David G. from LMG was the writer to that video and I agree he does a fantastic job. It's also pretty cool to see him go from camera op to writer! Dude has talent.
I have the RT4K as a sort of "nexus point" in my setup where all my consoles have to pass through it (except HDMI 2.1 stuff) on their way to either my CX or my CRT. Which means that yeah, I use it for downscaling! As Bob says the RT4K isn't really DESIGNED to do this, you kinds have to force it to, but aside from the UI scaling I think HD content downscaled to 480p and sent to a CRT is a really lovely way to play games, especially remasters of stuff like Mario Galaxy, Mass Effect or Sonic Origins, or making 480p versions of 2D games via the Classic Mini consoles. I haven't tried 240p output because, yeah, that's shrinking things way too far. I think 480p is good if you're not that beholden to scanlines!
Just ordered the Mister Multisystem (from ultimate) and all the controldocks and bells and whistles (from heberstore). So excited!!!! RMC has a summer sale now going on with nice discounts!
bob, please do a review of morph... in my case I only need hdmi (hidefnes, super NT and n64 digital mod), so I see it as a viable option, but there are zero reviews
I'm using the Morph 4K with my Super NT, Analogue Duo, Mega Sg, and Sega Saturn (through HD RAD2X). I can't see any reason why you shouldn't consider it at this price point. I'm also using my RetroTink 4K with my PS1Digital, Wii Dual, Windows 98SE machine, and other consoles. I've noticed that the community is so biased and toxic against the Morph 4K, but I'm glad I purchased both and am very happy with my setup.
I've been a happy user of the MiSTer Analog IO board since the early days. DV is an amazing option, (and I use it in conjunction with the RT4K now, to bypass the built in scaler) but I still continue to use the board's dual output for my CRTs. I doubt my monitors are awesome enough to notice much difference here, but I might buy it anyway, just for the psychological reassurance.
20:00 - Very excited to see the FPGA based Sega Neptune. I've been calling for something like this to come out for over a year. Only thing is, they need to get it officially licensed by Sega, so after 30 years of "delays" it would get an official launch.
I wish they made a full-size/duplex SD UHS-II (312MB/s) or even UHS-III version of the GCSDSP2, the I/O of cheap mSD cards is just not fast enough for miniDVD optical discs, UHS-III offers 624MB/s (slightly faster than SATA-III) as well as 2-way I/O traffic, which would allow games to be properly played in real-time of the SD card without any stutter, jitter, freezing, slow-load-times (load times should be instant or at least as fast as miniDVD opti discs) and proper audio timings without audio stretching or other audio artefacts that mSD cards exhibit, Dolphin running ISO's perform rock solid once you get past UHS-I speeds, every damn thing uses dog slow microSD with just about reaching 25MB/s R/W speeds and a terrible 2-3 random 4K read speed, yikes, that is terrible for I/O latency.
Hey, extron owner here. You can use any sync. The crosspoint doesn't care what signal is being passed. It's 1 in 1 out. So it's the RECEIVING device that handles sync on green or luma.
That’s definitely not true. I’ve personally tested multiple and people smarter than me confirmed it. What’s the exact model and settings you have on yours? Maybe you have a hidden gem?
I love the original SP2SD. I got it when you announced it originally. I would think about upgrading, but I may look into that Flippy drive that you talked about a while back as the alternative. Edited to include the Morph. As much as I like my RAD2x and would love to support Mike Chi because of my experience with the RAD2x. However, that morph price is cool. I might have to consider that with more research though
I would like someone to make a single board Neptune where you can use original chips and and place it on a single board a bit like the Sega Nomad got reverse engineered by Endo that would make my day
Morph is just not selling compared to the Tink - lets face the facts: the Tink is superior in every way. No one wants to buy a retro scaler with the promise of analog support eventually - lets buy what's best for our use case and the Tink simply has all the input support and all the firmware features and support. The xDigital products are top tier for their purpose but the Tink is top tier for scaling. The Morph shouldn't have released as a barebones kit promising the world. It should have waited a year or two and released complete.
