@@johnyang1420 A sport has defense. You can impede your opponent. If you sit and wait like in chess or billiards it is a game. If you can impede like in tennis or football, it is a sport. All track & field are games.
Reallocating courts from tennis to pickleball really irks me, but I'm sure I would be thrilled if I was on the other side of the argument. Just hope tennis takes advantage of the growth again in the upcoming years with more kids picking up the sport during the pandemic.
After the ups man visit, we now need a trolley to take us to the tennis court clips with Coach Gu and Coach Chris. Aren't they in San Francisco anyway?
Pickleball is a fun social sport. I have played a few times and my club is looking at building some courts on property. It's a simple (other than scoring) sport with a low skill barrier for entry. Literally can hit around for 5-10 minutes and be able to hold a rally, so I get why it's growing so quickly. The only issue I have with pickleball is they typically want to take away tennis courts for pball courts. In many cities to get tennis courts built there was a lot of effort into fundraising, design reviews and city permitting to get them built and to just swoop in and take some of that away sucks. If pball went through the same effort to get their facilities built I don't think anyone would have issues at all.
I don't have a problem with pickleball. I don't play it but I'm glad that there are many people who have taken to it. Sure, as a tennis player I can see it's limitations and personally decline. What I don't like is that since pickleball has been becoming more popular, it seems like resources that would have been used for tennis are being used for pickleball instead. It all started when my prior town re lined the tennis court so that pickleball could be played on them. The pickleball players always lowered the net and never raised it back for tennis. Now, the city I live in took out 4 of the 10 tennis courts and converted them to pickleball. Great, less tennis courts. Now, the Tennis Channel is running pickleball tourneys and I'm thinking about dropping my subscription to the TC. Tennis magazine running articles for pickleball? I thought the USTA published Tennis magazine. Why in the hell are they running articles on pickleball. What is their primary purpose?
My complaint as well. One of our local set of courts has Pickleball players camping out on the courts with lawn chairs to hold the courts for the whole morning. In the past, they put down tape on our indoor courts which tennis players tripped over. The tennis players just removed the tape before playing so they moved pickleball to the basketball courts. The basketball players complained. They eventually moved them to another facility and now they are out-of-sight, out-of-mind.
POP Tennis (paddle tennis) would have been a more natural progression from tennis for tennis players looking to transition to slower lower impact game, but Pickleball took off so fast because it is just so easy to pickup, and as PB grows the $$$$ grows. Was a news item a Canadian city that saw PB players on tennis courts, but the sound the plastic ball makes on the paddle and hitting the court just carried and was so annoying, the local community complained.
I agree Robert. But USTA as a whole sucks especially for junior tennis which now that my son only plays college tennis I hv not kept up with junior tennis. I hear USTA juniors has changed due to the lack of jr interest across the country and rules playing across the country. ( UTR helped in many ways).
Agree 100%. PB is a fade so just give it time. But replacing tennis courts for pb courts is so sad. Now the older out of shape fat people can compete with the younger athletes.
I am a tennis player since 10. Also a table tennis player. Love any raquet sport including European paddle. But pickleball is phenomenal. The inclusion factor post COVID makes its momentum. Literally I love it. I was teaching my wife to learn tennis but we play pickleball since the first time competing any type of player. It does not have gender or age. It is definitely more fun if you play doubles ( same as tennis playing singles). If you go alone to a pickleball park, there is a inclusion process that you play immediately. Tell me when in your life you go to a tennis court to play singles or doubles and someone cannot go, you definitely will not play. In pickleball it does not matter if you go alone or you are 2 or 3 you definitely will play. It is super fun and since the games last around 10 min or so you keep rotating and play with other people. I normally play for 2-3 hours. My knees are happier and I can play all days. I am 51. Definitely I can’t play tennis everyday. I love tennis/pickleball/ table tennis.
Disagree on not requiring fitness. I play high level singles and having come from tennis since high school, it requires a lot of athleticism and fitness.
My town here in New Jersey is re-allocating courts. I am strongly against this. It can be difficult enough to find tennis courts and this is making courts time even more of a challenge..I don't play pickleball but enjoy Touch Tennis as a tennis alternative
Any racket sport will see high level, physically demanding play from ping pong through tennis and should be respected. That said, imposing pickleball lines and play on to tennis courts is offensive and unnecessary. It's not that difficult to set up a badminton court. Perhaps it might be an object lesson to set up a badminton court on top of pickleball lines and see how pickleball players react.
Start playing TOUCHTENNIS on the pickleball courts. It's like mini tennis with foam balls. It's huge in Europe and the Middle East. We need take back our courts!
Sadly, most pickle players I have came across do not have the court etiquettes. Clearly, those never played tennis before or they would know how some of those etiquettes. I think that paddle is for spanking those bad mannered players.
There is no place to play pickle ball here in Shanghai, but a lot of Padel courts are opening up. It seems to be about money though… Less area used, and higher rates than even indoor tennis courts! I’ll stick to tennis, thank you…
You’re right about that, but most kids in the US either can’t afford lessons to play outside of high school or they’re so good if they can, they play tournaments on the road and get burnet out and become that grumpy tennis pro at the country club lol.
Was watching some Pro Pickleball on Tennis Channel before Citi final..there is ZERO movement in pickleball..they just stand there with their toes on the no-fly-zone line and hit lightly back and forth. Table tennis has more movement and skill.
I despise pickleball and I cannot wait for such a useless fad to fade away into obscurity. Pickleball players are the worst. They take over and destroy the local tennis courts. They have no etiquette, they take without asking, and they believe that they are entitled to ruin the sport of tennis. They need their own courts. Tennis courts are not pickleball courts, and tennis courts should never, under any circumstances, be converted into pickleball courts. At a playground, tennis courts and pickleball courts should be constructed as far away from each other as possible. I believe that I have seen enough pickleball from this channel. I used to enjoy the content. Lately, not so much.
in the end: spent $1000's on tennis lessons and camps, both group and some privates for my family over 10 years... for Pickleball, spent $0.00 on lessons, got free beginner lessons just from other players you meet, and off you go...
Really pisses me off that "Tennis Channel" is showing pickleball instead of more and better tennis coverage. Hey, why not ping pong, or badminton, or racketball? How about checkers? Bowling? If pickleball is so popular, then start the pickleball channel and leave tennis alone. Losing courts to PB is bad enough. Now we have to lose TV air time to that "sport," too? Plus, is there anything more annoying than the Pock-pock-pock-pock sounds of a pickleball match? Pock!!!!
They’re going to go where the money is. Be thankful that it just a little air time right now. If PB gets it’s own (real) network, that could be the one, two punch for rec tennis.
@@douglasrasmussen480 LOL...they are pocking themselves. Anyway, I'm glad they enjoy it. Nothing wrong with it other than I don't want it eating up tennis courts from tennis players, or crowding out tennis content on tennis channel. If it's so popular, an that's ok, go get your own courts and tv channels.
It’s easy to learn and popularity will always be there. You can see that when little kids are crushing adults. We are watching the transition of pickle ball pros to hitting harder and faster with spin. Eventually the skill levels will grow and it will be an option for tennis players as they age.
I play pickle ball with my friends that don't really play other sports. It's fun and something to do socially (seen pickle ball courts set up at bars) but not something I seek out and want to learn more about and get better at like tennis. I know plenty tennis purists that hate it, my brother called it a slap dick sport lol. Luckily where I live, Austin, pickle ball has not been invasive on tennis and the resources. Tennis courts aren't being converted to pickle ball courts. If anything, I see separate resources being devoted to pickle ball and its growing popularity.
I don't like pickleball, but i love touch tennis cause it's more simillar to normal tennis. You need ideal flat ground to play pickleball, but in touch tennis you can play on any surface. And it's cheaper cause a lot of people sells kids rackets than they grow up for little money.
I play both… but I would travel & pay to see a tennis tournament, definitely not for pickleball even for free. Not against pickleball, except replacing existing tennis courts or how cocky/arrogant pickleball players are against tennis players whereas tennis still have some etiquette in the DNA & a never ending humbleness about it. e.g., I’m still getting coach about ways to improve/evolve my forehand for heaviness a decade later.
