"Who Created God? Dr. John Lennox Leaves Richard Dawkins Speechless with This Brilliant Answer!"
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- In this powerful debate, Dr. John Lennox delivers a brilliant response to Richard Dawkins’ challenge, tackling the question, “Who made God?” with logic and clarity that leaves the audience stunned. Watch as Lennox exposes the flaws in Dawkins’ argument and provides a compelling case for faith and reason. Don’t miss this eye-opening moment!
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If nothing ever existed, nothing would exist now. So something is eternal.
Or Someone.
Yes. Consider the possibility that our big bang universe, itself, is living, with our own lives derivative to that larger living creature (like the living cells of a living human body). If so, we can surmise that our universe was born from the interaction of other physically existing living universes like our own that pre-existed our's. Like the way galaxies are born from the collision (or interaction) of other pre-existing galaxies. Those parental universes would also have had parents, etc, going back (apparently) infinitely. Its all one single living organism that has always existed. Where might "God be in all that? I guess it's the mind of our living universe or something.^
Maybe the universe is eternal. Why do you go to god and then draw the line there?
@@2k3SteedaGT There is no beginning, no creator to define by this hypothesis.
@@DashiellParr411 give an example of nothing? Nothing by definition doesn't exist.
SPACE IS NOT CREATED - ENERGY IS NOT CREATED - CONSCIOUSNESS IS THE MIND OF GOD
To suggest that God was created means you don't know the 1st thing about God/Christianity.
Never in the history of our species has any she god been shown to be real.
Lennox certainly didn’t try to prove his god was demonstrably real.
@@myopenmind527 What is your idea of ''real' ?
@@robertmitchell-tv5yfcould it be, imagination?
Why do you equate God with christianity? The existence of God is a separate concept to whether Jesus's was God or not
@@robertmitchell-tv5yf You have a lot of 'uns' there and maybe a conflation .
Please how ?
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Dawkins is not speechless at all. The video just cuts off before his reply, which is just an underhanded way of claiming a win. This is typical of anyone with a weak argument - just silence any other views
it's most probably because he really DID have nothing to say afterwards!! Ever think of that??
It’s nothing more than the editors trying to organize their time.
Other than that, Dawkins is utterly defeated per usual.
Even if he wasn't speechless, why would the editors waste time with a lot of nothingness in an attempt to disprove God?😂😂
@@Leba_T you can't disprove something that hasn't been proven.
Dawkins has no strong argument that God doesn’t exists. It’s impossible to prove something that exists outside of time and space doesn’t exist.
The church has relics that are supernatural, after decades of modern study science cannot understand how they exist because they are impossible to duplicate with natural laws. The shroud of Turin, they have no clue how it exists as modern technology cannot replicate it. The Eucharistic miracles, science confirms they are human heart tissue from the left ventricle but that the samples are impossible as the blood is fresh even through the samples are decades or even centuries old … white blood cells present that indicate the tissue is from a human experiencing agony … yet white blood cells don’t last long outside of the body making this impossible. The incorruptibles that don’t decay even though there is no preservation of the bodies even with some of them being decades old … no idea how.
"The argument that who created God is besides the point" says Lennox. And this is supposed to be a brilliant response to Dawkin's? Watching this video just made me dumber, I'm afraid.
it's pointless because intelligent people know that you can't make something out of nothing, big bang or anything else.
@@trallfraz Yet you believe a human can be created from clay. LOL
@@ji8044 And you believe a human can come from nothing. LOOOOOOLLLLL
I learned before kindergarten that God is uncreated and has existed forever. How can an adult not know this?
Many, well, some people learn to think critically as the move beyond kindergarten. That's why Jesus wants you to think like a little child.
@@kirkD9349 Where is your evidence for this claim...how do you know? Is it because it says so in the bible? If so, you can't use the claim as evidence that the claim is true. How do you know the tooth fairy is not uncreated and has existed forever?
Everything created has to have a creator, and in the case of the God nonsense that was man.
@@oldphrt God wasn't created. We are inside Him.
@ So not everything needs a creator. QED.
Why do theists get to define their god as eternal, yet others can’t describe the cosmos as eternal? If your gods can be timeless or have an infinite past, why can’t the cosmos?
An eternal multiverse is just as good an explanation as a god.
I don't believe modern science points to any evidence that the cosmos are eternal; conversely, science has shown that matter and space had a beginning all through reverse engineering the trajectory of light. I suppose if one wants to believe the cosmos are timeless then that person is a dogmatist as well, one that just calls to god by another name.
not when EVERYONE knows you can't make something out of nothing. And if you can, you must be GOD!!
any universe..or multiverse with an expansion rate greater than zero....must have a beginning.
@@trallfraz Please provide the evidence that there was ever nothing.
@@trallfraz special pleading at it's finest
It doesn't matter how bright a believer can be. He's still a spokesperson, something imaginary entities need badly.
