As a bike mechanic who is the designated Tannus installer for my shop, I can say that they can be challenging to install. There are, though, things that can be done to make installation easier. I have never pre-stretched Tannus tires, but it's not a bad idea. I do typically set the tires outside in the sun while I'm prepping the wheels. I've found that warm tires are more receptive to having the pins inserted, and being stretched around the wheel. As far as getting the tire onto the wheel, I have only once had a tire that required me to get a tool to put on. I typically work on a rubber mat (don't try my technique on hard/smooth surfaces), and I set the bare wheel upright on the mat. I clip the first pin of the tire into the rim, then start pushing down on the tire with my weight as I start stretching the tire around the rim. Start stretching at the very beginning, that way the tire is a loose as possible when you get to the end, and you're not fighting the friction between the tire and rim to stretch it enough to get the last bit on. Once we get to the last bit, I hold it there, and lay the wheel toward me on the mat. I typically put my knee on the tire where I've pinned it in the rim, and slowly roll the rest of the tire into the rim (reaching across the wheel). I'll often get to a point where the tire has just rolled into the rimwell, but the rim-side of the tire is facing outward. With one hand keeping the tire where it is, I use the other hand to work in from the edges to get the tire oriented properly. With practice, this part of the operation rarely takes me more than 10 seconds. If it is giving you trouble, get the tire most of the way on the rim, and find some way to secure the "borders" of where the tire is where you want it. We usually use a toe clip strap at my shop, but you could probably use a belt. Get it nice and tight, then use the included tool (you referred to it as a "hammer") as a tire lever to get the last of the tire on. As far as tucking the pins in to the rim goes, I strongly recommend tucking the bead of the tire into the hook of the rim sidewall before tucking in the pin corresponding region of tire. The pin is a lot more cooperative, and you minimize the risk of there being a little bit of tire between the pin and the rim. This portion of the job is best done with the tires cool, or at least room temperature (cool -> contracts -> tucks into the rim easier). Once complete, check the opposite side to see if any pins didn't back into the sidewall hook while you were clipping in the first side. Then check the first side again. Most of my approach to Tannus install can be summarized by "work smarter, not harder". Think ahead, make a plan (and a backup plan), use your body weight to your advantage, have any tools you think you might need within arms reach. If you end up needing to replace a spoke nipple, use the included lever to twist a few pins out of the rim (push the edge of the pin along the length of the sidewall). Best of luck to you all. Enjoy your rides!
I just installed my tannus tyres by myself. i am an official beast! trick is to mount it at the bottom and hold it in place with your feet. then with half of the tyre mounted, use the tool between the rim and tyre to guide it in as you pull it down to your feet like doing up a zip.
Getting my Tannus Tires installed tomorrow. I can't wait! Yaaaaaaay! NO MORE FLATS!!!!
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One thing i'm very impressed is that even though you speak very fast, i understand every single word you say (english is my second language). Brilliant!
I've had these on my Specialized Roubaix for about 50 miles on rough city roads. The install isn't easy (best to get the lever for pin insertion). Time will tell, but, so far, I'm riding them the same as I would my old tubed tires. :) EDIT, I have the 80-90 pound PSI comparable and it really feels no different than my old tubed tires.
I have titanium Salsa Fargo with a Rohloff 14 speed hub and Gates belt drive. It's hard for me to even get on my other bikes anymore because I know the drive train will need cleaning (degrease and regrease, etc.) That's all history with the Hub shift and belt drive. These airless tires would be the icing on the cake. I wouldn't even have to check the air pressure!!! I wouldn't have to carry pump and tube. WAAAAHHHH man!!! I think I will take the leap here. Thank you sir for the video.
After seeing your choice of locking pins I think i chose too big for mine. Definitely heard a few snap and break during my install. Hope you're enjoying the tires dude, it's so nice to not have to worry about getting a flat during a nice ride or rushing to get to work on time.
Nice video and review on these tires. It looks awesome. No tension for getting the wheel punctured. How about its traction? Does it get slipped on grass , in the rain and going downhill if using breaks while going fast?
When you have installed the tire losely on 80% of the rim, warm up the slack with a hairdrier and easily slip it on. Haven't tried it myself, but physics is physics, so it should work.
@@poephoofdnattescheet643 OK. But Two Wheel Cruise said that he had softened them somewhat by having exposed them to sunlight for some time. I just ecpanded my thought from that. Also, I would imagine that a hairdrier blows hotter than normal outdoor conditions. And finally, everything expands in heat, but some materials more than others, so there should be at least a small effect from the hairdrier. I want to try these tires someday, but I find them too expensive at the moment. Also, yellow or white wheel reflexes are mandatory here in Denmark but a reflex band on the tire legally negates spoke reflexes (which I hate), and these tires are unfortunately all non-reflex tires.
@Murican Ignorance Hi Murican. Normally I spend between $15,- and $30,- on a tire for commuting and lesurely cycling (I don't do competitive cycling), so there is quite a gap up to the flat-free tires. I also don't get that many flats. I use a 28 mm rear tire and a 25 mm front tire, and I regularly inflate them and I regularly clean them out, becuase in Denmark there is flint in the gravel. And then there's the reflex issue. As stated above, it's stipulated by law that both wheels have reflexes visible from both sides, and if the tires don't have built-in reflexes, they have to be attached to the spokes, making the wheels slighty heavier and more sensitive to wind. And it's ugly! Ride safely! :0)
I will look forward for your long term review! I've been on the fence about getting these for a while. They'd go on my daily commuter bike as well. The red tires look dope on that bike.
Glad you had a pretty good experience with these and are enjoying some good weather. I really like your down-to-earth style, however, if I may suggest a constructive comment: I think most people watched this because they want to know how these tires compare to what you normally ride, therefore, it would be nice if you created a rubrik that included criteria like grip, handling, comfort, weight, etc. The bottomline is that I watched this to see if airless tires are comparable to traditional clinchers or tubeless, and if not, what is/are their major shortcoming(s). A tricky install is worth it if it saves me as much as say half a dozen flats over the life of a conventional high mileage tire. Thanks for posting your video and sharing your experience.