The PB community is so welcoming, which I think is part of the appeal. When PB players find out I play tennis, the vibe I get isn't great. I see PB guys like to rally-"dink" (stupid term) while tennis players just hit, and I'll slice, doesn't mean I am more successful doing that, but one guy just asked me to dink-rally more... as that was the point of the game...
Imagine the kind of debate that happened in the 1800s when lawn tennis was invented. Did people who played Royal Tennis have the same kind of scorn for lawn tennis the way tennis players today have for pickleball?
VERY interesting to this table tennis player. Sounds like Pickleball is the polar opposite to table tennis. Spin is not much of a factor (the rules seem to mandate racket surfaces that don't impart spin to the ball), so pretty much anyone can pick up a racket and start hitting the ball across the net. I found one night, to my chagrin, that the typical man/woman/kid off the street can't handle a standard table tennis racket with inverted sponge rubber on it - any small amount of spin on the ball (unavoidable) causes the ball to come off the racket in strange directions. (A shopping mall set up a table with barriers and left some bats and balls out for casual passers-by to have a go.) It takes some 15-20 minutes of coaching before said person can even return the ball across the net. People have recognized this, and have come up with variations on the sport where spin is attenuated to the point that the equipment is easier to handle - "classic hardbat", sandpaper, 42mm ball leagues (mainly in Japan and Korea, allows only pips-out rubber with thin sponge), and something very Pickeball-like called TTX (smooth plastic bats decorated with pictures) - the first three have avid followings in various parts of the world (even to point of having tournaments with significant prize money), the last has been almost universally derided these last few years despite ITTF pushing it pretty hard. At least they all share the same table (the 42mm ball variation uses a higher net).
In my area there were three main areas that had tennis courts. The closest to me were tore out a few years before the pandemic. The main ones in the middle of the city were tore out and pickle ball courts were put in. We still have 5 courts at one of the city parks that I’m praying they don’t rip out. We just joined a tennis club to be able to play in the winter.
I'm an avid tennis player but have been starting to play some pickleball this year. The learning curve for PB is not as steep as with tennis, IMO. So I feel that lends itself to having more people try and play PB. Also, my experience has been (as mentioned in the video) is that PB is more inclusive. PB players typically welcome new people and it's much more social. Tennis, where I live, is much more clique-ish. I'll go as far as saying that many people don't want others to be a part of their tennis groups because it takes away time from themselves to play. And I've witnessed on more than one occasion tennis players get into shouting matches and almost come to blows with other tennis players because of how long they've been using the public court. Locally, people complain that PB players monopolize the courts meant for tennis. But in reality, tennis cliques have been finding ways to monopolize the courts from other players as long as I can remember. In some ways the complaints I hear from tennis players about PB players is a little bit of "the pot calling the kettle black".
I’m in South Carolina and Pickleball is taking over. The main reason is that you can always find a group of 20+ people playing at anytime and they’re welcoming. You literally can’t find a pick up game of tennis. If you don’t plan a match with someone you’re not getting a game in. Unfortunately not anyone can pick up a racket and play well. Private lessons are over priced at $60 for 45 minutes. Not that ppl really need them but you can get a PB lessons for half that price.
Was at a resort last week with a tennis club, 4 hard courts, 2 clay and 1 grass... one hard court had Pickleball lines as a trial; which was so popular, they are going to build set of 4 dedicated PB courts. My comment was the PB ball sound on PB paddle is so loud, guests might be annoyed...as in some jurisdications have that issue. PB community is quite welcoming, which is what I found, and you will see people playing who otherwise would not be involved in many physical sports, so it gets people moving. The PB players vs tennis background-PB players there is a definite difference in style, where PB guys like to "dink" (weird term) rally more, while I seen tennis players just hit the sh1t out of that whiffle ball... ha ha. POP Tennis (paddle tennis) should have been bigger than Pickleball, but ability to squeeze Pickleball into school and community gyms in winter is huge advantage.
Played pickle ball twice: it's for the elderly and easily amused. Let's be real. It's like going to play snooker or darts or bowling. No athleticism required. Same goes for table tennis. Badminton is a real marathon, imo, and sometimes in singles, more excruciating than tennis. And squash, too. But pickle-ball? let's call it what it is: a pastime.
Same thing is happening in Chile, but with Padel insted of Pickleball. More and more courts are being built for Padel, even some Tennis courts are being taken down for Padel ones. However once I tried Padel myself I understood why all the fuss. Padel is really, really easy to play, and it's also very very fun. It doesn't take a lot of technique to become quite good at it, so having no background in any other sport, playing 10 times will make you good enough to have fun on the court. I have the feeling Pickleball is the same, as far I can tell (no pickleball here). To be able to enjoy playing tennis you need to develop some of the basics and that takes a looot of time, and it can be frustrating for a lot of people. I think thats the main difference between tennis and both pickleball/padel, and that might explain why those are becoming so mainstream. Now i play Padel once a week, and tennis 3 to 4 times a week. Would I ever switch to padel? No. Do I enjoy both? Yes. In fact, i think I'm better at Padel than I am at Tennis 🤣 (6 years playing tennis, and 9 month playing padel). Bottomline, I urge you to try Pickleball. Maybe you will be surprised 🙂. Cheers! PD: TL,DR
I think Pickleball is a simple sport that doesn't seem to require much technique or athletic ability to play. The balls look like wiffle balls and so you should be able to put a lot of spin on it and probably that's what makes it popular. I don't plan to ever play. I've been offered by pickleballers to play to bring over to the dark side but the thought of not running turns me off. If I really want to reduce my running, I would play doubles instead of singles. I really don't think there is an age limit in tennis, I've seen plenty of elderly players on the public courts. And they are in excellent shape. A lot of them play singles. Pickleball, however, is like playing checkers on a chess board. The boards are similar but the pieces and the movements are totally different. And the skill level and aptitudes are totally different and is so the complexity. More power to pickleballers everywhere but please stop hogging the courts when you play. You stay on court for three hours with your group cos it's not a demanding game and I've seen players of every shape and size. But you are supposed to vacate if someone is waiting for the court on the top of the hour in our area. Please honor the code of conduct.
I look forward to the day when tennis courts are full and the tennis players walk over to the pickleball courts to work on their tennis short game with tennis rackets, not piddleball sticks. Tennis is to blame for their failure in not attracting more tennis players. Pickleball players, STAY OFF THE TENNIS COURTS. It is a separate game. If you want respect from tennis players, try giving it first...do that by staying off tennis courts. Pickleball is a great game. Fun for anyone, but it's NOT Tennis. So don't treat it as something it's not. Tennis Channel is pissing off tennis players for one simple reason....$$$. They know that once older tennis players hit their max physically, they will switch to pickleball. All it takes is 1 guy or girl from the foursome who plays regular dubs to switch over. Will they do a spin off channel? Maybe. Does mini golf have it's own channel? lol. I don't think pball will have the viewing on TV that tennis has. P ball has more of a beach volleyball atmosphere imo. As an avid tennis player and coach in his 40s, I played pickle once. Didn't like the post effect it had on my tennis strokes...but thats just me so i choose not to play it. I EASILY competed with the top players at the facility and took a big red faced gulp when i told them it was my first time playing. Tennis is at a crossroads and pickle is winning. Shorter courts, more players, shorter games, cheaper equipment. See the connection? more fee$$$s for the clubs. This game is all about convenience. From a tv viewing standpoint....I think the game is VERY boring to watch...but very very easy to play....pro tennis is freaking amazing to watch... pro pickleball is not that impressive at all. If you already are decent at tennis, you can kill at table tennis, pickleball, racketball etc...but it doesn't go the other way. My three cents.
there is something called POP Tennis which I think is big in California somewhere... and it was paddle tennis, which I think should have been what Pickleball is now, but didn't take off like PB
Hi Guys thank you for great videos ! Can you do a video on eastern forehand grip and running forehands , and a last one on preparation to hit the ball ( discuss the foot and movement and adjustments) Thank you 😊 Thank you
Played pickleball a few times and it was OK, but not the same challenge and workout I get with tennis. The only things I don’t like are the sound of the balls and taking away or replacement of tennis courts for pickleball. One should not take away from the other and hopefully co-exist for those that like either or both.
