@@trevg9450 exactly! They hadn't even spoken in February and we had pretty much no chance at CL at that point. Did they not mention managers to him and if not, why not?
Something for people to be aware of, since Ineos took over at Nice in 2019 they've had 7 managers. 7 managers in 5 years. Only one of those was an interim.
Well done Joe, this was a very clear breakdown of what we ,or the journalists claim to know, about what has happened. Having said that, I do hope the fan channels (and a lot are doing this) don't mimic the general media in their haste to beat United and Ineos continuously too hard and swell a general negativity towards the club. The mass media do a very good job of that. The fan channels were always different in not easily joining the journalist bandwagon. Ineos inherited an absolute crap show from the Glazers and Ratcliffe has not invested 2 billion pounds to see the club deteriorate further. Tough and unpopular decisions were obviously going to happen. I'm going to give them 2 years before judging them too seriously at the moment.
We're losing our soul...and even if we resurrect the football side...at what cost. I said it would be like this, and I for one wanted someone to dip deep into their pockets, buy the Club...and sell it to the fans. Instead we have a group of wanna bes who have screwed many workers over...reduced their rights...and put them out of a job. Just look at their Portfolio...and their history. No real love for the Club and fans is apparent...just pawns and nos to them, not human beings.
It's not about judging them now, or benefit of the doubt. It's clear that they've made errors when hiring him, including the process of doing so and they need to learn. If you've hired anyone at any level, who go on to fail probation, you look back at your process and how you've missed the problems that arose
Bring in the only man who told the truth about the club! I’d absolutely love Ralf Rangnick back at the club a man who’s lived and breathed football all he’s life who knows what he’s doing!!!!
I wish we could’ve brought in Paul Mitchell as head of recruitment, and Rangnick as Director of Football. The two worked together well at Red Bull group.
The way I’m choosing to interpret it is that Ineos realised they got the wrong guy in Ashworth and dealt with the problem quickly. The Glazers would have promoted him.
@ChristianComito-e7d if you are saying Woodward failed upward, I'd strongly disagree. To start, I'm not saying he did a good job. But I feel he did exactly what the Glazers wanted him to do, that's bring in more money.
@csolivais1979 When he was in charge of the football department, IE transfers. He did well when he was in charge of bringing in more money and sponsors, but that was easy when we were the best team in the world. He should have left his post after that debacle in 2013, and gone back to finance.
@@overproofmusic the two aren't mutually exclusive. Does not mean it was the right decision and now they have to penny pinch even more after wasting £5m at least on Ashworth.
I have worked around football most of my life and you have done the best analysis of events I have seen. I normally click off after a couple of minutes - you completely understand the dynamic of the boardroom - ........and on why end of day - maybe they wanted to bring in the US Directors after the match and it escalated
Interesting to look back at this after the Bournemouth and Newcastle humiliations. Makes you wonder if in fact Ashworth was the respected football man who was talking sense. Ashworth had misgivings about bringing in a coach in Amorim so wedded to a 3-4-2-1 system which has no track record of success in England didn’t suit the players available, especially lack of legs in midfield and lack of wing backs. Ratcliffe clearly rates himself highly and thought it would all be onwards and upwards when he got his hands on things. Not looking so easy now. It’s hard to point to anything Ratcliffe has done so far that has been a success.
Why do you, and others, keep insisting that Dan Ashworth was the one who wanted to keep Erik ten Hag or decided to retain him? It’s clear that this decision was made before Ashworth’s appointment. More importantly, he gave an interview explicitly stating that he had nothing to do with it. This feels like a convenient attempt to shift blame onto someone leaving the club, making him the scapegoat for everything that has gone wrong, while those remaining come out looking better by comparison. 0:02
Ashworth also denied wanting Southgate. We'll eventually learn the truth, it always comes out once the media gets bored and moves on, but it will be too late for Ashworth.
Let's be honest, even before he was officially appointed, he was working for the club having regular meetings with ppl like berrada and SJR. Just bcos the press didn't know about it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. So it's very possible that Ashworth was very pro ETH and he was the reason the rest gave ETH a chance.
@@askwhy3659the club is leaking the Southgate and ETH rumors to slander Ashworth. There is an interview on September 3 where Omar Barreda said himself and Ashworth weren't involved in the decision to extend ETH because the decision was made before they joined the club. To me that's evidence that the rumors are outright lies.
I rate INEOS even more for this. They could’ve played it safe and kept Dan Ashworth because they’re pals but they chose what was best for the club. They gave Dan a chance to step up in his career and he was way out of his depth. People get sacked everyday for incompetency, it’s really not that deep. I trust Omar Berrarda to get the right replacement based on his work at Barca and City rather than keeping Dan Ashworth bringing in Newcastle and Brighton recommendations.
Your reasons for believing Ashworth is crap were well known as his views before INEOS went and got him. We all knew it. If the things you’re talking about were the reasons then INEOS did zero due diligence and are even more inept. Also Ratcliffe said he wasn’t going to interfere and instead leave it to the football people, yet here we are with Ratcliffe yet again getting involved. And this comes after the mid season ticket price disgrace fronted by Ratcliffe and his lame detached views about what Fulham fans pay. Lastly, don’t get me started on the public search for ETHs replacement pre cup final then totally bottling it post cup final and extended useless ETHs contract (wasting yet more FFP money). Yet you rate INEOS even more now! 🤯
If he was sacked based on his approach, then that’s incompetency on the club’s behalf; there’s no way he decided to change his approach to the role at United, so what he did at the club would have been what he did at previous clubs, so why hire him in the first place?
Reminds me of moyes, a guy who spent his career at mid table level and is totally exposed at United. Ratcliffe saw this and cut him early. If he’s wanting Howe as United manager imagine the kind of players he wanted us to buy. Good riddance
As if United have a record of signing good players. Some fans were saying Forest has better players. How come United signs the most expensive players but turns out to be garbage when they start playing for the Team?
@@tomtomtombossa United had no football structure since Fergie left until now. Ashworth was hired deemed a bad appointment and sacked. What’s hard to understand?
It sounded like he’s gotten away with working for boards who weren’t very involved and let him outsource most of his actual work to other companies, then employ his same set of English mates tbh.
Things got figured out without him thanks to the long gardening leave. When he eventually starts, it became obvious they didn't need him. And when things don't go well, he is the most expendable. How things could have been very different if he had left Newcastle sooner.
It sounds like his input was to delegate all the stuff they expected him to do to third parties at a cost, then try to give jobs to his mates. How does it get to that stage through all the interviews etc? Was there never a conversation about what his role would look like in all those months? Weird.
@@ashearera For a so-called Reset...it seems quite poor all round...and it has caused issues with managers, player recruitment and style, and results-wise.
