This is so sick. I remember a few months ago Valle was getting wrecked by some online (it was either XBL or PC, I forget which) Sagat for hours on stream, and he had kept telling people "no I'm not going to switch to Ryu, this is how you learn the matchup"... and now here you go! This matchup should be hard for Hugo, but this is a very good example of what practicing your bad matchups can do for you.
ESintu3 In part of that and reading players. Bonchan from all his performances in "mixed" competition (with a variety of different players and not just the japanese contingent he faces up against) has shown that if you get him on tilt, that he is prone to lose those games.
Players aspiring to play grappler characters, take note of this match right here. The greatest secret of grapplers is that their command grabs are put to best use if you only use them rarely. They are best used when your opponent stops fearing/respecting them. The threat of them is easily as dangerous as the command grabs themselves. Until then, pokes, and footsies, and anti-airs will bring home the bacon. Hugo is 80% pokes and claps, 10% Moonsault Press, and 10% other stuff. Zangief is 80% pokes and green hands, 10% SPDs, and 10% other stuff. Watch top players for grappler characters (for Zangief, Snake Eyez is the one to watch, for Hugo, Valle is probably the best) and you will see this.
This is really true of most characters though: if your opponent isn't respecting one of your moves, then use it against them until they do. Bonchan was actually playing a great anti-grappler game this match, but Valle just didn't bother to go for grabs because he knew trying to play regular grappler against the best Sagat in the world is a losing proposition. Instead, he just uses his armor and range to pressure Bonchan, who is limiting his backdashes and staying at a good range to react to grabs, but a terrible range to deal with Hugo's normals and armor. Valle is also a player who doesn't really respect optimal play too much (ie he is not as predictable in his followups - he's fine with using technically "sub-optimal" followups and normals because it makes him extremely difficult to predict). Bonchan made the mistake of thinking that Valle wanting to play the grab game, when Valle was fine with just threatening grabs and pounding Bonchan with range, armor, and unpredictable timings and followups. It's only when Bonchan starts to fall apart in the last match that Valle even starts trying to go for grabs - you can tell he was waiting for the chance to use the ultra and Bonchan was just under too much pressure and decided to risk the jump out. Lesson learned: make sure you're not playing your enemy's game, and make sure you KNOW what their game plan is. Bonchan played Valle's game and didn't even take a round off of him.
***** That was something I noticed as well. Bonchan literally cracked under the paranoia after the first round. Random wake up DPs, while being methodically walked down and elbowed to death. xD
When I first saw the length of this video I thought "poor Valle must have gotten bodied super hard" I guess need to have more faith in Uncle CaliPower.
@@marcos13r I don't mind JWong being a legend or whatever, I acknowledge that much, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm saying what James said is so fucking stupid, Valle is Valle and Wong is Wong, that comment just seemed biased and out of place to me.
You can see how Valle's technique is more reminiscent of Old Street Fighter, playing very defensively and using single, well-placed strikes. He shows that the old guys still got it.
@ɴɪɢɢᴇʀ I do! Because it's actually interesting to have an insight on old versus new school play styles. Maybe go back to playing Fortnite or Roblox if you'd game's to complicated for you to comprehend
I hadn’t been too impressed with Valle’s performance in IV tourneys … until this match. Not only did he beat one of the best Sagat players in the world - he utterly destroyed him, and in what’s supposedly one of the worst matchups in the game. This match will always be remembered as one of the most legendary upsets in the history of SFIV.
5:10 That's pretty much the face of Bonchan's inner soul And the face of every "pro" Japanese player around the world Watching one of their golden boys lose HARD to a mid-thirties SF2 hand playing their _"absolute bottom tier."_
If you older and watching this you understand how much this meant to Alex. He wanted to show how he still got it and is one of the most important players in the FGC and fighting game history. You deserve it, Alex!
Davethawave1999 Right. Lots of Hugo players understand this. Yet some people see him and assume everyone who uses Hugo just mashes SPD because he's a grappler. Not true.
