HAMSKEA OR QAD | ARROW RESTS | WILDE ARROW ARCHERY | 🎙️ GRITTY EP. 711
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- Опубліковано 26 жов 2024
- On this podcast we discuss what the best arrow rest is. Yes, we know there are many great arrow rests out there. Cody and the guys from Wilde Arrow Archery discuss what makes certain arrow rests the best.
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This is the best discussion comparing the 2 leading rests. The reality is that most heavy hunting arrows are launched at 280 - 300 FPS, which means the arrow will clear the rest in about .005 seconds = 5 milliseconds. I challenge anyone to show how they can feel the difference that 1 - 2 milliseconds of contact time makes. As a hunter, I like the QAD capture system and smaller profile
Had my QAD start having problems with hanging up intermittently (only discovered this by finally shooting a fletchless arrow). Solved the problem by tying the release chord against the serving on my down cable (can't move past the serving) and haven't had an issue in 5 years with the same release.
I would say 99% of people with qad issues have them set up incorrectly. I shoot a lot I feel and never had one fail. Had them for years. I'm sure hamskea is good too but the qad is lighter.
I'd take dependability over weight any day.
Qad has been dependable and has had 1000s of arrows through it. In my experience and on my bows.
Yeah, I've only ever had problems with QAD when I did something wrong or it was a ten year old rest (yeah the old old o.g. model of the ultrarest) that was ready to retire and stopped dropping reliably. Otherwise they've been great for me. I did just try my first hamskea this week... learning how to set it up today.
My sons and I had two QADs fail and they were set up correctly. They are notorious for failing in cold, snow, ice, etc but our Hamskeas keep rolling along. No question which is the better built rest. Cable driven rests are finicky anyway.
my qad sucks in the cold
I did use the QAD but the more I hunted in harsh climate especially cold weather the QAD made noise and didnt function properly
Great video BTW, Drag is always a HUGE factor. Some may say that it’s dealing with milliseconds but drag is drag and drag slows down your arrow. This is why whisker biscuits are useless for accuracy and speed, too much drag. I have been shooting, building and tuning compound bows since 16 years of age and I am now 48 and still shooting compound bows. I currently own 5 bows and every single bow has a QAD drop away rest. I have smoked tons of deer and bear and those successes speak for themselves.
Whisker biscuits useless? I saw a test where the fall away guys actually shot slightly better with whiskers - while whisker guys had slightly better groups with fall away rests. The difference was too small to matter. Speed drops 3-5 fps with a whisker - many tests.
I’ve shot both, made switch to Hamskea because of durability. I shoot all the time and over time the QAD just wore out. I haven’t worn out the Hamskea and have shot at least triple the arrows through.
Truthfully it’s up to the shooter and what they want.
Yep I wore out my old qad after 10 years of use it still works but it's best up bought a hamskea trinity to replace it with
QAD for me. Been using the same one on my hunting setup for 4-5 years without one issue. Every winter after I’m done with serious bow hunting I open it up and clean it well. No oil or lube applied. Literally thousands of shots through it. 👍👍
I don't clean my hamskea trinity and they keep on working year after year.
I've used both the Hamskea and the QAD arrow rests and think each have their good and bad points, like most things! I also used the AAE Pro Drop NockOn rest and, like you, the only issue I had was the launcher wearing a groove in it. I asked the Ranch Fairy if he tested the Valkyrie broadheads and he hadn't. I have read the Ashby Reports and find what Troy is doing intriguing. However, with my age I am only shooting 60 pounds and have a 27 inch draw. This limits how heavy of an arrow I can build and still shoot decent yardages for out west hunting. I am shooting an X-Impact arrow with the Snyder Core Iron will system or the Valkyrie system. Both have been very effective for me. Thanks for all the great info!