I have an OSSC since release and a morph 4k since release. The launch morph 4k FW and the current FW are like 2 completely different products. Added HDR10 is a game changer, easy profile injection and editing through SD card is so much better. I usually see Bob as a reasonable person but his predictions and opinion about the morph is extremely flawed. We got FW updates like every few days after launch, later with longer & more intense updates. Right now with the Morph you get a true 4k scaler at an absolute steal price. By comparison the tink 4k is now overpriced, some people may have a difficult time accepting that especially since Bob repeatedly mentioned how the tink 4k price is reasonable, it's not anymore. The OSSC + Morph 4k combo was cheaper than the tink 4k before the price drop, now the price difference is absurd.
@@mpowerness92 sorry, it just just an observation. Why would anyone lower the price on their device if it’s selling like hot cakes? I do not have sales numbers but I do have common sense. Maybe ha
@@mpowerness92 I was referring to Bobs "What you buy is what you get, don't expect FW updates" which is literally proven as being wrong as I described. The sales don't matter to me since I'm a customer, they shouldn't matter to you too since you don't gain any money out of those sales. What matters for us is as I described a potent 4k scaler for a killer price and as I said, the Morph + OSSC combo was already cheaper than the Tink 4k pre-price drop and now the Tink is clearly alot overpriced in comparison. The problem is that those UA-cam channels got the tink 4k about a year before everybody else and they expected to get the same privelages when it came to the Morph but they didn't get extra attention compared to the regular customer so no matter how I look at the situation it looks a lot like bias influence. I can't explain the misinformation spread in any other way.
Great video as always! Regarding the new SD2SP2, is there an updated version that will be accessible with the gameboy player attached? I’m currently on my second sd2sp2 because I rebought when the gb player version came out, so I’d like for purchase #3 to be the final one
@@RetroRGB apparently Silversteel created a design and put it on GitHub. Any idea what the next step would be in getting someone to manufacture these? I can’t be the only one who wants one 😅
That fpga sega Neptune supposedly does Dreamcast but it also is rumored to cost $20k,yes you read that right $20,000.No thanks will stick with my Mister
Glad to hear thr 24-bit IO board looks good! As someone who wants to get a mister to output component to a CRT, would you still recommend the retrocastle vga model? Alternatively, if I went with the 24-bit board, is there a reliable Saturn MiniDIN > RCA Component cable that you could recommend?
I can’t find anyone selling the Saturn breakout cables at the moment. Maybe MiSTerAddons will be getting more in? If you can’t find them, then yeah, you’ll want to go with the VGA RetroCastle kit.
I wish people gave the OSSC Pro more of a chance. It’s effectively replaced my RT5X and in my opinion the analog output module is pretty second to none at the moment. If you’re a CRT user and don’t need 4k capabilities I’d look REALLY hard at the OSSC Pro. Can make a decent VGA monitor really shine imo
My OSSC Pro _almost_ replaced my RT5X, but not entirely. I really miss the fake HDR modes of the RT5X, and 240p-480i dropless switching is a lot simpler on the RT5X. In fact I'm not even sure it's possible on the OSSC Pro at every configuration...
If the Neptune had MegaCD built-in with 32XCD support (the 32XCD based Neptune is what Sega should have launched post Mega-Drive rather than all the add-on nonsense), I'd be really interested, but you know what would be incredible, if someone recreate the legendary and coveted MegaPC with FPGA/ASIC chips, imagine a classic desktop with both a separate board for a Windows 98se based FPGA PC and one for the SMS/SMD/MCD/32XCD, never gonna be able to get one otherwise, that or a full FPGA recreation of the Sharp X6800 complete with a Sharp monitor recreation (using a 14 inch 4:3 OLED panel and GBS-C scaler perhaps).
