I am always grateful of my apostolic upbringing and always enjoy david bernards teachings on these subject because he put it in a very easy way, and many others do the same. But unfortunatly there are many preachers that have such high inconsistent standards of beliefs that they become stricter than God. They push even other apostolics away as sinners. Many of us push other believers like our brothers and sisters from the PAW away and other apostolic churches. We have elevated our standards to acts 2:38 level when it shouldnt be. We have snubbed our noses and looked down on others because they dont fully look like us.
A legitimate Born Again person can sense another one even if they are different Faith Flavors, Scribes & Pharisees come in any or most denominations, thus WHY Jesus explained those who Love One Another
Yes, there are many inconsistencies especially in the very conservative churches. I still believe the Apostolic church is the greatest place next to heaven. I choose to focus on my relationship with God and let God deal with the inconsistencies of others.
You're absolutely right. To those Apostolic believers who can follow holiness standard they must have higher level of understanding to those who can't. They must understand why other believers still struggling to wear modest clothing. Help them as well,encourage them and teach them how.
Great treatment of this topic. Bro. Bernard, you immediately addressed the relevance, set it in the proper context, and used wisdom in explicating how to apply this today. Also, your personal example speaks loudly -- in a good way. I've taken the UPC to task on a LOT of things, but one thing I have never, ever seen, is a UPC pastor (and I've know quite a few) that used his position to enrich himself, or to elevate his own financial situation, but to the contrary, generally, as you pointed out, many LOSE a lot of earning potential (in a materialistic sense) by entering ministry rather than leveraging their intellect and skill out in business.
sanctification.........holiness........ doesn't come by human works, performance, it comes ONLY from the Indwelling Risen Christ, wood, hay, stubble will be burned up
True Lord Jesus (Yeshua) said Be ye Holy like my Father is Holy...It’s the Blood Of The Lamb that makes one Holy/ His Holiness His Righteousness/Holy Spirit helps one to live Holy ❤Just dialoguing
I agree here about modesty and moderation. But I've heard enough teachings on jewelry, apparel, and the pride of life. Can boats and expensive cars and grand pianos and gold watches and chalets and the cost of caring for pet dogs be considered a modest example of christian living?
@@breakingboardrooms1778 - yes. Some definitely do. I see them in my neighborhood…. As I am sure the homeless in your Oikos do too. But often times UPCIers are so preoccupied with their internal affairs they never see the world outside their four walls. They fail to recognize their calling to be a healing presence and encounter Christ everywhere they go. Observe the people in your Oikos - and see how to be a ministry of helps and fulfill Christ-God’s commandment to love one another.
The one area that we aren’t entirely Apostolic is in the book of Acts where it says that they sold all their possessions. We love our American lifestyles too much to consider sacrificing some stuff for the kingdom.
The key is MODESTY AND PROPRIETY. Is what I have on appropriate? What is is my intention? Did I go above my means to obtain it? Can people see God in me or just how I look? Am I clothed in and with GOOD WORKS?
The main point and bottom line is, don't give the enemy something to snare you with or allows spiritual pride and legalistic mindset to snare you or defile you. It could be something simple as footwear or clothing or makeup or hair. Keep it simple and stay submitted to God. Don't be contentious or argumentative.
I think wedding rings and watches should be the exception: these days men like their "bling" which is not only gaudy but obnoxious! There is too much temptation to flaunt wealth these days and this is a very good, balanced teaching on the subject. As far as clothes are concerned: "Raise your hands, and touch your toes, if anything shows go change your clothes"
Might I ask why should wedding rings and watches be the exception? Do any of the New Testament authors make wedding rings/watches an exception? If not, on what scriptural basis are these exceptions?
I don’t think it matters at all. What’s the difference with buying nice clothes rather they were expensive or not - buying them to wear to look nice, not to look nice for attention or lust- but be well dressed and ready for the day, and someone wearing earrings or a necklace as a part of their outfit? It’s all articles of clothing to look nice. It’s the internet we hold behind it that matters. Also, jewelry is cheap lol. You don’t have to wear expensive jewelry. However, you don’t have to wear flash dresses and shoes, and makeup styles. You don’t have to wear flashy suits and shirts, you don’t have to wear a lot of jewelry either. It’s all the same and basically serves the same purpose.
I am a Pentecostal Apostolic from Toronto, Ontario, Canada and in our Jamaican cultural church’s over here, the woman and men are taught to dress modestly (I am however seeing some things creeping in, like those long polished nails) I personally do not believe in wearing what one pastor has called, the *“trinkets of Egypt.”* If I continue to do what I did prior to becoming a Christian what was I saved from?! I endeavour to live a life separated from the world and this means I have to by the Holy Spirit guard my ear gate and eye gate. I do not listen to any secular music or gospel music that sounds like secular music and I do not have a TV (although the Internet can be worse) I am not condemning anyone who does this, but I wouldn’t want a spouse who is ok with the wearing of Jewelry for the Saints or pants for women. I do not currently have a problem with Sisters wearing pants in the gym only or pj’s at home or during hospital admissions. This however, is submitted before the Lord, and if He says to me no pants period, then it’s no pants, period. I submit to Him. 🇨🇦
Yes Brother Bernard! everything in moderation and we should not judge one another. Living by the Word of God and Working out our own salvation with fear and trembling is the best way to live. Also to keep in mind that there is a world of lost souls that need we need to snatch from the fire will keep it all into perspective!
So who or what sets the standard on "costly clothes?" The writer is setting a PRINCIPLE of not putting so much emphasis on these things, he didn't say dont wear it. The women with more money at that time did to show their status!
Muslim women are very modest in their apparel, and some to the degree where they wear a Hijab, to cover part of their face. They show kindness and courtesy in public. Apostolic women want to display modesty as well. And many are kind and courteous in public and church. But we can't always judge a character just by the way one dresses. Anyone can look good on the outside, but the inside of the cup has to be clean also. It's easier to dress and look holy than to actually repent of our double-mindedness. I think some apostolics believe their dress code is a sacrifice unto God and so they get away with dealing with matters of the fruit of the Spirit. The world today needs to see the fruit. When' Rome is burning', they won't care about how short the skirt length is, everyone will show the true fruit by displaying God's love. A religious dress code (standard) of the UPCI is essential to live out the teaching of the apostles. So what comes first, a clean heart, then the modesty in apparel, or the modesty in apparel first, then the clean heart? Sometimes the UPCI rules feels like the cart before the horse.
A hijab is a head covering that also covers the chest. If the face is being covered with the eye uncovered - it is a niqab. Christian women are required to ALSO wear head coverings while inside the temple (in your vernacular - church building). Just as the man is be uncovered while entering into a holy place - the woman is to be covered. Both are expected to be modest. The veiling of Christian women is expected most parishes, but not always enforced in the strictest sense. I can only think of 3 or 4 women in my parish who do not cover. They are not marginalized in the slightest…. It is fascinating to see the Christian world outside the context of an American context….
A standard is not required to live the apostles faith. Work our your own salvation with fear and trembling. I've seen modest women wearing slacks and women oozing overt sexuality wearing a UPC approved skirt.
When you adore yourself to be seen of men, you’re drawing attention and pointing others to yourself. Instead the follower of Christ must point others to the Lord Jesus Christ.
The teaching in this passage is MODERATION and RIGHT PRIORITIES, not a prohibition against jewelry. Further, even the word for modesty here does not primarily refer to showing skin, but rather moderation in terms of not being excessively over the top and ostentatious.
The focus on outward beauty should not be prioritized over inward beauty. THAT IS THE POINT. Let’s stop making laws where there aren’t any, and putting up additional barriers to the spread of the gospel.
excellent video and great teaching, but "my wife and I live in a very nice car" is one of the funniest things I've ever heard from a minister. #homelessforJesus
Growing up in The United Pentecostal Church, we were NEVER "United" because of teachings like this aka standards. Churches look down at other churches. People in the same church look down at each other. And this is all done inside the UPC organization.