Enjoy it for what it is, an opportunity to get exercise and have fun. I still prefer tennis mostly since it's a better workout and the way the ball feels when it comes off racquet. Options are always a nice thing to have when it comes to fitness!
In Europe and the Middle East the version of this sport is called padel and it is fast growing as well. Personally I’m sticking to tennis. But as you say padel/pickleball is easier and more social. It is more economical and profit making as well.
In Spain, where I live, Paddle Tennis is really popular. Spaniards are crazy about it and the professional league games are spectacular (as shown here on UA-cam). Compared to Paddle Tennis pickleball seems very boring to me. Can’t imagine that game to become any popular in Europe.
Pickle ball does not appeal to me. It requires practically no athletic ability, physical condition, or challenge. Where I play, Parks and Rec dept. took two tennis courts and converted them to 4 pickle ball courts. Pickle ball players keep asking my partners and me when we’re going to take up the sport. I always tell them that when my legs won’t move too well I’ll think of playing pickle ball. I still like to run and move around the court and get exercise. I practice with a young man who played 4 years of varsity tennis and just graduated. My clothes are drenched with sweat when we leave the court but it’s a lot of fun.
I don't understand why they just won't make pickleball indoor arenas or gyms instead of converting tennis courts. A gym can hold over 10 courts and they could sell all pickleball equipment inside there too.
They have done just that in the city near where I live. It's called the Picklebarn and there are 8 indoor courts, they offer lessons, a pro shop, fitness center, and I believe restaurant too.
Tennis Spin was a bit PC in this video. I would have liked to hear his opinion. Are you upset tennis courts are being converted? Is pickle ball a dumbed down version of tennis? Will pickle ball hurt high level american tennis if kids are learning pickle ball instead of tennis? Just imagine the young junior who no longer has a local tennis court because it was converted to pickle ball. Will this be a barrier for the next Serena or Sampras? Can a young person have a successful pickle ball career? For me, pickleball looks like a dumbed down version of tennis. The long journey of mastering the strokes, movements, and strategy of tennis seems to be missing. I feel this builds character in young people. At the same time, I think the pickle player could argue that journey is there in this sport too. I would love to hear the experts weight in. I would like to see a thoughtful long term strategy put in place for how court space is provisioned for tennis and pickle ball that takes into account junior development in tennis and other questions rather than willy nilly conversion.
Our local rec center has 2 full court basketball courts. I consider myself a basketball player and for years I would just kind of smirk at the folks playing pickleball on the other court. One day I tried it because a friend of mine said to come and check it out. Next thing I knew I was infatuated with pickleball. Now I play basketball just to get warmed up to play pickleball. Go figure.
Picked up a couple of paddles. Going to get the wife to give it a try, she's fairly inactive, thought this would be a good activity we could do together. Played alot of tennis when I was younger, still play a bit.
I don’t like the fact that they are converting Tennis courts to pickle ball courts. Am I off by thinking that the pickle ball courts can be set up in a parking lot? The surface is not that important
The thing i don't get is that in the US all the people are going over to Pickleball, in Europe alot of Paddle courts are being built. With paddle the ball is still kinda a tennis ball but with less pressure so it doesn't go as fast.
Two-thirds of US adults are overweight or obese. No surprise that most people want something easier. In terms of time, I spend the most time running, then tennis is second and then the gym is third with cycling and walking fourth.
Bro please, i know it's difficult to find a subject for an everyday video routine, but you can talk about everything you want, cooking, animals, quantum mechanics, but no more pickeball or padel please😒
Haha it’s related to tennis magazine, I’m fine with the pickle ball content ;) It’s fun enough to play too, but I’m annoyed about all the tennis courts being fully converted to pickle ball courts. It’s enough to paint pickle ball lines on the full sized courts haha
No pickleball courts on my tennis courts in Princeton, NJ. I have played at a nearby town where there are both courts. And nobody seems to complain about the Pickleball courts. Personally I think they are really annoying, but I'm an exception so it seems.
In Europe and the MENA region, what’s competing is Padel, there was though a pickle ball court that I went to once that was struggling to get anyone to play I tried it, it’s fun, but all attention now is on Padel
Played picjkleball for a couple of years, but none in the past 5 years. It was a bit difficult to unlearn some of my tennis instincts on the rules of pickleball, e.g., "the kitchen" and no volleying. Made a decision to stick with tennis, as I get better exercise and fitness from that. And, adding pickleball lines to tennis courts is a real nuisance. Its confusing for both sports. Kinda like, "fish, or cut bait". Have the playing surface dedicated to one, or the other, not both. I think that is forthcoming, though. Our Parks & Rec resurfaced the 4 tennis courts in one park and we now have 12 solely-pickleball courts. Helps with the court demand traffic on the weekends.
It is a fad. You play a few times you are an expert. How does this keep people engaged? What do they have to work on to improve? For example, you golf and the first thing you want to do is break 100. Then 90, 80 70 etc. You take lessons, you go to the range, work on bunker shots, putting, driving, etc. Getting better is a major part of any sport, and takes time. Pickleball is instant gratification. If you need to work to improve on pickleball, you probably need to work on walking. I would have no problem with it except they are taking over tennis courts. My area does not have a lot of courts and they are taken over by schools during seasons. What we have left is pickleball. Will there be a high school pickleball team?
Don't have any complains. Not many cities/counties have money for the new infrastructure. Rather convert existing into something new. Been done with pitches made to have football, American rugby and in some instances baseball crossed over. Also, in gyms, basketball court will have multi lines for other gym sports. In the end, whatever you play is a good thing, tennis or pickle ball, because it keeps that heart running healthy. Less people going to hospitals, win for the whole community.
I've got nothing against pickleball (or any sport) but--the noise is horrible. The awful sound of that ball/paddle can travel a half a mile. It's like the sound of aluminum baseball bat (but that probably sounds better). The sound of a tennis ball being hit is a good sound (so is a wooden bat in baseball). The game is very easy to learn--but after a while there is no real challenge and then becomes boring. Tennis is far more popular world-wide and always will be. Pickleball likes claiming the fasted growing sport but that's mostly do to numbers. In my neighborhood we have about 100 tennis players and maybe 10-15 pickleball. Since covid tennis picked up about 15 players and pickleball about 5. That was 15% for tennis and 33% pickleball. I could say tennis picked up 3 times as many players as pickleball or pickleball can say they picked up twice the % as did tennis. There were a couple other sports that "swept the nation" much more than pickleball supposedly is. Bowling was one of the most popular sports in the 50's. Racketball was projected to overtake tennis back in the 80's. Tennis has been around a long long time. There have been times of it being wildly popular and times not so, but it has stood the test of time. Few sports adults can play are as challenging or offer the amount of exercise that does tennis.
Started with tennis now I play both. Pickle is easy to get good at and rallies are longer (serve isn’t much of a factor). If a friend is looking into either I suggest pickle. If they have a kid who is looking for a long time sport and have time to develop I suggest tennis. Also more drop in play opps for pickle ball, that’s my main gripe with tennis now, having to coordinator players.
I think pickleball is great, but the reallocation of tennis courts does not work!!! Just because pickleball is an "easier" sport, it does not mean our tennis courts should disappear.
Personally, I think Padel is infinitely for fun than pickleball. I suppose being able to easily convert tennis courts into pickelball courts has made the sport more accessible.
The tennis industry fears pickle ball! 1) Paddles are durable being totally plastic &/or carbon fiber. 2) You don't need to re-string paddles. So no string sales or stringers needed. 3) Balls are hard plastic & don't require frequent replacing like pressurized tennis balls that wear out or go flat. 4) Its so simple to learn & pickup, players don't need coaching.
What is the point other that to let players that can’t play tennis play a dumb game? As with any contest , eventually the young with lightning reflexes will rule the sport.
