The Moment Sly Cooper 4 Went Downhill...
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- Опубліковано 10 лип 2024
- Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time was an... interesting game to say the least. It had some fantastic gameplay ideas that were QUICKLY brought down by... the other ideas. Let's talk about it!
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Sly couldn't tell his ancestors about Clockwerk as it might change future events (more than they already are) to the point Sly himself would change as a result, especially important considering Sly's origin story is directly tied to Clockwerk's previous successes against his ancestors.
I did think Paradox not turning out to be Clockwerk was a missed opportunity as Paradox's origin story is basically Clockwerk's. He was butthurt that the Coopers were better than him and tried to ruin them as revenge. It would've been neat if as a result of fighting Sly and the destruction of the blimp that Paradox might be fling into the past like Sly was but was injured and made some cybernetic modifications to repair himself using whatever he could find. Having failed to simple ruin the Coopers he aspired to simply killing them and over time performs more cybernetic upgrades to himself until he resembles the giant mechanical owl we know as Clockwerk. The idea of Clockwerk originally being an owl was guesswork by the Coopers over the years and I think the idea of Sly being the cause of his own rise as a thief and cause of his ancestors demise would add more nuance to his character and origin story.
Brilliant comment!
You dame right😑😤😤
For me it's the Penelope reveal.
I wanted her to have a redemption arc and rejoin Sly and the gang.
But they treated her like garbage.
Makes me extremely angry
Why can't we just have her notice what she was doing, felt bad, and stopped mid bossfight against Bentley. Maybe trying to reason with her. That's THEIR friend and Bentleys girlfriend right
Too true. After the Penelope arc, it was just keep playing to see how the story went. Though a few of the ancestors are cool like Rioichi cooper and the gunslinger.
I know right?
it would have made a lot more sense if Penelope was forced to work for Le Paradox against her will, even go as far as to have Miss Decibel hypnotize her and forcibly drug her with the spice from Sly 2 since the spice makes you both angry and susceptible to hypnosis. Arpeggio's whole plan was to drug Paris and hypnotize it into a hate frenzy to power Clockwerks body so Apreggio could achieve immortality.
the boss fight itself was great, though that one change I said could've made the whole thing perfect. plus in the second phase of the fight, when Bentley confronts Penelope, her love for him causes her to resist the hypnosis and her Sly 3 personality resurfaces. but Le paradox planned for that and activated a failsafe in her Black Knight Mech, sealing her inside and locking out her controls so that the mech runs on auto-pilot and is programmed to not stop until the cooper gang is dead. so Bentley is forced to fight Penelope until the Mech is destroyed and she's knocked unconscious. Sly and the others pull her out of the wreckage, and when Penelope comes to, she's back to normal and tearfully apologizes to them for the things she said and did, blaming herself for everything that's happened, she wasn't in control of her actions but she was still aware of it all. Bentley and the Cooper gang forgive her and tell her that the only one to blame is Le Paradox. after that, Penelope rejoins the gang for the rest of the game and she and Bentley are still together.
That's a big factor as to why this game rubs me the wrong way. The cliffhanger also ruined the ending of the trilogy.
@@dantederi5062 sly 4 "ending of the trilogy"
"trilogy"
mate sly 4 isn't part of the og trilogy
I probably would change it to Penelope working for Le Paradox because he promised Bentley wouldn't be harmed. Eventually Le Paradox would go back on his word and Penelope would regroup with the Cooper gang.
Another thing, I really wanted to have an Heinretta arc. Because we would get to play as a FEMALE BADASS Cooper who Sly would probably instantly bond with with the other ancestors. Pirate gameplay and such.
I'd prefer playing as her than fucking BOB
Same sad that they didn’t put that in
Yeah same here, also did you know that Heinretta One Eyed Cooper was originally Henry One Eyed Cooper, they changed the ancestor's identity in Sly 3 with the at the time hypothetical Sly 4 with time travel. Anyways my thoughts on how a Pirate Themed chapter in Sly 4 or it's potential Time Travel Sequel could work is that to introduce the fact there was two one eyed coopers with guy one assuming the Cooper identity to hide to find himself face to face with Heinretta and ends up being her partner with the theme of it leaning towards it being a Pirate Wedding because why not and also to shove as much Pirates of the Caribbean references as possible, either way. It definitely would've been legions better than Cave Cooper Bob's Ice Age Chapter....
Yeah and apparently I think Sly mentions that she was one of his favourites in Sly 3, it would've been cool for them to bond, or could've been like a mother and son
@@elharvey5032 yeah definitely, honestly a Pirate themed chapter for Theives in Time or it's possible sequel would be killer I could definitely see it being a successor of sorts to Sly 3's take on a Pirate Level with the open ended map and Naval Combat, little there was, a very fun part of that game with the Plundering and Loot you could acquire in the episode.
@@bobafett4265 It was definitely a missed opportunity for Sly 4, because we could've had the Cooper gang transported to that era and they all end up captured then rescued by Heinretta Cooper, would've been amazing
I was the designer on the Tennessee Cooper part of the game. Glad you liked it! We were originally going to do a whole ending act for Slytunkhamen Cooper.
Someday, Cooper will make his proper comeback and revial after so long! Long live Coopers!
VIVA LA SLY ✊✊✊
Um....
Long live Sly and the Cooper lines !!!