But that's one thing the learder in our church is misleading others on the standard. The standard is there in the bible for everyone not the church. With me I totally agree with you, because I also brought in the same church but there was one thing we need to relalize is that we are all preacher. The way we live should be preaching the word of God because that will convict the person that see the way we live rather then comparing standard. Thank you, may our Lord Jesus help us.
The UPCI is not a cult. Each church/pastor will operate their church how he sees fit. Humans are sinful no matter the organization. We are all sinners trying to be more like Jesus.
King Jesus is Royal Priesthood ❤So I presume that calls for a Royal Crown encrusted jewels...Also The Throne is describe as emeralds diamonds Streets of Gold /How about them Pearly Gates...OT Priest wore a jewel stones vest...Prodigal Son was given a ring...just dialoguing
I find it sad that this subject is given attention in these times we live in. Women I know are concerned about the rising price of food, heat, rent, cost of living. There may be a segment of the apostolics that like to wear expensive jewelry, but focusing on their behavior is not helping those women who can't even afford the essentials of daily living, let alone jewelry. If the preachers feel a need to remind women to be modest in apparel in today's economy, they may be a bit tone-deaf about what's going on out there. Women aren't concerned about what or what not to wear, but more about if they can even afford clothing. I know of many apostolic women who can only shop at second-hand stores for their families and themselves. Forget jewelry. It may be fine and prosperous where these pastors live, but I'm certain if these pastors were aware of the less affluent apostolics, living paycheck to paycheck, they might speak a word of encouragement instead.
This entire channel is dedicated to “living out the teaching of the apostles in the 21st century” if you want encouragement get that from friends, family, your church family etc. this channel is not dedicated to the rising prices in the economy.
I hear you, but this is the topic at hand. Everything is to be done is decency and order. There is a time for everything under the sun. The time / subject on this podcast is this topic When it will be time , he will deal with that subject . Until then. be encouraged. God has not forgotten you.
@@rgordon9854 You are right, this is the topic at hand. Thank you for being kind in your response. Yours is a demonstration of good fruit in the inner heart.
@@apostolic.2023 I say this respectfully, your comment was ungodly and you should apologise to the person you sent it to. She might not have family, a church home or friends. Dont let your love grow cold bro/sis ❤
l holiness is not defined in the Bible as abstaining from wearing jewelry God put jewelry on a woman in the Old Testament dkb is only cowering to the pressures of the group Wearing jewelry has nothing to do with being saved Moderation is key
“Hey. Look at me - I’m gaudy…” that was funny. But, on a serious note - it seems to me the the good Dr Bernard is saying - what he isn’t saying… It seems to me the scriptures do not expressly state all that the point papers of the UPCI organization state…. He speaks of pastors exercising ‘liberty’… in their teaching… about principles … but although he speaks of believers exercising that same liberty to either comply or not to comply … we know culturally, many UPCIers tend to be quick to label folks as ‘walking in the spirit of rebellion’… surely not you… but your neighbor. What is the message of 1 Tim 2? Is it that women’s sole function is to birth babies so that they may perfect godliness? Be quiet. Be submissive and learn in silence. Birth babies. Nah, I don’t think that’s the essence of this passage. But the man and the woman are to ‘continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.’ Why? That every aspect of their life is oriented properly… ‘Faithful lives fitting for Prayer’ - that God’s salvific work affect every dimension/arenas/roles that makes us fully human isn’t hindered. The UPCI shares a heritage with the Wesleyans … Dr Bernard mentions this correctly. The Revivalist period of American Christianity was largely shaped by the Methodists - which gave way to the Holiness Movement - which led into the Azusa Street Revival - which led to the Brush Arbor Movement - which led to the ‘issue’ that would split the largest American group when certain preachers were defrocked. Holy is other. God is holy - meaning God is entirely ‘other’ and has called us to ‘otherness’. If God has truly moved on your heart that in your ‘liberty’ to not wear jewelry… then do so cheerfully and joyfully. But, you cannot judge your brother or sister for exercising that same liberty in deciding that it isn’t ‘thing’ that would affect God’s redemptive work in their life? You cannot teach a universal standard when the Scriptures are open ended, loosey-goosey. What does a ‘faithful life fitting for prayer look like?’
This is spot on. There is also scripture in Peter stating to not focus on the outside appearance but to focus on the inside. People use this a lot to back up “you can’t wear jewelry” Bible no where specifically says that. It’s all apart of being modest and holy. I would see some women who wear earrings and a necklaces . Obviously, not super flashy jewelry. There is a big difference in types of jewelry too. But these women are so kind and loving to everyone and you know where they stand with God because they praise Him! Some of those women were kind.. some of them were not . Then I’ve seen apostolic women who attended services who although didn’t wear earring or necklaces, or makeup (that we could see or just not a lot of)were still wearing very flashy outfits and sparkly clothing. Some of these women were also kind and loving! Some of these women were not.. People have got to STOP focusing on how someone is dressed or what they are wearing!! I’m not saying not to be modest and cover up but I am saying that modesty is much more that clothing and jewelry. There is also the intent of what is being warn. If a woman buys beautiful dress and she likes it because she feels lovely in it and it flattering in a modest way why it buy it and wear it? What is the difference with wearing a dress you find beautiful and want to look nice in and wearing a pair of earring you also like and want to look nice in? Nothing at all lol! It’s all the same! God is looking at our hearts!
Didn’t Jesus describe putting a nose ring, earrings, bracelets, and crown on his bride? Don’t tell me it’s just symbolic- even if it is, would Jesus use evil symbolism to describe His bride? Nah. What did Rebecca have given to her the moment she was going to marry Jacob.. a nose ring, and bracelets. The UPCI makes me sick. Stop! Your authority starts and stops with the word. Take all the liberty you need for yourself, but stop telling others things are sin, and heaven and bell when they aren’t. The key is moderation and biblical teaching of history
We do wear jewelry. However, as scripture says in Philippians 4:5 we wear it in moderation. Jewelry doesn't matter to God one way or another. Man looks on the outward appearance but God judges the heart. There are disobedient Christians who do and do not wear Jewelry. There obedient Christians who wear jewelry and those who don't wear jewelry.
@@geraldritchey4822 1.) I didn't make that claim. 2.) Making an argument from silence? 3.) Actually 1 Samuel 16:7 does say that, though I am not applying that directly to the present subject
@@mikef6063 Well this is one debate I won without needing debate class. I Samuel 16:7 absolutely does NOT say God doesn't look on the outward appearance.
The thing is if we are to obey 1 Timothy chapter 2, verse 9, and obey it as it is written, should we not obey the next verses of 11 to 14. "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." And here we have the apostles' doctrine written very plainly and simple. Is the licensing of women pastors apostolic? Or does the UPCI pick and choose verses that fits their personal agenda?
@@maryhelencampos9964is that referring to God viewing men and women the same as far as value, equality in Christ, and salvation, or is this scripture saying there are no differences in men and women, therefore no different roles at all? To follow your argument to its logical conclusion, there would not need to be any distinction in hair, dress, role in the home, etc. Is that what you believe?
@@joehostetler9707 I am just trying to be the go between/referee/ an open mind … Scripturally there are ministry positions that only man can fill… just dialoguing
Wait.. we can’t look to the Old Testament to reference positive verses about jewelry but we can use the OT for Deut. 22:5? 🤔 The inconsistencies abound!
Oddly enough so do spiritual usurpers who wrongly sit in the judgment seat of Christ. They dress in suits and ties and shake TTOPs - Terrible Towels Of Pentecost - quite enthusiastically .