Nothing against pickleball, just this stupidity of using tennis courts has to stop. Or should we be opening up tennis courts to soccer, skate boarding or anyone else who wants to use it for other than tennis?
Pickle ball is easier to learn especially at an advanced ages. It is also more of a social sport I but I could be wrong. I still hope to play tennis till I'am physically not able to any more then I might switch to pickle:) Its good if people are active outside and it is easy to become part of it.
Every sport that it's related to a racquet it's good for everyone whether it's table tennis, squash, paddle, or either pickleball, bacause people can start with one sport and then move to another one. I don't think that pickleball is going to growth like tennis like having 4 grand slams because there is history and tradition over there, and also golden generations. Also if there are still local tennis shops in the market is because of the string services, and pickleball does not use strings and changing ball it's not so frecuent. For that reason I see a mix with tennis shops selling other raquet sport supplies but tennis is leading. The problem for tennis is that it is not easy to learn. You need classes, body preparation and time to really compete.
Wow, pretty negative comments from people that don't seem to have much experience playing pickleball. I enjoy playing both. I'm at a 4.5 level at both and divide my time pretty evenly. I prefer doubles in pickleball and singles in tennis. For those that say pickleball is not physically demanding you're wrong. Is it less demanding then tennis? Yes, but if you're playing at a higher level with people of the same skill level, it definitely works up a good sweat very quickly. Pickleball singles can be very grueling. I do agree that watching pickleball on TV isn't very exciting but I would probably say the same thing watching a tennis match with players I don't know or particularly care about. The things I like most about tennis is the variety of shots, point construction, strategy, mental aspect and just the feel of hitting a tennis ball. With pickleball I like the social aspect, fun factor, short games, speed battles, and tournament atmosphere. Hopefully people just keep an open mind and realize both sports can thrive.
@@tomr6955 Down in Victoria, there's a few places to play, but they are few and far between. One of the council multi-sports centres (Boorandara?) offers it. Some of my tennis mates are interested to try it. In Oz, we still have a few surfaces (synthetic grass, en tout cas) to retreat to if pickleball starts taking over.
P ball seems to be popular everywhere now but count me as NO FAN!! As long as these 70 yr old legs hild up I play singles tennis (no doubles). Im gonna fight it and the court takeovers!
The fastest growing racket sport south of the border is pádel ( not paddle) tennis, it has many of the advantages of pickel ball but to me it is a ton of fun ( unlike pickel ball) Happy to see seniors getting out and playing it. Pádel is hitting the latin communities in USA so look out, try it and see how that feels.
in California and New York, some parts, there is POP Tennis, which is rebranded from paddle tennis, which I think like padel more tennis-like game, more challenging than Pickleball, and easier to learn than tennis, but POP Tennis never took off
Converting tennis courts to pickleball courts is wrong. It's great that there's a new exercise option for overly sedentary Americans -- however it should not be at the expense of tennis.
I found pickleball really fun but stopped playing because of too many pickleball purists complaining about tennis players showing up to learn. I'll stick with tennis. The best pickleball experience for me was playing indoors on tile with an indoor ball. Much higher bounce and no wind
Recently, my son and I woke up early one morning to play tennis. We went to our local park that has 3 courts. We went early to get a court because it gets filled out pretty quickly throughout the day. When we got there, it was empty except for an elderly lady unpacking her equipment. Upon seeing us, she approached us saying that all the courts were saved for their pickleball club. Even though courts can't be saved, she made the argument that no other local tennis courts have drawn lines that cater to pickleball, and therefore we should have the etiquette to find tennis courts elsewhere. I knew she was in the wrong but because my son was nudging me to just give in, I wished the lady a good day and left; all in the meanwhile thinking, "what just happened?"
Pickleball is a fun game and I think it’s great that more people will be more active especially at an older age. But, in San Diego, they are trying to take over the public non-profit run tennis clubs. All of these clubs have been around for decades, are self run and maintained without any community funds. But there’s a for profit company that wants the city to just give them a tennis court; otherwise have threaten to take over the club and have recently just walked onto courts with their nets and refused to get off. Put the time and energy into getting funding and get your own facility. Don’t take over a self-sustaining vibrant community tennis club.
Thanks...Here is our story....In our community the city turned the tennis courts into a P.B. facility, kinda, little international competition paradise, new surface, new fence, new landscaping, and secondary use of tennis, just to get tennis players gradually out of business, ironically people in the neighborhood were complaining about the f..g. ticktock noise on 14 courts, it was like a gunfire whole day long and night since the courts were lit at night. For the better now it is quiet, the noise was on our side. There must be a lot of money behind this shit, they built a whole new exclusive club for them in the athletic park. Great for tennis players who cannot make money as a tennis player but succeeds in picka'ball, like the cover boy, but it is a bust to the local tennis communities. These people look through you as if you were a ghost as a tennis player..easy to get on court enjoy quickly, how can you compete with this crap while tennis remains a life long adventure, if you didn't have to compete for floor space and time with them by any means might be a great exercise and social event for many....
@@sonsoftheedelweiss72 You’re still wrong on both accounts. If you haven’t played at a level above 3.5 you wouldn’t know. More economical? Clubs are catching on and have raised court costs. Equipment is on par with that of tennis.
@@dunlopgp10 strings and having to string is a huge pain in the butt for tennis for sure. Currently pb has a cult following and it will eventually die down in future but no denying it’s popularity. Even where I live they are changing tennis courts to PB courts.
@@sonsoftheedelweiss72 high level tennis players are already playing. jack sock is obsessed with it. Sam querrey and noah rubin are trying to go pro but they are bad
I Started watching your channel last September to get of feel for tennis equipment wanting to get in the sport.. When I went to the local tennis courts I watched both tennis and pickleball and saw how much more fun the pickleball players were having .. It's way easier to learn and can be just as fun and athletic .. I watched a high level Pro Mixed Doubles match that actually had a 15, 24, 33, 42 year old all on the same court, that's the great thing about pickleball..
Pickleball is a game. Tennis is a sport.
Define a game and define a sport first. People can play pickleball….thats fine. Better than sitting on the couch!!!!
@@johnyang1420 A sport has defense. You can impede your opponent. If you sit and wait like in chess or billiards it is a game. If you can impede like in tennis or football, it is a sport. All track & field are games.
@@SLAMBANGO lol pickleball has defense. this is goofy,
Welcome to Pickle Spin, where we put our spin on your pickle.
LOL for real, man!
Seems like spin is not an option in pickel so better yet" where we put no spin on your pickel"
Do pickles spin very much? 😁
Reallocating courts from tennis to pickleball really irks me, but I'm sure I would be thrilled if I was on the other side of the argument. Just hope tennis takes advantage of the growth again in the upcoming years with more kids picking up the sport during the pandemic.
The jolly postman just walks right in, is greeted warmly, does his thang and takes off. Feels like Mister Rogers’ Neighborhood. Love it!
After the ups man visit, we now need a trolley to take us to the tennis court clips with Coach Gu and Coach Chris. Aren't they in San Francisco anyway?
It drives me crazy when I see pickle ball lines on a beautiful tennis court. Build separate courts for them. Leave the tennis courts alone.
AMEN!
Watched “Professional” level pickle ball and found it pretty lame lol
Pickleball is a fun social sport. I have played a few times and my club is looking at building some courts on property. It's a simple (other than scoring) sport with a low skill barrier for entry. Literally can hit around for 5-10 minutes and be able to hold a rally, so I get why it's growing so quickly. The only issue I have with pickleball is they typically want to take away tennis courts for pball courts. In many cities to get tennis courts built there was a lot of effort into fundraising, design reviews and city permitting to get them built and to just swoop in and take some of that away sucks. If pball went through the same effort to get their facilities built I don't think anyone would have issues at all.
I don't have a problem with pickleball. I don't play it but I'm glad that there are many people who have taken to it. Sure, as a tennis player I can see it's limitations and personally decline. What I don't like is that since pickleball has been becoming more popular, it seems like resources that would have been used for tennis are being used for pickleball instead. It all started when my prior town re lined the tennis court so that pickleball could be played on them. The pickleball players always lowered the net and never raised it back for tennis. Now, the city I live in took out 4 of the 10 tennis courts and converted them to pickleball. Great, less tennis courts. Now, the Tennis Channel is running pickleball tourneys and I'm thinking about dropping my subscription to the TC. Tennis magazine running articles for pickleball? I thought the USTA published Tennis magazine. Why in the hell are they running articles on pickleball. What is their primary purpose?