Long live Sly Cooper !!!! 😀😀😀
🦝🦝🦝 ✨️🪄✨️
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Sly already has a strong ancestor (Sleigh McCooper) without having to create a whole new character. The first Cooper should have been something amazing to witness, like watching the story of the first Avatar in Korra... but we didn't NEED to see the first Cooper. Not if he's going to be a bad character and take 1/5 of the screen time.
Honestly, something I didn't like is about the ancestors being kinda watered down down in Thieves in time compared to how they were referenced in the previous games. And this isn't in Sly's imagination where he has a skewed view of them, these are written accounts of a lineage of thieves who are masters of their skill and develop new ways of thievery each time... THEY HAVE A VAULT BUILT WITH SPECIFIC BOOBY TRAPS BASED ON EACH ANCESTOR.
The villains weren't all that memorable in Sly 4 either aside from that one villain who is a huge spoiler. They don't seem all that intimidating to me, take for example, El Jefe who is the first villain in Sly 4 and the first boss.. He's presented as a tactical genius who was a mercenary commander who was able to conquer smaller weaker countries then sell them to the highest bidder. That's a good backstory, but you don't see that play into anything when we actually come across him instead he has a giant statue of himself and that's the big plot point he's centered around along with locking up Ryoichi Cooper for allegedly poisoning the Shogun with bad sushi.
Meanwhile you have Rajan in Sly 2 who became a rich and powerful lord for creating and selling illegal spices or Don Octavio who pumps tar into the waters of Venice and sink buildings for anyone who didn't come to opera recital. Sure, there are some villains in the past where it kinda stretches the imagination like Sir Raleigh having a weather machine that creates powerful storms to sink ships or whenever Dark/Black Magic was involved, but there was still the underlying tone of intimidation that these were legit villains.
This isn't a bad game, but it lacks impact that the previous ones had or that was too afraid to actually have some dark undertones involved.
I have a few things I'd like to bring up about this game. A few theories it created I guess that I have thought a lot about and need to share somewhere. Don't know if anyone will care or read this but I still feel the need to get out my thoughts.
First is if the games really end with Sly being stuck in Egypt what are the odds that Sly is actually his own ancestor that started the cooper thieving line to begin with? That he is Slytunkhamen. This isn't counting people like Bob for instance who was not intelligent enough to start any legacy or plans. But if Sly ended up stranded and needed to start a new life there...could be. It would explain the 'Sly' at the start of the name. Also if I am not mistaken aside from Bob, Slytunkhamen is the furthest back we have seen.
Now an interesting prospect evil Penelope creates this: We can see clockwork in the back pictures in Slytunkhamen's entries so that means Clockwork goes back that far. In those past times how did he turn himself into a robot to start with? They didn't have the tech, however with Penelope's genius, time travel and new hatred for Sly it could be argued that she went back and helped Clockwork become a robot to start with.
Also I don't think Clockwork managed to kill any of them, like you said. I think the line we are seeing in Sly Cooper is Sly's direct family line and if they had all died he wouldn't have been born. They all had to survive long enough to have kids at least. And if clockwork killed them, he continued to be unable to kill their kids over and over. What I think is more likely is that Sly's line wasn't the only cooper line. After all, are we saying none of the coopers ever had more than one kid? Is it some rule to only have the one? I think Clockwork is the reason we only got Sly left in the cooper family now. He failed at killing the one line but may have others.
And lastly not really a theory but I would love if a game went more into Clockwork. All we know about him is he was so jealous of the Coopers that he made himself into a robot so he could hunt them to extinction. Why though? Why so jealous? It would be interesting to later learn If Clockwork had more of a reason to hate them than we originally knew. Something the cooper family didn't pass down for unsavory reasons. It just seems so small a thing to got to such great lengths. I'd be into more of his story.
I know some holes here or there but still fun to think about
To be honest, I did like Thieves in Time, but they could improve greatly. Thw prehistoric level, but I strongly expressed that it needs the most improvement. The story of the gang being sent to prehistoric Australia then finding the Grizz by sheer luck was weak. Also we don't see a clan of cave raccoons and the story of Bob's capture was also weak, even just giving him a bland name like, Bob, didn't sit too well. Carmelita was also a big issue. Not only her design, but her gameplay. You can megajump right off the bat and what happened to her megakick? One you ability you have to buy, the other is completely removed, she's one of the BEST characters in the series.
Very True man, well structured I can agree that the Prehistoric Ice Age Chapter needed more polish, especially the whole thing with Bob and yeah Carmilita Fox was dragged in the mud in Thieves in Time a bit more than needed, I can agree with that.
Yeah the only think I actually liked was her voice actress she did an amazing job
I know this is a bit of a trivial nitpick to some, but I really wished that they wrote the whole amnesia plot a bit better; like, they could have implied that both Carmelita and Sly came to a mutual agreement that his memory loss was bullshit, so they kept it as a coverup for their own little secret so they could be together.
Then again, Carmelita is the same character who couldn't recognize Sly in the second mission from Sly 2 just cos he took off his hat and wore half a tuxedo to a ballroom dance, sooo yeah.
TLDR Thieves in Time was kind of a sinking ship that took a physical assault on my OTP.
well Carmelita is part of the cooper gang now which is way better if you asked me.