I agree with Bro Bernards comments. Howevee, i dont think apostolics should say they we, they, dont belive in wearing jewerly.....while some men or wearing expensive watches and se woman wre wearimg diamond wedding rings. As Bro Bernard states...those are jewelry. So, in my ipinion, being raised on a pentecostal pew and family, this is abother sitution that creates problems. What cant peope say ehat they mean???? Peope are damaged by statements aboiut jewerly being a sin when its not explained as Bro Bernard did here. Thanks Bro Bernard.
Quick question. When you were speaking about what the early first centry people that braided their hair and had a string of pearls in hair, are you saying that is what the church done back then or that is what the church did back then? We can't ever say if the world does it then it must be ok for the church to do it. You must do better in explaining.
Says "gold or pearls or COSTLY ATTIRE". So what about silver? or fake jewelry? Seems Paul is simply saying don't look like you belong to the world. We see on TV these so-called preachers wearing fancy clothes and expensive jewelry and at the same time asking for money. They have big homes, fancy cars and so on, they are seeking the things of this world. But is a woman who dresses sensibly, wear costume jewelry, is this who Paul is talking to? Nope
You do realize you need to look at the customs of what was going on at the time Paul wrote this. The point is dress morally and be balanced!! The Holy Spirit is really good at convicting each one of us.
Tons of apostolic Pentecostals wear jewelry, myself included. This title should read: “why does the UPCI prohibit jewelry?” As much as I love Dr Bernard, he nor the UPCI can speak for oneness Pentecostals as a group.
Forget about organizations for a while and listen to what Brother Bernard is actually daying. The Bible is clear that this is NOT okay. Jewelry is often used as a symptom of the rebellion of the people. Makeup and jewelry are BOTH pure vanity, basically saying that God didn't make you attractive enough on your own and you need other things to "improve" on His design. God bless you and help you see this truth.
Jesus calls this way “the narrow way.” “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.” Matthew 7:13-14.
"We live in a very nice car"😂 I realize he didn't mean to say it, but it cracked me up considering the topic of living a moderate lifestyle...if he had meant to say that, I guess most American Christians might have to rethink their lifestyles😉
Some things can be a snare for spiritual pride or legality, whether it's jewelry or none. It can be footwear or clothing or how they wear hair or makeup or not.
If you walk in the SPIRIT you don’t have to worry about any of this. You will follow HIS leading. And believe me HE will lead you if you will just follow HIM!!!!
@@dianacastillo498 - what does walking in the Spirit even look like? What happens when I see it differently than you do- does that mean I’m greater or lesser than you?
@@revamp6612 - considering the Reformation has yielded some crazy number of sects - like 24K groups of folks all reading and studying the same Scriptures … and even in your local church setting - there is variances and difference in understanding… I think it is safe to assert - understanding the Scriptures isn’t as straightforward as you suggest.
Many Apostolic Pentecostals do indeed wear jewelry. Perhaps because of their differing understanding of the context behind the source text. To blanket the general Apostolic movement with such a title as found heading this video is most dishonest.
People having differing viewpoints does not make Dr. Bernard dishonest. The beliefs of the upci organization are on the upci website, so, yes, it is a viewpoint of the upci apostolic pentecostal church as a whole. Every person is at a different point in their walk with God, and some play to the technicalities, i.e broaches aren't a necklace sort of thinking. This fact doesn't make him stating the public viewpoint of the organization a falsity.
@@pbluvstoast140369 one i made no mention of Dr. Bernard being dishonest and two the video title does not specify upci Apostolics only as you have so mistakingly suggested. The upci does NOT reflect the position of the entire Apostolic movement. In fact the upci represents approximately only 5% to 10% of the broader Apostolic movement in the whole. Additionally, some in the upci do differ in opinion on this subject. The other 90% to 95% of the Apostolic movement worldwide likewise have varying positions on this subject as well. For example, if one were to visit a church in the paw it would likely be found that many ladies wear jewelry. Now one may argue this is allowed in disobedience to scripture but another may argue that context of the source text does not restrict jewelry in instances outside of attempting to sway sexual attraction, as Dr. Bernard points out in the video, which would make motive of the individual prime in judging these scenarios. Ergo, having established these things, to name the video blanketing the entirety of the Apostolic movement insinuating that all Apostolics don't wear jewelry is utterly and blatantly false. I hope you would at least agree to that.
@@TheSoulWinnersGuideGreetings Sir or Mam my apologies in advance with respect your comment. Is Dr. Bernard interpreting The Scripture of the Epistles misappropriate form. Why? Because it's important to read the position paper although it is UPCI to provide a scriptural Spirit lead difference of interpretation, respectfully I have not heard you provided. By reading your response the actions gives the reader the interpretation you felt dishonestly addressed in the responding in offense to your original point. I did myself come out of an Oneness Apostolic Organization that do allow in some demographics woman to wear jewelry and men. But according to Scripture does not align with Born again believers walk with God post Conversion to truth. Am I mistaken by what you first stated. Again this not an attack my bro or sis. Be blessed. P.S in alot of our Predominantly African American Apostolic Oneness movements they have changed overtime their position
@@pbluvstoast140369 perhaps a better title for the video would have been "why do some Apostolics not wear jewelry?" Or maybe "why do most upci Apostolics not wear jewelry?", or something of that nature.
I have many family members that considered themselves so godly because the women only wore skirts or dresses, yet got pregnant outside of wedlock. It's not the outside that matters. God looks at the heart.
God looks at both, the inside, and the outside. The apostle Paul told the Corinthians, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit perfecting holiness in the fear of God. The flesh here is referring to the outside, and the term spirit here, is referring to the inside. if you don’t think God is concerned at all about the outside, then it would not bother you for a Christian to tattoo his entire face? To put jewelry in his ears on his nose, and on his lips, you don’t think that would offend the Lord? And the term that God does not look at the outside but the inside, that is in reference to God, speaking to Samuel the prophet, when God was choosing a new king for Israel. it had nothing to do with holiness, but had something to do with the heart of the young shepherd David that God was admired with, and wanted him to be the next king of Israel. God sees the inside, yes, but he’s concerned how the outside looks on believers. You can’t say that God would be pleased for a woman to get a mohawk haircut, tattoos on the sides of her head that is bald, jewels on her eyelids, nose and lips, and then say God’s not concerned about that he only looks at the heart? There’s enough common sense and scripture evidence and God’s concerned about the condition of your heart and spirit and also how you look on the outside.
Does not mean they were wrong about the way they dress. It's awful they fell into sin but we can fall. We don't judge them. We have to give up some things on earth. Jesus gave his life we can give up some things for him. It's not always easy but it is certain his word tells us how women should dress. God separated how women and men dressed in his word.
Some people need to go back to one of the first statements Sr. Bernard makes. The heart and salvation is far more important than standards. The Bible says to come as you are. Who are you to judge? This is a problem a lot of our churches face is the judgmental attitudes. Let Jesus work and deal with people on their appearance and you just pray for them!!!
I agree but Bishop... many people backslid first because they didn't maintain outward Holiness... Our dress reveals our heart. It's called a "fashion statement" because it expresses what we really believe... Holiness of dress is more important than people believe it is... Dress is spiritual, that's why how the people dressed were important... and even anointing followed mantles and clothes... I firmly believe how we dress reveals what's really in our hearts... and it IS Heaven or Hell... God even clothed Adam and Eve in the transgression... why?... because it's REALLY important. Now, as far as cars and houses... I believe it's ok to be blessed, but I believe we shouldn't be so quick to take something "extravagant" just because it's offered. I personally believe that the LORD tests us with those interactions. ...many people start getting stuff "given" to them and Satan accomplishes the same goal of Covetousness... Then we get the Trinitarian "Wealth Transfer" message in the Church... (It's already here now.) I think people make excuses to justify their hunger for prosperity... and I firmly believe it's a test from God. We shouldn't even WANT those things, nor want to be seen with them.