My complaint as well. One of our local set of courts has Pickleball players camping out on the courts with lawn chairs to hold the courts for the whole morning. In the past, they put down tape on our indoor courts which tennis players tripped over. The tennis players just removed the tape before playing so they moved pickleball to the basketball courts. The basketball players complained. They eventually moved them to another facility and now they are out-of-sight, out-of-mind.
I already dropped TC over this.
POP Tennis (paddle tennis) would have been a more natural progression from tennis for tennis players looking to transition to slower lower impact game, but Pickleball took off so fast because it is just so easy to pickup, and as PB grows the $$$$ grows. Was a news item a Canadian city that saw PB players on tennis courts, but the sound the plastic ball makes on the paddle and hitting the court just carried and was so annoying, the local community complained.
I agree Robert. But USTA as a whole sucks especially for junior tennis which now that my son only plays college tennis I hv not kept up with junior tennis. I hear USTA juniors has changed due to the lack of jr interest across the country and rules playing across the country. ( UTR helped in many ways).
Agree 100%. PB is a fade so just give it time. But replacing tennis courts for pb courts is so sad. Now the older out of shape fat people can compete with the younger athletes.
I am a tennis player since 10. Also a table tennis player. Love any raquet sport including European paddle. But pickleball is phenomenal. The inclusion factor post COVID makes its momentum. Literally I love it. I was teaching my wife to learn tennis but we play pickleball since the first time competing any type of player. It does not have gender or age. It is definitely more fun if you play doubles ( same as tennis playing singles). If you go alone to a pickleball park, there is a inclusion process that you play immediately. Tell me when in your life you go to a tennis court to play singles or doubles and someone cannot go, you definitely will not play. In pickleball it does not matter if you go alone or you are 2 or 3 you definitely will play. It is super fun and since the games last around 10 min or so you keep rotating and play with other people. I normally play for 2-3 hours. My knees are happier and I can play all days. I am 51. Definitely I can’t play tennis everyday. I love tennis/pickleball/ table tennis.
(1) it does not require as much time to master, (2) it does not require fitness, (3) it allows for more socialization.
It does not require any time to master.
Disagree on not requiring fitness. I play high level singles and having come from tennis since high school, it requires a lot of athleticism and fitness.
My town here in New Jersey is re-allocating courts. I am strongly against this. It can be difficult enough to find tennis courts and this is making courts time even more of a challenge..I don't play pickleball but enjoy Touch Tennis as a tennis alternative
YES TO TOUCHTENNIS! KEEP PUSHING IT!
Any racket sport will see high level, physically demanding play from ping pong through tennis and should be respected. That said, imposing pickleball lines and play on to tennis courts is offensive and unnecessary. It's not that difficult to set up a badminton court. Perhaps it might be an object lesson to set up a badminton court on top of pickleball lines and see how pickleball players react.
Start playing TOUCHTENNIS on the pickleball courts. It's like mini tennis with foam balls. It's huge in Europe and the Middle East.
We need take back our courts!
Sadly, most pickle players I have came across do not have the court etiquettes. Clearly, those never played tennis before or they would know how some of those etiquettes.
I think that paddle is for spanking those bad mannered players.
Well put
Very true. Pickleball players are entitled assholes
There is no place to play pickle ball here in Shanghai, but a lot of Padel courts are opening up. It seems to be about money though… Less area used, and higher rates than even indoor tennis courts! I’ll stick to tennis, thank you…
I hate it! If tennis players don't get out and play more they're all gonna be pickleball courts out there. It's the death of tennis.
You’re right about that, but most kids in the US either can’t afford lessons to play outside of high school or they’re so good if they can, they play tournaments on the road and get burnet out and become that grumpy tennis pro at the country club lol.
I've played squash, racquetball, table tennis and tennis. I'm not playing pickleball and only one person in my tennis group has tried it.
Amen
Was watching some Pro Pickleball on Tennis Channel before Citi final..there is ZERO movement in pickleball..they just stand there with their toes on the no-fly-zone line and hit lightly back and forth. Table tennis has more movement and skill.
agree, tbh when I get too old to run I'd go back to table tennis for the speed and spin before I was tempted to go near pickle ball.
You have to try playing singles pickleball, its a lot harder than it looks.
I despise pickleball and I cannot wait for such a useless fad to fade away into obscurity. Pickleball players are the worst. They take over and destroy the local tennis courts. They have no etiquette, they take without asking, and they believe that they are entitled to ruin the sport of tennis. They need their own courts. Tennis courts are not pickleball courts, and tennis courts should never, under any circumstances, be converted into pickleball courts. At a playground, tennis courts and pickleball courts should be constructed as far away from each other as possible.
I believe that I have seen enough pickleball from this channel. I used to enjoy the content. Lately, not so much.
Booms tend to go bust. I hope that happens to pickleball
in the end: spent $1000's on tennis lessons and camps, both group and some privates for my family over 10 years... for Pickleball, spent $0.00 on lessons, got free beginner lessons just from other players you meet, and off you go...
Really pisses me off that "Tennis Channel" is showing pickleball instead of more and better tennis coverage. Hey, why not ping pong, or badminton, or racketball? How about checkers? Bowling? If pickleball is so popular, then start the pickleball channel and leave tennis alone. Losing courts to PB is bad enough. Now we have to lose TV air time to that "sport," too? Plus, is there anything more annoying than the Pock-pock-pock-pock sounds of a pickleball match? Pock!!!!
They’re going to go where the money is. Be thankful that it just a little air time right now. If PB gets it’s own (real) network, that could be the one, two punch for rec tennis.
Pickleballers will just say Pock You.......
@@douglasrasmussen480 LOL...they are pocking themselves. Anyway, I'm glad they enjoy it. Nothing wrong with it other than I don't want it eating up tennis courts from tennis players, or crowding out tennis content on tennis channel. If it's so popular, an that's ok, go get your own courts and tv channels.
@@ReidVV precisely.
My main problem with pickle ball is the fact that they are destroying tennis courts to make pickle ball courts!
It’s easy to learn and popularity will always be there. You can see that when little kids are crushing adults. We are watching the transition of pickle ball pros to hitting harder and faster with spin. Eventually the skill levels will grow and it will be an option for tennis players as they age.
I play pickle ball with my friends that don't really play other sports. It's fun and something to do socially (seen pickle ball courts set up at bars) but not something I seek out and want to learn more about and get better at like tennis. I know plenty tennis purists that hate it, my brother called it a slap dick sport lol.
Luckily where I live, Austin, pickle ball has not been invasive on tennis and the resources. Tennis courts aren't being converted to pickle ball courts. If anything, I see separate resources being devoted to pickle ball and its growing popularity.
I don't like pickleball, but i love touch tennis cause it's more simillar to normal tennis. You need ideal flat ground to play pickleball, but in touch tennis you can play on any surface. And it's cheaper cause a lot of people sells kids rackets than they grow up for little money.
Touch tennis is awesome. Love that you can set it up anywhere
I play both… but I would travel & pay to see a tennis tournament, definitely not for pickleball even for free. Not against pickleball, except replacing existing tennis courts or how cocky/arrogant pickleball players are against tennis players whereas tennis still have some etiquette in the DNA & a never ending humbleness about it. e.g., I’m still getting coach about ways to improve/evolve my forehand for heaviness a decade later.
The PB community is so welcoming, which I think is part of the appeal. When PB players find out I play tennis, the vibe I get isn't great. I see PB guys like to rally-"dink" (stupid term) while tennis players just hit, and I'll slice, doesn't mean I am more successful doing that, but one guy just asked me to dink-rally more... as that was the point of the game...
Imagine the kind of debate that happened in the 1800s when lawn tennis was invented. Did people who played Royal Tennis have the same kind of scorn for lawn tennis the way tennis players today have for pickleball?