I kinda want to see the stealth and acrobatics mechanics of Sly cooper expanded upon in the sequel possibly taking inspiration from Jak and Ratchet’s movesets
Would be the perfect opportunity for Sly 5
I have mixed emotions with Sly 4, TBH. It was the first time I've ever heard of Sly Cooper, which made me go back and try the original 3 and fall in love with the series... I loved Rioichi, Tennessee, and Galleth.... but holy shit did the game get so sloppy as it got closer towards the ending... ESPECIALLY with the ending. On a scale of 1 to 10... I'd give it a 6/10.
Same I played before the first to third
As much as I loved the Sly Cooper Trilogy, the Thieves in Time just wasn't cutting it.
I'll give it props though. The gameplay was fun, the animation and voice acting were top notch, missions were replayable, the music was nice, they brought back the Clue Bottles, Carmelita became a playable character instead of just once in a while, the levels were beautiful, Mini/Side Missions were fun and the arcade gameplay was worth playing again.
The Cons though...
The storyline was a huge mess up, the characters were written so poorly, Penelope was made as a villain with THE worst excuse of WHY she became a villain, the main boss looked and felt more like this sidekick minion to a bigger boss than ClockWerk and Dr.M, we got a cliffhanger that's STILL left unanswered a decade later, no DLCs for the game episode wise, characters that were in the Sly 3 game were not brought back (Exception for Dimitir and Penelope) or made playable...
I'd play the game again, but not on certain levels, like Penelope's Boss Fight. (After I beat it I mean.)
The game felt as though the writers at Sanzaru tried TOO hard and just made it a completely different alternate Sly game that nobody liked.
Like, with the Spyro and Crash games, at LEAST the storylines made sense, the characters weren't written poorly and the gameplay was worth playing the game again.
The writers for TiT, just didn't put the thought, love and care into this game like the writers at Sucker Punch had. I guess that's why everyone loved the trilogy, but most fans just didn't liked TiT game.
Also, the fans that has theories that "Penelope became a bad guy after listening in on Dr.M's conversation with Sly's friends, became bad because of doubts, blah blah blah!" They MIGHT be on the right track, but some theories aren't flying by.
My theory, is that Penelope could've had a twin sibling (As an example), who got bitter and jealous of Penelope and her overall achievements and accomplishments. So bitter and jealous, that she decides to work for Le Paradox and use her sister to build the time machine, maybe even going so far as to blackmail Penny to build it, or she'd hunt down Bentley and threaten his life.
They are making a new Sly game apparently, and my reason for it not coming out is story leaks (we had the name of every chapter and what they were about, we even knew who the main villain was) and probably other things that has it in development hell
I never owned the Sly Cooper games and only played the Thieves in Time demo and I thought it was a good game, but I wish Sly Cooper gets a new game/Sly 5 since he's been left on a cliffhanger and that I can get to know more about the franchise
Hmm, I'd say my thoughts on this game are just about the same as yours. I throughly enjoyed playing as Rioichi Cooper and especially Tennesse 'Kid' Cooper, liked the idea of Caveman 'Bob' Cooper being the oldest ancestor and ever time Cyrille Le Paradox opened his mouth I find it difficult to hide a smile plus Miss Decibel was pretty amusing too. Other than that I agree with just about all your other points especially about Bob, Sir Galleth Cooper and Salim al-Kupar not being as unique as the other two ancestors and I too am disappointed the this game ended where it did with nothing to follow.
Honestly, I'm just glad we got more Sly Cooper, and hopefully will again, someday.
Technically speaking, Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric was done by Big Red Button. Sanzaru handled the 3DS Sonic Boom games. Which, they tried fixing the problems Shattered Crystal had, with Fire & Ice.
I'll just say again that Sanzaru made the Sonic Boom games on 3DS, not Rise of Lyric. As for Spyro 3, I can only imagine they were brought on board because some higher ups wanted to put the game out that holiday, and one team just wasn't enough in such a short window of time.
Only thing I hated was Penelope villain reveal
6:07 Do you WANT to create a time paradox, CGE!? Because that's a good way to do it!
CGE is reaching Caddicarus/Scott The Woz levels of humor and sarcasm, and I'm lovin it!
No one beats caddi.... bitch please
I pretty much agree perfectly. The game started off extremely good, but around the half way point of chapter 3, the game just runs out of steam pretty fast for me...
I agree that making Bob, Galeth, and Salem all having more unique functions would be really nice. Imagine Galeth having more unique combat functions to tie in with his more brash and reckless nature, while not being nearly as good at sneaking around and such. Or Salem's carpet not losing height over time, and functioning as a straight line glide so he could reach places Sly couldn't
Sanzaru didn't make Sonic Boom Rise of Lyric. They made the the 3DS games Shattered Crystal and Fire and Ice.
as a kid, when i first played sly 4, i loved it. i was, like, 7 when it came out and learned about it a year or two later. since i grew up playing the first 3 games on my grandma's ps2, i was just glad to see sly and his friends again on another adventure. sure, it felt a little off, but it was just really cool.
now, im just..disappointed. i sorta glorified it in my head so when i picked it up again i was disappointed. the first 3 games are just as good as i remembered, but the 4th...just didn't measure up to my expectations.
As for my take on the game, as long as we're around offering opinions on it, might as well throw in my two cents into the mix.