Just my opinion: If you’ve already spent that much money on a beautiful OLED, spend the extra cash and get the RT4K. You WILL notice a difference on a display that nice. Also, yes, it’ll work with basically everything :)
Motion adaptive is on par with tink4k minus edge interpolation since a few updates ago. They are both using the same specific algorithm / reference design.
@rekor I already have 5x pro. I was wondering if it works well with the morph. Having 2 scalers daisy chained to each other is a bit of an eyesore, but if it's the equivalent of a tink 4k (or close to), then I'm in.
@@KayJay_EU well that's comforting. The only video I've seen of the morph is the one with voutar and Mike chi. It looked like there was some screen judder when the motion adaptive deinterlacer was turned on.
Thanks Bob! You summarised the Tink 4K’s place in the market as a downscaler better than me 😅
These roundups are the best part of my Wednesday mornings.
David G. from LMG was the writer to that video and I agree he does a fantastic job. It's also pretty cool to see him go from camera op to writer! Dude has talent.
I have the RT4K as a sort of "nexus point" in my setup where all my consoles have to pass through it (except HDMI 2.1 stuff) on their way to either my CX or my CRT. Which means that yeah, I use it for downscaling! As Bob says the RT4K isn't really DESIGNED to do this, you kinds have to force it to, but aside from the UI scaling I think HD content downscaled to 480p and sent to a CRT is a really lovely way to play games, especially remasters of stuff like Mario Galaxy, Mass Effect or Sonic Origins, or making 480p versions of 2D games via the Classic Mini consoles.
I haven't tried 240p output because, yeah, that's shrinking things way too far. I think 480p is good if you're not that beholden to scanlines!
Big fan of what Infidelity is doing. Also a big fan of Spicy Bob telling it like it is!
Could PixelFx be dumping their stock of Morph units, and developing a new product to take its place?
I knew it! Bob is being supported by BIG Sega Ralley!
Just ordered the Mister Multisystem (from ultimate) and all the controldocks and bells and whistles (from heberstore). So excited!!!! RMC has a summer sale now going on with nice discounts!
I saw the LTT video and was like "IT'S BOB!!!"
Big fan of you and Markus! Thank you!
Respect to Markus for continuing to support the original OSSC. The latest firmware has a couple of features that might be useful to me.
bob, please do a review of morph... in my case I only need hdmi (hidefnes, super NT and n64 digital mod), so I see it as a viable option, but there are zero reviews
I'm using the Morph 4K with my Super NT, Analogue Duo, Mega Sg, and Sega Saturn (through HD RAD2X). I can't see any reason why you shouldn't consider it at this price point. I'm also using my RetroTink 4K with my PS1Digital, Wii Dual, Windows 98SE machine, and other consoles. I've noticed that the community is so biased and toxic against the Morph 4K, but I'm glad I purchased both and am very happy with my setup.
@@BloodiTearz yeah I see no reason why not to at that price. I will be picking one up along with their Dreamcast kit they just released.
I've been a happy user of the MiSTer Analog IO board since the early days. DV is an amazing option, (and I use it in conjunction with the RT4K now, to bypass the built in scaler) but I still continue to use the board's dual output for my CRTs.
I doubt my monitors are awesome enough to notice much difference here, but I might buy it anyway, just for the psychological reassurance.
As someone who has had the Morph since launch, I'm very happy with the price drop. Excellent product and I'll probably buy a 2nd one at $275
It’s that time of week again boys and girls! Another Q&A in the books! Hope you are doing well today Bob, thanks for all the info!
20:00 - Very excited to see the FPGA based Sega Neptune. I've been calling for something like this to come out for over a year. Only thing is, they need to get it officially licensed by Sega, so after 30 years of "delays" it would get an official launch.