Your comment contradicts itself. You say many people backslide because they didn't maintain outward Holiness and then correctly stated our dress reveals our heart. They did not backslide because they didn't maintain standards they backslide because they had a heart issue they didn't take care of
@@reachfortruth1976 I wasn't contradicting... I was saying the dress was the EXPRESSION of the heart. So yes, they backslid because of a heart issue; and dress revealed what their problem was. There was no contradicting my friend.
@@reachfortruth1976 - that, or they grew weary from well doing - from the undue pressure to conform and perform to the will of man beneath the guise of the ‘church’. God is not in a culture that is exalted above His name. The Bible doesn’t even tell us what holiness actually is… but it does exist. God may very well require of you - something he does not require of me. It is your responsibility to maintain your calling as you were called… just as it my responsibility to maintain mine as I am called. Believe. Belong. Become. We are all called to be more… Believe more… Belong more… Become more… This is precisely what 1 Tim 2 is teaching us: Faithful lives fitting for prayer. What does conversion even look like? In the American Revivalist period - where life in Christ was reduced down to ‘fire insurance’ with the Jesus Saves movement and its variants - all tried to create a repeatable process… and as UPCIers - have a form of this godliness - slightly modified. You don’t know your own heart. How can you know the heart of another? You cannot see grace - but that manifold grace is already present in the lives of every person you and I encounter. You cannot see the Holy Spirt, the Lord and Giver of Life.. but, He is already present - everywhere present and fills all things. Christ-God assumed our humanity without corruption, that we may put on divinity. If there be any separation between man and God - it is by man’s doing, not God’s doing. We are called to provoke one another to good works… but we are never to harm one another… because God’s salvific work is performed in Community - in us, through us, above us, below us, beside us. I It’s easy to place the blame on the ‘backslider’ - but having seen how many Oneness Pentecostals behave… they eat their own more than the evangelicals do. People make mistakes - but, that manifold grace of God just sustains us as we … reorient ourselves through our good deeds… continuing in faith, love, and ‘otherness’ - coupled with self-control. When is the law of Christ demonstrated?
If you truly believe as you are saying you believe - and are not disguising envy with a spiritual cloak of false piety - then live your truth out in peace and repentance. Are we sure it was those evil trinitarians who created the ‘wealth transfer’ you speak of? Outside of your limited context of what is / and is not / Christian - the Church has long recognized that ‘matter matters’. So, Christians outside of your context - still believe that God is able to permit his divine energies flow in the material world. If God can flow through an article of clothing - he can certainly flow through our homes and even our cars. Live out your personal convictions and love one another, even those trinitarians.
@@moghraops Go to the Bible; and read 1 Timothy 2. Then go read 1 Peter 3... THEN go read 2nd Peter 2... ...and after that's over. Go read 1 Timothy 4, and 2nd Timothy 4... Then go make a small trip to Matthew 6, Colossians 3, and Jude 1:1-4... MANY people aren't going to Heaven... Trinitarian Doctrines were created from the Catholic Church which was nothing but Babylon reemerged because many pagan religions had a "Trinity". Buddhism, Hinduism, Egypt, Babylon... Yep. They were raised up to bring false doctrine into the Church... So, like I said... many aren't going to Heaven.
Please study for yourself. If God had a probably with jewels, God wouldn’t have it in Heaven !! There NO SIN OR WICKNESS in Heaven . There are a lot scriptures that 9“ ‘I bathed you with water and washed the blood from you and put ointments on you. 10I clothed you with an embroidered dress and put sandals of fine leather on you. I dressed you in fine linen and covered you with costly garments. 11I adorned you with jewelry: I put bracelets on your arms and a necklace around your neck, 12and I put a ring on your nose, earrings on your ears and a beautiful crown on your head. 13So you were adorned with gold and silver; your clothes were of fine linen and costly fabric and embroidered cloth. Your food was honey, olive oil and the finest flour. You became very beautiful and rose to be a queen. 14And your fame spread among the nations on account of your beauty, because the splendor I had given you made your beauty perfect, declares the Sovereign Lord. The standards are from man. Be holy because I’m holy ( in your fruits and action )
Jesus told the youg man sell all that you have abd come follow me I always see these luke watm Christains that say its not a big deal or its bot a salvation issue are you God your gunna judge yourself whatever God wants we should do not hudgr according to ourselves we dont understand his thoughts so just do what he says all these halfway in but go to church every Sunday Christians that believe that was back then or hear a verse about this make excuses and say its bot a big deal let God deal with you dont argue with me argue with the verses
I am always grateful of my apostolic upbringing and always enjoy david bernards teachings on these subject because he put it in a very easy way, and many others do the same.
But unfortunatly there are many preachers that have such high inconsistent standards of beliefs that they become stricter than God. They push even other apostolics away as sinners.
Many of us push other believers like our brothers and sisters from the PAW away and other apostolic churches.
We have elevated our standards to acts 2:38 level when it shouldnt be. We have snubbed our noses and looked down on others because they dont fully look like us.
A legitimate Born Again person can sense another one even if they are different Faith Flavors, Scribes & Pharisees come in any or most denominations, thus WHY Jesus explained those who Love One Another
Dallendh/Excellent Holy Spirit Insightful Discernment/I totally agree with you...
Yes, there are many inconsistencies especially in the very conservative churches. I still believe the Apostolic church is the greatest place next to heaven. I choose to focus on my relationship with God and let God deal with the inconsistencies of others.
You're absolutely right. To those Apostolic believers who can follow holiness standard they must have higher level of understanding to those who can't. They must understand why other believers still struggling to wear modest clothing. Help them as well,encourage them and teach them how.
Great treatment of this topic. Bro. Bernard, you immediately addressed the relevance, set it in the proper context, and used wisdom in explicating how to apply this today. Also, your personal example speaks loudly -- in a good way. I've taken the UPC to task on a LOT of things, but one thing I have never, ever seen, is a UPC pastor (and I've know quite a few) that used his position to enrich himself, or to elevate his own financial situation, but to the contrary, generally, as you pointed out, many LOSE a lot of earning potential (in a materialistic sense) by entering ministry rather than leveraging their intellect and skill out in business.
Jesus is our example he never wore all that jewelry. I thank God for people who will stand up an preach truth.
Jesus didn’t wear a suit and tie to church either. 😂 He had a beard and wore a robe and flip flops, too! 😂
Thankful of Brother Bernard’s ministry and leadership. Good explanation of the scriptures.
Thank you bishop Bernard for speaking on this issue
Thank you Bro. Bernard, we also use in our study your books in Bible School here in the Phillipines
I celebrate being separate and holiness with you in Jesus Name! Great teaching thank you DKB
sanctification.........holiness........ doesn't come by human works, performance, it comes ONLY from the Indwelling Risen Christ, wood, hay, stubble will be burned up
True Lord Jesus (Yeshua) said Be ye Holy like my Father is Holy...It’s the Blood Of The Lamb that makes one Holy/ His Holiness His Righteousness/Holy Spirit helps one to live Holy ❤Just dialoguing
I'd really love to hear Bro. Bernard's thoughts about the catholic teaching of purgatory.
Thanks pastor DKB and this podcasts. GOD bless you all.
This is one of the best ones i have ever heard thank bro bernard for this subject
I agree here about modesty and moderation. But I've heard enough teachings on jewelry, apparel, and the pride of life. Can boats and expensive cars and grand pianos and gold watches and chalets and the cost of caring for pet dogs be considered a modest example of christian living?
