This may be a hot take, but I think someone like Saturn gets destroyed by Kizaru in combat. Saturn was getting his attacks blocked by Chopper and Brook cut his leg off and that sort of thing. Saturn only wins by technicality because of his regen. We know Admirals are capable of fighting for days and days because of Akainu and Aokiji's fight. I really think Kizaru would kick his ass for 5 days straight, but then eventually run out of stamina and "lose".
Kizaru literally got his body blow up by apoo, kuzan got broken into pieces by pre time skip luffy, literally can say the same bout Kizaru he’s carried by his logia, Saturn has shown better feats than Kizaru
@@memeaccount8309 when did Bonney ever blitz Saturn lmfaoooo and no diffed by kuma what bro got punch that’s it, and kaido killed literally no one in wano ain’t really anything if someone don’t die when they should, also we don’t even know if the vice admiral alive, Kizaru couldn’t put down Franky, Sanji tanked Kizaru light kick akainu begging kuma to slow down, Saturn a fraud but the admiral are by the the biggest frauds
@@Ehstynago i hate when ppl bring terrible feats like this. Was kizaru trying against fodder like apoo? No. Its like kaido letting the new gen hit him and see what they are capable of or u can argue kizaru was high and couldnt be asked dodging
that depends on who you have at emperor level... As the video shows so perfectly, the Gorosei are pretty clearly as strong, or stronger then Big Mom or Kizaru
I'd say At Mid Yonko level cuz Gear 5 Luffy was toying with Kaido and Kaido struggled and then we all know what happened in Wano Arc. The Gorosei put some effort for fighting Luffy and although Luffy wasn't bloodlusted he clearly used more techniques and the fights were longer but then again I don't think they are Yonko level individually but more as a group (for now at least)
6:05 the gorosei were trying to preserve the island? venus literally cut the labophase in half and let it fall to the ground💀💀💀. and saturn shot projectiles that make an explosion so big it hit 3 of the elders. the worm was constantly destroying stuff by burrowing and vacuuming stuff. the bird was shooting flame breath at buildings. topman was walking around as a giant boar shooting conquers haki everywhere which we have seen can cause collateral damage even in its most basic form. and the seraphim were ordered to destroy the lab earlier in the arc
That was a last ditch attempt . They stopped caring about stuff because they were panicked by the broadcast. Nusjuro already preserved the Pacifista when the situation was a bit more tame .
I'd honestly say there somewhere around Mid-tier Shichibukai level or Commander level, but w/ extremely broken hacks. Just like how the Seraphims can be outmaneuvered by stronger fighters, but they are hard to defeat due to their Lunarian hax. And considering the latest chapter where Saturn got smoked by Imu, I think some people are right that they aren't devil fruit users. It's probably an extension of Imu's powers & for all we know maybe even their haki is too. Considering how everyone was hitting them left & right & Saturn couldn't even manage to harm Robin & the weaker Strawhat members it really makes the power of the Elders all over the place. But it's really up in the air & until we see them fight a truly major battle, we won't know. So see you guys in 4-12 years. LOL!
question… if kizaru fed luffy as you say then you would think he would stay down & not kill VP right? but he killed him so what would be the reason to feed him if he wasn’t going to let luffy save VP? honestly i hate the topic bc it just sounds like cope… he fed luffy just so he can kill VP? it just sounds so fucking backwards & makes no sense at all
The Gorosei are still a big unknown tbh, we’ve seen them blatantly perform around yonko level and are still somehow IMMORTAL on top of that yet they haven’t used ANY haki except for Papa Pig using basic conquerors haki which had enough force to throw around gear 5 Luffy yet they have statements from Jimbei as u said where he says their Haki is insane even though he ignores it around Luffy and Bigmom so their haki should be stronger than at least theirs
Ranking them until we have an actual answer to how to get past their regen is a pain. For now I will assume that you need top tier Haki (ACoC) to get past their regen and then you need to pummel them enough for them to reach some type of damage threshold where their regen stops working. So the only characters with a chance to put them down individually would be Imu, Shanks, Luffy, Kaido, Big Mom and then other top tier characters who I believe will have ACoC revealed like Blackbeard, Mihawk, Akainu, Dragon... But like ShadX said it may just be that their invincible until Imu is defeated.