You won't get hate.. he is 'blue'.. i've had both QAD integrate and now the hamskea epsilon. They're both awesome rests. you can actually mess with the tension on the hamskea to modify the arrow support time as well so.. yeah it's interesting but I now run the epsilon due the adjustability of that. Also the hamskea COR makes it as slim and light at the 'integrate' QAD
My initial reaction to limb driven rests was "but isn't the string going to always be under tension? Isn't that a problem?" However, the more I thought about it, because the default position of the limb driven is fully up, the chances of inconsistencies at arrow launch are almost eliminated. If your cable driven line has any issues, then it may not get the rest to the fully up position causing inaccuracy issues before you even release the arrow. I think if I am going to have line issues, I'd rather the issue be that the rest doesn't fully fall out of the way, rather than it not reach fully upright.
Man I Love this channel. Great substance, educational and hunting entertainment.
What about attaching hamskea to yoke instead of limb... best of both worlds?
The intergraded rest has metal arrow holder
I’ve just had my 3rd Qad rest fail in about 6 years, getting a Hamskea Trinity tomorrow 🏹
starts at 10:14
The host is super annoying lol like shut up and let the tech speak.
on top of that, the cameraman needs to chill out. zooming in and out over and over with no rhyme or reason was so unecessary 😂
I will buy hamskea rest. The trinity pro or the epsilon as long as I hunt with a bow.
If QAD didn’t have the patent on the the riser cutout on Mathews and other bows, they wouldn’t get near the sales, because if you want to integrate your rest to the riser you have to use QAD and they refuse to let hamskea use they’re patented design but will sell it to other rest manufacturers. Even QAD high ups know that that’s the only thing they have on hamskea.
Tried both...still rocking the WB lol.
Look at Michael Braden PSE shooter video in a Hooter shooter with the hamskea showing the effect of just the spring tension alone and it's it's it's different man it's different for sure it definitely hits different I choose hamskea all day long it is built like a tank
I haven’t had any issues with my QAD . Like the way it holds my arrow while I am sitting in a blind.
I shoot both QAD and Hamskea Epsilon. Both have pros and cons but both are exceptional quality. Comes down to personal preference like everything I suppose. Had an issue for a long time with arrow causing noise when drawing. Drive me nuts. Turns out knock point was pushing arrow up and forcing down on rest. Fixed! Set up incorrectly. Love the Hamskea also though.
Been shooting the same QAD since 2014 and it's never had a single issue
Something people don’t talk about is. When I’m hunting and sneaking on an animal. I want to think about my equipment as little as possible. So having to flip the qad up is just one more step. I can just knock and arrow and go with the hamskea. Is that something?
Thank you! Really useful! I’m new to archery
Had issue with my QAD rest, breaking wanes(rest doesn’t drop properly)and local shop can’t solve it. I switched to Ham.
Now I know why
I use a hamskea rest, which they set up. It works great! Welcome to archery, I haven't stopped since I started.
One thing I found out this deer season is that I shot at a buck right under my stand and missed and went home and took some shots like I did with the buck and noticed how my arrow was dangling on my qaud rest no down pressure on the rest and missed my 3 d target at 20 feet up straight down.hat is one time I wished I had a whisker biscuit.quad is still my favorite rest the only problem with drop away rests is the problem I had shooting straight down . My arrow was actually laying on the plastic bar on top of the rest itself.
Sounds like nock pinch. Tying a nock set above and below the nock inside the dloop will prevent it from happening.
Hamskea is the way to go imo. I have the hamskea epsilon rest made for mathews on my V3X 29. And i have the hamskea primer rest on my bowtech revolt. And they work awesome .
Do you love your revolt as much as I love mine ? Honestly never shot a smoother bow.
@@michaelc1839 yes I like my REVOLT it pulls so smooth.
@@wcwcgarner2717 do you run comfort or performance? I've never taken it off comfort for my 75lb limbs.
@@michaelc1839 I just shoot it in comfort mode it's so smooth I can get alot of good clean reps in wt the REVOLT.
the gigabrain play is the octane integrate whisker biscuit
Have a September bull elk hunt coming in September I Have a biscuit on my bow it's great for hunting especially stalking I use to Have a center rest flipper style you always had to keep your finger on the arrow to keep it from falling off if there's a better option I'm interested!!