Can moan all you want, there not assed if you don't renew and stop going, there is 75k on the waiting list most from Hong Kong and china be full of day trippers before you know it
I mean, it’s easy enough to imagine Ashworth shouting “I told you Amorim wouldn’t work! Why the fuck didn’t we get Southgate?” or something like that to the other executives. Did it happen? How the fuck would I know. How would anybody know? We can speculate all day long, but… we won’t know until someone in the room decides to put it in their autobiography or an interview.
I think the rarest ability of every leader, be it president, CEO, manager, etc. is the ability to anticipate and foresee things coming your way and have a solution prior to the inevitable outcome and be decisive with your decisions when the time comes. From what I gather from all the news coming around lately is not only Dan Ashworth didn’t have the solution when EtH was sacked, but he was completely unprepared for it and didn’t even expect the sacking, hoping that his opinion of keeping the manager will be respected by the ownership. Now, Dan Ashworth was a director, an executive and every executive’s job is to find the best solutions in order to implement the board’s decisions. Sure, you can give the board your opinion or you can give them your feedback, but ultimately, when they decide to do something or to go on a path, you have to be prepared to execute that task. And you have to be decisive.
And now what do you think? Ashworth was correct, Amorim isn’t the right man for the job. The Wolves manager has arrived and quickly made the players better, results have improved even with no new players. Amorim has arrived and made the players infinitely worse. The team looks appalling and relegation fodder. By his own admission, he only plays one way, and that way will not cut it in the Premier League.
I still think Ashworth wasn’t the right fit for Ineos. Or for SJR’s taste to be more specific. I think he likes slow decision making, he likes gathering and analyzing tons of data before making a decision, hence the request to hire a data analytics company when he was asked to come up with a replacement for EtH which didn’t bide well with a billionaire’s mindset. Business owners and/or executives rarely have time to waste, especially in moments of crisis. They want everyone to act fast, like a lawyer. You pay a lawyer for the expertise, the experience and the knowledge they already possess. You don’t have time to wait for them to rush to the library. SJR is exactly that type of person and even if Berrada was the one that hired Amorim, I’m sure Ratcliffe gave him the green light. Ultimately, if Amorim project fails, at least he himself is responsible 100%. And I also think that was the commitment and dedication he expected from Ashworth and when he didn’t get it, he fired him. Plain and simple. Regarding Amorim, I don’t think he is a bad idea for the future. His style doesn’t suit some of the players he has now but at least he knows how to get a struggling team to win championships. Consecutive championships. And, after each year, to lose his star players and go at it again, that’s huge.
@@gruffy4967 still, he was an underdog for Benfica and Porto. Plus, Inter got to a CL final playing 3-5-2, Atalanta plays the most attractive football in Italy in a 3-4-3, Alonso went undefeated to win the championship in Germany with a 3-4-3. When everybody else becomes obsessed to replicate Pep’s football, there will always be some others that will challenge his status quo. Trends come and go in football as they do in life. In 5 years time maybe we will see the 4-4-2 system back. If a manager knows a system well and has the right players, why not trust him? Hell, even Pep tried the 3-4-3 in Barcelona for a few games in the begging. Cruyff tried it too, even though only on a few occasions. If we get the recruitment right, we might catch a break. Defensively I like it, we’re conceding half the shots we were conceding with EtH. We were dominated each game possession wise. Now we had the possession both on Etihad and Emirates. And you have to factor in that Amorim had very few opportunities to conduct proper training sessions. He said it himself in the last press conference, he only had the time for 4 training sessions. Let’s see coming February, provided we get knocked out of FA Cup, if he’ll have the chance to conduct more training sessions. Let’s see if we’ll be better then.
@@andreichivu8892 Pereiera at Wolves has had as few sessions, with a smaller team of players of a lesser standard and he has had a positive impact on them.
I said it day 1, something must have happened that day, to be fired. I'm sure they were starting to clash over direction and control. Maybe that day he criticised them after the loss for signing Ruben and that was what broke the camels back
Laurie, Ornstein & Adam have already said that the whole system was too bloated. He very likely won’t be replaced. What exactly is the difference between what Wilcox does & what Ashworth was supposed to be doing anyway?
@@DavyMagowan no one is signing them United players at those wages. Or the players need to take massive pay cuts (which we know they won't , and shouldn't)
That's what I think...or I told you Southgate was your man. He was too hurriedly rushed out of doors by two staff...at front of OT...there's been a blow-up
Is it possible that his dismissal is nothing to do with his performance? Dismissals that happen so quickly can sometimes be because of inappropriate behaviour.
To be perfectly honest, finding a PL proven manager might not have been a bad shout. The Southgate thing is a canard for me, it's just speculation by SP.
Been watching Man U for 50 years many ups and downs, I had season ticket for many years, live abroad now so just watch all games on TV. For the first time after the forest game it was the last straw ( sick of watching the same boring games) I have finally lost interest, won't be watching on Sunday won't even look for the result. There is something terrible going on at the club, it's no longer the Manchester United I know and love. Very sad
I thing ir was genious. Because now you are not talking of the game but about the struture of the culb. This was a big point for Amorim because he starts to take his hands on the struture he wants to change in MU ! You should be happy because Amorim will change everthing! Like he did in SCP! ❤
Best video I've seen in this channel! Stretford Jesus solo, preaching the honest truth. With more room to construct and elaborate his narrative on a more serious and reflective tone. Interesting deep thoughts that certainly gives us something to think about. Cheers
We make an executive decision to cut bait quickly when the guy doesn’t fit and we get complaints. We keep a guy too long we get complaints. I applaud the quick decision. At the level of money INEOS has it’s a small price to pay to make moves. We have all taken jobs that weren’t right and dated someone that wasn’t right and had to make quick decisions to change. It happens
Jim Ratcliffe is a ruthless business man , you dont come from nothing to where he is financially by being all nicey nice , Ive worked with these type of people , loyalty is not in their lexicon , all they are interested in is getting the job done at any cost .
I think it seems barrada, Wilcox and maybe blanc were all doing aspects of what ratcliff thought was within ashworths remit. Then when they did listen to him they weren’t impressed and they thought they may as well get rid.
It might be as simple as we brought in too many people to run this club. Even with Ashworth going we still have Berrada, Wilcox and Vivell to run the sporting side. Add to that Blanc, Brailsford and Ratcliffe who are all gonna have opinions on how things should be run even if they're not involved in the day to day business. Whilst it doesn't look good from the outside looking in, this is not the end of the world.
Seems a bit knee jerk for me. The season was nose diving and it obviously wasn't enough to only get rid of Ten Hag. Surely they negotiated with Ashworth first to assess how he would fit in? Looks like Ratcliffe had a "Who's Queen?" moment (check out Blackadder if you don't understand that reference). Ineos are beginning to look like a disaster, as some warned they would be.