Homeless people have pets?
@@breakingboardrooms1778 - yes. Some definitely do. I see them in my neighborhood…. As I am sure the homeless in your Oikos do too. But often times UPCIers are so preoccupied with their internal affairs they never see the world outside their four walls. They fail to recognize their calling to be a healing presence and encounter Christ everywhere they go. Observe the people in your Oikos - and see how to be a ministry of helps and fulfill Christ-God’s commandment to love one another.
Yes! But many people only think of it only for clothes, but it’s much more deeper than just clothing.
The one area that we aren’t entirely Apostolic is in the book of Acts where it says that they sold all their possessions. We love our American lifestyles too much to consider sacrificing some stuff for the kingdom.
Where does Paul use a phrase when it comes to gold/pearls that indicates that he’s referring to other forms of jewelry as well?
It doesn’t
It doesnt
The key is MODESTY AND PROPRIETY. Is what I have on appropriate? What is is my intention? Did I go above my means to obtain it? Can people see God in me or just how I look? Am I clothed in and with GOOD WORKS?
The main point and bottom line is, don't give the enemy something to snare you with or allows spiritual pride and legalistic mindset to snare you or defile you.
It could be something simple as footwear or clothing or makeup or hair. Keep it simple and stay submitted to God. Don't be contentious or argumentative.
The glory for Jesus IPUC COLOMBIA
I think wedding rings and watches should be the exception: these days men like their "bling" which is not only gaudy but obnoxious! There is too much temptation to flaunt wealth these days and this is a very good, balanced teaching on the subject. As far as clothes are concerned: "Raise your hands, and touch your toes, if anything shows go change your clothes"
Might I ask why should wedding rings and watches be the exception? Do any of the New Testament authors make wedding rings/watches an exception? If not, on what scriptural basis are these exceptions?
I don’t think it matters at all. What’s the difference with buying nice clothes rather they were expensive or not - buying them to wear to look nice, not to look nice for attention or lust- but be well dressed and ready for the day, and someone wearing earrings or a necklace as a part of their outfit? It’s all articles of clothing to look nice. It’s the internet we hold behind it that matters. Also, jewelry is cheap lol. You don’t have to wear expensive jewelry. However, you don’t have to wear flash dresses and shoes, and makeup styles. You don’t have to wear flashy suits and shirts, you don’t have to wear a lot of jewelry either.
It’s all the same and basically serves the same purpose.
I am a Pentecostal Apostolic from Toronto, Ontario, Canada and in our Jamaican cultural church’s over here, the woman and men are taught to dress modestly (I am however seeing some things creeping in, like those long polished nails) I personally do not believe in wearing what one pastor has called, the *“trinkets of Egypt.”* If I continue to do what I did prior to becoming a Christian what was I saved from?! I endeavour to live a life separated from the world and this means I have to by the Holy Spirit guard my ear gate and eye gate. I do not listen to any secular music or gospel music that sounds like secular music and I do not have a TV (although the Internet can be worse) I am not condemning anyone who does this, but I wouldn’t want a spouse who is ok with the wearing of Jewelry for the Saints or pants for women. I do not currently have a problem with Sisters wearing pants in the gym only or pj’s at home or during hospital admissions. This however, is submitted before the Lord, and if He says to me no pants period, then it’s no pants, period. I submit to Him.
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Excellent teaching Bro. Bernard, thank you for all of your teaching.
Im enjoying to hear this awesome message. Thank you bro Bernard, God bless you always
Brother Bernard is one of the best of explaining things in the Bible I have ever heard. God bless him.
Yes Brother Bernard! everything in moderation and we should not judge one another. Living by the Word of God and Working out our own salvation with fear and trembling is the best way to live. Also to keep in mind that there is a world of lost souls that need we need to snatch from the fire will keep it all into perspective!
Great "lessons" and principles brought out, Bro. Bernard.
So who or what sets the standard on "costly clothes?" The writer is setting a PRINCIPLE of not putting so much emphasis on these things, he didn't say dont wear it. The women with more money at that time did to show their status!
Muslim women are very modest in their apparel, and some to the degree where they wear a Hijab, to cover part of their face. They show kindness and courtesy in public.
Apostolic women want to display modesty as well. And many are kind and courteous in public and church. But we can't always judge a character just by the way one dresses. Anyone can look good on the outside, but the inside of the cup has to be clean also. It's easier to dress and look holy than to actually repent of our double-mindedness. I think some apostolics believe their dress code is a sacrifice unto God and so they get away with dealing with matters of the fruit of the Spirit. The world today needs to see the fruit. When' Rome is burning', they won't care about how short the skirt length is, everyone will show the true fruit by displaying God's love.
A religious dress code (standard) of the UPCI is essential to live out the teaching of the apostles. So what comes first, a clean heart, then the modesty in apparel, or the modesty in apparel first, then the clean heart? Sometimes the UPCI rules feels like the cart before the horse.
Pitch from the inside first then pitch the outside amen
A hijab is a head covering that also covers the chest. If the face is being covered with the eye uncovered - it is a niqab. Christian women are required to ALSO wear head coverings while inside the temple (in your vernacular - church building). Just as the man is be uncovered while entering into a holy place - the woman is to be covered. Both are expected to be modest. The veiling of Christian women is expected most parishes, but not always enforced in the strictest sense. I can only think of 3 or 4 women in my parish who do not cover. They are not marginalized in the slightest….
It is fascinating to see the Christian world outside the context of an American context….
A standard is not required to live the apostles faith. Work our your own salvation with fear and trembling. I've seen modest women wearing slacks and women oozing overt sexuality wearing a UPC approved skirt.
Can’t judge a book by its cover...just dialoguing
No, women are not required to cover their head. The hair is given as a covering. Please read the bible and everything within it's context.
When you adore yourself to be seen of men, you’re drawing attention and pointing others to yourself. Instead the follower of Christ must point others to the Lord Jesus Christ.
The teaching in this passage is MODERATION and RIGHT PRIORITIES, not a prohibition against jewelry. Further, even the word for modesty here does not primarily refer to showing skin, but rather moderation in terms of not being excessively over the top and ostentatious.
The focus on outward beauty should not be prioritized over inward beauty. THAT IS THE POINT. Let’s stop making laws where there aren’t any, and putting up additional barriers to the spread of the gospel.
Nope.
@@geraldritchey4822 Great thoughtful response. You must have been at the top of your debate class.
Is really simple. Outward beauty will reflect what’s inside. Inward Holiness will reflect outward.
Can’t judge a book by its cover...just dialoguing
excellent video and great teaching, but "my wife and I live in a very nice car" is one of the funniest things I've ever heard from a minister. #homelessforJesus
Seria bueno traducirlo para la comunidad en español...
Vamos hagan algo Gracias
Until that happens...Have you tried Spanish subtitles? That might help for now
What about the rest of 1 Timothy chapter 2? I’ve noticed the UPCI tends to not teach that but has no problem teaching the first half as holiness.
Growing up in The United Pentecostal Church, we were NEVER "United" because of teachings like this aka standards. Churches look down at other churches. People in the same church look down at each other. And this is all done inside the UPC organization.
The best of men, are men at best. We should all look to Jesus for perfection and give grace one to another.
I have heard your comments from other backsliders, I've learned that it's just another excuse for backsliders
But that's one thing the learder in our church is misleading others on the standard. The standard is there in the bible for everyone not the church. With me I totally agree with you, because I also brought in the same church but there was one thing we need to relalize is that we are all preacher. The way we live should be preaching the word of God because that will convict the person that see the way we live rather then comparing standard. Thank you, may our Lord Jesus help us.
Now you look down on them. So who is worse you or them.???🤔🤔🤔
The UPCI is not a cult. Each church/pastor will operate their church how he sees fit.