I wish they made a full-size/duplex SD UHS-II (312MB/s) or even UHS-III version of the GCSDSP2, the I/O of cheap mSD cards is just not fast enough for miniDVD optical discs, UHS-III offers 624MB/s (slightly faster than SATA-III) as well as 2-way I/O traffic, which would allow games to be properly played in real-time of the SD card without any stutter, jitter, freezing, slow-load-times (load times should be instant or at least as fast as miniDVD opti discs) and proper audio timings without audio stretching or other audio artefacts that mSD cards exhibit, Dolphin running ISO's perform rock solid once you get past UHS-I speeds, every damn thing uses dog slow microSD with just about reaching 25MB/s R/W speeds and a terrible 2-3 random 4K read speed, yikes, that is terrible for I/O latency.
Dang, literally JUST bought an SD2SP2! Kicking myself over that one- this really does seem like a nice bug fixing update.
I can (so far) definitely do RWE this year, maybe except Sunday. So excited!
hoping a right-angle / Game Boy Player compatible version of the new SD2SP2 gets made!
Hey, extron owner here. You can use any sync. The crosspoint doesn't care what signal is being passed. It's 1 in 1 out. So it's the RECEIVING device that handles sync on green or luma.
That’s definitely not true. I’ve personally tested multiple and people smarter than me confirmed it. What’s the exact model and settings you have on yours? Maybe you have a hidden gem?
Looking forward to someone releasing a d-sub version of the 24bit MiSTer I/O board.
I love the original SP2SD. I got it when you announced it originally. I would think about upgrading, but I may look into that Flippy drive that you talked about a while back as the alternative.
Edited to include the Morph. As much as I like my RAD2x and would love to support Mike Chi because of my experience with the RAD2x. However, that morph price is cool. I might have to consider that with more research though
I like how bob tells it like it is.
I would like someone to make a single board Neptune where you can use original chips and and place it on a single board a bit like the Sega Nomad got reverse engineered by Endo that would make my day
Watching this before RedLetterMedia trashes The Acolyte 😎
Morph is just not selling compared to the Tink - lets face the facts: the Tink is superior in every way. No one wants to buy a retro scaler with the promise of analog support eventually - lets buy what's best for our use case and the Tink simply has all the input support and all the firmware features and support. The xDigital products are top tier for their purpose but the Tink is top tier for scaling. The Morph shouldn't have released as a barebones kit promising the world. It should have waited a year or two and released complete.
I have an OSSC since release and a morph 4k since release. The launch morph 4k FW and the current FW are like 2 completely different products. Added HDR10 is a game changer, easy profile injection and editing through SD card is so much better. I usually see Bob as a reasonable person but his predictions and opinion about the morph is extremely flawed. We got FW updates like every few days after launch, later with longer & more intense updates. Right now with the Morph you get a true 4k scaler at an absolute steal price. By comparison the tink 4k is now overpriced, some people may have a difficult time accepting that especially since Bob repeatedly mentioned how the tink 4k price is reasonable, it's not anymore. The OSSC + Morph 4k combo was cheaper than the tink 4k before the price drop, now the price difference is absurd.
So you have access to their sales numbers? Sounds like you don’t know what you are talking about.
@@mpowerness92 sorry, it just just an observation. Why would anyone lower the price on their device if it’s selling like hot cakes? I do not have sales numbers but I do have common sense. Maybe ha
@@mpowerness92 I was referring to Bobs "What you buy is what you get, don't expect FW updates" which is literally proven as being wrong as I described. The sales don't matter to me since I'm a customer, they shouldn't matter to you too since you don't gain any money out of those sales. What matters for us is as I described a potent 4k scaler for a killer price and as I said, the Morph + OSSC combo was already cheaper than the Tink 4k pre-price drop and now the Tink is clearly alot overpriced in comparison.
The problem is that those UA-cam channels got the tink 4k about a year before everybody else and they expected to get the same privelages when it came to the Morph but they didn't get extra attention compared to the regular customer so no matter how I look at the situation it looks a lot like bias influence. I can't explain the misinformation spread in any other way.
@@KayJay_EUI was responding to the original post, not yours. The guy doesn’t know what he is talking about.