The game is OK, not a completely bad game for sure as it does show a whole ton of promise as a direct follow up on the original trilogy as far as Gameplay goes. Sticking with what the last two games were going for wasn't a completely bad approach for sure and I do appreciate the effort they made in trying to add more to what was already there like an expanded hideout, special abilities with each costume for Sly and having the much talked about ancestors from the previous games become playable themselves, that alongside the in-game graphics are all I can appreciate for sure as well some jobs here and there. The problem comes from being inconsistent with the many choices they made, with each good to come, there's always a bad to go along with them. Whilst I like the in-game graphics and the mostly stable 60 FPS, the animated cutscenes just completely miss the point of what they were going with in the previous games' ones. Having an expanded hideout, whilst it is a pretty dope, just adds to the loading screens' length in between going in and out, especially thanks in part to the ping pong table that serves literally no purpose. Whilst I like the return of treasures as well as how all of them add to another reward, the amount of coins you get from them doesn't make it worth getting over pickpocketing and the clue bottles should've just stayed where they were in past games(for those wondering, I liked these in the 1st game's linear levels, not so much in the 2nd game's open hub worlds so yeah). Whilst Sly himself controls fine enough in this game(for better or for worse) Bentley and Murray don't have as much mobility as they did in the 3rd game which isn't helped much by the expanded size of the hubs themselves, not that it matters anyways as you hardly play as them that much in the game. Whilst the ancestors being playable is a great idea, they all control basically the exact same way as Sly just with a new move to go along with them, Caveman Cooper being the only real standout and not even for any of the good reasons. As for the jobs themselves; I will be fair and say there were definitely jobs I never liked much in the previous games, TNT barrels, turret sections and a lot of other vehicles here and there with a few exceptions, but in this game; I can only really say I liked about 21 (give or take) out of all 42 jobs/heists in this game and that includes stuff that's fresh and has to do with the core Gameplay or is just stuff I would be doing in past games, with only a few standout jobs that actually got my mind racing in a great way which sucks.
So yeah, overall the Gameplay and presentation was a hit and miss for me but maybe I would've considered this a good game if the story was good, and unfortunately the less said about that the better.
Personally for me, Sly 4 is a great game- one of my favouritesin the series in fact. I didn't even mind TOO much the plot twist in episode 4 (which I saw coming a mile off BTW, when I saw the name Black Knight). Though I think it's a shame it happened, it wasn't exactly completely out of character for Penelope. They met her on a shady online chat room for a start, and she had already proven in her episode in Sly 3 that she was willing to play dirty to win the ACES competition. Maybe she thought joining the Cooper gang would set her up for a lifetime of getting riches, and was secretly disappointed when they disbanded. Don't get me wrong though, I was hoping deep down that by the end of Sly 4 it had turned out she'd just been hypnotised or something
I like Sly Cooper 4.
But I know that the direction it took was not the best one.
I still can't get over Penelope's betraysl. That was the part where I finally said: "GOD DAMN IT THAT'S IT!"
And the secret ending OH! I was like:
"...WHAT?! IS THAT ALL?!"
I mean, I really enjoyed Sly 4, the story was really interesting and had it's great points during the pace of it, like the fact that Sly tried to apologize with Carmelita but she didn't listening to him after his facade.
Or him meeting his ancestors.
The time travel thing was something risky, when it comes to it, it must exist a consistence in the story and how the time travel works in that universe to make sense.
At the end, I liked the game, and still hoping Sly make his comeback one day.
Honestly, what turned me off most about this game is that after binge playing the sucker punch trilogy this game messed with my muscle memory for the Binocucom, as the controls were inverted, which made this game unplayable for me during a timed section of the game. Not to mention, the long abandoned SIXAXIS controls were used for this game for some reason, despite it being the end of the life cycle for the PS3, which made this game unplayable with a third party controller. This forced me to go out and buy an official DualShock 3, which proved to be easier said than done smh At least for a decent price anyway. I'd rather use an offset controller or DualShock 4, but this game is like, nope. DualShock 3 only
Interesting take. For me, it was Penelope’s role.
I believe Sly's mother was a fox from the family photos in Sly 1.
I like sly Cooper but am sad that it went downhill and I hope they make the new game bc I love sly cooper
For me Penelope's betrayal was what made me shelve the game for a while before forcing myself to finish it out of boredom.
The cell shaded graphics, Linear gameplay, great characters are what I feel made Sly Cooper awesome they still had that in Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time it just went downhill.
lets be honest, we should have had the scotish cooper instead of a caveman
What about Penelope being the Black Knight as well as being in liege with Le Paradox (worst sly Cooper villain in my opinion)? That was total character assassination on her part. If you played the third game, Penelope had a crush on Sly in the China level but when she realized that Bentley had feelings for her in the Pirate level, she ended up with the turtle because they both had a lot in common, such as being smart, good at tech and help getting the Cooper Gang out of sticky situations. But due to the logic of the fourth game, Penelope hates Sly because she feels like he's getting in the way of her relationship with Bentley and wants to kill him by siding with a Skunk Art Thief, who just let her get arrested and took all of the credit for stealing Sir Gallath's Lance when she did all of the hard work herself.