I dont agree with a lot of what Dawkins says but he does have one of the most pleasant voices I have ever heard.
I totally agree! It's very soothing. I kind of feel the same about Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens, the former also soothing, the latter assertive in a compelling way. When I was young I didn't know to look beyond the appearance or the voice to recognize the truth (or falsehood) of what someone was saying. But I do share your opinion of his voice. It really is one of the nicest.
He has the same voice as Shaitaan.
@@joetunon I disagree with most of what he says LOL I love his voice though, and I wish I could transplant Jordan Petersons with Dawkins as I love Peterson but his voice is annoying somewhat.
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@@joetunon Its funny as John Lennox and Jordan Peterson are my favorites in what they say, teach and believe. However both their voices are super annoying to me, and paradoxically Harris and Dawkins voices are calming to me but their beliefs are pretty much in opposition.
What a wonderful amazing world and creation we are privileged to live in.
@@ashrafwilliams1398 His words are but his actual voice and its tone are delightful. I love hearing him, also when he critiques Islam I pretty much agree with him, mostly. However being a jesus follower his mocking the lord annoys me but its in such a nice tone LOL
If you flip a coin 1 million times in a row, you will get some exact sequence of heads and tails which is in itself impossibly improbable. Yet it happens. is this evidence for a guard?
God not guard. (Speech to text)
@@RB-kr1ww nature dictate the tune and physics follows. Nature is ahead of science.
@ I am not sure what that means.
If you have to rely on millions of universes that noone has ever seen any evidence of, the explanation isnt any better than saying “God did it”. Its actually a worse explanation because youre making it up yourself and doesnt have any of circumstantial evidence or logical proofs that a creator has.
Even more damming to the argument is that the fact that multiverse still wouldnt answer the question of where they came from and it relies on millions of unnecesary unsubstantiated complications to get to the same answer: God.
"THE EXISTENCE OF GOD DOES NOT DEMAND HIS HUMAN CREATURES BELIEVING IN HIM. GOD IS!"---J.A.N.A.
@Funkydood Which is very similar to the phrase "Science does not care what you believe."
And yet, God seems to very much need people to believe in him, as the penalty for not believing in him is eternal agony.
The title reads "Dr. Lennox leaves Richard Dawkins speechless..." Of course, he was speechless, since the video ended abruptly after Lennox quit spouting his gibberish. 😂
@@robertcunningham1944I thought his distinction between a created vs uncreated god was pretty clear. What part was gibberish?
@@joetunon Exactly. I look forward to Roberts reply to this challenge.
@joetunon Any attempt made by a believer to convince a non-believer of the existence of a creator. You can choose to accept it on faith, or you can choose not to accept it at all.
@@robertcunningham1944 with respect, that’s not what he’s doing. He’s clarifying the difference between the created god that Dawkins implies by the question “who made God” and the uncreated God that we actually believe in. He’s not trying to convince him to believe in that God, simply clarifying that we also do not believe in a god who was created.
@@joetunon yeah, so that would be special pleading.
Men created God as an idea, which is why God doesn't actually exist.
That arguement doesn't even get out of the freezer .........lol!
@@gerardjames8123 So why do you think man invented gods?
@@oldphrtMan has indeed created many gods, but false ones! Fortunately my own direct experience with the one and only God leaves me in no doubt that he exists and nothing could sway me from that. I guess I am extraordinarily fortunate in being born with faith and an inner knowledge of having existed before being born into a human body.
@@gerardjames8123 You are only confirming a delusion or pretence and not answering my question.
@@gerardjames8123 [" Fortunately my own direct experience with the one and only God leaves me in no doubt that he exists and nothing could sway me from that. "] And let me guess, your little invisible friend is only visible to you?
If this GOD that created the heavens and the earth was created by something else, then HE can not be an all creator, for it means that HE followed someone else. I refuse to believe a lie. I will not serve a GOD that can be destroyed by what created it, and also, I am obviously worshipping the wrong GOD.
There is only one GOD, The Holy Trinity. Three in One, One in Three!!
I agree! Thats great.
Yeah, there is only one flying pink elephant that created your god. Flying pink elephant always existed, he wasn't created and he's eternal. Now get down on your knees and worship the flying pink elephant. Or prove me wrong.
@ That’s NOT my place to prove anything to you. It’s HIS, I thank you for saying this because THAT is exactly what HE is going to do. YOU only have to be willing to see it. Sad how you can easily believe the lie and not even see the truth each time you look in the mirror. But praise GOD almighty because HE answers requests like this one.
I’m excited. See you soon!! ❤️
@@NM-pc8rj yeah, my pink elephant is still more powerful that your god because he created him and you.
@@NM-pc8rj yeah, my pink elephant is still more powerful than your god because he created him and you.
@ 5:04 simplicity and truth ... I loved the connection ... Man finds things complex ... Because he is confused ... Trying to boggle with everything ... A butterfly doesn't ...