Humans are sinful no matter the organization. We are all sinners trying to be more like Jesus.
King Jesus is Royal Priesthood ❤So I presume that calls for a Royal Crown encrusted jewels...Also The Throne is describe as emeralds diamonds Streets of Gold /How about them Pearly Gates...OT Priest wore a jewel stones vest...Prodigal Son was given a ring...just dialoguing
You are right !!
I find it sad that this subject is given attention in these times we live in. Women I know are concerned about the rising price of food, heat, rent, cost of living. There may be a segment of the apostolics that like to wear expensive jewelry, but focusing on their behavior is not helping those women who can't even afford the essentials of daily living, let alone jewelry.
If the preachers feel a need to remind women to be modest in apparel in today's economy, they may be a bit tone-deaf about what's going on out there. Women aren't concerned about what or what not to wear, but more about if they can even afford clothing. I know of many apostolic women who can only shop at second-hand stores for their families and themselves. Forget jewelry. It may be fine and prosperous where these pastors live, but I'm certain if these pastors were aware of the less affluent apostolics, living paycheck to paycheck, they might speak a word of encouragement instead.
This entire channel is dedicated to “living out the teaching of the apostles in the 21st century” if you want encouragement get that from friends, family, your church family etc. this channel is not dedicated to the rising prices in the economy.
I hear you, but this is the topic at hand. Everything is to be done is decency and order. There is a time for everything under the sun. The time / subject on this podcast is this topic When it will be time , he will deal with that subject . Until then. be encouraged. God has not forgotten you.
@@rgordon9854 You are right, this is the topic at hand. Thank you for being kind in your response. Yours is a demonstration of good fruit in the inner heart.
@@apostolic.2023 I say this respectfully, your comment was ungodly and you should apologise to the person you sent it to. She might not have family, a church home or friends. Dont let your love grow cold bro/sis ❤
l holiness is not defined in the Bible as abstaining from wearing jewelry
God put jewelry on a woman in the Old Testament
dkb is only cowering to the pressures of the group
Wearing jewelry has nothing to do with being saved
Moderation is key
That's a metaphorical chapter
Very good word, brother. Thank you and God bless you
“Hey. Look at me - I’m gaudy…” that was funny. But, on a serious note - it seems to me the the good Dr Bernard is saying - what he isn’t saying… It seems to me the scriptures do not expressly state all that the point papers of the UPCI organization state…. He speaks of pastors exercising ‘liberty’… in their teaching… about principles … but although he speaks of believers exercising that same liberty to either comply or not to comply … we know culturally, many UPCIers tend to be quick to label folks as ‘walking in the spirit of rebellion’… surely not you… but your neighbor.
What is the message of 1 Tim 2? Is it that women’s sole function is to birth babies so that they may perfect godliness? Be quiet. Be submissive and learn in silence. Birth babies. Nah, I don’t think that’s the essence of this passage.
But the man and the woman are to ‘continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.’ Why? That every aspect of their life is oriented properly… ‘Faithful lives fitting for Prayer’ - that God’s salvific work affect every dimension/arenas/roles that makes us fully human isn’t hindered.
The UPCI shares a heritage with the Wesleyans … Dr Bernard mentions this correctly. The Revivalist period of American Christianity was largely shaped by the Methodists - which gave way to the Holiness Movement - which led into the Azusa Street Revival - which led to the Brush Arbor Movement - which led to the ‘issue’ that would split the largest American group when certain preachers were defrocked.
Holy is other. God is holy - meaning God is entirely ‘other’ and has called us to ‘otherness’.
If God has truly moved on your heart that in your ‘liberty’ to not wear jewelry… then do so cheerfully and joyfully. But, you cannot judge your brother or sister for exercising that same liberty in deciding that it isn’t ‘thing’ that would affect God’s redemptive work in their life?
You cannot teach a universal standard when the Scriptures are open ended, loosey-goosey. What does a ‘faithful life fitting for prayer look like?’
This is spot on.
There is also scripture in Peter stating to not focus on the outside appearance but to focus on the inside.
People use this a lot to back up “you can’t wear jewelry” Bible no where specifically says that.
It’s all apart of being modest and holy. I would see some women who wear earrings and a necklaces . Obviously, not super flashy jewelry. There is a big difference in types of jewelry too.
But these women are so kind and loving to everyone and you know where they stand with God because they praise Him! Some of those women were kind.. some of them were not .
Then I’ve seen apostolic women who attended services who although didn’t wear earring or necklaces, or makeup (that we could see or just not a lot of)were still wearing very flashy outfits and sparkly clothing. Some of these women were also kind and loving! Some of these women were not..
People have got to STOP focusing on how someone is dressed or what they are wearing!! I’m not saying not to be modest and cover up but I am saying that modesty is much more that clothing and jewelry. There is also the intent of what is being warn.
If a woman buys beautiful dress and she likes it because she feels lovely in it and it flattering in a modest way why it buy it and wear it? What is the difference with wearing a dress you find beautiful and want to look nice in and wearing a pair of earring you also like and want to look nice in?
Nothing at all lol! It’s all the same! God is looking at our hearts!
We do it to keep ourselves from temptation to sin also.. But which scripture do you speak of.. Please quote it
Didn’t Jesus describe putting a nose ring, earrings, bracelets, and crown on his bride? Don’t tell me it’s just symbolic- even if it is, would Jesus use evil symbolism to describe His bride? Nah. What did Rebecca have given to her the moment she was going to marry Jacob.. a nose ring, and bracelets. The UPCI makes me sick. Stop! Your authority starts and stops with the word. Take all the liberty you need for yourself, but stop telling others things are sin, and heaven and bell when they aren’t. The key is moderation and biblical teaching of history
We do wear jewelry. However, as scripture says in Philippians 4:5 we wear it in moderation. Jewelry doesn't matter to God one way or another. Man looks on the outward appearance but God judges the heart. There are disobedient Christians who do and do not wear Jewelry. There obedient Christians who wear jewelry and those who don't wear jewelry.
Agree completely. To make this a complete law/prohibition is not biblical. Nowhere does scripture tell us to abstain from jewelry.
There is no scripture that says God does not look on the outward appearance.
@@geraldritchey4822 1.) I didn't make that claim.
2.) Making an argument from silence?
3.) Actually 1 Samuel 16:7 does say that, though I am not applying that directly to the present subject
@@mikef6063 Well this is one debate I won without needing debate class. I Samuel 16:7 absolutely does NOT say God doesn't look on the outward appearance.
@@mikef6063 So do you drink in moderation, also?
Gbu Dr
Amen, thank you Br. Bernard! Great examples ❤
Now if you could get your sirens to
Sit down and submit to the word of truth...1 Corinthians 14:34..!
The thing is if we are to obey 1 Timothy chapter 2, verse 9, and obey it as it is written, should we not obey the next verses of 11 to 14. "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."
And here we have the apostles' doctrine written very plainly and simple. Is the licensing of women pastors apostolic? Or does the UPCI pick and choose verses that fits their personal agenda?
And yet on the other hand Scripture read. “there’s neither male nor female in the Spirit”...Go figure
@@maryhelencampos9964is that referring to God viewing men and women the same as far as value, equality in Christ, and salvation, or is this scripture saying there are no differences in men and women, therefore no different roles at all?
To follow your argument to its logical conclusion, there would not need to be any distinction in hair, dress, role in the home, etc. Is that what you believe?
@@joehostetler9707 I am just trying to be the go between/referee/ an open mind … Scripturally there are ministry positions that only man can fill… just dialoguing
Wait.. we can’t look to the Old Testament to reference positive verses about jewelry but we can use the OT for Deut. 22:5? 🤔 The inconsistencies abound!