Great video as always! Regarding the new SD2SP2, is there an updated version that will be accessible with the gameboy player attached? I’m currently on my second sd2sp2 because I rebought when the gb player version came out, so I’d like for purchase #3 to be the final one
I hope someone comes up with that design!
@@RetroRGB apparently Silversteel created a design and put it on GitHub. Any idea what the next step would be in getting someone to manufacture these? I can’t be the only one who wants one 😅
Does anyone else watch these in 240p on UA-cam?
That fpga sega Neptune supposedly does Dreamcast but it also is rumored to cost $20k,yes you read that right $20,000.No thanks will stick with my Mister
LMAOOOOO...where did you see that price? The June 30th official reveal didn't even happen yet!
5 oclock retro show
Glad to hear thr 24-bit IO board looks good!
As someone who wants to get a mister to output component to a CRT, would you still recommend the retrocastle vga model?
Alternatively, if I went with the 24-bit board, is there a reliable Saturn MiniDIN > RCA Component cable that you could recommend?
I can’t find anyone selling the Saturn breakout cables at the moment. Maybe MiSTerAddons will be getting more in? If you can’t find them, then yeah, you’ll want to go with the VGA RetroCastle kit.
Bob.
Ash.
Bob is deinterlacing.
@@RetroRGB I'm sure I'm not the first to say it, by quite some margin ....but you definitely need a sidekick/partner called Weave, bro.
I wish people gave the OSSC Pro more of a chance. It’s effectively replaced my RT5X and in my opinion the analog output module is pretty second to none at the moment. If you’re a CRT user and don’t need 4k capabilities I’d look REALLY hard at the OSSC Pro. Can make a decent VGA monitor really shine imo
My OSSC Pro _almost_ replaced my RT5X, but not entirely. I really miss the fake HDR modes of the RT5X, and 240p-480i dropless switching is a lot simpler on the RT5X. In fact I'm not even sure it's possible on the OSSC Pro at every configuration...
If the Neptune had MegaCD built-in with 32XCD support (the 32XCD based Neptune is what Sega should have launched post Mega-Drive rather than all the add-on nonsense), I'd be really interested, but you know what would be incredible, if someone recreate the legendary and coveted MegaPC with FPGA/ASIC chips, imagine a classic desktop with both a separate board for a Windows 98se based FPGA PC and one for the SMS/SMD/MCD/32XCD, never gonna be able to get one otherwise, that or a full FPGA recreation of the Sharp X6800 complete with a Sharp monitor recreation (using a 14 inch 4:3 OLED panel and GBS-C scaler perhaps).
More scalers competition is good for everyone.
So then which should I get for my QN90A, the Retrotink 4K or the Retrotink 5X? Would the 4K work with the Steam Deck dock?
Just my opinion: If you’ve already spent that much money on a beautiful OLED, spend the extra cash and get the RT4K. You WILL notice a difference on a display that nice. Also, yes, it’ll work with basically everything :)
@@RetroRGB It’s actually a Neo QLED, though I do have in mind to get an OLED. Thanks for the suggestion though!
Still a great TV…but sorry for mixing up model numbers!
@@RetroRGB no problem 😉
I know the morph 4k has issues with its motion adaptive deinterlacer, but does it play well with tink 5x pro?
Just get a 5x. It has way more features than the morph and it gets updated.
Motion adaptive is on par with tink4k minus edge interpolation since a few updates ago.
They are both using the same specific algorithm / reference design.
@rekor I already have 5x pro. I was wondering if it works well with the morph. Having 2 scalers daisy chained to each other is a bit of an eyesore, but if it's the equivalent of a tink 4k (or close to), then I'm in.
@@KayJay_EU well that's comforting. The only video I've seen of the morph is the one with voutar and Mike chi. It looked like there was some screen judder when the motion adaptive deinterlacer was turned on.
Has infidelity been striked by a Big N dmca? 😂 (haha just kidding about the horrid fad going on...)
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