@@Ehstynago Well then the only other option would be that you need to first defeat Imu for their regen to stop working. But in that case you can argue they are stronger than Roger and WB. So it's pointless to scale them at all.
I think Oda has not truly revealed the true nature of haki If you loon back at every moment haki was used. It sort of allows the user to overcome anything with ambition. If that us true it confirms why it can affect devil fruits since maybe Haki literally was 1 factor why Devil Fruits spawned I've always said that were made by The Moon People maybe they went to earth and gave a magical seed And haki, haki is the person's spirit being manipulated through sheer willpower. I mean look at Zoro, he wanted to cut steel and moments later he managed to do it when his ambition grew stronger through flashbacks of the crew and mihawk Law got turned into a woman and with only his willpower he manipulated his entire DNA to turn back into a man
@@nikjovan4816 as of right now I would say they are since they does not seem to be a limit to they regeneration even the Joyboy blast only sent them away Saturn was unharmed from it
I think the Gorosei have just diabolical strength but near to 0 dura because they're immortal, you don't need to be tough if every attack you sustain doesn't matter
they are tier 2 automatically bc of Conquerors Haki leaning towards tier 1.5, but at the same time they are very inconsistent bc of their regeneration for instance Saturn had no problem shutting down Bonney, Sanji, and even Luffy by keeping them into place even of it was for a short while but Kuma (who imo is Tier 1.5) came in and shut it off plus the Haki that did irradiate from the Gorosei wasn't enough to incapacitate Tier 2 beings like Sanji, Jimbe, Bonney, and Kizaru, or didn't even touch or was cancelled with guys like Zoro who has been fighting Lucci and Pasafistas the entire time (imo Tier 1.5 and he imo is the better haki user rn than Luffy) it wasn't strong enough and if it wasn't for a time crunch I think Zoro would have won that round against Ethan plus the Haki that Joyboy used fucked them all up, if they all have Advanced Conquerors Haki then why the fuck did they all get sent back, doesn't make sense even with Joyboys insane magnitude. To me their at the bottom of 1.5 or the highest of tier 2 (at least Saturn, Ju Peter, and Mars fs Warcury is a little iffy bc he took on two giants with conq haki and Luffy, and V. Nusjuro is a tad overrated) only bc of their regeneration but I don't see them winning against other Tier 1.5 combatants like Kaido, Kuma, Sengoku, Sick Whitebeard, Gear 5 Luffy, and even Zoro and Linlin is the last person who they wanna fight bc I believe Linlin can counter naturally their regeneration with her fruit, she can soul bond them or send them back.
10:10 How tf would Mihawk get upscaled from Shanks having a similar CoC release to JoyBoy? Pretty sure explosive blasts of energy aren't sword related.
Hmm...i dont know...Luffy didnt.used Adv Conc Haki i think. If he would, there would be Lightnings around his fists. And they were infected by Conc Haki from Joy Boy. And for me...this output wasnt even much stronger then the Clash betweeen 2 Yonkos
You literally saw saturn put sanji on the ground with a single glare and immobilise him instantly. Can king do this ? Or marco? Or katakuri?? And saturn is the weakest of the elders .
They don't scale to luffy at all: 1 luffy wasn't using advance conq: you might disagree for wtv reason. 2: luffy was bullying them they just regenarate 3: luffy is faster than them because he was dodging with kizaru and saturn at the same time. Luffy beats them in single category expect for their regen. I don't you showing them only hitting luffy 2 times taking 5% perfect hp only compared to luffy who tore them to pieces. Crazy how joyboy conquerors haki manage to fold them but oda didn't make luffy use it for a reason.
They are all regen merchants except for Warcury and that’s only the case because of Warcary’s durability. (And even Warcary’s durability is very inconsistent as he was seriously hurt by Emeth’s punch. Luffy also didn’t use ACOC haki on any of the Gorosei.)