I see so many people being distracted by "He wanted Soutgate", but the rumours about Southgate being an option came long before Ashworth was at United. For me the buck stops with Sir Jim as he is the Co-owner. He was the guy running his mouth about Ashworth being a 10/10. Clearly there was no real due dilligence carried out. The Geordies were glad to see the back of Ashworth and as an Arsenal fan I don't want him anywhere near my Club. Obviously I'm being overly dramatic and pessimistic, but if Sir Jim runs United in the same way he's run Nice, many Untied fans will see the Glazers incompetence as wizardry compared to what Sir Jim has in store for the Club.
Personally I think getting rid shows deciveness.I was a bit confused why we had so many decisions makers.. and I thought it was a bit strange getting someone who had only worked at mid level clubs... so I personally see this as a good sign that ineos are not messing around....man we need a left back
Strange timing how he gets sacked after Kath passed away. Wonder if something distasteful was said... 🤔 I believe there is more to this story than they are letting on. 📖 ⚽️
People crying for Ten Hag to be sacked asap don’t realize how close we came to getting Southgate; thank goodness Berrada stepped in. 😅 I’m even more glad we didn’t do it right after the final, because I’d take Amorim over Tuchel or Southgate any day. I agree, I’m worried about how INEOS and company are upsetting the apple cart, and not in good way.
Great video and I agree the timing is suspect and very unprofessional. Add that to trying to cancel the box and seats of the Bugsby family, my faith that Sir Jim and Ineos can run this ship is very slim. My faith that Amorim can get it done on the pitch is very high. I also believe with time the players will get there. We will have some loses and frustrattion but they will get there.
Newcastle supporter here. All was not well at Newcastle with Ashworth. Rumour has it, he and Eddie Howe did not see eye to eye. A few things you are accusing Ashworth of, you should check dates. Many happened before Ashworth started there. A lot were also not his job.
Imagine wanting Howe and Southgate as manager for United. It wouldn’t have therefor been a surprise if we got linked to Joelinton and Guehi as our superstar summer signings…
@@righthonourablezeus3828 we already have Joelinton and Howe is good enough. Marc Guehi is a good player, his physicality and speed is valuable. For 35m maybe but not 70m
It is rather odd timing - but some things we will never know. We can speculate all you like, but without a definitive statement from the club we will never be sure. It does seem very likely that Dan Ashworth was the one responsible for not only keeping ETH but EXTENDING his contract when not necessary or deserved! That still leaves the question of the timing ..... why not after sacking ETH, or the day after the match ...... some heated words must have been exchanged and it all blew up.
while you laugh saying he suggested Southgate, keep in mind that he signed in De Ligt, Mazaoui, Yoro, Ugarte and Zirkzee in for us, and his predecessor signed in Anthony..... beside, we actually might be better off with Southgate than Amorim right now. we are literally fighting against relegation, while Southgate took England into several finals when England have not manage to enter into a final for the last few decades... keep that in your mind.
I wonder if when we started to lose on Saturday he said something along the lines of "I told you he's not the man for the job" after probably being overruled with Ruben. Within ear shot of Jim and away he goes.
Very interesting point made on the timing of the sacking. It kind of sound like Jim was in a bad mood and took it out on Dan. I am sure there was more to it than that but it might have been a factor.
If anyone remembers didn’t Ashworth send himself a email by accident which caused a few problems with getting him from Newcastle. Seems like he was always incompetent now.
If Ineos don't get rid of the likes of Rashford, Shaw, Antony etc, then they need to get out of the club, they have no bloody idea how to run football club as they think they are.
I don't think this is bad on the club or new ownership. Sometimes things just don't work out in business and I'm happy the club is being run more like an actual business.
I like the way you skirt over the jumping ship from Newcastle and his alleged email misconduct. No 10/10 employee does that. No 10/10 business recruits a rat like that without one eye on the lack of integrity.
I can't see a turnaround this season. We are where we are with a disjointed side, players past their sell by date, and players not worth the money spent on them. It's a real mess.
It just doesn't add up to me that he's been sacked because he doesn't agree about a few things. Something has clearly gone on behind the scenes, smacks of gross misconduct to me!
Sometimes when you've bet a lot of money on a hand it becomes apparent you can't win. And no matter how much money you've already lost and how tempting it is to go all the way, it's better to just fold. I don't mind this. Even if they do this a few times, it's a fraction of what they'll waste if they get signings wrong. These are the foundations, get it right.
2:34 because his signings did not have an instant effect on their league position as they aren’t interested in being youth through or in to making them in to world class players; they wanted instant improvement not a better future long term with younger, cheaper, chances of world class in their future. They needed a bring in players and a manager to win now and keep their popularity with the fans, but more investors and sponsors. 6:446:446:446:456:45
This analysis and almost all other analysis on the net are done by people who are used to watching football games and trying to assess business. For this reason you get remarks like not 'getting along with other managers'. Not one word about Ashworth applying the company's STRATEGY or not. Also, not one reason why Ratcliff in his position as shareholder has intervened in daily operations. My advice is for all bloggers to either study business administration or to limit themselves to watching football games. Note that you don't discuss football teams and matches but business and managing companies.
Good logical in depth look at this situation with the best information available. I think Amorim is a great signing and has all the attributes/abilities to be great but will only be able to achieve that if we are as ruthless with players as we are with managers and DoFs. Of all the people brought in i think ashworth had the lowest winning cv but was an upgrade to murtough and woodward so was okay with it.
I found that the Ashworth sacking really brought the Qatar fans out of the woodwork again. It's like they were all just sitting quietly, waiting for some drama so they could slate Ineos and Sir Jim..
As sporting director one of their core primary roles is in hiring new players and managers. The rumors' going Old Trafford is that Ashworth had no say in who the new manager was going to be. If the rumor is correct then it would mean his position as sporting director has no power at the club if others are going over his head and doing transfers/hiring without his input or say so. If you have people undermining you all the time, that position becomes untenable and the person has no choice but to leave. The club will always suffer from rumors because of who they are. Every transfer the press always link the club to nearly every important player on the planet as 'someone the club is interested in'. The manager situation is a very good example of that. People at the club talk about the manager situation and suddenly the press make articles of 'United are reported to be interested in X'. I have no doubt Ashworth had a good idea of who he wanted to be United's next manager but he kept it a very close secret. As for him wanting ETH to stay, people need to remember that he was not yet an employee of the club when the thoughts/ideas of sacking ETH was going round the club because he was still on 'gardening leave' from Newcastle. Therefore technically he was still under contract with Newcastle and thus his input into United would have been severely limited. I am sure the club asked Ashworth for his thoughts on the sacking of ETH but there is no way the club would have taken his views/opinions seriously due to the fact he was not yet an employee of the club. Yes he signed a contract at the club BUT until the end of contract date with Newcastle is reached, Ashworth would not have been a United employee when the decision to not sack ETH would have been made.