Watching you putting those pins in was like watching someone pedal in squares! Take left hands under tire. Hold one side of “hammer”. Use as a lever to press pins into the tire slots. It works like a staple remover in reverse! Leverage is everything!
I figured you were. It’s okay. We all have those moments. I really enjoyed your review. This is the first video I have seen since I just started looking into getting my bike out again.
Been using Tannus for 2 years now. I will never go back. Invulnerable. OK comfort. Great durability. Pain to put on but worth it. Long time cyclist. The new inserts work OK too!
Great review - nice to see & hear you speak Japanese to your wife. Our whole family rides Road Bikes & my daughter is studying Japanese - I'm gonna show her your review as a homework assignment - she's also a huge manga - anime fan. Bravo from Texas !
@LAFOLLETTER also if there is airless tire on mtb... I think it will damage the bike wheel.. As the stress is focus on contact only... I mean im 92kg lol
I wanna get these at some point, while I basically don't get punctures due to my Schwalbes I like the idea of not carrying a puncture repair kit and the main reason is not having to check type pressure anymore! No more potential for tyre valve failures either(although rare).
Um. It's not "new tech". Solid tyres existed before pneumatic tyres but, every few years, somebody literally reinvents this particular wheel and claims it's the great new thing. Just ask yourself why, if solid tyres are so great, has practically every bike made in the last 100 years had pneumatic tyres? As for puncture resistance, just get a pair of decent kevlar-lined tyres. In my experience, Schwalbe Marathons wear out before they puncture.
Hi, those are great tyres. I have used them for a few years now. For commuting they are the best for sure. I now have them in the single speed bike. They will last for 1 to 2 years I would say. I had an accident once and even though the wheel wasnt the best after it they just kept going. For Mountain bikes I suggest from tannus the armour ones. I have those for the 28 mm and the 35 mm wheels. Love them, a nightmare however to replace the tube. The only downside on those.
Hey, Thuong is greeting us in english now! She must be getting more confident. My reservations for these tires would be cornering and grip, particularly in the wet.
Don't know what I'm more impressed with; the tires or the language skills. Germanic and Latin influenced languages I've found to get easier once you've learned one of them, but oriental/east Asian I wouldn't know where to start. Anyways the tires look good I'm off to check them out now, just hope they're priced reasonably. Subbed 👍
These kinds of tires is the future, although i’m leaning towards trying tyre inserts myself. As that leaves me free to choose the tire I like. And probably a whole lot easier to swap depending on what kind if ride I’m about to do.
kevinjfeeney77 No Im eyeing tubolight for my traveling buddy (gravel bike). Though I can’t get either solution domestically. So I’m still in the research phase. But for my commute bike I might end up with the tires shown here, as I have no patience for maintaining that poor bike.
I would be careful around corners with them though. Looking forward to a fallow up review after a few months of use. Those rims look freaking awesome though. Are they reinforced around the spokes?
It helps to let them warm up in the sun (if it ever appears!!). The tyres will settle in after a few miles, Tannus themselves say to take it easy for the first 50km I think to allow for that. I do find they have a wee bit more drag but wondered if that's more cos of my 'sprinters build' than the tyre. You are a slim 'racing snake' rider so I wonder if the drag will be less? will look forward to your long term review.
The other great thing about Tannus tyres is that as they are permanent until replacement at the end of their life one can use security skewers (I use Pitlock personally) on the wheels they are attached to. This means the wheels cannot be easily stolen as per their quick release counterparts.
That's a good point. Saves having to secure the bike through the wheels and frame if needing to lock it up. I carry two locks, it's always a pain to lock it up when I go out for a leisurely ride
Great post! Just a few questions - how much does a pair cost? How easy are they to get off? [considering how difficult they are to get on!] Are they only available in red - do they come in a more colourways such as black? Thanks!
Hello and Thank You for your video....The Big Question: Performance. I've read and watched everywhere that these are about 1+ MPH slower. Any information? Thanks again.
I went six years without a flat tire, and now I've had three flats in five months. I made the mistake and bought the Schwalbe Durano instead of the Schwalbe Durano Plus which I've been riding the entire time... and these Tannus Airless are really interesting. But the tires are so expensive that it is not economically viable for me. For the price I prefer to buy a new set Schwalbe Durano Plus and a set Continental Grand Prix 5000 for my training bike.
@@bikersquest If you have fresh new inner tubes, you may need to check every 2 - 3 weeks, but yeah... it sucks when you have to check the air pressure before every ride.
Hello friends I have been following your channel because I love road cycling (from Colombia), and Japan (love Japan and going there soon). I'm pretty interested in airless tires because it would be an awesome option for long Fondo training, the most latent questions are: - how much weight is the difference between standard tires and these ones. - how much stiffness can we get with airless tires, I'm obsessed with rigid tires because it's pretty uncomfortable to roll with soft tires (it feels like you're gonna get a flat). and I ALWAYS train with 120psi and compete with 150-160 psi, if we can get 120-130psi rigidness out of these tires I'm all in!!!
the correct way to fit the tyre around the rim on your own is to clip 4-6 pins already into the rim (tyre half in first) then clip the other side in, then you put the hammer tool between the tyre and the rim and slide it all the way around and back to where you have your 4-6 clips already in thus sliding the tyre onto the rim. trust me, i work in a shop fitting these for free and it takes us 20-30 mins per set
Hi there Mr. Cruise, I've been watching all your videos and I'm thankful for the informations and insights you've shared. Just a suggestion, would you mind making bike recommendation for beginners?
@@TwoWheelCruise Personally I prefer road bikes or gravel bikes now that I already have a mountain bike (29" hard tail just like you suggested), but any types will do! I really enjoy your videos, keep up the hard work!
Wow...these tires look interesting!! Do these tires have a good grip? I am wondering buy a set of these tires for my Road Bike. Could you please tell me the model of this tire? Thanks for sharing the video. Congrats from Brazilia - Brazil.
Looked like a bit of hard work putting on but I guess it's a case of fit & forget. Do they come in different hardness/pressure levels? How easy are they to remove, would consider those for my winter bikes.