The word is MODESTY.
Some say Jesus was dead on Wed & Rose on Sarurday/Sabbath, 3 days
Why don't the women cover their head as the Bible teaches ?
May the Lord richly bless you.
It's a yellow light that says something deeper is not in plain sight . Like a married women's boyfriend.
Well I'm wearing pants jeans and jewelry if I wish it's not costly things I buy 🙄
Harlots dress in many different outfits & ways, Spiritual Harlots are the same.
Oddly enough so do spiritual usurpers who wrongly sit in the judgment seat of Christ. They dress in suits and ties and shake TTOPs - Terrible Towels Of Pentecost - quite enthusiastically .
I agree with Bro Bernards comments. Howevee, i dont think apostolics should say they we, they, dont belive in wearing jewerly.....while some men or wearing expensive watches and se woman wre wearimg diamond wedding rings. As Bro Bernard states...those are jewelry. So, in my ipinion, being raised on a pentecostal pew and family, this is abother sitution that creates problems. What cant peope say ehat they mean???? Peope are damaged by statements aboiut jewerly being a sin when its not explained as Bro Bernard did here.
Thanks Bro Bernard.
PreachersNSneakers ...Ha Ha!
I had never heard of that before.
Very funny! But sad too.
So it said not with braids, or gold, or pearls. The organization says no jewelry, according to that scripture, but braids are okay?
Quick question. When you were speaking about what the early first centry people that braided their hair and had a string of pearls in hair, are you saying that is what the church done back then or that is what the church did back then? We can't ever say if the world does it then it must be ok for the church to do it. You must do better in explaining.
Your rich we know but how did it get to that. Started out well and it was a little contradictory at the end.
What about a wedding ring
Go ahead and wear one if you are married lol
A wedding ring should be worn
If wedding rings are paganistic then it’s time to pull out the horse buggy cause cars are worldly😂Better still ...Go Amish.
@@maryhelencampos9964 NOT !! (sorry it was there lol)
Says "gold or pearls or COSTLY ATTIRE". So what about silver? or fake jewelry? Seems Paul is simply saying don't look like you belong to the world. We see on TV these so-called preachers wearing fancy clothes and expensive jewelry and at the same time asking for money. They have big homes, fancy cars and so on, they are seeking the things of this world. But is a woman who dresses sensibly, wear costume jewelry, is this who Paul is talking to? Nope
If someone comes to Christ with Tattoos and can't remove them, how can they meet moderation protocol.?
why new king James ? There are many changes to it?
You do realize you need to look at the customs of what was going on at the time Paul wrote this. The point is dress morally and be balanced!!
The Holy Spirit is really good at convicting each one of us.
Tons of apostolic Pentecostals wear jewelry, myself included. This title should read: “why does the UPCI prohibit jewelry?” As much as I love Dr Bernard, he nor the UPCI can speak for oneness Pentecostals as a group.
Forget about organizations for a while and listen to what Brother Bernard is actually daying. The Bible is clear that this is NOT okay. Jewelry is often used as a symptom of the rebellion of the people. Makeup and jewelry are BOTH pure vanity, basically saying that God didn't make you attractive enough on your own and you need other things to "improve" on His design. God bless you and help you see this truth.
I agree. I think UPCIs standards often get plastered on all apostolics.
He's speaking THE BIBLE TRUTH!!!! REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU OR ANYONE ELSE SAYS!!!
@@josephmushatt4199 Your getting very emotional. And you did not interact with my statement.
Jesus calls this way “the narrow way.” “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.” Matthew 7:13-14.
Now let's see the UPC abide by this.
Exactly.
Too many pastors that won't preach this in their pulpits. God help us
"We live in a very nice car"😂 I realize he didn't mean to say it, but it cracked me up considering the topic of living a moderate lifestyle...if he had meant to say that, I guess most American Christians might have to rethink their lifestyles😉
Women don't wear jewlwery, but they wear ribbons in their hair, so what's the difference.?
Some things can be a snare for spiritual pride or legality, whether it's jewelry or none. It can be footwear or clothing or how they wear hair or makeup or not.
If you walk in the SPIRIT you don’t have to worry about any of this. You will follow HIS leading. And believe me HE will lead you if you will just follow HIM!!!!
Read the scripture again it’s pretty straightforward.
@@dianacastillo498 - what does walking in the Spirit even look like? What happens when I see it differently than you do- does that mean I’m greater or lesser than you?
@@revamp6612 - considering the Reformation has yielded some crazy number of sects - like 24K groups of folks all reading and studying the same Scriptures … and even in your local church setting - there is variances and difference in understanding… I think it is safe to assert - understanding the Scriptures isn’t as straightforward as you suggest.
Many Apostolic Pentecostals do indeed wear jewelry. Perhaps because of their differing understanding of the context behind the source text. To blanket the general Apostolic movement with such a title as found heading this video is most dishonest.
People having differing viewpoints does not make Dr. Bernard dishonest. The beliefs of the upci organization are on the upci website, so, yes, it is a viewpoint of the upci apostolic pentecostal church as a whole. Every person is at a different point in their walk with God, and some play to the technicalities, i.e broaches aren't a necklace sort of thinking. This fact doesn't make him stating the public viewpoint of the organization a falsity.
@@pbluvstoast140369 one i made no mention of Dr. Bernard being dishonest and two the video title does not specify upci Apostolics only as you have so mistakingly suggested. The upci does NOT reflect the position of the entire Apostolic movement. In fact the upci represents approximately only 5% to 10% of the broader Apostolic movement in the whole. Additionally, some in the upci do differ in opinion on this subject. The other 90% to 95% of the Apostolic movement worldwide likewise have varying positions on this subject as well. For example, if one were to visit a church in the paw it would likely be found that many ladies wear jewelry. Now one may argue this is allowed in disobedience to scripture but another may argue that context of the source text does not restrict jewelry in instances outside of attempting to sway sexual attraction, as Dr. Bernard points out in the video, which would make motive of the individual prime in judging these scenarios. Ergo, having established these things, to name the video blanketing the entirety of the Apostolic movement insinuating that all Apostolics don't wear jewelry is utterly and blatantly false. I hope you would at least agree to that.
@@TheSoulWinnersGuideGreetings Sir or Mam my apologies in advance with respect your comment. Is Dr. Bernard interpreting The Scripture of the Epistles misappropriate form. Why? Because it's important to read the position paper although it is UPCI to provide a scriptural Spirit lead difference of interpretation, respectfully I have not heard you provided. By reading your response the actions gives the reader the interpretation you felt dishonestly addressed in the responding in offense to your original point. I did myself come out of an Oneness Apostolic Organization that do allow in some demographics woman to wear jewelry and men. But according to Scripture does not align with Born again believers walk with God post Conversion to truth. Am I mistaken by what you first stated. Again this not an attack my bro or sis. Be blessed. P.S in alot of our Predominantly African American Apostolic Oneness movements they have changed overtime their position
Always some who grumble and complain. Just cannot Except authority
@@pbluvstoast140369 perhaps a better title for the video would have been "why do some Apostolics not wear jewelry?" Or maybe "why do most upci Apostolics not wear jewelry?", or something of that nature.
wedding ring is jewelry
If you can wear modest clothes, why not modest jewelry?
There is no group of people who draw more attention to themselves than those who attend an Apostolic Church. Everyone knows who they are!
I have many family members that considered themselves so godly because the women only wore skirts or dresses, yet got pregnant outside of wedlock. It's not the outside that matters. God looks at the heart.
