reason is likely see the screen.
Over time droids develop personalities if they’re not reset or destroyed after some time. R2 is one such droid that developed a very strong personality after years in service and no memory wiping. B1s and other battle droids weren’t excepted to last pass the war so they weren’t given memory wipes. So by the end of the Clone Wars, they were more prone to be free thinking and even disobedient.
Having BX Commando Droids as line infantry is stupid anyways. Even if they had the credits to replace each B1 with a BX, it would make no difference on the battlefield. Both B1 and BX will get mauled by AT-TEs, LAATs, artillery and blaser rifles (slightly more shots to take down a BX, but if they are deployed on a massive scale like the B1s, can't miss them).
Expensive, Expensive an usually.... THOSE sorta Droids woulda been EXPENSIVE... AF... When you think of trying to build an field enough of them to constitute even a small army of them, on a Galactic scale..
what if the CIS had resorted to lower quality materials? use the same armor and frame materials as the B1, keep the same motor mobility, replace the advanced combat algorithms of the BX with the baseline B1, leaving the advanced maneuvers to the tactical droids and organic commanders.
Commando droids single handedly would’ve won every battle if used. Because you have to remember all the other different kind of droids that were used that would’ve backed them up. The strategies they’d use on that would’ve been insane.
For the same reason why the Empire didn't adopt the TIE Defender, cost.
Probably.
The death star the super star destroyers the imperial star destroyers
@@hyper1-k6f, because THOSE were so cost effective.
@@enoughothis blame the Tarkin doctrine.
@@vic5015 blame Palpatine fetish absolute power😂
“Why aren’t there more BX Commandos being manufactured?”
Papa Palpatine: Do you..Do you have any idea what this is going to do to my credit?
A Super Tactical Droid would’ve been an excellent asset to an Imperial officer such as Grand Admiral Thrawn
Honestly the bx was probably the best shock force in galactic history. Deadly, cheap, expendable and easy to deploy from robust gunships or transports
They were also strong, durable, fast, and agile.
One of my dream Star wars games is to be trooper involved with very detailed destruction of a droid factory and maybe a separate campaign doing the same but as a droid with various models and weapons
I think the real problem with the commando droid was. That they were not set up to mass produce them. They were instead set up to mass produce the B1 battle droid.
There's nothing super advanced about the commando droid. The cost per unit could have been brought down with mass production. If they had retooled for that purpose, however they didn't. They were already tooled up for the B1 battle droid.
Don't forget that Palpatine did not want the Separatists to win.
Because the B1s were already developed.
The BXs were developed during the clone wars, where as the B1s were already around for like 15 years by that point ( they were developed a few years before episode 1, to fend of pirates, atleast in legends.)
Therefor there was more manufacturing capacity, and maintanace capacity for the B1s, because there was a whole industry built around them.
The BXs needed new production lines established to make sure they can be produced in practical and reliable numbers.
But that is just the making of the droid itself, the parts like the voice modul and the new operating system all need to be build from a new too, and that is a lot of effort, as few parts were already existing, and just one of these supply lines being cut means the BXs can´t be produced.
Where as B1s take parts that are made by multable supply lines, that were established over time out of necassity to produce higher numbers, and maybe even some off brand parts, because the B1 may use components that were found in other droids, to not make them too expensive, because initially they were designed to just be security droids (by the designers, they were ultimately intended to be used for their purpose as battle droids, but the designers tried to make a cheap and reliable security droid), and so taking existing parts like a processing unit that is capeable of handling the routine of the droid makes sense.
Like, if the seperatists lost a production plant for the B1 processing unit they may be able to sublement them with protocol droid processing units or similar ones, where as the BX had a more complex processing unit, and one I doubt many ordinary droids processing units could be compared too.
Then there is the initial issue of costs, because it takes a few badges and simplification in manufacturing to achieve a really good producing price.
If the BX development was started 15 years before the clone wars, they would be a lot cheaper than their in universe price, because the production would be simplified, i.e. requiering less costs to build.
Even with geonosians building them for little credits, the energy to melt the metal and buy the machines to produce the parts must be bought of world, and that cost stacks up.
Also the manufacturing itself could be made easier, like instead of using CNC machines to make the bodies of the B1s, they might instead be made from stamped dura-steel, cheapening the price per droid, and not really affecting usability.
The B1s were probably so cheap and easy to produce, that repairing them would be more expensive than building and buying a new one.
The same can not be said for the BX series, because of how intensive the production needs were.
After a few years of optimizing, the BX would maybe be simpler and less feature-rich, but also only a fraction of the price, while still furfilling its´ purpose of being a superior B1 droid.
That is why it is called BX, because the X is an indecator that it is experimental after all.
Lastly, material.
The B1 is utterly cheap, but also has little exotic materials.
So even a struggling CIS with few worlds left standing has the resources to build them.
Where as the BX requires more specialized components, and finding those when loosing the only world having them to the republic is hard.