Andrew Chee completely agree with you, also for training, if you get fit with heavier ones, when you put lightweight wheels for racing you will get and edge
That's some blinging tires for a blinging bike. I love that color scheme. So, a question. Is there anything different with the tire compound? Seeing these has me remembering some green colored Dunlop tires I bought for my Kawasaki when I lived in Okinawa. I was pretty nervous for a while because there was some back and forth in reviews about how well they gripped in corners and if the compound would breakdown more quickly.
What PSI did you choose when getting these? You don't mention. Some models have several choices. I'm looking at the 80 PSI version for my particular rims.
I've started by watching your video's out of sequence. After searching for a Tannus Airless tire review (following a comment in someone else's video) I selected to watch your review, which was excellent. So of course then I wanted to watch this video, which has given rise to two questions, 1. When you do need to replace the tires how difficult will it be to remove from the rim (maybe a later video), 2. Yourself & Thuong make a wonderful tire changing team (a pit crew) where do we send our rims to have you two to fit our Tannus Airless tires?
Always wondered what kept those tyres on the rim without rolling off...they really look good on your bike Cruise, really sets it apart from the rest. Hope after all that effort...it was worth it.
Hello Cruise. I got a question: How is the rolling resistance vs Schwalbe Marathon? (I'm rolling the Marathon plus in 38X 700 C). I'm asking because I saw theses, and look for reviews and tests, and all the ones I've found were stating that rolling resistance was greater. I'M thinking about getting back to a road bike (Electric bike now) in 28 or 30.
I'm a Shwalbe Marathon fan too running 700 x32 on front and 700 x 35 on rear, I prefer the Marathon Plus 700 x 38's i had on my last tourer they were a nice comfy tyre and never had a flat....I don't worry about speed these days, just comfort, safety and convenient (no flats and easier to put on then those red tyres) The Shwalbe Mondials I beleive can be used as tubeless depending on rim used and I've been told they roll so much easier and with this green stuff you put in them will seal up most holes you might get. I've seen those tyres that Cruise is trying for some time and have always wondered how you'd stop them from rolling off the rim like those little kiddies bikes used to do.
I did not notice a difference with rolling resistance while riding. If there is any, it's probably only noticeable on more fast rides. I did my normal 50km loop at a decent pace and didn't notice anything though. This might change in different weather conditions..
Here in Mexico city the guys who distribute them also install them. As I saw them twice one guy did manage to get the upper last section of the tire with some kind of plastic leverage.
Great review, thank you! Have you ridden with Schwalbe Marathon Plus or any full wire bead tire? How would you compare the weight/rolling resistance? I'm very interested in trying these as well...
I've used the regular Marathon's for many years. The biggest difference I've noticed so far is the higher pressure, but rolling doesn't seem to be much slower
Thanx for the nice video. Please make a review about the tires, I'm very curious, wanna get a pair of these too, for may commuter bike. What about the rolling resistence, the drag?
It is very interesting. Can you tell me if they also exist for mountain bikes? Is the color only red or also black? I don't want to attract too much attention. Is it heavier than a normal tube tire? Is rolling more resistant?
I tried out a quick test ride with a bicycle made by Specialized that had some kind of airless flat free tire. But that was a few years ago. I'm not sure if they still make it or it flopped. All of the bicycles that I've had the past few years have been belt driven, not chain driven. I really prefer a belt bicycle drive now. 🚴♂️👍
MasterBata Depends on the firmness of the solid tire. The cheap soft solid tires are a fucking pain to ride around because of the huge rolling resistance. The higher quality hard tires (like the ones here, but tannus makes even harder tires) roll about the same as a regular tire. What you notice is the vibrations from rough roads, not the rolling resistance. It’s a question of whether you want to match the comfort of road tires, or the speed of road tires, you can have either one, but not both.
@@jweezy101491 ...yup...I have the RED medium, and are hard enough to have a good average "speed" with my fixie , a harder ride, but comfortable enough on normal road. It was a pain as novice to install them, but once did it, they are good for me!!!
Just got my 700x28 portal Tannus tyres and yes there is rollling resistance. I got the regular hardness so its about 105 psi in coparison to a regular air tyre and tube setup. I wouldn't say huge but I am 2 km/h off my regular times on my daily 10km commute. On the plus side it makes me increase my power to match my old times. Still a week into these tyres but I do notice and you burn them in, they get a bit more less ressistant and no more fear of taking fast corners downhill any longer. They are very planted. In terms of vibration, yup thats gone up and when i ride on certain surfaces it can go up significantly like artificial planking type surfaces. on smooth tarmac its awesome, even better on gravel. I run a hybrid bike with front suspension and I still get vibration so on rigid road forks it would be even more significant. But when I think about not ever having to fix a flat ever again. I realise its all worth it! To a person that wants to be fast consistently without any resistance, this may not be the tyre for you. But for people juts interested in having fun and for a daily commute to work. This is a WONDER tyre...
@@pravin73 Wow, 2km/h loss is massive. For example it takes around 100W to cycle @25km/h, but only 80W to cycle @23km/h. So you would lose 20% of power to rolling resistance at these speeds.
Two questions: Will the tires roll/perform/feel differently in hot and cold weather? Will the tires flat spot, either from emergency braking, or if the bike sits unused (not hung up) for any length of time?
When I can no longer push the tire onto the rim I tie each end of the tire onto the rim with shoelaces. I can then focus on the unmourned portion without the mounted portion slipping off the rim
i do fast group rides and even do local races on my aero road bike....what tire from tannus do you reccomend for speed and really they never go flat? i have been getting flats a lot on fast group rides and exc....please let me know! i have rim brakes will it work?
I used to have these on my commuting bike. Used them for about 18 months, but I put standard tyres back on. The _only_ good thing about these was knowing they'd never puncture. Everything else was worse. The ride was harsh. The tyre profile was odd. They're heavy as heck. They were sketchy as hell in the wet. They'd just slip off the side of white lines even. They were a pain in the arse when I needed some spokes fixed. I put up with them because of the knowledge I'd never have to fix a puncture in the rain, at home time, or in freezing weather. But then they came loose and started flapping about - the clips coming out from the rim as I rode, whenever over about 15mph. Never again, unless they get a lot better.