Thats what i think too and noticed as well and tbh luffy trusted his crew with task and he himself was just there to hold the gorosei and he was trolling them whilst doing that due nika fighting as he fancied yet
@@jurriandlc4555The fact that a robot who is falling apart is just damaging a being potentially more durable then Kaido without seemingly any haki (when haki is stated to transcend all) just doesn’t make sense, especially when he went on to struggle holding back Ju Peter with his strength when Ju Peter was already dealt with twice in this arc with barely any considerable effort. Warcarys Yokai his transformation is based on has a soft underbelly and this was where Emeth has hit him(or has hit close to it)which hurt him. This point is reinforced by the fact that Dorry and Brogy ware able to affect Warcury better than Luffy ever did. The fact that Warcury has a weak spot makes much more sense than Emeth having one of the best if not the best AP without using any haki. Honestly, the only reason Luffy hasn’t damaged Warcary is because he is just such a meathead that he is only targeting his head which has proven to be the most durable part of his body and forgot he has ACOC just like Big mom did during Onigashima.
I disagree with you about acoc. Acoc cannot just be portrayed via base armament, because at that point, we literally would not know who is using or when it is used, creating confusion. We as a fan base know exactly that it is always portrayed via black lighting, because its a derivative of conquerors haki, which is also portrayed as black lighting. I mean, zoro's vivre card literally implies the appearance of black lighting = conq. Luffy was not using acoc haki during the gorossei fight, you could say he was using ryou, but that's about it.
Personally i think he wasnt using either because of his objective and what he tasked his crew to do which is to protect VP while he fends off/hold them and whilst doing so he was trolling and fighting in true manner of nika which is fighting as he fancied trying different shii i dont think gorosei are anywhere near kaido expect for warcury maybe but even then id argue his df powers and regen carried hard luffy didnt take those guys serious at all he had bigger motive just my thoughts
This may be a hot take, but I think someone like Saturn gets destroyed by Kizaru in combat. Saturn was getting his attacks blocked by Chopper and Brook cut his leg off and that sort of thing. Saturn only wins by technicality because of his regen. We know Admirals are capable of fighting for days and days because of Akainu and Aokiji's fight. I really think Kizaru would kick his ass for 5 days straight, but then eventually run out of stamina and "lose".
Kizaru literally got his body blow up by apoo, kuzan got broken into pieces by pre time skip luffy, literally can say the same bout Kizaru he’s carried by his logia, Saturn has shown better feats than Kizaru
Saturn got blizted by Bonney, got no diffed by a dead kuma, and he did no dmg to a vice admiral. Kizaru smokes
@@memeaccount8309 when did Bonney ever blitz Saturn lmfaoooo and no diffed by kuma what bro got punch that’s it, and kaido killed literally no one in wano ain’t really anything if someone don’t die when they should, also we don’t even know if the vice admiral alive, Kizaru couldn’t put down Franky, Sanji tanked Kizaru light kick akainu begging kuma to slow down, Saturn a fraud but the admiral are by the the biggest frauds
@@EhstynagoI can’t believe you think this is an argument. He wasn’t using haki when apoo did that
@@Ehstynago i hate when ppl bring terrible feats like this. Was kizaru trying against fodder like apoo? No. Its like kaido letting the new gen hit him and see what they are capable of or u can argue kizaru was high and couldnt be asked dodging
Joyboy's haki must have been different if he could put it in an object it could have been a haki above normal conqueror's haki
Obv
I’d say the Gorosei are just BELOW Emporer Level, high Yonko Commander but are hard carried by their immortality.
*Imu’s powers*
that depends on who you have at emperor level... As the video shows so perfectly, the Gorosei are pretty clearly as strong, or stronger then Big Mom or Kizaru
I'd say At Mid Yonko level cuz Gear 5 Luffy was toying with Kaido and Kaido struggled and then we all know what happened in Wano Arc.