Excellent video, good points made in a measured way. So much better than some of the ranting stuff out there that has no depth. You, S.H. and Andy Mitten are worth listening to. INEOS called it wrong on Ashworth, very poor reflection of their ability to run United. You'd have thought they'd have done their due-diligence on Ashworth before appointing him. I couldn't think of a worse appointment than Southgate who cost England a trophy in recent years with his negativity so clearly he's not aligned with the CEO/COO, performance and technical director's. I think Wilcox will step into the S.D. role, a job he held at Southampton. I hope everyone recognises everything Ralf Rangnick said about United has turned out to be true. Completely wasted being interim manager, should have been retained in a Sporting/technical role. He is intelligent enough to see what needed fixing.
Say what you want about him wanting Southgate and Howe but let’s call a spade a spade here, INEOS look totally incompetent for this move (on the back of the ETH firing)
Not really, they gave him a big opportunity to step up and he flopped. I respect INEOS for getting rid of their mate for the betterment of the club. That takes big balls, they took Omar Berrardas side as he has been at Barca and Man City, he knows how a successful football club should be ran. Dan Ashworth came from Brighton and Newcastle.
@ right so paying the compensation to fire the guy that you had to pay compensation for to get all because you realized you didn’t like him as much as you thought- and then canceling the club Christmas parties whilst simultaneously raising ticket prices to cut corners makes them look brilliant and totally respectful 😂
@@paulhague2333 still a terrible look after the layoffs and proposed ticket increases. I don’t know how anyone can see it any other way right now. Maybe a year or two down the road it will make sense but right now the optics are very poor on INEOS this on the back of keeping Ten Hag only to fire him a couple months later
Keeping Ten Hag was the only mistake here in my opinion. Cuts or layoffs needed to be made, that's a completely separate point in my eyes. Ticket prices haven't gone up for a decade iirc, an increase was probably due and justifiable at this point. Ashworth, if true, suggested Southgate and deserves the sack purely based on that. Let's not try to begin INEOS is shit narrative like everyone else eh. Utd have been a shit show for years now, if anything this is just keeping up the tradition. We are currently the laughing stock for a reason but if fans of this club can't stick by it then we might as well start watching American football 😅
Donald Trump: “We’re going to build a wall and Mexico will pay for it” Jim Ratcliffe: “We’re going to waste millions of pounds and the fans and minimum wage staff will pay for it”
Mexico did not pay for the construction of the wall along the U.S-Mexico border. While former Trump frequently claimed during his 2016 campaign that Mexico would pay for the wall, this did not materialise. The funding for sections of the border wall came from U.S. government appropriations and, in some cases, funds reallocated from other federal programs
If he wanted Southgate in glad he’s gone
It is a sackable offence to be fair
A lot people falling for that made up story 😂
Haven't watched it yet so idk who's reported that but if there's even a chance of that being true then good riddance
@@GordyB666how would you know?!
@@GordyB666 we have no idea it's true or not
It's wild! Took our sporting director and then binned him off after 6 months, so much wasted money and yet staff can't have a Christmas party
It's a sackable offense if Southgate was his option
So what hell is Radcliff doing hiring someone who would even remotely consider Southgate.
@@trevg9450 exactly! They hadn't even spoken in February and we had pretty much no chance at CL at that point. Did they not mention managers to him and if not, why not?
Cracked me up
Are you an Expert?😂
Southgate was not his option
Something for people to be aware of, since Ineos took over at Nice in 2019 they've had 7 managers. 7 managers in 5 years. Only one of those was an interim.
Well done Joe, this was a very clear breakdown of what we ,or the journalists claim to know, about what has happened. Having said that, I do hope the fan channels (and a lot are doing this) don't mimic the general media in their haste to beat United and Ineos continuously too hard and swell a general negativity towards the club. The mass media do a very good job of that. The fan channels were always different in not easily joining the journalist bandwagon. Ineos inherited an absolute crap show from the Glazers and Ratcliffe has not invested 2 billion pounds to see the club deteriorate further. Tough and unpopular decisions were obviously going to happen. I'm going to give them 2 years before judging them too seriously at the moment.
Great comment. Couldn’t agree more.
Perfect comment, unfortunately most of the fan base think they know exactly what United need. They have all become experts thanks to social media.
Romano said he was fully behind Amiron and got very well with him. Or according to you he’s full of shit
We're losing our soul...and even if we resurrect the football side...at what cost. I said it would be like this, and I for one wanted someone to dip deep into their pockets, buy the Club...and sell it to the fans. Instead we have a group of wanna bes who have screwed many workers over...reduced their rights...and put them out of a job. Just look at their Portfolio...and their history. No real love for the Club and fans is apparent...just pawns and nos to them, not human beings.
It's not about judging them now, or benefit of the doubt. It's clear that they've made errors when hiring him, including the process of doing so and they need to learn. If you've hired anyone at any level, who go on to fail probation, you look back at your process and how you've missed the problems that arose
Bring in the only man who told the truth about the club! I’d absolutely love Ralf Rangnick back at the club a man who’s lived and breathed football all he’s life who knows what he’s doing!!!!
Agree
Sounds like Cristiano would be another one as well! 😂
Yeah, but isn't he really into the whole making Austria a powerhouse thing for the foreseeable future?
I wish we could’ve brought in Paul Mitchell as head of recruitment, and Rangnick as Director of Football. The two worked together well at Red Bull group.
@ that’s not a bad shout but would love Van Der Sar as DOF
The way I’m choosing to interpret it is that Ineos realised they got the wrong guy in Ashworth and dealt with the problem quickly. The Glazers would have promoted him.
See Ed Woodward.
"Fail Up".
@ChristianComito-e7d if you are saying Woodward failed upward, I'd strongly disagree. To start, I'm not saying he did a good job. But I feel he did exactly what the Glazers wanted him to do, that's bring in more money.
@csolivais1979 When he was in charge of the football department, IE transfers. He did well when he was in charge of bringing in more money and sponsors, but that was easy when we were the best team in the world. He should have left his post after that debacle in 2013, and gone back to finance.
So why don't you blame them for failing to notice that before they paid millions in time and money for him?
@@overproofmusic the two aren't mutually exclusive. Does not mean it was the right decision and now they have to penny pinch even more after wasting £5m at least on Ashworth.