The whisker biscuits aren't terrible. They work and do a great job. Here is where you begin to have huge issues. In really dry dusty areas, dirt can build up in there and create more friction. It's manageable. Where it can really affect your hunt is when you are getting into colder weather. If it's cold and you add moisture, rain or snow, and the bristles can begin to freeze. This will highly effect how your arrows pass through the rest. Good luck to you on your elk hunt. Looking forward to hearing about your success.
Had a QAD rest and was getting poor arrow flight, I have a long draw and after having someone video me in slow motion I found that the arrow was dropping a bunch as it left. I ended up having the boys at Straight6 Archery put a Hamskea on and its shooting sweet. My experience says that gravity with heavy arrows coupled with long draw is not good combo with the QAD.
If near Tucson AZ, go to Robinson Archery! They are knowledgeable and customer service is fantastic!
Stick Sniper
I HAVE 3 QAD'S ON 3 DIFFERENT BOWS WITH THOUSANDS OF ARROWS SHOT WITH 0 PROBLEMS PERIOD!
Very innovative and tactical 👍😉 ... I hope they are made in the U.S.A. 🇺🇸
Just started back shooting bows after 27years off. First thing i did on my bow is switch the wisker biscuit for a quad hdx. I shoot 4 times a week for the past 3 months. 200 to 300 arrows a week. My quad broke.. had it changed on warranty.. not feeling assured that it will hold up... + the restetting after having it replaced..😑🤦♂️🤷♂️
I agree with what he saying about the drop away arrow rest the qad one thing I do not agree with his Factory strings every pair I am ever seen have been full of wax they stretch tremendously they even tell you they build it to where the boat comes in hot so once it stretches your about at the right poundage something that you do not want LOL you don't want stretch and with a high-quality material there will be no stretch but I love this I love hearing other people's opinion and talkin about it because it helps everybody to learn myself included I'm not saying I'm above or I'm right I may be wrong as hell but in my eyes that's what I have seen
Hamskea seems bomb proof
I rock a CBE X4 blade rest in the field, no issues.
Excellent. Seems so complicated. I’ve got lots to learn
I’ve been shooting a Trophy Taker Smackdown Pro for about 7 or 8 years. The Hamske looks like the same rest? I’m guessing they are similar in mechanics but the Hamske is built better. Am I correct?
Agreed. I’ve yet to have an issue with my TTSP, but I’d like to hear counters to that argument. I thought Cody was going to list the ones he didn’t like!
They are very similar.
I'm loving my TTSP so far on my old PSE. I love it so much that I'm putting one on my new bow.
I have both and lean towards the QAD. I hate how hard the Hamskea is to adjust.
Im confused...Should we use the code GRITTY?
hi guys o/ Bought myself a 60 lbs bow 3-4 yrs ago. used it for some months and finally have time and space to pick it up again. String never been wet/ frailed. used wax and shot indoors. is it still safe to use, or do you guys religiously change wire/string after a while? even if it's stored inside?
It is always a good idea to change it after it has been sitting for a while. It's better to pay for a new string than to have the string break and possibly break limbs or worse. We change our strings every year. We never let it go past 2 years.
I like Valkyrie one-hundred-percent I support Brent one thing I don't like is how that little bitty caller on the tip of the arrow it's supposed to hold that Broadhead in Arrow if you hit something extremely hard I have seen they will come off maybe I'm doing something wrong but it was on a 246 outside diameter so 166 inter anyway I took sandpaper smooth duct outside just so it would fit on there and then use super glue after making sure the insert was perfectly straight and I had one come off maybe it was my fault I don't know also I had one that was kind of a little wonky that I had to eat up take it apart clean it out on the stem side and put it back together but you can tell 100% that these things will shattered bone they will drive right through anything that is in front of them I have never seen something made such high quality it's like the Indians back in the day they had their certain arrowheads that they put on necklaces because they was so pretty this is the valkyrie you really don't even want to shoot it because how pretty it is just to tooling everything
When I'm hunting and it's raining my rest cord stretches a little and the arrow rest is up off the shelf a little. When it dries the cord shrinks and pulls the rest back down. Annoying. I use Smackdown pro rests and removed the containment or bought a version that does not have containment. Just hold arrow as he showed using index finger.