Guys, see if you can help me: I have Juris neutral jumping me at close range and going to town. Can't react on time with a LK Backbreaker or ST.HP. What do you recommend? And of course, wonderful match.
That match-up is 9-1 Sagat, and Valle wrecked arguably the best Sagat in the world. It's too bad that he didn't make it much farther in the tournament, but he also no longer plays full time. If Valle dedicated himself again to playing full time, I'm positive he would still be one of the most terrifying, threatening players in the game. The simply fact that he can win one of the worst match ups in the game against one of the worlds greatest players speaks for itself. Who knows, maybe SF5 will call Valle back into action and we'll see him taking top 8's once again. That would certainly be something to witness.
Unoiled Hakan usf4 hugo is somehow the most alex valle character in existence and I am so heavily glad for it press big buttons, do goofy reads, become number 1
I remember playing against Alex in Southern California, San Fernando Valley, Family Fun Arcade along with Mike Watson and Tomo..James Cha, Graham, Jerry Evangelista (Blanka), Frenchie * Ryu, and others. I miss the old Arcade days when you placed that quarter up in line on the machine when it was your turn to play. GOOD TIMES!
So true bro, nowadays in arcades in my country only has gambling fish games for mostly those adults to play. Less of the fg consoles and if there's one, its heavily not maintained properly....
this is a very underated video. This is like Rock Balboa movie from 2006. Alex making a big win against a very good young player. Alex layed off the command grabs and focused on Hugo's good normals and no one expected that.
Literally came here after the "Top EVO moments" video. Never knew who Alex Valle was, never watched much Street Fighter, but holy shit the hype was fucking REAL.
tier lists are everything, valle had to play better than sagat because the matchup is awful, and on top of that play better than bonchan to win the set
I love it...Alex Valle with business/professional greying hair...1/2 size too small t shirt... jeans.... in 1000% dad mode.... reaching back in time for one more legendary performance... this is a movie
I have watched this 100 times. That "OOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!" from Mr Chen when Valle activates the ultra 2... the absolute best thing that could have been said as a commentator.... so hype.
Bonchan, at the beginning of this game at least, looked like he was just gonna blow through this match and get an easy win. Mid way through, he looked alittle mad, but still confident. After the match, he looked alittle mad, but otherwise just kind of accepted what happened. Such a range of emotions in such a short time lol
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Bonchan played to counter the command grab every time. Valle didn't even attempt a command grab the entire set.
My boy was clappin forever lol
@@erickgonzalez3166 who knew that clapping could stop projectiles lol
@@100purenacl3 i know right ?
@@erickgonzalez3166 makes perfect sense, in street fighter logic
@Nanybone For real. We're watching old SF finals, no way in hell we have girlfriends to even hack
Have to watch this at least once a month.
House Shark reminding you to watch it again this month
Yeah! he beat the japanese in their own game... saquen las chelas!
Same I’ve been watching this like 5 times a month lol
I know man. It is really inspiring and addictive
Sooooooo hyyyype.... getting me fired up to grind some ranked!!!!!
This is so sick. I remember a few months ago Valle was getting wrecked by some online (it was either XBL or PC, I forget which) Sagat for hours on stream, and he had kept telling people "no I'm not going to switch to Ryu, this is how you learn the matchup"... and now here you go! This matchup should be hard for Hugo, but this is a very good example of what practicing your bad matchups can do for you.
ESintu3 In part of that and reading players. Bonchan from all his performances in "mixed" competition (with a variety of different players and not just the japanese contingent he faces up against) has shown that if you get him on tilt, that he is prone to lose those games.
ESintu3 oh yeah I remember, the guys name was Swag
Fear is the first of many foes
Exactly
Leave the ego at the door and watch yourself grow.
Players aspiring to play grappler characters, take note of this match right here.
The greatest secret of grapplers is that their command grabs are put to best use if you only use them rarely. They are best used when your opponent stops fearing/respecting them. The threat of them is easily as dangerous as the command grabs themselves. Until then, pokes, and footsies, and anti-airs will bring home the bacon.
Hugo is 80% pokes and claps, 10% Moonsault Press, and 10% other stuff.