I would like to say that Le Paradox is the worst part of this game as well as the worst villain in the Sly Cooper series. He wants to get revenge for his family because they were overshadowed by the Cooper Clan, which was Clockwerk's backstory. He also wants to kill Sly because his dad got his dad sent to jail for trying for stealing the prized Ruby, even though Le Paradox's dad was gloating that he was going to frame Conner for the Ruby Theft. Le Paradox just sat on his ass in his fancy blimp while his time traveling lieutenants stole the canes from Riorichi, Tennessee Kid, Bob, Sir Gallath and Salim Al Kupar. And when his lieutenants gave him the canes, Le Paradox just leaves them to get arrested and take all of their credit for stealing the canes from the Cooper Clan. There's also the whole making fact documents that established his family as royalty which is both stupid and nonsensical, why would he be interested in being King or Emperor when his main goal is to wipe the Cooper Clan for overshadowing his family.
I actually like Thieves in Time tbh. I will admit that there are some issues, such as how some gameplay elements felt more tacked on than others like the sabertooth costume. Rioichi is my favorite ancestor and I enjoyed Tennessee and Galleth. I can’t say I remembered the remaining two that much though. That being said, probably the gripe I have with the game the most is the plot and how it portrayed some of its characters.
Of course it could never be as good as the originals but I was really enjoying it right up until Penelope. That just took it from a 8 to a 4 for me
I will say I actively enjoyed the world building of the game. I liked Rioichi and Tennessee, with the latter being my favorite. Sir Galleth being voiced by Yuri Lowenthal was a treat and I found him quite entertaining. Bob and Salim were just kinda there for me, with Bob being...borderline pointless. Like, we didn't gain anything from his level, his level felt like it was kinda thrown there in the last minute. Cause as much as I didn't care for Grizz, he could have also worked in an Egyptian level like what they hinted at the end, compared to cave art etc.
But I think the hugest turn off of the game for me was story and characters. Like our core characters...I guess lacked their usual charm? 1-3 I loved Carmelita, she was insufferable in this game. Sly was annoying and for a guy who had the utmost respect for his ancestors in the previous games, it was kinda not present here at all. But that could be more of a "don't meet your heroes" thing. Murray and Bentley borderline regressed/went through the same character development they already had to a degree? And then there's the biggest plot hole with Penelope???? (despite me actually enjoying the theories that come from this plot twist) Given that...at the end of 3, Sly basically left them with the loot in the vault. So her motivations were extremely sketchy to me. And the fact it ended on a cliffhanger with them having no intentions to continue it just kinda made it all the worse for me, cause now no clarification. I dunno, maybe it's just me but the core characters felt super off in this game and it makes it hard for me to do the story half the time, despite how much I enjoy the game play.
We already had a buff Cooper in Slaigh don't know why they had to make up their own Cooper with Bob when they're literally so many Cooper ancestors already established and that we wanted to see.
I think, narratively, it makes sense for Bob to kind of suck. Unlike all the other Coopers, he has no handbook to guide him. He was the OG.
Yknow im pretty sure that’s when I put the game down. But I do want to revisit it sometime
To me it's the second best one. Sly 2 being the best.
Before video:
In my opinion the prologue and chapter 1 is understandable, they haven’t been in the field for a while so they’re rusty and as such do some stuff they wouldn’t have in previous games.
Chapter 2: this is where they were supposed to pull up their none existent pants and start to get serious but lollipop.
Chapter 3: they really should’ve not had a time travel opponent here, instead they should’ve had it be a local that had some of the pieces they’d need to get back and Bob seeing Sly’s cane could’ve lead up him making his own as the final mission comes.
Chapter 4: complete and total failure.
Chapter 5: this should’ve been a much earlier chapter in my opinion possibly even the second chapter as it would much earlier set up time paradox explanations and could’ve helped the tone much better further down the line.
plus they should remake SLY 4 but make it in a way like, take Rioichi, hes known for being the one that came up with ninja jump, Tennessee Kid Cooper was famous for getting away by grinding on train rails,
you see the pattern ? the stages should have been made around their signature abilities instead of a reskin of slys
Did you notice the clockwork easter egg where he is in every timeline accept for Sly's
So I know this is a Sly Cooper video but I have a theory about Crash 4. So in the original leak image (the one where Toys for Bob was doing a charity thing and the crash 4 designs got leaked.) I noticed the N. Trophy looked very different in his costume. I also noticed in the opening cutscene of Crash 4 inside the machine N. Trophy was using there was some device thing that looked like N. Trophy's helmet in the scrapped concept art. So I was thinking, maybe N. Trophy had a scrapped phase where he would enter that costume and fight us.
Just checked about sanzaru, and their 2 last games asgard wrath 1 and 2 are amazing, they found their footing with vr.
I think that twist given to Bentley and his girlfriend was a terrible one. I'm a bit surprised you didn't mention this here, because you did mention it in your RRR episode about Sly Cooper.
Sly 5: Redemption Arc?
I love sly cooper theavs in time
7:07 gonna stop ya right there, my good man
That was on Big Red Button, Not Sanzaru.
Sanzaru did the Sonic Boom 3DS games
I honestly have to say, I think the disguise system is why the ancestors feel so...blah near the end. Those additions, fun as they were, meant that they needed 2 unique abilities in every time period, one for general use, and one for situational, and because of that, they tended to make the general use one the more fun one to play with, so they could design the bosses around it.