I have worked around football most of my life and you have done the best analysis of events I have seen. I normally click off after a couple of minutes - you completely understand the dynamic of the boardroom - ........and on why end of day - maybe they wanted to bring in the US Directors after the match and it escalated
Interesting to look back at this after the Bournemouth and Newcastle humiliations. Makes you wonder if in fact Ashworth was the respected football man who was talking sense. Ashworth had misgivings about bringing in a coach in Amorim so wedded to a 3-4-2-1 system which has no track record of success in England didn’t suit the players available, especially lack of legs in midfield and lack of wing backs. Ratcliffe clearly rates himself highly and thought it would all be onwards and upwards when he got his hands on things. Not looking so easy now. It’s hard to point to anything Ratcliffe has done so far that has been a success.
Why do you, and others, keep insisting that Dan Ashworth was the one who wanted to keep Erik ten Hag or decided to retain him? It’s clear that this decision was made before Ashworth’s appointment. More importantly, he gave an interview explicitly stating that he had nothing to do with it. This feels like a convenient attempt to shift blame onto someone leaving the club, making him the scapegoat for everything that has gone wrong, while those remaining come out looking better by comparison. 0:02
Ashworth also denied wanting Southgate. We'll eventually learn the truth, it always comes out once the media gets bored and moves on, but it will be too late for Ashworth.
@@giorgiob8464
Yes, that is true. But these facts are out in the open and people are wilfully ignoring them for whatever bizarre reason.
Let's be honest, even before he was officially appointed, he was working for the club having regular meetings with ppl like berrada and SJR. Just bcos the press didn't know about it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. So it's very possible that Ashworth was very pro ETH and he was the reason the rest gave ETH a chance.
@@askwhy3659the club is leaking the Southgate and ETH rumors to slander Ashworth. There is an interview on September 3 where Omar Barreda said himself and Ashworth weren't involved in the decision to extend ETH because the decision was made before they joined the club. To me that's evidence that the rumors are outright lies.
FALL GUY???
Amorim was not Ashworth choice, therefore the manager and sporting director relationship had no trust. One of them has to go.
Nonsense. He could have worked with amorim.
Probably, but the problem here is that Ashworth should have been picking the next manager. That’s his job lol
So you need to fire both each time?
Karma.
I rate INEOS even more for this. They could’ve played it safe and kept Dan Ashworth because they’re pals but they chose what was best for the club. They gave Dan a chance to step up in his career and he was way out of his depth. People get sacked everyday for incompetency, it’s really not that deep. I trust Omar Berrarda to get the right replacement based on his work at Barca and City rather than keeping Dan Ashworth bringing in Newcastle and Brighton recommendations.
Your reasons for believing Ashworth is crap were well known as his views before INEOS went and got him. We all knew it. If the things you’re talking about were the reasons then INEOS did zero due diligence and are even more inept.
Also Ratcliffe said he wasn’t going to interfere and instead leave it to the football people, yet here we are with Ratcliffe yet again getting involved.
And this comes after the mid season ticket price disgrace fronted by Ratcliffe and his lame detached views about what Fulham fans pay.
Lastly, don’t get me started on the public search for ETHs replacement pre cup final then totally bottling it post cup final and extended useless ETHs contract (wasting yet more FFP money).
Yet you rate INEOS even more now! 🤯
@@Els4000 GOOD POINTS
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If he was sacked based on his approach, then that’s incompetency on the club’s behalf; there’s no way he decided to change his approach to the role at United, so what he did at the club would have been what he did at previous clubs, so why hire him in the first place?
@@Els4000Interference had to be made
Reminds me of moyes, a guy who spent his career at mid table level and is totally exposed at United. Ratcliffe saw this and cut him early. If he’s wanting Howe as United manager imagine the kind of players he wanted us to buy. Good riddance
Yes mid table a bit too high for United.
As if United have a record of signing good players. Some fans were saying Forest has better players. How come United signs the most expensive players but turns out to be garbage when they start playing for the Team?
@@tomtomtombossa United had no football structure since Fergie left until now. Ashworth was hired deemed a bad appointment and sacked. What’s hard to understand?
It sounded like he’s gotten away with working for boards who weren’t very involved and let him outsource most of his actual work to other companies, then employ his same set of English mates tbh.
@@tomtomtombossa Their pay packets weigh them down...
Things got figured out without him thanks to the long gardening leave. When he eventually starts, it became obvious they didn't need him. And when things don't go well, he is the most expendable. How things could have been very different if he had left Newcastle sooner.
It sounds like his input was to delegate all the stuff they expected him to do to third parties at a cost, then try to give jobs to his mates. How does it get to that stage through all the interviews etc? Was there never a conversation about what his role would look like in all those months? Weird.
@@ashearera For a so-called Reset...it seems quite poor all round...and it has caused issues with managers, player recruitment and style, and results-wise.
One of ManU problems is buying players for what they did instead of what they can do, this will change with Ruben he'll get hungry for success players
This is the most rational, intelligent, unbiased and realistic discussion I've ever heard about anything, let alone Man U.
Jesus's speaks the truth
Amen.
Amen.
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I'm all ears!
Chatting to other season ticket holders on Saturday, they had nothing good to say about Ratcliffe. It's turning into a shit show
Its just nonsense because the team is in bad form. Moaning for moanings sake
Can moan all you want, there not assed if you don't renew and stop going, there is 75k on the waiting list most from Hong Kong and china be full of day trippers before you know it
So these other season ticket holders want the Glazers to be him out and reappoint Ed or another corporate banker to run the show 😂
@@ShaquilleOatmeal730Say your clueless without saying it...
Give them time 🤣 they have got years of tripe to sort out with a bloated overpayed underperfoming squad😅
I mean, it’s easy enough to imagine Ashworth shouting “I told you Amorim wouldn’t work! Why the fuck didn’t we get Southgate?” or something like that to the other executives. Did it happen? How the fuck would I know. How would anybody know? We can speculate all day long, but… we won’t know until someone in the room decides to put it in their autobiography or an interview.
That's what happened...ish
I think the rarest ability of every leader, be it president, CEO, manager, etc. is the ability to anticipate and foresee things coming your way and have a solution prior to the inevitable outcome and be decisive with your decisions when the time comes.
From what I gather from all the news coming around lately is not only Dan Ashworth didn’t have the solution when EtH was sacked, but he was completely unprepared for it and didn’t even expect the sacking, hoping that his opinion of keeping the manager will be respected by the ownership.
Now, Dan Ashworth was a director, an executive and every executive’s job is to find the best solutions in order to implement the board’s decisions. Sure, you can give the board your opinion or you can give them your feedback, but ultimately, when they decide to do something or to go on a path, you have to be prepared to execute that task. And you have to be decisive.
And now what do you think?