Zangief is 80% pokes and green hands, 10% SPDs, and 10% other stuff.
Watch top players for grappler characters (for Zangief, Snake Eyez is the one to watch, for Hugo, Valle is probably the best) and you will see this.
+Grant Larson Uhh thanks!! I love grapplers!!!
This is really true of most characters though: if your opponent isn't respecting one of your moves, then use it against them until they do. Bonchan was actually playing a great anti-grappler game this match, but Valle just didn't bother to go for grabs because he knew trying to play regular grappler against the best Sagat in the world is a losing proposition. Instead, he just uses his armor and range to pressure Bonchan, who is limiting his backdashes and staying at a good range to react to grabs, but a terrible range to deal with Hugo's normals and armor.
Valle is also a player who doesn't really respect optimal play too much (ie he is not as predictable in his followups - he's fine with using technically "sub-optimal" followups and normals because it makes him extremely difficult to predict). Bonchan made the mistake of thinking that Valle wanting to play the grab game, when Valle was fine with just threatening grabs and pounding Bonchan with range, armor, and unpredictable timings and followups. It's only when Bonchan starts to fall apart in the last match that Valle even starts trying to go for grabs - you can tell he was waiting for the chance to use the ultra and Bonchan was just under too much pressure and decided to risk the jump out.
Lesson learned: make sure you're not playing your enemy's game, and make sure you KNOW what their game plan is. Bonchan played Valle's game and didn't even take a round off of him.
Is this the cure for cancer ?
I prefer Hugo on StormKubo's hands, but Valle made it great too.
To be honest command grabs arent that dangerous if grappler doesnt have any okie after that.
Valle didn't do a SINGLE spd but Bonchan was so scared of that being a threat, he forgot about everything else Hugo had lol
***** That was something I noticed as well. Bonchan literally cracked under the paranoia after the first round. Random wake up DPs, while being methodically walked down and elbowed to death. xD
That's because Hugo can't spd
@@sirchris6047 yes he does, it's the Moonsault Press
@@lordshadow19 yeah but "MSP" doesn't sound as cool as "SPD"
which ISNT a spinning piledriver@@lordshadow19
When I first saw the length of this video I thought "poor Valle must have gotten bodied super hard" I guess need to have more faith in Uncle CaliPower.
munnypantz still kicking ass and taking names decades after making his own. A legend for the history of the fighting game community
Lupstersite Lupstersite did you paraphrase that from the "greatest evo moments" video haha
XxNeshayxX exactly what I was thinking lol
Never underestimate the power of strong fundamentals and experience
@@alexduran1967 Deadasd tho. Sometimes that's all you need 🙏
1:56 - Commentators thinking Valle dropped the clap combo, when he was really foreshadowing what would happen at 5:03.
Yea, pretty sure Valle was trying to bait a mashed EX DP, like he did at 5:01.
he even did the command minus the buttons, you can see because he crouched twice
He faked the dash in grab, he wanted the Anti Air the whole time.
Brilliant setup and execution
Damn I never would have noticed that, that's a really good catch, he was pumping the ultra 2 at 1:56 but didn't go for it because there was no jump.
"Alex Valle was the Justin Wong before Justin Wong" - James Chen 2015
5 years later, but whatever. What the fuck was James thinking?
@@maxownzor2thelawnmower776 It probably sounded better at the time
@@maxownzor2thelawnmower776 5 years later.. want or not. Justin Wong is a legend
@@marcos13r I don't mind JWong being a legend or whatever, I acknowledge that much, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm saying what James said is so fucking stupid, Valle is Valle and Wong is Wong, that comment just seemed biased and out of place to me.
MaxOwnzor2 The Lawnmower it’s also like saying, “Jordan was Lebron, before Lebron was Lebron.” That’s just plain disrespectful to Valle.
Bonchan got read into another dimension on that ultra II
It's too quick for it to be reactive.
@@chrispham6599 Are you blind? It was almost a full second he had to react.
It takes basically a full second to input the ultra lol
@@ensanesane it was an option select I think
It was anticipation plus reaction.