Other than manufacturing, the BX is too specialized.
There is no use in having a droid that can do everything, and be so good at it.
Either the CIS should make dedicated droids that are really good at one thing , i.e cheaper to produce, or build B1 style droids that can do everything good enough, but not too good to make them expensive ( for mass produced droids atleast, as supposed to Magna Guards that were NOT intended to be mass produced, but intended to be an expensive droid that is used for special roles ).
Result: The BX may be nice, but overly specialized and too new to be manufactured reasonably.
Like how a Porsche GT3 is nicer than a Volkswagen Golf, but the later is cheaper to produce, easier to produce in large quantaties, and still a good car.
W explanation, W lore reasoning, W overall comment.
DURASTEEL BX hmmmm , you got a start of a good idea but then super battle droid are also there so i dont think cheapening BX makes sense , keep them specialized.
Amazing video, Alan. I feel spoiled for content, as videos seem to be coming out at a crazy rate. Top notch quality, especially on top of the big video the other day. Just wanted to show some gratitude for your hard work, its really appreciated. Cant wait for the next one ❤
The commandos were better used a scalpel rather than as infantry because of the gymnastic movements. The standard Battledroids could form an impenetrable line while the commandos would need more room to move around.
Had no idea that BX droids could imitate droids too lol
Short answer: price!😁👍
If I were in the Star Wars universe I’d like a (slightly reprogrammed) BX commando droid as a companion.
even without like for like replacement, the BX series could have made an impact through the creation of mixed units, using the BX droid as an NPC to command at platoon or company level
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Hi Alan could you do a video on what if the empire democratised and gave power back to the imperial senate making the emperor a symbolic figurehead like how the British monarchy is today or the Japanese emperor is today do you think the empire would have survived if it did this or do you think it still would have fallen
Sounds good to me
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I wonder how effective personal shields 🛡 like Dune, would have been for the Jedi. If they had the tech for it.
I saw plenty of people answered already that it was the cost why the BX-Series Commando Droids did not get mass produce. However, what stopped the Droids Army from forming a group similar to the Bad Batch by using these Commando Droids?
I also find it interesting that in the bad batch we see afew different police droid models that have the body plan of BXs, just with a different head and paint.
this may have just been a real life cost cutting measure to simply reuse an already designed droid model as opposed to making a whole new one
but in universe it makes me wonder if after the clone wars if the company making BXs shifted into making police droids to continue having business after the empire took over.
or if similarly some other company took the designs for the BX after the separatist collapse and modified them to to be police droids with a different head/programming, and also probably made out of cheaper materials despite making the same body shape and sold them to the empire
the ones I remember specifically where the "imperial police droids" seen in bad batch episode 6, Decommissioned
but I swear I remember seeing another droid in the series with the same body but another different head.
Clone Commandos vs BX Commando Droids
Cost, and manufacture.
Please make a video on 200 FO Stormtroopers vs 200 Clone Troopers
First order troopers were basically indoctrinated robots , they were noticibly inferior compared to imperial stormtroopers which were inferior compared to clone troopers .
Given the cost of every BX Commando Droid and the fact that units such as the B1s, B2s, Droidekas etc. were meant for the open Battlefields of the Clone Wars, its likely that the Commando Droids were meant to be Stealth, Infiltration, Sabotage and Assassination Units.
I love the BX series so much, but there was no way they could manufacture that many. Just seeing it put its head back up after taking a shot to the face, was enough to tell ya.
One thing I heard and wanted to say something about. You said that only 10k units of clone commandos were intentionally made. It is correct but each unit had 4 clones. The kiminonas had a different view of what clones were and didn't value a clone trooper as a single unit.
Did any confederats say i told you so doing time of the empire. How were droids seen on separatist worlds after the clone wars
Makes you wonder of Palpatine held back on the commandos programming too
These things had no chance against two arf troopers, shoutout Razor and Stak
18k credits for the Separatists bc they bought in bulk. For everyone else 180k bc you would have to have unique programming and most likely it would be illegal to own a military styled droid. maybe?
Amazing how much power the Confederacy’s smaller economy could put out to completely outclass the Republic’s. The same handful of corporations basically circulating the same money to pay eachother to produce an absolutely massive army all at the same time. In a way they were right to focus on producing the B1s exclusively. Buying more cheap soldiers over fewer expensive ones helps to not only build an even more massive army, but it also speeds up that “turbocharged economy” effect.
"can even pretend to be a droid"
A way to limit the cost of the Bx is to use metal from the wrecked warships. These were perfect for boarding ships and the RA could’ve used them with brutal efficiency.
I wish I could get 100 BX series for real life. I would have them become firefighters since my area is running low on volunteers and these would work great 😌 also imagine paintballing with these nightmares 😂.