The Gorosei put some effort for fighting Luffy and although Luffy wasn't bloodlusted he clearly used more techniques and the fights were longer but then again I don't think they are Yonko level individually but more as a group
(for now at least)
@@Dodoq3032B2Atoying with kaido 🤔🤔when exactly
@@NorbertNahumEvreuklovic Jump rope bro
Him always laughing
bro your one of the best one piece scalers
6:05 the gorosei were trying to preserve the island? venus literally cut the labophase in half and let it fall to the ground💀💀💀. and saturn shot projectiles that make an explosion so big it hit 3 of the elders. the worm was constantly destroying stuff by burrowing and vacuuming stuff. the bird was shooting flame breath at buildings. topman was walking around as a giant boar shooting conquers haki everywhere which we have seen can cause collateral damage even in its most basic form. and the seraphim were ordered to destroy the lab earlier in the arc
That was a last ditch attempt . They stopped caring about stuff because they were panicked by the broadcast. Nusjuro already preserved the Pacifista when the situation was a bit more tame .
I'd honestly say there somewhere around Mid-tier Shichibukai level or Commander level, but w/ extremely broken hacks. Just like how the Seraphims can be outmaneuvered by stronger fighters, but they are hard to defeat due to their Lunarian hax. And considering the latest chapter where Saturn got smoked by Imu, I think some people are right that they aren't devil fruit users. It's probably an extension of Imu's powers & for all we know maybe even their haki is too. Considering how everyone was hitting them left & right & Saturn couldn't even manage to harm Robin & the weaker Strawhat members it really makes the power of the Elders all over the place. But it's really up in the air & until we see them fight a truly major battle, we won't know. So see you guys in 4-12 years. LOL!
I love your videos and hope you keep making more.
Van auger fed luffy trust🙏 (it was in fact kizaru😔)
The edit is goated
0:53 the way you phrased that makes it seems like final villains aren't supposed to be stronger than all previous villians.
7:20 straight headcannon💀💀
Keep uploading ❤
Bro is so underrated
Elder Ethan has named attack "Bio response" and "Obnoxious bio response" in Chapter 1115
Can we get a Animator vs Minecraft Powerscaling like How Strong Is King , Inverse and Crossverse .
The gorosei would have all died if not for their regeneration
question… if kizaru fed luffy as you say then you would think he would stay down & not kill VP right? but he killed him so what would be the reason to feed him if he wasn’t going to let luffy save VP? honestly i hate the topic bc it just sounds like cope… he fed luffy just so he can kill VP? it just sounds so fucking backwards & makes no sense at all
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how does having your attack dodged mean you are relative in speed to them? what else should the other person do in a fight? 5:40
The Gorosei are still a big unknown tbh, we’ve seen them blatantly perform around yonko level and are still somehow IMMORTAL on top of that yet they haven’t used ANY haki except for Papa Pig using basic conquerors haki which had enough force to throw around gear 5 Luffy yet they have statements from Jimbei as u said where he says their Haki is insane even though he ignores it around Luffy and Bigmom so their haki should be stronger than at least theirs
Ranking them until we have an actual answer to how to get past their regen is a pain. For now I will assume that you need top tier Haki (ACoC) to get past their regen and then you need to pummel them enough for them to reach some type of damage threshold where their regen stops working. So the only characters with a chance to put them down individually would be Imu, Shanks, Luffy, Kaido, Big Mom and then other top tier characters who I believe will have ACoC revealed like Blackbeard, Mihawk, Akainu, Dragon... But like ShadX said it may just be that their invincible until Imu is defeated.
Acoc doesn’t negate regeneration it’s useless against them
@@Ehstynago Well then the only other option would be that you need to first defeat Imu for their regen to stop working. But in that case you can argue they are stronger than Roger and WB. So it's pointless to scale them at all.
I think Oda has not truly revealed the true nature of haki
If you loon back at every moment haki was used. It sort of allows the user to overcome anything with ambition. If that us true it confirms why it can affect devil fruits since maybe Haki literally was 1 factor why Devil Fruits spawned
I've always said that were made by
The Moon People maybe they went to earth and gave a magical seed
And haki, haki is the person's spirit being manipulated through sheer willpower.