You can see how Valle's technique is more reminiscent of Old Street Fighter, playing very defensively and using single, well-placed strikes. He shows that the old guys still got it.
@ɴɪɢɢᴇʀ more people than you'll ever know
@ɴɪɢɢᴇʀ me
@ɴɪɢɢᴇʀ I do! Because it's actually interesting to have an insight on old versus new school play styles. Maybe go back to playing Fortnite or Roblox if you'd game's to complicated for you to comprehend
@ɴɪɢɢᴇʀ i know aint no way 💀
@@chrispham6599 whatchu say🤨
This may just be my favorite sf4 match now.
Amazing
b33lze6u6 the Hugo pressure, was too heavy to handle
+b33lze6u6 I love Sagat more than I can explain and I love watching him lose this match, haha!
ALL usf4 matches are amazing. USF4 indeed
Poongko Vs Pepeday Canada Cup is an amazing match also
You can't get more anime than Old Champion teaching a young champ a lesson.
He went full Pai Mei of the White Lotus on him. Bonchan can't even be mad, that's an old master taking you to school. It's a humbling defeat.
Daigo’s og rival
"It doesn't matter what your notes say!!!" 🤣
That's the part I come back to this video for... impossible not to smile when he says it!
Me too, 2 years late, it's doesn't matter what your notes say, the is Alex Valle
Infiltration is still clapping to this day..
lol
This comment ages well
Someone saw Infiltration still clapping 2020
he's still clapping. Look into it.
Yea...his wife...
Dear Japan,
Today i picked 1 of your bottom five caracter
And it felt great
Sincerely yours
A. Valle
I hadn’t been too impressed with Valle’s performance in IV tourneys … until this match. Not only did he beat one of the best Sagat players in the world - he utterly destroyed him, and in what’s supposedly one of the worst matchups in the game. This match will always be remembered as one of the most legendary upsets in the history of SFIV.
6 years later and this is still the best USFIV clip.
5:10
That's pretty much the face of Bonchan's inner soul
And the face of every "pro" Japanese player around the world
Watching one of their golden boys lose HARD
to a mid-thirties SF2 hand playing their _"absolute bottom tier."_
Hugo avenges all his grappler comrades who have fallen to Sagat
"No. You do not wreck me. I wreck you." -Hugo
Between and getting Max to scream I think Hugo is a threat never to be slept on
Gotta come back and watch this every now and then.
Sameee
If you older and watching this you understand how much this meant to Alex. He wanted to show how he still got it and is one of the most important players in the FGC and fighting game history. You deserve it, Alex!
Crazy set. This is probably one of the worst matchup in the game and Valle just makes Hugo destroyed Sagat clean, amazing job
I comeback to watch this every now and then. One of the sickest sets.
That was my favorite match for pools.
Agreed. By far the hypest moment from start to finish
Christon Han We're gonna see a shit tons of Hugo on Live now!
Christon Han agree
Couldn't help but notice that Valle didn't get a single SPD. Grapplers deserve more respect. Not all of us churn butter 24/7.
JackBauered770 Who needs it when you got the CLAP and Hard Punch :)
JackBauered770 not needed when clap is a thing and you got your opponent practically playing into all your options. Half the works is done.
Davethawave1999 Right. Lots of Hugo players understand this. Yet some people see him and assume everyone who uses Hugo just mashes SPD because he's a grappler. Not true.
JackBauered770 Not using the spd is also a valid tactic as a mind game.
Guys, see if you can help me: I have Juris neutral jumping me at close range and going to town. Can't react on time with a LK Backbreaker or ST.HP.
What do you recommend?
And of course, wonderful match.
I got chills hearing the crowd reacting to the two double elbows hitting, one after the other while the announcers are getting hype. Beautiful
That match-up is 9-1 Sagat, and Valle wrecked arguably the best Sagat in the world. It's too bad that he didn't make it much farther in the tournament, but he also no longer plays full time. If Valle dedicated himself again to playing full time, I'm positive he would still be one of the most terrifying, threatening players in the game. The simply fact that he can win one of the worst match ups in the game against one of the worlds greatest players speaks for itself. Who knows, maybe SF5 will call Valle back into action and we'll see him taking top 8's once again. That would certainly be something to witness.