Hamskea never fails. I'm joking but I'm serious 😂😂 its really really good. Nxt bow I will go QAD MX2👍🏿
So very proud of you Brian look at how far you have come buddy praise God
Right on time! Thanks men
I love my HHA…why no love for them? Lol
Maybe the hamskia and the qad should video recorded with high speed cameras
Which rest would be best for my 1990 Bear whitetail 2?
Either one should still work. The QAD might be the better option because it will tie into the cable. I'm not sure how well the limb driven will work on the older style bow. 👍
Just remember shooting straight down your arrow will not be sitting on the rest it will be bobbling around on drop away rests. Just go put an arrow on your dropaway and pull your bow back and aim at something straight down you’ll see what mean.
I shoot QAD right now and I’m probably switching to a Hamskea. I had a turkey at 35 yards and shot and missed 10 yards to the right. I believe it was user error and take full credit for the bad arrow. I believe in the heat of the moment I failed to pop the rest up properly and my arrow wasn’t seated on the rest. 100% my fault, but if I can eliminate human error in the heat of the moment and give myself one less thing to think about, I’m going to take it. QAD and Hamskea both make a great rest, either way you can’t really go wrong at the end of the day.
It wasn't in the video but with a Vapor Trail there is 100% arrow capture. You shouldn't have to worry about cocking your rest properly on a hunt.
First! Awesome subject to cover!
Thanks Brian. Good to see guys talk about something they disagree on and still have respect.
Hamskea for limb driven, aae for cable driiven
When your Hanskea spring gets stretched, while hiking up the mtn. You'll second guess the limb driven rests. It can't fail when you're counting on it...
The new epsilon rest doesn't have a spring anymore
Wayne thank you for supporting the show. The new Epsilon has a rebound dampening system. It replaces the spring.
and if you already have a Hamskea rest with the spring, you can but the rebound dampener conversion kit
I'll have to take a look at the new Eplison rest.
One thing I would be absolutely sure to have with me on a trip would be a set of allens. Loosen the clamp, pull it tight, problem solved. Also I would just put a new spring on it, if it was that much of a concern, not being prepared doesn't mean something isn't a good product.
Podcast doesn’t start until nine minutes and 27 seconds. The first nine minutes or nothing but an ad and we can summarize that with use code gritty.
Hey, let's do a full 10 minutes of advertising before we even think about presenting the content that matches the title of the video.
I’ve seen on other vids that the rubber thing on the epsilon sags and can catch an arrow with the slim quiver Mathews has. Anyone ran into that problem?
Absolutely can happen if you haven’t got the tension correct and the quiver adjusted properly-it cannot happen on my setup.
Neither
Get the whisker biscuit
The answer is Vapor Trail Limb Driver.
My QAD would intermittently drop down when locked in the up position.
Getting closer too 100k 👍🏻 let’s go people
Thanx
loading a hamskea puts your broadhead too close to your cables with a qad its not . thats why they put the cutout in a wisker bisket
Archery headquarters in Chandler is awesome really great guys to deal with !!
Listen to Dudley’s ranch fairy pod
How curious to how effective a bow would really be in a zombie apocalypse... Lol seriously tho good info
GET AN UP TO DATE QAD, THEY ARE METAL! I THINK SOME PEOPLE CREATE PROBLEMS WHERE THERE ARE NONE! IF IT AIN'T BROKEN, DON'T FIX IT!
For the algorithm
Everybody allways only speaking qad and hamskea but there is mor great products, like vapor trail gen 7x.