Did anyone else just get serious Mailman from Mr. Rogers vibes when Eliot arrived! lol
VERY interesting to this table tennis player. Sounds like Pickleball is the polar opposite to table tennis. Spin is not much of a factor (the rules seem to mandate racket surfaces that don't impart spin to the ball), so pretty much anyone can pick up a racket and start hitting the ball across the net. I found one night, to my chagrin, that the typical man/woman/kid off the street can't handle a standard table tennis racket with inverted sponge rubber on it - any small amount of spin on the ball (unavoidable) causes the ball to come off the racket in strange directions. (A shopping mall set up a table with barriers and left some bats and balls out for casual passers-by to have a go.) It takes some 15-20 minutes of coaching before said person can even return the ball across the net. People have recognized this, and have come up with variations on the sport where spin is attenuated to the point that the equipment is easier to handle - "classic hardbat", sandpaper, 42mm ball leagues (mainly in Japan and Korea, allows only pips-out rubber with thin sponge), and something very Pickeball-like called TTX (smooth plastic bats decorated with pictures) - the first three have avid followings in various parts of the world (even to point of having tournaments with significant prize money), the last has been almost universally derided these last few years despite ITTF pushing it pretty hard. At least they all share the same table (the 42mm ball variation uses a higher net).
In my area there were three main areas that had tennis courts. The closest to me were tore out a few years before the pandemic. The main ones in the middle of the city were tore out and pickle ball courts were put in. We still have 5 courts at one of the city parks that I’m praying they don’t rip out. We just joined a tennis club to be able to play in the winter.
I'm an avid tennis player but have been starting to play some pickleball this year. The learning curve for PB is not as steep as with tennis, IMO. So I feel that lends itself to having more people try and play PB. Also, my experience has been (as mentioned in the video) is that PB is more inclusive. PB players typically welcome new people and it's much more social. Tennis, where I live, is much more clique-ish. I'll go as far as saying that many people don't want others to be a part of their tennis groups because it takes away time from themselves to play. And I've witnessed on more than one occasion tennis players get into shouting matches and almost come to blows with other tennis players because of how long they've been using the public court. Locally, people complain that PB players monopolize the courts meant for tennis. But in reality, tennis cliques have been finding ways to monopolize the courts from other players as long as I can remember. In some ways the complaints I hear from tennis players about PB players is a little bit of "the pot calling the kettle black".
I’m in South Carolina and Pickleball is taking over. The main reason is that you can always find a group of 20+ people playing at anytime and they’re welcoming. You literally can’t find a pick up game of tennis. If you don’t plan a match with someone you’re not getting a game in.
Unfortunately not anyone can pick up a racket and play well. Private lessons are over priced at $60 for 45 minutes. Not that ppl really need them but you can get a PB lessons for half that price.
Was at a resort last week with a tennis club, 4 hard courts, 2 clay and 1 grass... one hard court had Pickleball lines as a trial; which was so popular, they are going to build set of 4 dedicated PB courts. My comment was the PB ball sound on PB paddle is so loud, guests might be annoyed...as in some jurisdications have that issue. PB community is quite welcoming, which is what I found, and you will see people playing who otherwise would not be involved in many physical sports, so it gets people moving. The PB players vs tennis background-PB players there is a definite difference in style, where PB guys like to "dink" (weird term) rally more, while I seen tennis players just hit the sh1t out of that whiffle ball... ha ha. POP Tennis (paddle tennis) should have been bigger than Pickleball, but ability to squeeze Pickleball into school and community gyms in winter is huge advantage.
Played pickle ball twice: it's for the elderly and easily amused. Let's be real. It's like going to play snooker or darts or bowling. No athleticism required. Same goes for table tennis. Badminton is a real marathon, imo, and sometimes in singles, more excruciating than tennis. And squash, too. But pickle-ball? let's call it what it is: a pastime.
You obviously never play REAL TABLE TENNIS’. The smash can be over 100mph. And the amount of spin is amazing .
@@johnchew9505 loool yah you're right. My friend swears by it. But on a spectrum, it's not the most taxing of activities...
Same thing is happening in Chile, but with Padel insted of Pickleball. More and more courts are being built for Padel, even some Tennis courts are being taken down for Padel ones. However once I tried Padel myself I understood why all the fuss. Padel is really, really easy to play, and it's also very very fun. It doesn't take a lot of technique to become quite good at it, so having no background in any other sport, playing 10 times will make you good enough to have fun on the court. I have the feeling Pickleball is the same, as far I can tell (no pickleball here). To be able to enjoy playing tennis you need to develop some of the basics and that takes a looot of time, and it can be frustrating for a lot of people. I think thats the main difference between tennis and both pickleball/padel, and that might explain why those are becoming so mainstream.
Now i play Padel once a week, and tennis 3 to 4 times a week. Would I ever switch to padel? No. Do I enjoy both? Yes. In fact, i think I'm better at Padel than I am at Tennis 🤣 (6 years playing tennis, and 9 month playing padel). Bottomline, I urge you to try Pickleball. Maybe you will be surprised 🙂.
Cheers!
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I think Pickleball is a simple sport that doesn't seem to require much technique or athletic ability to play. The balls look like wiffle balls and so you should be able to put a lot of spin on it and probably that's what makes it popular. I don't plan to ever play. I've been offered by pickleballers to play to bring over to the dark side but the thought of not running turns me off. If I really want to reduce my running, I would play doubles instead of singles. I really don't think there is an age limit in tennis, I've seen plenty of elderly players on the public courts. And they are in excellent shape. A lot of them play singles. Pickleball, however, is like playing checkers on a chess board. The boards are similar but the pieces and the movements are totally different. And the skill level and aptitudes are totally different and is so the complexity. More power to pickleballers everywhere but please stop hogging the courts when you play. You stay on court for three hours with your group cos it's not a demanding game and I've seen players of every shape and size. But you are supposed to vacate if someone is waiting for the court on the top of the hour in our area. Please honor the code of conduct.
I look forward to the day when tennis courts are full and the tennis players walk over to the pickleball courts to work on their tennis short game with tennis rackets, not piddleball sticks.
Tennis is to blame for their failure in not attracting more tennis players.
Pickleball players, STAY OFF THE TENNIS COURTS. It is a separate game. If you want respect from tennis players, try giving it first...do that by staying off tennis courts.
Pickleball is a great game. Fun for anyone, but it's NOT Tennis. So don't treat it as something it's not.
Tennis Channel is pissing off tennis players for one simple reason....$$$.
They know that once older tennis players hit their max physically, they will switch to pickleball. All it takes is 1 guy or girl from the foursome who plays regular dubs to switch over.
Will they do a spin off channel? Maybe. Does mini golf have it's own channel? lol. I don't think pball will have the viewing on TV that tennis has. P ball has more of a beach volleyball atmosphere imo.
As an avid tennis player and coach in his 40s, I played pickle once. Didn't like the post effect it had on my tennis strokes...but thats just me so i choose not to play it. I EASILY competed with the top players at the facility and took a big red faced gulp when i told them it was my first time playing.
Tennis is at a crossroads and pickle is winning.
Shorter courts, more players, shorter games, cheaper equipment. See the connection? more fee$$$s for the clubs. This game is all about convenience.
From a tv viewing standpoint....I think the game is VERY boring to watch...but very very easy to play....pro tennis is freaking amazing to watch... pro pickleball is not that impressive at all. If you already are decent at tennis, you can kill at table tennis, pickleball, racketball etc...but it doesn't go the other way.
My three cents.
there is something called POP Tennis which I think is big in California somewhere... and it was paddle tennis, which I think should have been what Pickleball is now, but didn't take off like PB
Agreed!
Hi Guys thank you for great videos ! Can you do a video on eastern forehand grip and running forehands , and a last one on preparation to hit the ball ( discuss the foot and movement and adjustments)
Thank you 😊
Thank you
Played pickleball a few times and it was OK, but not the same challenge and workout I get with tennis. The only things I don’t like are the sound of the balls and taking away or replacement of tennis courts for pickleball. One should not take away from the other and hopefully co-exist for those that like either or both.