I can give three reasons why
The first problem face is the simple fact that B1 Battle both starships and ground go do repairs, combat, maintenance, and combat. Now you might be able to commando droids do maintenance and repair jobs and combat with having less effective at combat you might not. It is also possible to combine computers us this simple not option.
The second would be worth doing cost. Again cost does per say have to be high for the real issue. Again the bad batch saw B1- battle droid during the battle of Planet Desix. We see all do during Clone Wars not as effective BX-series commando droids still relatively lethal. A lot say for argument's sake get two B1 battle droids for commando droids. Now according to star war book 9 or `10 B1 -battle droids per commando droid between B1 battle droids is smaller sound. First left with the logistic factor all adds up first you need let us the Lucrehulk-class Battleship basic 5 million credits now carries basic 310 battle droid now has C-9979 landing craft cost about 12,000,000 credits now again carries basic 2,500 battle droids. Now going to need to get the area fight this going Multi-Troop Transport Craft costs another 220 credits. This does not even go crab droids, tank droids, or spider droids maintenance. B1 battle driod make lot sense simple left lot work done keep working and fighting.
Commando battle droid performs transport is the Heavy Missile Platform) droid gunship 60,000 credits per unit which carry 10 commando droids aid role firepower. While yes might be able to get 10 battle droids for one commando droid things start Heavy missile platform droid gunship you get basic and 20 B1 battle droids and Heavy missile platform droid gunship droids get about 7 and 10 commando battle droids. Now of question would one squad of heavy missile platforms gunship with 10 commando battle droids more effectively 2 heavy missile platforms with B1 battle droids. The answer is likely yes commando battle droids that fought battle for planet Desix show to be more effective B1 battle droids. They almost stop clones cry out load. We also saw missile launchers used effectively down the Heavy missile platform droid gunship. Role something closer to both do the job protect other. Commando droids turn themselves into priority targets with B1 battle droids if have the right anti-vehicle missile to take out the heavy missile platform and prevent use a second time. A commando battle droid is less option even have the right missile they choose to take little revenge deal more series threats. Giving a choice between revenge and living they normal choice living. Since between factor lose fewer commando battle droids and lose fewer Heavy missile platforms means latter own more money and spend even more on both or other units. So real reason is likely see the screen.
I have to question the Allied Human Command's choice to deploy Bison Cavalry against Dolphin Commandos. :D
“Is one BX better than a whole squad of B1s?”
Yes. Yes it is.
I think a better question would be whatif the separatist replaced the B-2 with the BX
Yay I get third and great saber duel
Can a Quantum computer link to the comic force
Why did be ones have feelings like Fear if their propose is to shoot. They ask to many questions to before shooting
Over time droids develop personalities if they’re not reset or destroyed after some time. R2 is one such droid that developed a very strong personality after years in service and no memory wiping. B1s and other battle droids weren’t excepted to last pass the war so they weren’t given memory wipes. So by the end of the Clone Wars, they were more prone to be free thinking and even disobedient.
But computers have to be that advanced to learn we don't computers that function as brains
"Corporations do not rule us"
This is hilarious, who build your Droid army and fleet again?
No one would blame a clone for wetting themselves upon seeing a squad of those coming at him
Cost
What’s up, Alan?!?
Having BX Commando Droids as line infantry is stupid anyways. Even if they had the credits to replace each B1 with a BX, it would make no difference on the battlefield. Both B1 and BX will get mauled by AT-TEs, LAATs, artillery and blaser rifles (slightly more shots to take down a BX, but if they are deployed on a massive scale like the B1s, can't miss them).
Also BX Droid Commandos are more costly to make than average B-1 battle droids because quality over quantity.
Expensive, Expensive an usually.... THOSE sorta Droids woulda been EXPENSIVE... AF... When you think of trying to build an field enough of them to constitute even a small army of them, on a Galactic scale..
They are in dept
Probably about 20 credits of that b1 was amortised tooling.. x 1 billion that's 20 billion in tooling...
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You don't use navy seals as line infantry
Cause they’d win too damn quickly
Let’s go Buffalo 🦬
They did they just all went to Kobo for some reason
What happened to "American" and "British" Bens? Were they American and British fired?
would that be fired and sacked, respectively?
MONEYYYYYYYY
Because then the separatists would probably win and sideous wouldn’t get his empire
Probably because b1 were cheaper
Couldnt some of the programming atleast be carried over
Because it's to expensive and in a open battlefield not much better then the b1
Because the separatists would have won
Too expensive.
Thanks for the distraction from today
Because of the separatists
Ah yes, first
what if the CIS had resorted to lower quality materials?
use the same armor and frame materials as the B1, keep the same motor mobility, replace the advanced combat algorithms of the BX with the baseline B1, leaving the advanced maneuvers to the tactical droids and organic commanders.
2nd
Commando droids single handedly would’ve won every battle if used. Because you have to remember all the other different kind of droids that were used that would’ve backed them up. The strategies they’d use on that would’ve been insane.
Cost