God looks at both, the inside, and the outside. The apostle Paul told the Corinthians, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit perfecting holiness in the fear of God. The flesh here is referring to the outside, and the term spirit here, is referring to the inside. if you don’t think God is concerned at all about the outside, then it would not bother you for a Christian to tattoo his entire face? To put jewelry in his ears on his nose, and on his lips, you don’t think that would offend the Lord? And the term that God does not look at the outside but the inside, that is in reference to God, speaking to Samuel the prophet, when God was choosing a new king for Israel. it had nothing to do with holiness, but had something to do with the heart of the young shepherd David that God was admired with, and wanted him to be the next king of Israel. God sees the inside, yes, but he’s concerned how the outside looks on believers. You can’t say that God would be pleased for a woman to get a mohawk haircut, tattoos on the sides of her head that is bald, jewels on her eyelids, nose and lips, and then say God’s not concerned about that he only looks at the heart? There’s enough common sense and scripture evidence and God’s concerned about the condition of your heart and spirit and also how you look on the outside.
Does not mean they were wrong about the way they dress. It's awful they fell into sin but we can fall. We don't judge them. We have to give up some things on earth. Jesus gave his life we can give up some things for him. It's not always easy but it is certain his word tells us how women should dress. God separated how women and men dressed in his word.
If jewelry has no meaning such as a wedding ban, then it is ornamental. Too much attention given to the jewelry and not God is not good😔.
A watch is considered jewelry tho and I see many pastors wit that lol
Some people need to go back to one of the first statements Sr. Bernard makes. The heart and salvation is far more important than standards. The Bible says to come as you are. Who are you to judge? This is a problem a lot of our churches face is the judgmental attitudes. Let Jesus work and deal with people on their appearance and you just pray for them!!!
its called religousness
Why do you need know that? The issue is the topic ...and for the record I am not afraid to tell you just dont think its relevant
1st Timothy 2:9 you totally twisted that scripture it's talking about women not Christians..read it again
He said pearls or gold in the HAIR!!!!!!!!!! 😡😡😡😡
I have Omega Seamaster but dont have a car...dont have a house but my shirt is Berberry
Genesis 35:1-5
I agree but Bishop... many people backslid first because they didn't maintain outward Holiness...
Our dress reveals our heart. It's called a "fashion statement" because it expresses what we really believe...
Holiness of dress is more important than people believe it is...
Dress is spiritual, that's why how the people dressed were important... and even anointing followed mantles and clothes...
I firmly believe how we dress reveals what's really in our hearts... and it IS Heaven or Hell...
God even clothed Adam and Eve in the transgression... why?... because it's REALLY important.
Now, as far as cars and houses...
I believe it's ok to be blessed, but I believe we shouldn't be so quick to take something "extravagant" just because it's offered. I personally believe that the LORD tests us with those interactions.
...many people start getting stuff "given" to them and Satan accomplishes the same goal of Covetousness...
Then we get the Trinitarian "Wealth Transfer" message in the Church... (It's already here now.)
I think people make excuses to justify their hunger for prosperity... and I firmly believe it's a test from God.
We shouldn't even WANT those things, nor want to be seen with them.
Your comment contradicts itself. You say many people backslide because they didn't maintain outward Holiness and then correctly stated our dress reveals our heart. They did not backslide because they didn't maintain standards they backslide because they had a heart issue they didn't take care of
@@reachfortruth1976 I wasn't contradicting... I was saying the dress was the EXPRESSION of the heart.
So yes, they backslid because of a heart issue; and dress revealed what their problem was.
There was no contradicting my friend.
@@reachfortruth1976 - that, or they grew weary from well doing - from the undue pressure to conform and perform to the will of man beneath the guise of the ‘church’. God is not in a culture that is exalted above His name. The Bible doesn’t even tell us what holiness actually is… but it does exist. God may very well require of you - something he does not require of me. It is your responsibility to maintain your calling as you were called… just as it my responsibility to maintain mine as I am called.
Believe. Belong. Become. We are all called to be more… Believe more… Belong more… Become more… This is precisely what 1 Tim 2 is teaching us: Faithful lives fitting for prayer.
What does conversion even look like? In the American Revivalist period - where life in Christ was reduced down to ‘fire insurance’ with the Jesus Saves movement and its variants - all tried to create a repeatable process… and as UPCIers - have a form of this godliness - slightly modified.
You don’t know your own heart. How can you know the heart of another? You cannot see grace - but that manifold grace is already present in the lives of every person you and I encounter. You cannot see the Holy Spirt, the Lord and Giver of Life.. but, He is already present - everywhere present and fills all things. Christ-God assumed our humanity without corruption, that we may put on divinity. If there be any separation between man and God - it is by man’s doing, not God’s doing.
We are called to provoke one another to good works… but we are never to harm one another… because God’s salvific work is performed in Community - in us, through us, above us, below us, beside us. I
It’s easy to place the blame on the ‘backslider’ - but having seen how many Oneness Pentecostals behave… they eat their own more than the evangelicals do. People make mistakes - but, that manifold grace of God just sustains us as we … reorient ourselves through our good deeds… continuing in faith, love, and ‘otherness’ - coupled with self-control.
When is the law of Christ demonstrated?
If you truly believe as you are saying you believe - and are not disguising envy with a spiritual cloak of false piety - then live your truth out in peace and repentance. Are we sure it was those evil trinitarians who created the ‘wealth transfer’ you speak of? Outside of your limited context of what is / and is not / Christian - the Church has long recognized that ‘matter matters’. So, Christians outside of your context - still believe that God is able to permit his divine energies flow in the material world. If God can flow through an article of clothing - he can certainly flow through our homes and even our cars.
Live out your personal convictions and love one another, even those trinitarians.
@@moghraops Go to the Bible; and read 1 Timothy 2. Then go read 1 Peter 3... THEN go read 2nd Peter 2...
...and after that's over.
Go read 1 Timothy 4, and 2nd Timothy 4...
Then go make a small trip to Matthew 6, Colossians 3, and Jude 1:1-4...
MANY people aren't going to Heaven...
Trinitarian Doctrines were created from the Catholic Church which was nothing but Babylon reemerged because many pagan religions had a "Trinity". Buddhism, Hinduism, Egypt, Babylon...
Yep. They were raised up to bring false doctrine into the Church...
So, like I said... many aren't going to Heaven.
Many do wear Jewelry, as well as our Jewish forebear's.
Please study for yourself. If God had a probably with jewels, God wouldn’t have it in Heaven !! There NO SIN OR WICKNESS in Heaven .
There are a lot scriptures that
9“ ‘I bathed you with water and washed the blood from you and put ointments on you. 10I clothed you with an embroidered dress and put sandals of fine leather on you. I dressed you in fine linen and covered you with costly garments. 11I adorned you with jewelry: I put bracelets on your arms and a necklace around your neck, 12and I put a ring on your nose, earrings on your ears and a beautiful crown on your head. 13So you were adorned with gold and silver; your clothes were of fine linen and costly fabric and embroidered cloth. Your food was honey, olive oil and the finest flour. You became very beautiful and rose to be a queen. 14And your fame spread among the nations on account of your beauty, because the splendor I had given you made your beauty perfect, declares the Sovereign Lord.
The standards are from man.
Be holy because I’m holy ( in your fruits and action )
Use scripture not your feelings.
Why are you promoting ,the mark of the beast?
Explain.
How so?
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@revandysmith,the c.19 vax he earlier said it is ok to take it ,but its the motb!
@wjd ,the c.19 vax
Jesus told the youg man sell all that you have abd come follow me I always see these luke watm Christains that say its not a big deal or its bot a salvation issue are you God your gunna judge yourself whatever God wants we should do not hudgr according to ourselves we dont understand his thoughts so just do what he says all these halfway in but go to church every Sunday Christians that believe that was back then or hear a verse about this make excuses and say its bot a big deal let God deal with you dont argue with me argue with the verses