This matchup is 6-4 Sagat at worst for Hugo. Hugo's clap and meat squasher are both good tools for dealing with Sagat's zoning.
holy shit valle.
Unoiled Hakan usf4 hugo is somehow the most alex valle character in existence and I am so heavily glad for it
press big buttons, do goofy reads, become number 1
Unoiled Hakan This might be at the level of "Justin Wong vs Daigo", I'm rewatching the ultra 2 read over and over !
+Unoiled Hakan LOL I was gonna type that shit lmfaooooo!
I remember playing against Alex in Southern California, San Fernando Valley, Family Fun Arcade along with Mike Watson and Tomo..James Cha, Graham, Jerry Evangelista (Blanka), Frenchie * Ryu, and others. I miss the old Arcade days when you placed that quarter up in line on the machine when it was your turn to play. GOOD TIMES!
So true bro, nowadays in arcades in my country only has gambling fish games for mostly those adults to play. Less of the fg consoles and if there's one, its heavily not maintained properly....
This gave me goosebumps, Valle wasn't fucking around lol.
Same here
And just like that, Alex Valle makes me buy Ultra on PC. Glorious Hugo match without an SPD at that!
MangoBarrier did you buy it?
Infiltration's expression at the back makes this moment even most priceless!
Still my favorite Evo moment.
More than 37?
@@jayy_93 that's the best evo moment, but it's not my favorite either
this is one of the matches that give me goosebumps every time i see it
Damn that pressure ... I guess Alex Valle counters flowcharts and framedata.
infiltration approves
+necromancerduo He said that this was the hypest moment of EVO for him.
I liked him getting so hyped for the match
It is incredible he didn't stop applauding Valle the whole time!
as a man who bodied somebody who was a favourite by using Hakan
he was sharing the spotlight with the ACTUAL low tier gods
this is still my favorite and most memorable match of evo 2015
this is a very underated video. This is like Rock Balboa movie from 2006. Alex making a big win against a very good young player. Alex layed off the command grabs and focused on Hugo's good normals and no one expected that.
I remember watching this live, it was and is still so hype. I love SF6, but i can't imagine there being something this hype in an sf6 tournament.
This is why low tier are cool.
I love how intently Inflitration is watching the match. Just cool seeing top level players studying.
"He stole his soul" - LMFAO. I love Valle, his Hugo is disgusting.
That Hugo elbow is a monster. Used to kill people in the corner with it. The fact that it’s also anti air is ridiculous
It's 2020 and I'm still watching this awesome match. Alex Valle is a Legend.
I have watched this a lot. Still one of my favorite street fighter matches ever
I hope this will finally make the Japanese players research Hugo more. It's shocking how little regard they have for that character.
Literally came here after the "Top EVO moments" video. Never knew who Alex Valle was, never watched much Street Fighter, but holy shit the hype was fucking REAL.
one of the most memorable moments during the EVO'15 ^^
every year... i am here, at least once, to watch this match. love it.
came back again in 2021 to watch this amazing match!! dude its half way to 1million views!! incredible.
the crowds reaction at 2:55 legit sounds like the smash bros audience sound effects
This is probably the hardest match up in Street Fighter history against the best Sagat in the world.
Valle showing tier lists aren't everything.
i would say Gouken against Hugo is the worst.
But I don't see T Hawk and Blanka in this
tier lists are everything, valle had to play better than sagat because the matchup is awful, and on top of that play better than bonchan to win the set
3.3, chun li vs twelve, this matchup is most probably the worst of sf history
I knew watching this live that capcom would put this straight up on UA-cam . Epic reads from Mr Streetfighter
5:03
Give him a hand!
Give him another hand!
AWWWWWHHHHHH!
3:48 It doesn't matter what your notes say James! It's Alex Valle! Butt to face!