It is good to use it on the rear but not on the front in my opinion because you feel all the vibrations on your hands because the tyre is so hard for the front wheel. And also if you have it on the front be very careful on the turning when road is wet, it's slippery. If you have it on the rear, don't skid because you wear part of the tyre and you will feel the running of your rear wheel uneven on the road.
I´m guessing they are much heavier than regular tires, since you avoided any comments. Great idea, but next time please give us all the information you have. Grip and heating might be another limitation. Still, we are all dreaming about a puncture free tire, that is as light and performing as air ones. So good luck to the manufactures!
@@TwoWheelCruise Well, yes, depending on what kind of cycling you do. For commuting, this tires might be great, but weight is an important consideration for most road cyclist. Still, I hope this technology keeps improving.
I have a silly question, once you are done with them, how do you get the darn things off. Also I saw someone else insist the rim tape needs to be removed prior to installation. Is that true?
Can you please tell what's the difference in terms of weight, rolling resistance, grip in cornering, reffered to classic tube-tire combo (conti ultrasport, for instance...). Thanks
You may be able to convert the brakes to full hydraulic and retain your levers using giant conduct brake upgrade. Much better performing than mechanical discs and not expensive. About 150 dollars fitted.
As you installed the tire I thought to myself how much of a pain it would be if you ever got a flat... I am not the brightest candle on the cake.
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As these tires can't go flat they will at some point loose their mechanical connection to the tire and fail. Then they will be worthless.
@@siclmn I'm not sure what you mean but they're supposed to be replaced when the tread is worn thru, just like a pneumatic tire.
@Max Paine Well you still need to inflate the tires and check the tire pressure with armored tires. Which solid tires did you try? Were they Tannus?
@Max Paine probably okay on a dual suspension ebike.
As a bike mechanic who is the designated Tannus installer for my shop, I can say that they can be challenging to install. There are, though, things that can be done to make installation easier.
I have never pre-stretched Tannus tires, but it's not a bad idea. I do typically set the tires outside in the sun while I'm prepping the wheels. I've found that warm tires are more receptive to having the pins inserted, and being stretched around the wheel.
As far as getting the tire onto the wheel, I have only once had a tire that required me to get a tool to put on. I typically work on a rubber mat (don't try my technique on hard/smooth surfaces), and I set the bare wheel upright on the mat. I clip the first pin of the tire into the rim, then start pushing down on the tire with my weight as I start stretching the tire around the rim. Start stretching at the very beginning, that way the tire is a loose as possible when you get to the end, and you're not fighting the friction between the tire and rim to stretch it enough to get the last bit on. Once we get to the last bit, I hold it there, and lay the wheel toward me on the mat. I typically put my knee on the tire where I've pinned it in the rim, and slowly roll the rest of the tire into the rim (reaching across the wheel). I'll often get to a point where the tire has just rolled into the rimwell, but the rim-side of the tire is facing outward. With one hand keeping the tire where it is, I use the other hand to work in from the edges to get the tire oriented properly. With practice, this part of the operation rarely takes me more than 10 seconds.
If it is giving you trouble, get the tire most of the way on the rim, and find some way to secure the "borders" of where the tire is where you want it. We usually use a toe clip strap at my shop, but you could probably use a belt. Get it nice and tight, then use the included tool (you referred to it as a "hammer") as a tire lever to get the last of the tire on.
As far as tucking the pins in to the rim goes, I strongly recommend tucking the bead of the tire into the hook of the rim sidewall before tucking in the pin corresponding region of tire. The pin is a lot more cooperative, and you minimize the risk of there being a little bit of tire between the pin and the rim. This portion of the job is best done with the tires cool, or at least room temperature (cool -> contracts -> tucks into the rim easier). Once complete, check the opposite side to see if any pins didn't back into the sidewall hook while you were clipping in the first side. Then check the first side again.
Most of my approach to Tannus install can be summarized by "work smarter, not harder". Think ahead, make a plan (and a backup plan), use your body weight to your advantage, have any tools you think you might need within arms reach.
If you end up needing to replace a spoke nipple, use the included lever to twist a few pins out of the rim (push the edge of the pin along the length of the sidewall).
Best of luck to you all. Enjoy your rides!
Thanks for all of the suggestions! I'll keep them in mind for the next install :)
I just installed my tannus tyres by myself. i am an official beast! trick is to mount it at the bottom and hold it in place with your feet. then with half of the tyre mounted, use the tool between the rim and tyre to guide it in as you pull it down to your feet like doing up a zip.
Getting my Tannus Tires installed tomorrow. I can't wait! Yaaaaaaay! NO MORE FLATS!!!!
One thing i'm very impressed is that even though you speak very fast, i understand every single word you say (english is my second language). Brilliant!
Awesome! :)
I've had these on my Specialized Roubaix for about 50 miles on rough city roads.
The install isn't easy (best to get the lever for pin insertion).
Time will tell, but, so far, I'm riding them the same as I would my old tubed tires. :)
EDIT, I have the 80-90 pound PSI comparable and it really feels no different than my old tubed tires.
Install these on a single speed belt drive bike and you have almost zero maintenance issues to worry about!
Boombproof commuter :)
I have titanium Salsa Fargo with a Rohloff 14 speed hub and Gates belt drive. It's hard for me to even get on my other bikes anymore because I know the drive train will need cleaning (degrease and regrease, etc.) That's all history with the Hub shift and belt drive. These airless tires would be the icing on the cake. I wouldn't even have to check the air pressure!!! I wouldn't have to carry pump and tube. WAAAAHHHH man!!! I think I will take the leap here. Thank you sir for the video.
After seeing your choice of locking pins I think i chose too big for mine. Definitely heard a few snap and break during my install. Hope you're enjoying the tires dude, it's so nice to not have to worry about getting a flat during a nice ride or rushing to get to work on time.
Nice vid! There is a hack to mount these tyres: use cable ties to fix parts of the already mounted tannus, it's easily doable by one then
Your bike looks awesome! Never thought blue and red would look that good!