As a good for instance, what if Salim could slow time. His sections would be far more interesting, especially designing it around that, but then you wouldn't have Sly able to use it. Or Bob? What if HE were the one able to super pounce and jump between enemies, smashing into them, but needing a bigger target, like Roichi's power, but more beastial. Then for Gallant, what if his lance doubled as a longbow, and you could stop to fire arrows, switching between a few elements Legend of Zelda style? With the Rope arrows being for certain parts, but able to do fire, ice, and later lightning thanks to a Bently Upgrade?
But no, they wanted the ability to use those more generally, and Sly is the lead, so he had to have the cooler powers. Invincible suit of Armor, rolling ball that is good for straight aways and slopes, vs Super Jumping and Shooting are less dire, and more giving the otherwise light Sly weight, which allowed for interesting mixes.
Anyway, that's just some random thoughts on it.
How did you manage to not even touch on the WORST aspect. . . the costumes. If there's one thing the game messed up, it's the lesser move-set. Both the lacking theifnet abilities as well as sly's default abilities. They just don't stack up to what sly can do in 2 and 3. The costumes examplify this. An ability shouldn't be a gimmik for a very specific scripted instance on the map.
When I was playing the game, sly felt less like the "field man" and more like "the costume guy". It did what balan wonderworld did but before they even made the mistake. I'd also argue that the maps felt less intresting than the maps in the games that came before it.
*Infact, I have a request:*
Can you do a tier list video of the maps/worlds from 2, 3, and 4. I really wanna see how they all compare with you. That, and it's just good content.
To this day the best example of a platformer with a costume gimmick is ape escape 3.
I’ll watch it again! I don’t care if I’m crazy!!
Tennessee Cooper is Sly great great grandfather from the mid late 1800s
The game didn't need time travel. It didn't need to have sly act totally out of character. And it didn't need the black knight twist.
Sly 4 was okay for me, I also wonder why Sly didn’t have the cane dual wield ability from the 2nd game to climb the ice walls, plus there’s one sly mask that Sly can just reach with his parachute on one of the ice walls in the 3rd period which Bob usually reaches. I still enjoyed the game, but upset there’s a cliffhanger.
Also fans said that Sly 3 had a perfect ending to it for the series, which Sly fakes amnesia and lives with Carmelita in retirement, sort of.
Sly 4 may have had a bomb in the market, but the cliffhanger still needs to be fixed, a 5th game with a perfect ending like the 3rd, that’s what we need, please Sony, save Sly!!!!😣
I wonder what Sly's ancestor Huckleberry Cooper was like?
I plan to resolve a lot of the plot holes of Thieves in Time in my fan-made Sly sequel - Cooper: Court of Thieves. I'm aiming to honor all 4 previous games but bring back the tone of the original trilogy 🙂.
With the ancestors I agree the first two were the best followed by the fifth one, then the fourth one and Bob is questionable if he’s actually a Cooper or not.
I liked the game play, personally I really hated Bob but other ancestors were fine. But what really got me was when sanzaru changed past cutscenes to look like sly was afraid of carmelita, when he was actually just flirting and smirking while gliding away sanzaru made him have a panicked expression and ugh it just....
It went downhill when they left sly in egypt and had no plans for a sequel to Sly 4.
Originally Thaddeus Cooper is Sly great grandfather and Otto von Cooper is Sly grandfather
I remember loving this game in high school. I just started replaying it, so I'll see if my feelings have changed.
I hate the twist in the medieval level. They even had another villain who was a hypnotist, and didn’t do anything with that. Trying to break the mind control might have made an interesting side plot, but no. No, she is actually part of team bad guy of her own free will. I call bs.
Yeah they could’ve had an entire start arc In the fifth chapter about how she used her hypnotic powers on the black knight for months on end practically destroying any semblance of who she once was, possibly irreversible so.
haven't seen it yet, but I'm predicting its when they broke the boss pattern in the ice age where it was all about climbing then suddenly... ice skating!?
A sly cooper remastered collection would revive the franchise similar to crash and could open it up for sequels
To be honest, I really like Sly Cooper 4: Thieves in Time. It's very awesome game of Sly Cooper franchise. 🙂👍
Same I honestly love the game myself with the story and characters and especially the gameplay I understand people may not like sly 4 but I thought it was a fantastic game and sanzaru games did a really good job with it and hopefully they'll get the chance to make the next one 😋
Sir Galleth Cooper originally lived in the late 1400s in England
I LOVE how people still adore sly, even tho the last game was in 2014
It’s been a few years since I played it but from what I remember bobs level is weird, I got turned around a lot and I never got the layout in my head like I did in the other games.
Also that stupid Traning season they did with Bob made me so angry I had a lot of trouble getting through it, it wasn’t even hard it was just tedious the whole time I just wanted to get back to the main game.
The thing that finally made me trade it in was one of clue bottles (or the equivalent i seem to remember they are slightly different) on bobs level was glitchy, it was in one of the mini games you play as Bentley. I double checked multiple walkthroughs. I was already slightly annoyed this just pushed me over the edge.
I did complete the game but I can’t remember the end battle at all like the other games might I add that I played them over 15 years ago and still remember vividly.