I mean look at Zoro, he wanted to cut steel and moments later he managed to do it when his ambition grew stronger through flashbacks of the crew and mihawk
Law got turned into a woman and with only his willpower he manipulated his entire DNA to turn back into a man
@@nikjovan4816 as of right now I would say they are since they does not seem to be a limit to they regeneration even the Joyboy blast only sent them away Saturn was unharmed from it
Mihawk again 😂😂😂 Whatever. The dude isn't as strong as you believe.
Anybody know song name at 2:30 ?
Pretty good video but The Big Mom disrespect is insane
I think the Gorosei have just diabolical strength but near to 0 dura because they're immortal, you don't need to be tough if every attack you sustain doesn't matter
Great video!
they are tier 2 automatically bc of Conquerors Haki leaning towards tier 1.5, but at the same time they are very inconsistent bc of their regeneration for instance Saturn had no problem shutting down Bonney, Sanji, and even Luffy by keeping them into place even of it was for a short while but Kuma (who imo is Tier 1.5) came in and shut it off plus the Haki that did irradiate from the Gorosei wasn't enough to incapacitate Tier 2 beings like Sanji, Jimbe, Bonney, and Kizaru, or didn't even touch or was cancelled with guys like Zoro who has been fighting Lucci and Pasafistas the entire time (imo Tier 1.5 and he imo is the better haki user rn than Luffy) it wasn't strong enough and if it wasn't for a time crunch I think Zoro would have won that round against Ethan plus the Haki that Joyboy used fucked them all up, if they all have Advanced Conquerors Haki then why the fuck did they all get sent back, doesn't make sense even with Joyboys insane magnitude. To me their at the bottom of 1.5 or the highest of tier 2 (at least Saturn, Ju Peter, and Mars fs Warcury is a little iffy bc he took on two giants with conq haki and Luffy, and V. Nusjuro is a tad overrated) only bc of their regeneration but I don't see them winning against other Tier 1.5 combatants like Kaido, Kuma, Sengoku, Sick Whitebeard, Gear 5 Luffy, and even Zoro and Linlin is the last person who they wanna fight bc I believe Linlin can counter naturally their regeneration with her fruit, she can soul bond them or send them back.
Tier 1, tier who??? 🤨🤨🤨
8:33 Dawn Gatling is not the second strongest G5 attack
Why do you pronounce Bonnie like that😭
10:10 How tf would Mihawk get upscaled from Shanks having a similar CoC release to JoyBoy? Pretty sure explosive blasts of energy aren't sword related.
Cause mihawk is stronger
They are just regen merchants that Magellan with a gorosi sized pot can beats
Love your videos by the way and what’s your reaction for the next one piece anime episode I can’t wait to nut on the next episode 😂
Bro said Saturn one tap sanji,the same sanji who barely has a scratch on him after taking attacks from kizaru,Saturn,and Venus 😂😂
4:10 a character with what now? 😂
(I know it's aCoC)
If the goresei [with Garling, not Saturn] + imu went up against shank’s crew, who would win?
Pretty ok vid😮
Mannn Lowki no diffs everyone 💀💀 that’s the sorta takes everyone be having. Shit be making no sense
"Luffy is the weakest top tier" 💀
nobody is touching him and blackbeard my dude
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Boney
Regen merchants
who tf is "boney"
pink hair girl
Hmm...i dont know...Luffy didnt.used Adv Conc Haki i think. If he would, there would be Lightnings around his fists. And they were infected by Conc Haki from Joy Boy. And for me...this output wasnt even much stronger then the Clash betweeen 2 Yonkos
The Gorosei Are from what’s observed Id say are around 1rst Commander
The commander level scaling method is flawed
You literally saw saturn put sanji on the ground with a single glare and immobilise him instantly. Can king do this ? Or marco? Or katakuri?? And saturn is the weakest of the elders .