Thanks! 😎
Nice video and review on these tires. It looks awesome. No tension for getting the wheel punctured. How about its traction? Does it get slipped on grass , in the rain and going downhill if using breaks while going fast?
Great video, Cruise. You both did an amazing job installing them.
Thanks Andy!
i don't know what but watching your video gave me a good satisfaction
Glad to hear it :)
Stay healthy, both of you. From BC Canada.
Thanks! :)
Been on mine for over a year now. Love them!
Awesome!
When you have installed the tire losely on 80% of the rim, warm up the slack with a hairdrier and easily slip it on. Haven't tried it myself, but physics is physics, so it should work.
Apparently one of the selling points is that they don't expand in the heat.
@@poephoofdnattescheet643 OK. But Two Wheel Cruise said that he had softened them somewhat by having exposed them to sunlight for some time. I just ecpanded my thought from that.
Also, I would imagine that a hairdrier blows hotter than normal outdoor conditions.
And finally, everything expands in heat, but some materials more than others, so there should be at least a small effect from the hairdrier.
I want to try these tires someday, but I find them too expensive at the moment. Also, yellow or white wheel reflexes are mandatory here in Denmark but a reflex band on the tire legally negates spoke reflexes (which I hate), and these tires are unfortunately all non-reflex tires.
@Murican Ignorance Hi Murican. Normally I spend between $15,- and $30,- on a tire for commuting and lesurely cycling (I don't do competitive cycling), so there is quite a gap up to the flat-free tires.
I also don't get that many flats. I use a 28 mm rear tire and a 25 mm front tire, and I regularly inflate them and I regularly clean them out, becuase in Denmark there is flint in the gravel.
And then there's the reflex issue. As stated above, it's stipulated by law that both wheels have reflexes visible from both sides, and if the tires don't have built-in reflexes, they have to be attached to the spokes, making the wheels slighty heavier and more sensitive to wind. And it's ugly! Ride safely! :0)
@@sneakyfox4651 everything doesn't expand with heat ;) but I like your argument!
@@markuswahl2281 It does if it gets hot enough (plasma). But yes, a few things don't as such expand with heat.
I will look forward for your long term review! I've been on the fence about getting these for a while. They'd go on my daily commuter bike as well.
The red tires look dope on that bike.
Thanks! Will check in along the way :)
Those tyres look awesome on that bike!
Thanks! :)
Glad you had a pretty good experience with these and are enjoying some good weather. I really like your down-to-earth style, however, if I may suggest a constructive comment: I think most people watched this because they want to know how these tires compare to what you normally ride, therefore, it would be nice if you created a rubrik that included criteria like grip, handling, comfort, weight, etc. The bottomline is that I watched this to see if airless tires are comparable to traditional clinchers or tubeless, and if not, what is/are their major shortcoming(s). A tricky install is worth it if it saves me as much as say half a dozen flats over the life of a conventional high mileage tire. Thanks for posting your video and sharing your experience.
Thanks, and sorry about that. I'll be making a follow up video talking about those points once I get more experience on them in different conditions
@@TwoWheelCruise thanks much! Looking forward to it 🙂
Watching you putting those pins in was like watching someone pedal in squares! Take left hands under tire. Hold one side of “hammer”. Use as a lever to press pins into the tire slots. It works like a staple remover in reverse! Leverage is everything!
I'm fully aware my technique was horrible 😅
I figured you were. It’s okay. We all have those moments. I really enjoyed your review. This is the first video I have seen since I just started looking into getting my bike out again.
Been using Tannus for 2 years now. I will never go back. Invulnerable. OK comfort. Great durability. Pain to put on but worth it. Long time cyclist. The new inserts work OK too!
Glad to hear they're holding up well for you!
Great review - nice to see & hear you speak Japanese to your wife.
Our whole family rides Road Bikes & my daughter is studying Japanese - I'm gonna show her your review as a homework assignment - she's also a huge manga - anime fan.
Bravo from Texas !
Thanks for sharing! :)
I came here because I was curious about the tyres. But left more curious about your manga collection in the background. Great vid.
haha, I think I showed them a bit in our apartment tour video
@@TwoWheelCruise aside from the Tannus tyres, have you considered going tubeless?
These tyres look awesome.
I doubt they will be nice and red for long but it certainly looks good!
Thanks! :) We'll see how long they last
Have had Tannus tyres on my road bike for 3 years. Would now hate to have anything else. They are perfect
Glad to hear they're working well for you for so long :)
I buy inner tubes with a removable valve stem, then I inject some ‘No Stans Sealant’ into the tube. Works for me
ive done that slime thing on my tube 118ml as said...but still i got flat next day. :/ a small sharp stone punctured it.
@LAFOLLETTER i use mtb 29 trek marlin 5... Airless tire usually comes only on road bikes..
@LAFOLLETTER also if there is airless tire on mtb... I think it will damage the bike wheel.. As the stress is focus on contact only... I mean im 92kg lol
@LAFOLLETTER but thanks bro.. Im looking into bike liner and checking out solid inner tube....what do u think about it?
@LAFOLLETTER ill check amerityre👍 and add bike liner that would be enough i guess
I wanna get these at some point, while I basically don't get punctures due to my Schwalbes I like the idea of not carrying a puncture repair kit and the main reason is not having to check type pressure anymore! No more potential for tyre valve failures either(although rare).
Exactly! The marathon's are great, but not having to bring the kit and worry about pumping the tires is really nice :)
@@TwoWheelCruise also saves more weight!
Its got me interested. No spare tubes or pump. And Im a retro grouch😂
Very interesting new tech..... look forward to your review !
Thanks! 👍
Um. It's not "new tech". Solid tyres existed before pneumatic tyres but, every few years, somebody literally reinvents this particular wheel and claims it's the great new thing. Just ask yourself why, if solid tyres are so great, has practically every bike made in the last 100 years had pneumatic tyres? As for puncture resistance, just get a pair of decent kevlar-lined tyres. In my experience, Schwalbe Marathons wear out before they puncture.
"Not only are they red, which is the best col..."
Me: *SOLD*
😂
Red Iz da fastast color !