Ashworth was correct, Amorim isn’t the right man for the job. The Wolves manager has arrived and quickly made the players better, results have improved even with no new players. Amorim has arrived and made the players infinitely worse. The team looks appalling and relegation fodder. By his own admission, he only plays one way, and that way will not cut it in the Premier League.
I still think Ashworth wasn’t the right fit for Ineos. Or for SJR’s taste to be more specific.
I think he likes slow decision making, he likes gathering and analyzing tons of data before making a decision, hence the request to hire a data analytics company when he was asked to come up with a replacement for EtH which didn’t bide well with a billionaire’s mindset.
Business owners and/or executives rarely have time to waste, especially in moments of crisis. They want everyone to act fast, like a lawyer. You pay a lawyer for the expertise, the experience and the knowledge they already possess. You don’t have time to wait for them to rush to the library.
SJR is exactly that type of person and even if Berrada was the one that hired Amorim, I’m sure Ratcliffe gave him the green light. Ultimately, if Amorim project fails, at least he himself is responsible 100%.
And I also think that was the commitment and dedication he expected from Ashworth and when he didn’t get it, he fired him. Plain and simple.
Regarding Amorim, I don’t think he is a bad idea for the future. His style doesn’t suit some of the players he has now but at least he knows how to get a struggling team to win championships. Consecutive championships. And, after each year, to lose his star players and go at it again, that’s huge.
@ Championships in a very, very weak league.
@@gruffy4967 still, he was an underdog for Benfica and Porto. Plus, Inter got to a CL final playing 3-5-2, Atalanta plays the most attractive football in Italy in a 3-4-3, Alonso went undefeated to win the championship in Germany with a 3-4-3.
When everybody else becomes obsessed to replicate Pep’s football, there will always be some others that will challenge his status quo. Trends come and go in football as they do in life. In 5 years time maybe we will see the 4-4-2 system back.
If a manager knows a system well and has the right players, why not trust him? Hell, even Pep tried the 3-4-3 in Barcelona for a few games in the begging. Cruyff tried it too, even though only on a few occasions.
If we get the recruitment right, we might catch a break. Defensively I like it, we’re conceding half the shots we were conceding with EtH. We were dominated each game possession wise. Now we had the possession both on Etihad and Emirates.
And you have to factor in that Amorim had very few opportunities to conduct proper training sessions. He said it himself in the last press conference, he only had the time for 4 training sessions.
Let’s see coming February, provided we get knocked out of FA Cup, if he’ll have the chance to conduct more training sessions. Let’s see if we’ll be better then.
@@andreichivu8892 Pereiera at Wolves has had as few sessions, with a smaller team of players of a lesser standard and he has had a positive impact on them.
Joe the goat 🐐.
EVERYONE NEEDS TO CALM DOWN. It's going to take years to undo the decades of heinous negligence by the Glazer family.
I see that you miss out the whole tapping up part and how Newcastle found out that he was talking to man utd behind their back 🤷♂️
Excellent presentation 😊
I said it day 1, something must have happened that day, to be fired. I'm sure they were starting to clash over direction and control. Maybe that day he criticised them after the loss for signing Ruben and that was what broke the camels back
Laurie, Ornstein & Adam have already said that the whole system was too bloated. He very likely won’t be replaced.
What exactly is the difference between what Wilcox does & what Ashworth was supposed to be doing anyway?
INEOS hired the bloat though.
Sacking him just after the game do take much of the focus from the loss to the sacking.
Just keep appointing a new sporting director and then sack them whenever you lose and nobody will even notice things aren't going well 😀
I appreciate the visible facts and timelines here rather than opinion based, great coverage! 👌
Players that Anorim does not like will be out in summer! He did that in SCP and it will happn in MU!
No it won't lol do you live under a rock the only player that will be leaving is the ones out of contract
@@DavyMagowan wanna bet on that?
Who is going to take them?
@@DavyMagowan no one is signing them United players at those wages. Or the players need to take massive pay cuts (which we know they won't , and shouldn't)
I think Amorim is ruthless. he kick out RVN
On the face of it he had no idea it was coming.
I think nobody did if you think about this timing Joe's talked about it. It feels like I spur of the moment/final straw thing.
Maybe Dan Ashworth told one of the other execs 'I told you Amorin was shite' after the game
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Highly possible
That’s a sackable offense. Shows he knows nothing about football and the current situation
That's what I think...or I told you Southgate was your man. He was too hurriedly rushed out of doors by two staff...at front of OT...there's been a blow-up
@@Shaun_M13Your comment has aged very, very poorly.
I’d love Ralph back but what about Hugo Viana that would piss a certain club with no fans and a unhinged manager off
Why would he leave ato go to a smaller club
The best most credible explanation so far I come across on ashworth sacking
Joe, you nailed it. I have no idea what happened, but your analysis was SO much better than anything the other so called journalists had to say.
Are you serious lol were do you think he gets his information from lol
Fantastic summary of the reports out there coupled with Joe's own views. Well done
Is it possible that his dismissal is nothing to do with his performance? Dismissals that happen so quickly can sometimes be because of inappropriate behaviour.
He kept visiting Cottagers Cove in Manchester. 😂
To be perfectly honest, finding a PL proven manager might not have been a bad shout. The Southgate thing is a canard for me, it's just speculation by SP.
Excellent analysis, Joe. Thanks.
Nice vid Joe👏🏼👏🏼
Been watching Man U for 50 years many ups and downs, I had season ticket for many years, live abroad now so just watch all games on TV.
For the first time after the forest game it was the last straw ( sick of watching the same boring games) I have finally lost interest, won't be watching on Sunday won't even look for the result.
There is something terrible going on at the club, it's no longer the Manchester United I know and love. Very sad
I thing ir was genious. Because now you are not talking of the game but about the struture of the culb. This was a big point for Amorim because he starts to take his hands on the struture he wants to change in MU ! You should be happy because Amorim will change everthing! Like he did in SCP! ❤
Good summary mate - appreciate it
Best video I've seen in this channel! Stretford Jesus solo, preaching the honest truth. With more room to construct and elaborate his narrative on a more serious and reflective tone. Interesting deep thoughts that certainly gives us something to think about. Cheers
I reckon he put, "Told you lot we should've got Gazza!" in the exec WhatsApp group after the game 😂😂😂
WE should
I think the timing was to help the Mananger/Head Coach. No one is speaking about loss to Forest anymore its all about Ashworth and the reasons why.
We make an executive decision to cut bait quickly when the guy doesn’t fit and we get complaints. We keep a guy too long we get complaints.
I applaud the quick decision. At the level of money INEOS has it’s a small price to pay to make moves.