Luffy was not able to damage Topman but Saturn poisonos bomb was able to damage topman so that same bomb will pronaly one shoot or wekend enyone
Some of these opinions are quite nice but some of them are just so disingenuous dude
Like???
They don't scale to luffy at all: 1 luffy wasn't using advance conq: you might disagree for wtv reason. 2: luffy was bullying them they just regenarate 3: luffy is faster than them because he was dodging with kizaru and saturn at the same time. Luffy beats them in single category expect for their regen. I don't you showing them only hitting luffy 2 times taking 5% perfect hp only compared to luffy who tore them to pieces. Crazy how joyboy conquerors haki manage to fold them but oda didn't make luffy use it for a reason.
What you are smoking?
Both Kizaru and Gear 5 Luffy knocked each other out, and the Gorosei were not taking them serious.
Luffy was NOT using acoc brodie😂😂
Thank you for pointing this out bruh😭
He definitely was.
@@Chiefteeth1 👎
Bro gear 5 cannot even 1v1 a gorosei man then let alone imu
It’s all up to Imu’s mysterious power. They’re just regeneration merchants. Saturn was nothing but a punching bag against Luffy.
Didn’t the world government just lose punk records cuz the other punks?
Yes but they have mother flame and york but york is cut off from punk records currently if i remember correctly
Hi
They are all regen merchants except for Warcury and that’s only the case because of Warcary’s durability. (And even Warcary’s durability is very inconsistent as he was seriously hurt by Emeth’s punch. Luffy also didn’t use ACOC haki on any of the Gorosei.)
Thats what i think too and noticed as well and tbh luffy trusted his crew with task and he himself was just there to hold the gorosei and he was trolling them whilst doing that due nika fighting as he fancied yet
How is it inconsistent based on Emeth’s punch ?? Thats the only feat Emeth has in the series there is no anti feat there thats just how hard he hits.
@@jurriandlc4555The fact that a robot who is falling apart is just damaging a being potentially more durable then Kaido without seemingly any haki (when haki is stated to transcend all) just doesn’t make sense, especially when he went on to struggle holding back Ju Peter with his strength when Ju Peter was already dealt with twice in this arc with barely any considerable effort. Warcarys Yokai his transformation is based on has a soft underbelly and this was where Emeth has hit him(or has hit close to it)which hurt him. This point is reinforced by the fact that Dorry and Brogy ware able to affect Warcury better than Luffy ever did. The fact that Warcury has a weak spot makes much more sense than Emeth having one of the best if not the best AP without using any haki. Honestly, the only reason Luffy hasn’t damaged Warcary is because he is just such a meathead that he is only targeting his head which has proven to be the most durable part of his body and forgot he has ACOC just like Big mom did during Onigashima.
Regen merchants🤔 And Luffy is a zoan devil fruit merchant,so what s your point?
First of all it s F EMET, not emeth. Let s start from the basics and you ll see later.
I disagree with you about acoc.
Acoc cannot just be portrayed via base armament, because at that point, we literally would not know who is using or when it is used, creating confusion. We as a fan base know exactly that it is always portrayed via black lighting, because its a derivative of conquerors haki, which is also portrayed as black lighting.
I mean, zoro's vivre card literally implies the appearance of black lighting = conq.
Luffy was not using acoc haki during the gorossei fight, you could say he was using ryou, but that's about it.
Personally i think he wasnt using either because of his objective and what he tasked his crew to do which is to protect VP while he fends off/hold them and whilst doing so he was trolling and fighting in true manner of nika which is fighting as he fancied trying different shii i dont think gorosei are anywhere near kaido expect for warcury maybe but even then id argue his df powers and regen carried hard luffy didnt take those guys serious at all he had bigger motive just my thoughts
Then WHY Luffy in Marineford didn't show any black lightings?? Didn't he use king s haki
In gear 5 automatically you use king s haki lol
@YaelEvreuklovic no he doesn't lol, kings haki has to be turned on
@YaelEvreuklovic the same reason Armament haki wasn't shown as black coating.