Hi, those are great tyres. I have used them for a few years now. For commuting they are the best for sure. I now have them in the single speed bike. They will last for 1 to 2 years I would say. I had an accident once and even though the wheel wasnt the best after it they just kept going.
For Mountain bikes I suggest from tannus the armour ones. I have those for the 28 mm and the 35 mm wheels. Love them, a nightmare however to replace the tube. The only downside on those.
How much do you weigh? In kg please.
Glad to hear they've worked well for you for so long
Hey, Thuong is greeting us in english now! She must be getting more confident. My reservations for these tires would be cornering and grip, particularly in the wet.
She's good at greetings and saying "no!" now 😅
I'll take them slow on my first wet ride..
Don't know what I'm more impressed with; the tires or the language skills. Germanic and Latin influenced languages I've found to get easier once you've learned one of them, but oriental/east Asian I wouldn't know where to start. Anyways the tires look good I'm off to check them out now, just hope they're priced reasonably. Subbed 👍
Learning Japanese was much harder than putting these tires on 😂
Looks very good. What size (width) is your wheels? They are aluminum correct? Will you recommend install those airless tire on carbon wheels?
Awesome video. I'd like to know if when hit a crack or bump do you feel it more than when you use air tires?
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks! :) It feels the same as a high pressure road tire so far, but it definitely feels rougher if you're used to riding less than 100psi
These kinds of tires is the future, although i’m leaning towards trying tyre inserts myself. As that leaves me free to choose the tire I like. And probably a whole lot easier to swap depending on what kind if ride I’m about to do.
Yeah, those are also pretty tempting
Are you talking about their (Tannus) Armour Inserts? Or just any other type...like Rhinodillos?
kevinjfeeney77 No Im eyeing tubolight for my traveling buddy (gravel bike). Though I can’t get either solution domestically. So I’m still in the research phase.
But for my commute bike I might end up with the tires shown here, as I have no patience for maintaining that poor bike.
Was waiting for this review. Thanks!! First few kms will be slippery just a heads up.
Good to know!
I would be careful around corners with them though. Looking forward to a fallow up review after a few months of use. Those rims look freaking awesome though. Are they reinforced around the spokes?
Will do some follow ups. And yep, I'm excited for these wheels too 🙂
It helps to let them warm up in the sun (if it ever appears!!). The tyres will settle in after a few miles, Tannus themselves say to take it easy for the first 50km I think to allow for that. I do find they have a wee bit more drag but wondered if that's more cos of my 'sprinters build' than the tyre. You are a slim 'racing snake' rider so I wonder if the drag will be less? will look forward to your long term review.
I used to be a sprinter, but Japan turned me into a racing snake 🤣🤣 will do a follow up soon
The other great thing about Tannus tyres is that as they are permanent until replacement at the end of their life one can use security skewers (I use Pitlock personally) on the wheels they are attached to. This means the wheels cannot be easily stolen as per their quick release counterparts.
That's a good point. Saves having to secure the bike through the wheels and frame if needing to lock it up. I carry two locks, it's always a pain to lock it up when I go out for a leisurely ride
Looks like a daily commuters’ dream! If you CANNOT be late.
Thankfully have only been late once, and that was because it was one of the few days I drove.. Never again..
How do you feel cornering on the tires? And do you feel much rolling resistance? Thanks for the video.
So far no problems. Will make an update after I get more experience with them
Great post! Just a few questions - how much does a pair cost? How easy are they to get off? [considering how difficult they are to get on!] Are they only available in red - do they come in a more colourways such as black? Thanks!
No worries! Gald you like the brakes! Keep up the good work!
Love them! Thanks man! 😁
Hello and Thank You for your video....The Big Question: Performance. I've read and watched everywhere that these are about 1+ MPH slower. Any information? Thanks again.
I went six years without a flat tire, and now I've had three flats in five months. I made the mistake and bought the Schwalbe Durano instead of the Schwalbe Durano Plus which I've been riding the entire time... and these Tannus Airless are really interesting.
But the tires are so expensive that it is not economically viable for me. For the price I prefer to buy a new set Schwalbe Durano Plus and a set Continental Grand Prix 5000 for my training bike.
I've got Durano pluses on my Road bike and never had a puncture either but I like the fact you don't have to check tyre pressure ever with these
@@bikersquest If you have fresh new inner tubes, you may need to check every 2 - 3 weeks, but yeah... it sucks when you have to check the air pressure before every ride.
They all come at once.. I have had horrible luck with the Durano tires, they flat so easily.
Great review! What's your take on bike touring in bike shoes vs running shoes? Which hardness (psi) were those tires?
Crikey that looks like a serious work out!
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Hello friends I have been following your channel because I love road cycling (from Colombia), and Japan (love Japan and going there soon).
I'm pretty interested in airless tires because it would be an awesome option for long Fondo training, the most latent questions are:
- how much weight is the difference between standard tires and these ones.
- how much stiffness can we get with airless tires, I'm obsessed with rigid tires because it's pretty uncomfortable to roll with soft tires (it feels like you're gonna get a flat). and I ALWAYS train with 120psi and compete with 150-160 psi, if we can get 120-130psi rigidness out of these tires I'm all in!!!
I think there is a slight weight increase. And it looks like you can get up to 110 psi.
What would be the equivalent firmness in air pressure? And are they much heavier than a tire and tube?
Mountain bike tires
the correct way to fit the tyre around the rim on your own is to clip 4-6 pins already into the rim (tyre half in first) then clip the other side in, then you put the hammer tool between the tyre and the rim and slide it all the way around and back to where you have your 4-6 clips already in thus sliding the tyre onto the rim. trust me, i work in a shop fitting these for free and it takes us 20-30 mins per set
Genius! Thanks, now I'll be more prepared for next time 🙂
Whoaaa nice looking bike with the red tires....Really Nice
Thanks! 😎
Hi there Mr. Cruise, I've been watching all your videos and I'm thankful for the informations and insights you've shared. Just a suggestion, would you mind making bike recommendation for beginners?
Thanks! What did you have in mind? road bikes or bikes in general?