That goddamn point Valle does at the end is just legendary, he's just like "I still got it and you shall fear me".
B O D Y B A G B O Y Z
I like the part where Infiltration tries to figure out what Alex Valle is pointing to.
I paused Excellent Adventures to come watch this match
+music guy bobby scar
+music guy LMAO why would u make publivc that you watch those clowns. dumb 09er
+Dalesy617 lmao
+Dalesy617 lmao
music guy dude me too lol
That last round is one of the most memorable in all of SF4
You can even see him pick super 2 and you don’t think anything of it. Then it happens. What a legend.
"Bonchan is fighting for his soul right now." gets me every time I watch this
2:25 Infiltration just K.O.'d God with that epic blink
Goochkilla stop dude 😂 you’re killing me lol How did you see that?!?
He literally bent space with that blink
I remember before I left for the Army I watched Daigo face Alex back in the 90s lol It's wild to see them still doing what they love yearsssss later.
these commentators are so good and making a awesome match even better. what a video daym!
I miss these days so much
I finally found the source of the Core-A Gaming clip
Uncle Valle best Hugo? That was pretty convincing
Valle's Hugo is too powerful!
Too stronk
It's a shame he didn't go very far after that. :(
Rj bell When people stop giving a fuck about reads and just go in and have their way with Hugo, its a thing.
...that's Alex *FUCKING* Valle, to you, sir.
Man SF4 tournaments were something else...
Knowing how good bonchan is makes this video hilarious
I love it...Alex Valle with business/professional greying hair...1/2 size too small t shirt... jeans.... in 1000% dad mode.... reaching back in time for one more legendary performance... this is a movie
Hype as fuck! Hugo is always hype when he does well against top players.
Hugo is like the Wall of Flesh boss fight in Terraria. Slowly creeping up on you until suddenly it's right in your face and you can only panic.
In most match-ups, Sagat forces hid opponent to play a long, careful, defensive counterplay... Hugo flips the script entirely.
See this, this is the first match I didn't get put to sleep while it had Bonchan in it. Good match
Infiltration was secretly taking notes while clapping. Daigo also off camera next to the MCZ grill taking notes as well.
This match is the DEFINITIVE proof that Mastery of Fundementals beats Notes, Frame Data, and Tier Lists. Always
This wasn't even a GF still more HYPE than any SF5 match.
Why can’t I thumbs up this twice?
I have watched this 100 times. That "OOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!" from Mr Chen when Valle activates the ultra 2... the absolute best thing that could have been said as a commentator.... so hype.
that was amazing by valle most hyped match of evo
3:46 lol that was funny
when one sf4 match is better than the entire sf6 capcom cup
Now 2023 and still watch to this ! This is the spirit that Capcom still not manage to get back.
Banished to the fucking shadow realm
Bonchan, at the beginning of this game at least, looked like he was just gonna blow through this match and get an easy win. Mid way through, he looked alittle mad, but still confident. After the match, he looked alittle mad, but otherwise just kind of accepted what happened. Such a range of emotions in such a short time lol
Bruh this matchup was supposed to be 7 - 3 for Sagat AT LEAST but Valle just lived in Bonchan's head rent free the whole matcch.
The Old Man Stil Has His Power!
This might be my favorite EVO moment. Long live, Alex Valle. Long live, SFIV.
Wow! He literraly destroyed the best sagat. OMFG
Always You must respect
Old school
really one of the best games ever
In the game Fun to watch
DAAAAAMN SON. I didn't think he still had it in him!
James Chen's reaction on this video is priceless I love his commentary
Wow this dude is a year older than me 41 now and he did banchan like That!!!😨😨😨 Sorry I'm so late I'm just now getting into the pro stuff 😬😎💯🕹
The guys on commentary deserve their credit and especially that guy who called it The People’s Elbow 😂
Classic set.
Come watch this match every now and then for the hype
Bonchan jumping away and getting punished is like that scene from Bambi where the quail is like WE GOTTA FLY
5:05 James Chen lost his vocal cords right there.
Love the fact that at the start there's a sign saying "may contain content inappropriate for children" so true