We have all taken jobs that weren’t right and dated someone that wasn’t right and had to make quick decisions to change. It happens
Great video. Cheers Joe 👏
Fantastic video, summarised the whole situation clearly with all necessary details covered 👍
Jim Ratcliffe is a ruthless business man , you dont come from nothing to where he is financially by being all nicey nice , Ive worked with these type of people , loyalty is not in their lexicon , all they are interested in is getting the job done at any cost .
I think it seems barrada, Wilcox and maybe blanc were all doing aspects of what ratcliff thought was within ashworths remit. Then when they did listen to him they weren’t impressed and they thought they may as well get rid.
Maybe he just wanted to do some gardening. It's going to look lovely in Spring.
His green fingers are calling him...
Jim Ratcliffe seems to be impatient and not willing to work through issues. United should be seen as a long term rebuild rather than instant change.
It might be as simple as we brought in too many people to run this club. Even with Ashworth going we still have Berrada, Wilcox and Vivell to run the sporting side. Add to that Blanc, Brailsford and Ratcliffe who are all gonna have opinions on how things should be run even if they're not involved in the day to day business. Whilst it doesn't look good from the outside looking in, this is not the end of the world.
Let’s go Joe!
Seems a bit knee jerk for me. The season was nose diving and it obviously wasn't enough to only get rid of Ten Hag. Surely they negotiated with Ashworth first to assess how he would fit in? Looks like Ratcliffe had a "Who's Queen?" moment (check out Blackadder if you don't understand that reference). Ineos are beginning to look like a disaster, as some warned they would be.
I see so many people being distracted by "He wanted Soutgate", but the rumours about Southgate being an option came long before Ashworth was at United. For me the buck stops with Sir Jim as he is the Co-owner. He was the guy running his mouth about Ashworth being a 10/10. Clearly there was no real due dilligence carried out. The Geordies were glad to see the back of Ashworth and as an Arsenal fan I don't want him anywhere near my Club.
Obviously I'm being overly dramatic and pessimistic, but if Sir Jim runs United in the same way he's run Nice, many Untied fans will see the Glazers incompetence as wizardry compared to what Sir Jim has in store for the Club.
Personally I think getting rid shows deciveness.I was a bit confused why we had so many decisions makers.. and I thought it was a bit strange getting someone who had only worked at mid level clubs... so I personally see this as a good sign that ineos are not messing around....man we need a left back
Why is it that players with good talent, Managers, sports directors when they come to the club suddenly they all become "bad"...why is that so??😅😅😅😅
We’ve only had 1 sporting director ever, so why plural 😂
@@paulb1951 I thought Murtough had the audacity to call himself the Director...just before giving the No 7 shirt to Mason Mount...groooovy
Maybe they weren't that "good" in the first place.
@ director of football not sporting director.
Strange timing how he gets sacked after Kath passed away. Wonder if something distasteful was said... 🤔 I believe there is more to this story than they are letting on. 📖 ⚽️
People crying for Ten Hag to be sacked asap don’t realize how close we came to getting Southgate; thank goodness Berrada stepped in. 😅 I’m even more glad we didn’t do it right after the final, because I’d take Amorim over Tuchel or Southgate any day. I agree, I’m worried about how INEOS and company are upsetting the apple cart, and not in good way.
Dan has the best kept garden in Britain.
Great video and I agree the timing is suspect and very unprofessional. Add that to trying to cancel the box and seats of the Bugsby family, my faith that Sir Jim and Ineos can run this ship is very slim. My faith that Amorim can get it done on the pitch is very high. I also believe with time the players will get there. We will have some loses and frustrattion but they will get there.
Newcastle supporter here. All was not well at Newcastle with Ashworth. Rumour has it, he and Eddie Howe did not see eye to eye. A few things you are accusing Ashworth of, you should check dates. Many happened before Ashworth started there. A lot were also not his job.
i would honestly be quite excited for ragnick to come back into that sporting director position because we know exactly what he'll want to do
Imagine wanting Howe and Southgate as manager for United. It wouldn’t have therefor been a surprise if we got linked to Joelinton and Guehi as our superstar summer signings…
This aged like milk
@@ZionOrange You want Southgate, Joelinton and Guehi??
@@righthonourablezeus3828 we already have Joelinton and Howe is good enough. Marc Guehi is a good player, his physicality and speed is valuable. For 35m maybe but not 70m
@@ZionOrange we? Im talking about Man utd mate
2:24 Joe it’s because this January window is very important and the next guy can maybe come in and set the right strategy in Jan
One of your best videos. Thank you
It is rather odd timing - but some things we will never know.
We can speculate all you like, but without a definitive statement from the club we will never be sure.
It does seem very likely that Dan Ashworth was the one responsible for not only keeping ETH but EXTENDING his contract when not necessary or deserved!
That still leaves the question of the timing ..... why not after sacking ETH, or the day after the match ...... some heated words must have been exchanged and it all blew up.
Why after a loss was he sacked?
Ashworth: "I told you this is the wrong guy."
while you laugh saying he suggested Southgate, keep in mind that he signed in De Ligt, Mazaoui, Yoro, Ugarte and Zirkzee in for us, and his predecessor signed in Anthony.....
beside, we actually might be better off with Southgate than Amorim right now.
we are literally fighting against relegation, while Southgate took England into several finals when England have not manage to enter into a final for the last few decades... keep that in your mind.
I wonder if when we started to lose on Saturday he said something along the lines of "I told you he's not the man for the job" after probably being overruled with Ruben. Within ear shot of Jim and away he goes.
Very interesting point made on the timing of the sacking. It kind of sound like Jim was in a bad mood and took it out on Dan. I am sure there was more to it than that but it might have been a factor.
If anyone remembers didn’t Ashworth send himself a email by accident which caused a few problems with getting him from Newcastle. Seems like he was always incompetent now.
If Ineos don't get rid of the likes of Rashford, Shaw, Antony etc, then they need to get out of the club, they have no bloody idea how to run football club as they think they are.
I don't think this is bad on the club or new ownership. Sometimes things just don't work out in business and I'm happy the club is being run more like an actual business.
Sacked after the defeat, so know one talks about defeat or Amorim. if your gnna sack him, seems a good time to do so
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lots of sackings coming up then 😛😛😛
@Casey-Jones Yep...full steam ahead Casey, Jim's driving this train now...and he's about to blow the whistle on most of our team. Hooo Hoooooooo
I like the way you skirt over the jumping ship from Newcastle and his alleged email misconduct. No 10/10 employee does that. No 10/10 business recruits a rat like that without one eye on the lack of integrity.
Man Utd tapped him up... and Jim Ratcliffe publicly insulted Newcastle for not letting him go. Man Utd are rats all the way to the top.
I can't see a turnaround this season. We are where we are with a disjointed side, players past their sell by date, and players not worth the money spent on them. It's a real mess.
Perfect summary Joe!