@@TwoWheelCruise Personally I prefer road bikes or gravel bikes now that I already have a mountain bike (29" hard tail just like you suggested), but any types will do! I really enjoy your videos, keep up the hard work!
Will be interesting to see how they grip the road. Look really great on your bike. 👍
Thanks 👍
Please keep us updated on how they wear.
Will do!
I enjoyed the video very much.
Interesting video, thank you! I have off-topic question -- what handlebar do you have there?
Thanks! It's an old bontrager CX handlebar
Cute couple. Great team. Stay safe.
Thanks! :)
Wow...these tires look interesting!! Do these tires have a good grip? I am wondering buy a set of these tires for my Road Bike. Could you please tell me the model of this tire? Thanks for sharing the video. Congrats from Brazilia - Brazil.
Darnit, I have a 1992 Bianchi Eros these would be perfect for, but it looks like they don't offer 650Cs. Thanks for reviewing these though!
Darn :(
Looked like a bit of hard work putting on but I guess it's a case of fit & forget. Do they come in different hardness/pressure levels? How easy are they to remove, would consider those for my winter bikes.
It’d be interesting to compare the weight of them and a normal tire with an inner tube.
I haven't weighted them but they are very light.
They're super light, I don't think it changes much and I definitely wouldn't mind the few extra grams for a commuting bike.
I think not having to deal with flats is worth any extra grams they come with.
Andrew Chee completely agree with you, also for training, if you get fit with heavier ones, when you put lightweight wheels for racing you will get and edge
You don't have to carry an extra innertube, pump and tirelevers on a ride, so it can be even lighter.
Bike is so fine now!
That's some blinging tires for a blinging bike. I love that color scheme. So, a question. Is there anything different with the tire compound? Seeing these has me remembering some green colored Dunlop tires I bought for my Kawasaki when I lived in Okinawa. I was pretty nervous for a while because there was some back and forth in reviews about how well they gripped in corners and if the compound would breakdown more quickly.
Thanks! I will need to test this more in various conditions.
What PSI did you choose when getting these? You don't mention.
Some models have several choices. I'm looking at the 80 PSI version for my particular rims.
Funny watch you and your wife struggle with this tire: how long will these tires last (use - distance & time?)? Thanks for the video.
Guaranteed at least 5,000 km, but people have commented saying they last much longer
@@TwoWheelCruise yeah depends on the road conditions
I've started by watching your video's out of sequence. After searching for a Tannus Airless tire review (following a comment in someone else's video) I selected to watch your review, which was excellent. So of course then I wanted to watch this video, which has given rise to two questions, 1. When you do need to replace the tires how difficult will it be to remove from the rim (maybe a later video), 2. Yourself & Thuong make a wonderful tire changing team (a pit crew) where do we send our rims to have you two to fit our Tannus Airless tires?
Thanks! I haven't had to go through removing them yet, so I'm not sure about the experience. Installing definitely gets easier the more you do it.
Thats a really nice bike man, almost Gulf Racing colours.
Thanks! :)
Always wondered what kept those tyres on the rim without rolling off...they really look good on your bike Cruise, really sets it apart from the rest. Hope after all that effort...it was worth it.
Thanks! I didn't know myself until trying these out :)
Hello Cruise. I got a question: How is the rolling resistance vs Schwalbe Marathon? (I'm rolling the Marathon plus in 38X 700 C).
I'm asking because I saw theses, and look for reviews and tests, and all the ones I've found were stating that rolling resistance was greater.
I'M thinking about getting back to a road bike (Electric bike now) in 28 or 30.
I'm a Shwalbe Marathon fan too running 700 x32 on front and 700 x 35 on rear, I prefer the Marathon Plus 700 x 38's i had on my last tourer they were a nice comfy tyre and never had a flat....I don't worry about speed these days, just comfort, safety and convenient (no flats and easier to put on then those red tyres) The Shwalbe Mondials I beleive can be used as tubeless depending on rim used and I've been told they roll so much easier and with this green stuff you put in them will seal up most holes you might get. I've seen those tyres that Cruise is trying for some time and have always wondered how you'd stop them from rolling off the rim like those little kiddies bikes used to do.
I did not notice a difference with rolling resistance while riding. If there is any, it's probably only noticeable on more fast rides. I did my normal 50km loop at a decent pace and didn't notice anything though. This might change in different weather conditions..
That tire tool they gave you would have helped immensely installing the tire.
True, it's basically an unbreakable tire lever 😅
Interesting tyres
Thanks! :)
Here in Mexico city the guys who distribute them also install them. As I saw them twice one guy did manage to get the upper last section of the tire with some kind of plastic leverage.
If he's installing them everyday, I'm sure it's like putting bread on butter for him at this point 😂
@@TwoWheelCruise but he also treat every installation as an upper body workout ;)
Great review, thank you! Have you ridden with Schwalbe Marathon Plus or any full wire bead tire? How would you compare the weight/rolling resistance? I'm very interested in trying these as well...
I've used the regular Marathon's for many years. The biggest difference I've noticed so far is the higher pressure, but rolling doesn't seem to be much slower
Thanx for the nice video. Please make a review about the tires, I'm very curious, wanna get a pair of these too, for may commuter bike. What about the rolling resistence, the drag?
Coming soon!
Nice! Be careful with that steerer tube man. Please cut it, unless you've an extra long expander bung in there. Always enjoy your vids ✌🏽
Thanks! Unfortunately don't have a saw to do that now.
@@TwoWheelCruise Get one doc.
It is very interesting. Can you tell me if they also exist for mountain bikes? Is the color only red or also black? I don't want to attract too much attention. Is it heavier than a normal tube tire? Is rolling more resistant?
Check out the website. They got a bunch of different sizes / colors
Are they solid rubber?
Do they make them 26" x 2.125?
Some say hey absorb water and in the cold freeze is that so.
I tried out a quick test ride with a bicycle made by Specialized that had some kind of airless flat free tire. But that was a few years ago. I'm not sure if they still make it or it flopped. All of the bicycles that I've had the past few years have been belt driven, not chain driven. I really prefer a belt bicycle drive now. 🚴♂️👍
David Branscome I used to work for a specialized dealer for about a year.We sold dozens of the alibi bikes with airless tyres
Well, it is an alternative, but they have a huge rolling resistance.