I talked about sly 4 so much I don't want to anymore, in detail anyway. To sum it up, I hated
The new style that looked like a modern, cheap kid show made in flash and sly was more childish instead of the cool mischievous dude.
The music sounded cheap as well, but that is to be expected with this style.
The gadgets disappeared, making the series take a solid step back.
What the fuck did they do to penelope and bentley!? I guess bentley hasn't suffered enough
It ran like dog water on the ps3 because it was clearly made for the vita, but they ported it to ps3 just for sony to boast about the cross play/save capability of vita.
Overall plot was meh. I mean comeon
Sly 1- sly wants revenge for his parents death and recover thievious raccoonue
Sly 2- sly wants to stop the assembly of sly parents killer
Sly 3- sly wants to claim his heritage and go down memory lane seeking the fleeing memory of his ancestors, but mainly dad.
Sly 4- once again, thievious raccoonus, but time travel and 4 more sly coopers but different and one bob. Why? Because once again, sly's dad made enemies and sly takes shit for it.. AGAIN!
It was 8 years after the relase of sly 3, there was time to develop something truly amazing, nope. They pulled an ubisoft (when it comes to tom clancy stuff) and flushed it down the shitter.
Don't forget the dumb costume gimmick. >_>
That was a mechanic that the game DEFINITELY could have done without >.>
@@Hadeks_Marow atleast something from the gadget stuck tho'. But when it comes to costumes, the fucking carmelite fan service belly dance. That was actually ugly.
@@uggZymoroon No, sorry, I mean the costume mechanic for sly like the archer, or the one that interacts with piniatas.
@@Hadeks_Marow I get it, but still. Te carmelita thing was pretty nasty.
I love this the most Sly Cooper 1 and Sly Cooper 2 oh highness Sly Cooper 3
Not worried Sly Cooper 4
now the number for is trash in the way episode 3 is my fair one episode 5 episode 2 those are my favorite episode and Sly Cooper 4
I bought Sly 4 and when I came back home to play it my ps3 broke, it never even got out of the disc case. RIP
Two of the abilities sly can eventually purchase in these in time are kind of interesting, because one of them Rioichi Cooper also has even though not a lot of people realize it and one of them Tennessee kid Cooper should’ve had but for some reason didn’t. As you play through the game one of the abilities you can eventually buy for sly is called stealth run, Or silent sprint or something like that, but anyway this ability allows sly to sprint past guards without getting detected like he normally would without it.Rioichi Cooper has this ability by default. At a different point in the game and ability for sly becomes available to purchase called rail sprint or something like that, and it always confused me as to why Tennessee kid Cooper couldn’t do that by default. Especially considering Rioichi Cooper’s special ability is an extension of the ninja spire landing which he invented. So then wouldn’t it make sense for the character who invented the rail walk and rail slide to also have an ability by default that’s a slight upgrade to that such as the rail run or rail sprinter or whatever it’s called. Tennessee kid Cooper is a cool character one of the few characters in the entire franchise Who is a hero and carries a gun. The gunslinging being the main focus of Tennessee’s move set is definitely the right choice, but Rioichi gets both A unique upgrade to the ability he invented and I guess just because he’s a “ninja"his Sprint by default is also the stealth version.
It's funny saying that is recycled when he learned is skills from the book that "was created" by the ancestors, of course you will see skills he used in previous games, they were the ones that created.
I wonder if Sly has a Canadian ancestor Eh?
I really love the idea of Penelope being the main villain in the sequel, which is another obstacle SLY(and the gang) need to overcome, and the fact that Carmalita is now part of the cooper gang :), not to mention adding new ancestors.
I tried playing it several times since it came out, and I’ve always stopped at the prehistoric area. Never knew why, and I still don’t. Something about that part of the game just isn’t fun anymore. I’m also not a fan of them basically saying the third games ending didn’t matter and all the character development sly went through was for nothing. I love how sucker punch ended the series, and clear intentions to move on from it.
If PlayStation green lights another sly project in the future I think it should be
A) remastered trilogy in the likes of crash or Spyro
Or b) an uncharted lost legacy type spin off where the main characters aren’t sly and the gang. Maybe they could flesh out a single ancestor and give them their own storyline that expands the universe. Maybe a prequel, like a game leading up to clockwerk and the fiendish five. There are several options they could go with, but I just don’t think sly, as a character, should continue to receive stories.
The pre historic level sucks. Most of the missions in that are terrible. Chasing the penguins, tailing the grizz, working out as Bob. A lot of weird story moments as well with Murray getting depressed for not being able to climb and ice wall which he's never been able to do before
Legit for me, it's the very first cutscene. It was right then and there i knew it was gunna be a mess. TiT could have been ANY OTHER CHARACTER and i would have liked it more.
5:20 actually no
Galleth can’t jump higher than sly
Sly actually gets nerfed when he attempts to jump on hooks that are intended for galliith
I thought the story was garbage, and Le Paradox (awful name for a villain in a TIME TRAVEL GAME!) Was a bottom of the barrel Saturday morning cartoon villain.
Clockwork said in Sly 1 "You Coopers ALWAYS find a way to beat me." I don't think he killed any of Sly's ancestors before his parents, but he did face them all and get defeated by them all. What if someone went back in time to create Clockwork (how else would a robot cyborg bird exist in 3000 B.C.?) And Sly goes back in time to help all his ancestors defeat Clockwork.