It just doesn't add up to me that he's been sacked because he doesn't agree about a few things. Something has clearly gone on behind the scenes, smacks of gross misconduct to me!
Amorim is dynamic. If he’s given time and money he will definitely succeed
Crystal clear there was an incident that led to him being sacked.
Prob were issues before but whatever happened was the final straw
Sometimes when you've bet a lot of money on a hand it becomes apparent you can't win. And no matter how much money you've already lost and how tempting it is to go all the way, it's better to just fold.
I don't mind this. Even if they do this a few times, it's a fraction of what they'll waste if they get signings wrong.
These are the foundations, get it right.
2:34 because his signings did not have an instant effect on their league position as they aren’t interested in being youth through or in to making them in to world class players; they wanted instant improvement not a better future long term with younger, cheaper, chances of world class in their future.
They needed a bring in players and a manager to win now and keep their popularity with the fans, but more investors and sponsors. 6:44 6:44 6:44 6:45 6:45
This analysis and almost all other analysis on the net are done by people who are used to watching football games and trying to assess business. For this reason you get remarks like not 'getting along with other managers'. Not one word about Ashworth applying the company's STRATEGY or not. Also, not one reason why Ratcliff in his position as shareholder has intervened in daily operations. My advice is for all bloggers to either study business administration or to limit themselves to watching football games. Note that you don't discuss football teams and matches but business and managing companies.
Good logical in depth look at this situation with the best information available. I think Amorim is a great signing and has all the attributes/abilities to be great but will only be able to achieve that if we are as ruthless with players as we are with managers and DoFs. Of all the people brought in i think ashworth had the lowest winning cv but was an upgrade to murtough and woodward so was okay with it.
In summary of what you have explained i believe the problem is too many decision makers and too much ego involved, this can kill any organization.
Excellent analysis thank you
Thanks Joe all the best from dortmund germany 🇩🇪 👍
I found that the Ashworth sacking really brought the Qatar fans out of the woodwork again. It's like they were all just sitting quietly, waiting for some drama so they could slate Ineos and Sir Jim..
I've pooped like 3 times today already and it's only 1pm. Help.
I am neither a fan nor do I dislike Qatar; they are the only owners who can get us back to the top.
He was sacked, because Amorim appontment was very bad decision, RVN was doing great... Feel bad for MU
Let Zirkzee settle in. I think he’ll be a good player for us.
Hmmm not looking good
Agree sacking him after a game was odd - and brutal.
As sporting director one of their core primary roles is in hiring new players and managers. The rumors' going Old Trafford is that Ashworth had no say in who the new manager was going to be. If the rumor is correct then it would mean his position as sporting director has no power at the club if others are going over his head and doing transfers/hiring without his input or say so. If you have people undermining you all the time, that position becomes untenable and the person has no choice but to leave.
The club will always suffer from rumors because of who they are. Every transfer the press always link the club to nearly every important player on the planet as 'someone the club is interested in'. The manager situation is a very good example of that. People at the club talk about the manager situation and suddenly the press make articles of 'United are reported to be interested in X'. I have no doubt Ashworth had a good idea of who he wanted to be United's next manager but he kept it a very close secret.
As for him wanting ETH to stay, people need to remember that he was not yet an employee of the club when the thoughts/ideas of sacking ETH was going round the club because he was still on 'gardening leave' from Newcastle. Therefore technically he was still under contract with Newcastle and thus his input into United would have been severely limited. I am sure the club asked Ashworth for his thoughts on the sacking of ETH but there is no way the club would have taken his views/opinions seriously due to the fact he was not yet an employee of the club. Yes he signed a contract at the club BUT until the end of contract date with Newcastle is reached, Ashworth would not have been a United employee when the decision to not sack ETH would have been made.
didn’t we just pay a release clause of over 10 million for this guy ?crazy waste of money
Better to rectify a mistake quickly rather than let it get worse and cause more damage.
Excellent video, good points made in a measured way. So much better than some of the ranting stuff out there that has no depth. You, S.H. and Andy Mitten are worth listening to. INEOS called it wrong on Ashworth, very poor reflection of their ability to run United. You'd have thought they'd have done their due-diligence on Ashworth before appointing him. I couldn't think of a worse appointment than Southgate who cost England a trophy in recent years with his negativity so clearly he's not aligned with the CEO/COO, performance and technical director's. I think Wilcox will step into the S.D. role, a job he held at Southampton. I hope everyone recognises everything Ralf Rangnick said about United has turned out to be true. Completely wasted being interim manager, should have been retained in a Sporting/technical role. He is intelligent enough to see what needed fixing.
Say what you want about him wanting Southgate and Howe but let’s call a spade a spade here, INEOS look totally incompetent for this move (on the back of the ETH firing)
Not really, they gave him a big opportunity to step up and he flopped. I respect INEOS for getting rid of their mate for the betterment of the club. That takes big balls, they took Omar Berrardas side as he has been at Barca and Man City, he knows how a successful football club should be ran. Dan Ashworth came from Brighton and Newcastle.
@ right so paying the compensation to fire the guy that you had to pay compensation for to get all because you realized you didn’t like him as much as you thought- and then canceling the club Christmas parties whilst simultaneously raising ticket prices to cut corners makes them look brilliant and totally respectful 😂
@@btomlinson21don’t think they had to pay compo for him as sacked in a 6 month probation period .
@@paulhague2333 still a terrible look after the layoffs and proposed ticket increases. I don’t know how anyone can see it any other way right now. Maybe a year or two down the road it will make sense but right now the optics are very poor on INEOS this on the back of keeping Ten Hag only to fire him a couple months later
Keeping Ten Hag was the only mistake here in my opinion. Cuts or layoffs needed to be made, that's a completely separate point in my eyes. Ticket prices haven't gone up for a decade iirc, an increase was probably due and justifiable at this point. Ashworth, if true, suggested Southgate and deserves the sack purely based on that. Let's not try to begin INEOS is shit narrative like everyone else eh. Utd have been a shit show for years now, if anything this is just keeping up the tradition. We are currently the laughing stock for a reason but if fans of this club can't stick by it then we might as well start watching American football 😅
Donald Trump: “We’re going to build a wall and Mexico will pay for it”
Jim Ratcliffe: “We’re going to waste millions of pounds and the fans and minimum wage staff will pay for it”
This comment doesn't make sense
@@Rocky-w5rtotally
EXACTLY
Mexico did not pay for the construction of the wall along the U.S-Mexico border. While former Trump frequently claimed during his 2016 campaign that Mexico would pay for the wall, this did not materialise. The funding for sections of the border wall came from U.S. government appropriations and, in some cases, funds reallocated from other federal programs
Maybe you don't need a well-paid Sporting Director if there's no money to spend buying players anyway.