I haven't found it to be too bad so far. Will see how it feels after some more km
MasterBata Depends on the firmness of the solid tire. The cheap soft solid tires are a fucking pain to ride around because of the huge rolling resistance. The higher quality hard tires (like the ones here, but tannus makes even harder tires) roll about the same as a regular tire. What you notice is the vibrations from rough roads, not the rolling resistance. It’s a question of whether you want to match the comfort of road tires, or the speed of road tires, you can have either one, but not both.
@@jweezy101491 ...yup...I have the RED medium, and are hard enough to have a good average "speed" with my fixie , a harder ride, but comfortable enough on normal road.
It was a pain as novice to install them, but once did it, they are good for me!!!
Just got my 700x28 portal Tannus tyres and yes there is rollling resistance. I got the regular hardness so its about 105 psi in coparison to a regular air tyre and tube setup. I wouldn't say huge but I am 2 km/h off my regular times on my daily 10km commute. On the plus side it makes me increase my power to match my old times. Still a week into these tyres but I do notice and you burn them in, they get a bit more less ressistant and no more fear of taking fast corners downhill any longer. They are very planted. In terms of vibration, yup thats gone up and when i ride on certain surfaces it can go up significantly like artificial planking type surfaces. on smooth tarmac its awesome, even better on gravel. I run a hybrid bike with front suspension and I still get vibration so on rigid road forks it would be even more significant. But when I think about not ever having to fix a flat ever again. I realise its all worth it!
To a person that wants to be fast consistently without any resistance, this may not be the tyre for you. But for people juts interested in having fun and for a daily commute to work. This is a WONDER tyre...
@@pravin73 Wow, 2km/h loss is massive. For example it takes around 100W to cycle @25km/h, but only 80W to cycle @23km/h. So you would lose 20% of power to rolling resistance at these speeds.
The red loOks sick in that bike. Great video. Wow. Airless tires. Amazing 😉
Thanks! :)
Two questions: Will the tires roll/perform/feel differently in hot and cold weather? Will the tires flat spot, either from emergency braking, or if the bike sits unused (not hung up) for any length of time?
will make a follow-up video after I get more time on them
Air in tires is the way to go. There is a reason all these year we been putting air in tires. I seen something like it.
oh on the sky is falling.....something different!
When I can no longer push the tire onto the rim I tie each end of the tire onto the rim with shoelaces. I can then focus on the unmourned portion without the mounted portion slipping off the rim
Beautiful looking frame!
Thank you! :)
With how hard they are to get on, I can’t imagine they’ll just pop off while you’re riding
Yeah, that's reassuring
Cool solution! Is this recent footage or from a while ago? How is life now in Japan? All at home?
Thanks! It's very recent, things are mostly fine
How's the absorption? Do you feel more of the bumps of the road or is it just as smooth as air tires?
It felt like a normal high pressure road tire.
i do fast group rides and even do local races on my aero road bike....what tire from tannus do you reccomend for speed and really they never go flat? i have been getting flats a lot on fast group rides and exc....please let me know! i have rim brakes will it work?
I used to have these on my commuting bike. Used them for about 18 months, but I put standard tyres back on. The _only_ good thing about these was knowing they'd never puncture. Everything else was worse. The ride was harsh. The tyre profile was odd. They're heavy as heck. They were sketchy as hell in the wet. They'd just slip off the side of white lines even. They were a pain in the arse when I needed some spokes fixed.
I put up with them because of the knowledge I'd never have to fix a puncture in the rain, at home time, or in freezing weather. But then they came loose and started flapping about - the clips coming out from the rim as I rode, whenever over about 15mph. Never again, unless they get a lot better.
It is good to use it on the rear but not on the front in my opinion because you feel all the vibrations on your hands because the tyre is so hard for the front wheel. And also if you have it on the front be very careful on the turning when road is wet, it's slippery. If you have it on the rear, don't skid because you wear part of the tyre and you will feel the running of your rear wheel uneven on the road.
Thanks for the warning, I'll be careful when I do my wet road test
Sounds good, where are they made? How can I get some? I hope they are very inexpensive.
They are more expensive than regular tires. Try checking their distributors page
@@TwoWheelCruise Hopefully not too much more money. I hate getting flats. Dankeschön, Prost 🥂🙏🌟
I'm curious as to how the hardness of the tyre translates to psi. Also, what's the width of this tyre?
Their website says available in 100 or 110 psi.
There are multiple options available for width / psi. Best to check the website.
@@mantroid there's also 90 and i think 80 depending on the width of the tire you're looking for. If its 23/25 i guess lowest would be 100
Grip cornering hard?Coloured Skids?Rolling resistance compared to your normal tyres( got power meter??)
Will need to do a bit more testing
I´m guessing they are much heavier than regular tires, since you avoided any comments. Great idea, but next time please give us all the information you have. Grip and heating might be another limitation. Still, we are all dreaming about a puncture free tire, that is as light and performing as air ones. So good luck to the manufactures!
The weight is negligible compared to not having to worry about ever flatting and not carrying an extra tube/ pump
@@TwoWheelCruise Well, yes, depending on what kind of cycling you do. For commuting, this tires might be great, but weight is an important consideration for most road cyclist. Still, I hope this technology keeps improving.
I have a silly question, once you are done with them, how do you get the darn things off. Also I saw someone else insist the rim tape needs to be removed prior to installation. Is that true?
I guess the most easy way will be a cutter knife.
I would NEVER ride these but you and your wife are super cute together!
Haha, thank you! 🙂
Can you please tell what's the difference in terms of weight, rolling resistance, grip in cornering, reffered to classic tube-tire combo (conti ultrasport, for instance...).
Thanks
You may be able to convert the brakes to full hydraulic and retain your levers using giant conduct brake upgrade. Much better performing than mechanical discs and not expensive. About 150 dollars fitted.
What a trip!! How long did it take to learn a different language so we'll!!???
how do you know what size tire do you order for the size rim you have. New to cycling and thinking about getting Tannus tires?