Pickle ball is for whimps 💪🏻
Three of 6 courts are covered to pickleball. As I get older, I’m going to convert to pickleball and badminton.
Enjoy it for what it is, an opportunity to get exercise and have fun. I still prefer tennis mostly since it's a better workout and the way the ball feels when it comes off racquet. Options are always a nice thing to have when it comes to fitness!
In Europe and the Middle East the version of this sport is called padel and it is fast growing as well. Personally I’m sticking to tennis. But as you say padel/pickleball is easier and more social. It is more economical and profit making as well.
In Spain, where I live, Paddle Tennis is really popular. Spaniards are crazy about it and the professional league games are spectacular (as shown here on UA-cam). Compared to Paddle Tennis pickleball seems very boring to me. Can’t imagine that game to become any popular in Europe.
Pickle ball does not appeal to me. It requires practically no athletic ability, physical condition, or challenge. Where I play, Parks and Rec dept. took two tennis courts and converted them to 4 pickle ball courts. Pickle ball players keep asking my partners and me when we’re going to take up the sport. I always tell them that when my legs won’t move too well I’ll think of playing pickle ball. I still like to run and move around the court and get exercise. I practice with a young man who played 4 years of varsity tennis and just graduated. My clothes are drenched with sweat when we leave the court but it’s a lot of fun.
I don't understand why they just won't make pickleball indoor arenas or gyms instead of converting tennis courts. A gym can hold over 10 courts and they could sell all pickleball equipment inside there too.
They have done just that in the city near where I live. It's called the Picklebarn and there are 8 indoor courts, they offer lessons, a pro shop, fitness center, and I believe restaurant too.
hate prickleball🥒
Tennis Spin was a bit PC in this video. I would have liked to hear his opinion. Are you upset tennis courts are being converted? Is pickle ball a dumbed down version of tennis? Will pickle ball hurt high level american tennis if kids are learning pickle ball instead of tennis? Just imagine the young junior who no longer has a local tennis court because it was converted to pickle ball. Will this be a barrier for the next Serena or Sampras? Can a young person have a successful pickle ball career? For me, pickleball looks like a dumbed down version of tennis. The long journey of mastering the strokes, movements, and strategy of tennis seems to be missing. I feel this builds character in young people. At the same time, I think the pickle player could argue that journey is there in this sport too. I would love to hear the experts weight in. I would like to see a thoughtful long term strategy put in place for how court space is provisioned for tennis and pickle ball that takes into account junior development in tennis and other questions rather than willy nilly conversion.
Our local rec center has 2 full court basketball courts. I consider myself a basketball player and for years I would just kind of smirk at the folks playing pickleball on the other court. One day I tried it because a friend of mine said to come and check it out. Next thing I knew I was infatuated with pickleball. Now I play basketball just to get warmed up to play pickleball. Go figure.
I don't mind it, actually glad it's an option after my tennis playing days are over.
8:20 - I had so much double faults called on me ever since the HOA permanently painted the pickle ball lines on the tennis courts
Get pickle ball off our TENNIS Courts!
Picked up a couple of paddles. Going to get the wife to give it a try, she's fairly inactive, thought this would be a good activity we could do together. Played alot of tennis when I was younger, still play a bit.
I don’t like the fact that they are converting Tennis courts to pickle ball courts. Am I off by thinking that the pickle ball courts can be set up in a parking lot? The surface is not that important
I play both. Have been playing tennis for 40 years, and pickleball for 10 years.
The thing i don't get is that in the US all the people are going over to Pickleball, in Europe alot of Paddle courts are being built. With paddle the ball is still kinda a tennis ball but with less pressure so it doesn't go as fast.
Two-thirds of US adults are overweight or obese. No surprise that most people want something easier. In terms of time, I spend the most time running, then tennis is second and then the gym is third with cycling and walking fourth.
Bro please, i know it's difficult to find a subject for an everyday video routine, but you can talk about everything you want, cooking, animals, quantum mechanics, but no more pickeball or padel please😒
Haha it’s related to tennis magazine, I’m fine with the pickle ball content ;) It’s fun enough to play too, but I’m annoyed about all the tennis courts being fully converted to pickle ball courts. It’s enough to paint pickle ball lines on the full sized courts haha
No pickleball courts on my tennis courts in Princeton, NJ.
I have played at a nearby town where there are both courts. And nobody seems to complain about the Pickleball courts. Personally I think they are really annoying, but I'm an exception so it seems.
Maybe in your area, but your feelings are mirrored across the national tennis community.
In Europe and the MENA region, what’s competing is Padel, there was though a pickle ball court that I went to once that was struggling to get anyone to play I tried it, it’s fun, but all attention now is on Padel
Played picjkleball for a couple of years, but none in the past 5 years. It was a bit difficult to unlearn some of my tennis instincts on the rules of pickleball, e.g., "the kitchen" and no volleying. Made a decision to stick with tennis, as I get better exercise and fitness from that. And, adding pickleball lines to tennis courts is a real nuisance. Its confusing for both sports. Kinda like, "fish, or cut bait". Have the playing surface dedicated to one, or the other, not both. I think that is forthcoming, though. Our Parks & Rec resurfaced the 4 tennis courts in one park and we now have 12 solely-pickleball courts. Helps with the court demand traffic on the weekends.
It is a fad. You play a few times you are an expert. How does this keep people engaged? What do they have to work on to improve? For example, you golf and the first thing you want to do is break 100. Then 90, 80 70 etc. You take lessons, you go to the range, work on bunker shots, putting, driving, etc. Getting better is a major part of any sport, and takes time. Pickleball is instant gratification. If you need to work to improve on pickleball, you probably need to work on walking. I would have no problem with it except they are taking over tennis courts. My area does not have a lot of courts and they are taken over by schools during seasons. What we have left is pickleball. Will there be a high school pickleball team?
Don't have any complains. Not many cities/counties have money for the new infrastructure. Rather convert existing into something new. Been done with pitches made to have football, American rugby and in some instances baseball crossed over. Also, in gyms, basketball court will have multi lines for other gym sports.
In the end, whatever you play is a good thing, tennis or pickle ball, because it keeps that heart running healthy. Less people going to hospitals, win for the whole community.
Pickleball is a good game. Paddle ball is a good game and tennis is a good game. Play them all. Love them all. Why exclude any activity?
Give me tennis or give me death.
Talk about touchtennis it's a much better alternative to tennis than pickleball
I've got nothing against pickleball (or any sport) but--the noise is horrible. The awful sound of that ball/paddle can travel a half a mile. It's like the sound of aluminum baseball bat (but that probably sounds better). The sound of a tennis ball being hit is a good sound (so is a wooden bat in baseball).
The game is very easy to learn--but after a while there is no real challenge and then becomes boring.
Tennis is far more popular world-wide and always will be. Pickleball likes claiming the fasted growing sport but that's mostly do to numbers. In my neighborhood we have about 100 tennis players and maybe 10-15 pickleball. Since covid tennis picked up about 15 players and pickleball about 5. That was 15% for tennis and 33% pickleball. I could say tennis picked up 3 times as many players as pickleball or pickleball can say they picked up twice the % as did tennis.
There were a couple other sports that "swept the nation" much more than pickleball supposedly is. Bowling was one of the most popular sports in the 50's. Racketball was projected to overtake tennis back in the 80's.
Tennis has been around a long long time. There have been times of it being wildly popular and times not so, but it has stood the test of time. Few sports adults can play are as challenging or offer the amount of exercise that does tennis.
Started with tennis now I play both. Pickle is easy to get good at and rallies are longer (serve isn’t much of a factor). If a friend is looking into either I suggest pickle. If they have a kid who is looking for a long time sport and have time to develop I suggest tennis. Also more drop in play opps for pickle ball, that’s my main gripe with tennis now, having to coordinator players.
I think pickleball is great, but the reallocation of tennis courts does not work!!! Just because pickleball is an "easier" sport, it does not mean our tennis courts should disappear.
The noise and the lines on my tennis courts annoyed me greatly. Give the pickleball players some other courts, please!