OMG BOB CANNOT EVEN JUMP AND PRESS THE CIRCLE BUTTON 😫😫😫
Oh yh fun fact = they nerfed sly's cane hook jump for sir galath to be useful
To me, what made me dislike the game a bit, it was the Ice Age level and Bob's level, simply due to Bob's existence.
Now obviously, Bob can exist as there other ancestors before Slytunkhamen, but the thing I'm questioning is... How did Le Paradox find out? Le Paradox plan was to go through time and steal the ancestors canes, meaning he MUST have known about Bob. But how do you find an ancestor that there's no record of? There is no mention of Bob in the Thievius Raccoonus because Slytunkhamen was the one who started it and Sly himself didn't even know of his existence. So how did Le Paradox find out when Sly himself didn't?
The games story is most likely what everyone focuses on whenever Sly 4 is brought up. Mainly the inclusion of Bob, Penelope's arc, & of course the cliffhanger ending being the primary points of criticism. And I actually don't mind all of that...except the cliffhanger ending, that shouldn't have even happened to begin with.
I personally can't speak about the gameplay, because I'm yet to even play it myself. Only the story-related aspects.
The gameplay is fine. In this case, the story is the biggest point of contention
Penelope
Nice to see a fellow Vic supporter!
7:06 rise of lyric was not by sanzaru, that was big red button. sanzaru did shattered crystal and fire & ice on 3ds.
also hot take, i actually like sonic boom rise of lyric.
I was really enjoying this game right up until the point my playstation died.
A re upload? Strange....
Last one didn't render properly and as a result, caused some editing to look bad here and there.
And about the third world: shall we talk about the fact that the Cooper Gang found out about Gritz's plan COMPLETELY BY ACCIDENT? Like: Bentley used Murray's fossil fossil necklane as desperate move to save themself since the car was out of control, but in the end other than saving them, it also BROUGHT THEM RIGHT WHEN THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO GO NEXT. That's one of the worst cases of cheap writing you could find in storytelling.
I agree on Episode 3 being lame, World 4 had charme to me with his Characters AND except for his Ability and the weird Plottwist. World 5 is a bit in miscredit here imo. The World, Character and Story line go up high again for me. I even like the epilogue level a lot with all coming together, except for that brutal cliffhanger.
I like Sly 4 a lot, but i can see the difficulties the game has, f.e. the loooong loading times...
Maybe i have Fanboy glasses on here, but i had a great experience with it and enjoyed almost every second.
I’m pretty sure you did hint at the worst moment for you in a sort of mini-review ages ago? I love your sly cooper content on this channel however!
Canadian guy eh can you do a video on Sly Cooper having potential remaster games to all consoles?
I didn’t mind the Prehistoric world, but I immediately disliked the game when I found out who the boss of World 4 is.
I agree, acts 1 & 2 are fantastic! 3 is terrible. 4 & 5 are.... meh. Oh, Egypt? I want to play Sly-tonkamen! Oh... cliffhanger? What other 4 mediocre acts are going to follow in Sly 5? And... we're just now hearing of MAYBE Sly 5.
The game goes down hill during the ending. But Salem is pretty funny.
Respectfully disagree with ya on this. Episode 3 was one of my favorites alongside Episode 2. For the ancestors: all the Cooper clan moves, sans Tennessee's crackshot, felt like minor reworked or updated special abilities from Sly to begin with. So that never bothered me. I did enjoy Bob for not being a complete riff off of Sly.
Despite the questionable twist of the game, I quite enjoyed Sly 4. Worst Episode of the series isn't even in this game for me, but rather Sly 3. That pirate level was obnoxious.
I never had a problem with it. Felt like every other Sly game to me, just with different settings. I mean it's the third sequel in the series, it's never going to be "as good as the original". I never understood people's problem with this game.
I didn't mind the Penelope betrayal just wish they gave her a better reason than her wanting money
Dude, it sucked. Sanzaru dropped the ball with that pitiful excuse of a twist.
I'm pretty sure her reasoning was that Bentley could've done anything besides be a petty thief with his 4 million IQ and being Sly's little helper was holding him back.
@@l0ker507 @L0ker when she was revealed she said that if Bentley was with her and not Sly she said that they could have made millions in weapons design
@@l0ker507 Here's the thing Sly was already retired and left that life behind him so how can Sly "hold Bentley back"? And plus Bentley was no longer a thief anymore ever since The Cooper Gang disbanded after Sly 3 and plus Sly literally handed Bentley & Penelope his entire Family Fortune an accumulated wealth built up for centuries since 1400BC That's gotta be like Trillions upon Trillions of money in that vault right at their finger tips, no strings attached. And we've seen Bentley & Penelope collected all of it and build a new Cooper vault at their hideout. If you remember at the end of Sly 3's Ending Cutscene. Sly was trying to end the comparisons to his Father & his Ancestors before him where they were selfish and refuse to give or share the Cooper Fortune to their collogues or teammates Sly trying to prove he can learn from his ancestor's mistakes and be better than them and Sly realized that Carmelita is all he needs in life not his Family's wealth so he gave it all up to his friends to keep, that's what caused Dr. M to cut ties with Sly's Father's gang with McSweeney and why he became so overly obsessed with attaining the Cooper Fortune all to himself all those years after Sly's Father died.