HAMSKEa: option for fork rest, lock upwards, attach inline with all risers.
QAD : all metal parts
We have a total of 5 hunting bows in my family, we shoot at least 250 shots a week, we've been shooting for about 10 years. You do the math. All our bows have QAD rests on them with 0 issues , with thousands of shots. A friend of mine, gave me a Hamskea trinity rest as a birthday present, I gave it a try, I put it on one of my bows [mathews halon 6] the first thing I didn't like is that it is heavy, second too bulky third, the string all the way to the limb. Try that out West, crawling with your bow on a stalk. I ended taking it off my bow and putting the QAD back on. If it ain't broken ,don't fix it. If it works for you, good , just didn't for me.
Not a fan of vapor trail?
I have 7x and its good and works fine but next time i would probably buy hamskea, they are simple and robust.
“Is the normal person going to notice?” Is not a beneficial question in an interview like this
Gritty
Anyone shoot the Virtus rest, it perfect for me
Take the autofocus off and set it on manual! 😂
Bottom line you say what is the best arrow rest thank about it something that is going to support that Arrow as it leads the vote why you think people use blade rest forever and target archery because they wanted the most support for that Arrow
Myself and Many others have had Catastrophic FAILER with Hamskea the Whale tail launcher NEEDS to be 90 Deg as it Will and has Several times hold the arrow on Top of the Launcher as well as many many others!!
Shot arrows god not where. If it only happed once " in my backyard" I could give them a pass, But DOZEN & DOZENS of times!!! HAMSKEA gets a FAIL!!!!
HAMSKEA Sell us a 90 deg Launcher ????
Like my Ham wouldn’t choose anything else
Hamskea is better hands down
QAD is trash and so are the rest of the cable driven rests. Limb driven is the superior tech for durability, performance, and accuracy. Always has been. Vapor Trail and Hamskea are the two best. The Trophy Ridge Sync is a more functional rest than a QAD simply because you can cock and load it much quicker than the QAD. On a Vapor Trail or Hamskea, all you have to do is your arrow and lay it down in the housing. When you draw it goes right into place. Vapor Trail is a little better than Hamskea on that front. Lastly, I have had way more trouble fine tuning with cable rests. They don't support the arrow long enough. If you shoot bigger fixed heads, limb driven seems to be better. That extra support the arrow gets makes a difference.
It would be awesome if u guys hooked up with the ranch fairy and filmed a hunt
There's just waaay to much going on mechanically with BOTH of those rests for me. I'll just stick with my good ol Whisker biscuit
Your biscuits hair is wearing pretty fast, for me thats wayyyy too must going on ;)
As an ultra runner and avid hunter, I find the hunting supplement industry comical. Guys, if you think you need supplements to go hike 3-5 miles I don't know what to tell you. This is a money grab and if you don't see that I don't know what to tell you.
Nobody is grifting here-I find it comical that you think we believe we need supplements to go hike 3-5 miles. You clearly have no idea who we are. I’ve hiked 7-10 miles per day for three consecutive days (with a very heavy pack) with no food at all-completely fasted. The human body is capable of incredible feats of endurance. I appreciate and enjoy some supplements and I recommend a few but my recommendations are far from “comical” or a “money grab.” I have never and would never promote the idea that you “need” any supplement at all. I promote a healthy lifestyle and nutritious foods. Supplements are just icing on the cake to support an already healthy diet.
@@GrittyGearAndPodcast You're right; I don't know who you are. UA-cam algorithm put your video on a playlist and I sniffed the BS in the first 3 minutes. Who knows, I could be wrong...maybe Ignite includes proprietary ingredients passed down hundreds of years. I've always suspected the Native Americans were on the juice.
I think the limb driven are so ugly.
Really get annoying when half your podcasts are advertisements smh
Good info but camerawork was all over the place
Hamskea, all day, every day.
Skip the first 8 minutes waste of your time
🥤🥱🍿 Hamskea 🏆