Elliott shows up and reminds me of Mr. McFeely delivering to Mr. Rogers.
Personally, I think Padel is infinitely for fun than pickleball. I suppose being able to easily convert tennis courts into pickelball courts has made the sport more accessible.
The tennis industry fears pickle ball!
1) Paddles are durable being totally plastic &/or carbon fiber.
2) You don't need to re-string paddles. So no string sales or stringers needed.
3) Balls are hard plastic & don't require frequent replacing like pressurized tennis balls that wear out or go flat.
4) Its so simple to learn & pickup, players don't need coaching.
What is the point other that to let players that can’t play tennis play a dumb game? As with any contest , eventually the young with lightning reflexes will rule the sport.
Nothing against pickleball, just this stupidity of using tennis courts has to stop. Or should we be opening up tennis courts to soccer, skate boarding or anyone else who wants to use it for other than tennis?
Please stop talking about pickle ball on Tennis Spin
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Pickle ball is easier to learn especially at an advanced ages. It is also more of a social sport I but I could be wrong. I still hope to play tennis till I'am physically not able to any more then I might switch to pickle:) Its good if people are active outside and it is easy to become part of it.
Every sport that it's related to a racquet it's good for everyone whether it's table tennis, squash, paddle, or either pickleball, bacause people can start with one sport and then move to another one.
I don't think that pickleball is going to growth like tennis like having 4 grand slams because there is history and tradition over there, and also golden generations.
Also if there are still local tennis shops in the market is because of the string services, and pickleball does not use strings and changing ball it's not so frecuent. For that reason I see a mix with tennis shops selling other raquet sport supplies but tennis is leading.
The problem for tennis is that it is not easy to learn. You need classes, body preparation and time to really compete.
Wow, pretty negative comments from people that don't seem to have much experience playing pickleball. I enjoy playing both. I'm at a 4.5 level at both and divide my time pretty evenly. I prefer doubles in pickleball and singles in tennis. For those that say pickleball is not physically demanding you're wrong. Is it less demanding then tennis? Yes, but if you're playing at a higher level with people of the same skill level, it definitely works up a good sweat very quickly. Pickleball singles can be very grueling. I do agree that watching pickleball on TV isn't very exciting but I would probably say the same thing watching a tennis match with players I don't know or particularly care about. The things I like most about tennis is the variety of shots, point construction, strategy, mental aspect and just the feel of hitting a tennis ball. With pickleball I like the social aspect, fun factor, short games, speed battles, and tournament atmosphere. Hopefully people just keep an open mind and realize both sports can thrive.
I'd love to try out Pickleball but have not come across it yet in Australia
@@tomr6955 Down in Victoria, there's a few places to play, but they are few and far between. One of the council multi-sports centres (Boorandara?) offers it. Some of my tennis mates are interested to try it. In Oz, we still have a few surfaces (synthetic grass, en tout cas) to retreat to if pickleball starts taking over.
No you are wrong. Pickle ball is most definitely NOT physically demanding unless you're 85 years old or have some physical defect.
P ball seems to be popular everywhere now but count me as NO FAN!!
As long as these 70 yr old legs hild up I play singles tennis (no doubles). Im gonna fight it and the court takeovers!
if you don't feel pickleball is a sport, try to play a few single games...
The fastest growing racket sport south of the border is pádel ( not paddle) tennis, it has many of the advantages of pickel ball but to me it is a ton of fun ( unlike pickel ball)
Happy to see seniors getting out and playing it.
Pádel is hitting the latin communities in USA so look out, try it and see how that feels.
in California and New York, some parts, there is POP Tennis, which is rebranded from paddle tennis, which I think like padel more tennis-like game, more challenging than Pickleball, and easier to learn than tennis, but POP Tennis never took off
Converting tennis courts to pickleball courts is wrong. It's great that there's a new exercise option for overly sedentary Americans -- however it should not be at the expense of tennis.
I found pickleball really fun but stopped playing because of too many pickleball purists complaining about tennis players showing up to learn. I'll stick with tennis. The best pickleball experience for me was playing indoors on tile with an indoor ball. Much higher bounce and no wind
they're offended because D1 tennis dropouts, that can't hang in the pro scene, turn to pickleball and are crushing the top tournaments.
This coffee thing is so sicking!!!!!!
Recently, my son and I woke up early one morning to play tennis. We went to our local park that has 3 courts. We went early to get a court because it gets filled out pretty quickly throughout the day. When we got there, it was empty except for an elderly lady unpacking her equipment. Upon seeing us, she approached us saying that all the courts were saved for their pickleball club. Even though courts can't be saved, she made the argument that no other local tennis courts have drawn lines that cater to pickleball, and therefore we should have the etiquette to find tennis courts elsewhere. I knew she was in the wrong but because my son was nudging me to just give in, I wished the lady a good day and left; all in the meanwhile thinking, "what just happened?"
Pickleball is a fun game and I think it’s great that more people will be more active especially at an older age. But, in San Diego, they are trying to take over the public non-profit run tennis clubs. All of these clubs have been around for decades, are self run and maintained without any community funds. But there’s a for profit company that wants the city to just give them a tennis court; otherwise have threaten to take over the club and have recently just walked onto courts with their nets and refused to get off. Put the time and energy into getting funding and get your own facility. Don’t take over a self-sustaining vibrant community tennis club.
Pickle is here to stay. It’s like family.
For me its an a okeyish game but looks so dull, In Holland paddle is growing very hard. But in the long run I love tennis more
Im in France, and paddle is taking over tennis here
Thanks...Here is our story....In our community the city turned the tennis courts into a P.B. facility, kinda, little international competition paradise, new surface, new fence, new landscaping, and secondary use of tennis, just to get tennis players gradually out of business, ironically people in the neighborhood were complaining about the f..g. ticktock noise on 14 courts, it was like a gunfire whole day long and night since the courts were lit at night. For the better now it is quiet, the noise was on our side. There must be a lot of money behind this shit, they built a whole new exclusive club for them in the athletic park. Great for tennis players who cannot make money as a tennis player but succeeds in picka'ball, like the cover boy, but it is a bust to the local tennis communities. These people look through you as if you were a ghost as a tennis player..easy to get on court enjoy quickly, how can you compete with this crap while tennis remains a life long adventure, if you didn't have to compete for floor space and time with them by any means might be a great exercise and social event for many....
A pickle and nothing to do with balls.
Its a lot easier on the body, you don’t have to be a good athlete to be competitive and cheaper.
Unless you play high level singles
@@dunlopgp10 uh, not really. Though high level tennis players would dominate pickle ball. But pickle ball is more economical for sure.
@@sonsoftheedelweiss72 You’re still wrong on both accounts. If you haven’t played at a level above 3.5 you wouldn’t know. More economical? Clubs are catching on and have raised court costs. Equipment is on par with that of tennis.
@@dunlopgp10 strings and having to string is a huge pain in the butt for tennis for sure. Currently pb has a cult following and it will eventually die down in future but no denying it’s popularity. Even where I live they are changing tennis courts to PB courts.
@@sonsoftheedelweiss72 high level tennis players are already playing. jack sock is obsessed with it. Sam querrey and noah rubin are trying to go pro but they are bad
Baby boomers are old now so pickle ball is the thing. Tennis is too hard to move around. Pickle is easy.
Yeah but pickleball can get to the lower back with all the bending
in Europe Padel is the real deal right now...
Pickleball is fun but it's tennis all the way for me. LOL
I Started watching your channel last September to get of feel for tennis equipment wanting to get in the sport.. When I went to the local tennis courts I watched both tennis and pickleball and saw how much more fun the pickleball players were having .. It's way easier to learn and can be just as fun and athletic .. I watched a high level Pro Mixed Doubles match that actually had a 15, 24, 33, 42 year old all on the same court, that's the great thing about pickleball..
Wait till padel really takes over
Why is it taking over? Because it's easier.
In europe we have padel that is the sport of the year, even better than pickleball
I think pickle ball is just a fad. Anyhow play the sport you love. You’ll never go wrong. I love tennis. #guga
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