One of these days, God will explain his existence, and what life was like before their was man, before the creation of the universe, before the angels.
Your claimed god can’t even show himself to be real.
What's he waiting for?
We know what life was like before man. nice and Bloody peaceful ☺️😅
He is w@iting for your salvation
Been waiting 4.5 billion years. Earth will be swallowed by the sun in another 5B yrs before he turns up at this rate.
Is it just me who finds it difficult to imagine an eternal entity which supposedly created the universe, but also looks like a human being and gives out instructions to humans on how they should live their lives.
That's because he's not asking the correct question. It's not `who created God," It's why does a god exist at all? If the question "Why something, rather than nothing," is a valid question, then so is that. And the answer is obvious. It just is! However, no one wants to admit to `that` because it undermines the point. If things can just `be` without explanation, then there goes that. It's a goal post argument and `why` a god rather than no god, is absolutely a valid question.
Why an empty room instead of a room with an individual in it? Precisely because it gives meaning to the existence of the room to have an individual in it.
As you can see, every being lives a certain period of time and perceives time and its passing differently. Why shouldn't there be a God who is immortal? And angels are almost immortal before God, although according to the rules of their existence they "die", but not like humans or other living beings. God is like a being only that he is everything, he is perfect, he represents the complexity of eternal existence.❤
If you notice, there are animals that resemble each other or are genetically similar, and have similar intelligence. Man also resembles a monkey, but do you notice how complex man is, and what kind of existence does he have compared to monkeys or other beings?
@@danstoica2824 But there is zero scientific evidence of God or the supernatural.
Thats because science is purely materialistic. It is neither equipped or interested in dealing with the metaphysical. That is the domain of philosophy and religion, not science.
Materialism can explain a book as collection of bound pages with symbols scrawled on them, but it cant tell you a thing about the nature of the story the book contains.
"Imagine someone holding forth on biology whose only knowledge of the subject is the Book of British Birds, and you have a rough idea of what it feels like to read Richard Dawkins on theology" (Terry Eagleton).
Give it a rest. Even the term theology is a mockery of logic and reason. Theologians care nothing of getting to the truth of things, only how they can attempt to continue to shroud it.
@@Lee_Bode You miss the point. Even if theology is a mockery, Dawkins has no knowledge of it yet is happy to pontificate (see what I did there?!) on it. That's the point - arguing about a subject about which he is totally clueless.
@stuartofblyth So how much does one need to study a mockery before able to criticize it?
@@Lee_Bode Can you criticise astrology if you know nothing about it?
@@stuartofblyth Nothing would mean I wouldn't even know what it is. The question still stands. How much? It doesn't take much to get to the heart of most of these scams.
Lennox has never left anyone speechless from wisdom, but his suppositional crap has.
Exactly, because there’s nothing that can be said to adequately refute it🤣
If your wisdom come by chance , I agree with you, but not, wisdom doesn’t come from it, this is why is crap for you.
@ ????
@@christianlanoire-ep6zino it's just because it's crap
@@christianlanoire-ep6zi nah, it's just crap
Where can I find this full video
Its a debate called God delusion on UA-cam
I have to laugh when you think that special pleading left Dawkins speechless. He could not believe that a grown adult would think that Special pleading was a valid argument. It just proves how ridiculous Apologists really are.
Keep leaving your fantasies, you hear but don’t understand, nothing could be clearer than Lenox explanation.
Your brain needed to improve
Proud Humans
Funny how your so confident in yourselfs and at the same time tell us that your just dancing to your dna
Fools
@@christianlanoire-ep6zi talking about fantasies, LOL
In Dawkin's book "The God Delusion" he tries to write off the existence and fine-tuning of the universe and the marvelous complexity of cells and life by proclaiming they bear only the "illusion of design." This is a remarkably unintelligent thought. If we were to show the man a soup spoon, he certainly would acknowledge the intelligent design behind it. To mass-produce those spoons, one needs not just intelligent design but also engineering, manufacturing of raw materials, craftsmanship, and even more than these, motive, reason and purpose for those spoons to appear on the market. The atheist believes the universe and life came into existence without these qualities. The theist observes these qualities and believes a supreme being that is capable to "construct" or build the universe and life was responsible --- a supreme act of construction. The atheist believes the "big bang," or that the universe and life came into being through a supreme act of destruction.
Construction or destruction. Which makes more sense to you?
@@davidcaldarola5188 construction any day of the week. Materialist reductionism is the great superstition of modern times, paraded by the ignorant as common sense.
If humans were intelligently designed, the play ground would not be right next to the sanitation department.
If something can exist without being created, why the problem with that which became the universe?
By the way, just because Lennox says God existed always doesn't make it true. It is not an argument. It is a statement of belief. There is no argument that can be raised against a belief. You either believe something, or you don't.
Lennox, by saying God existed always, is essentially saying, "God existed always. Prove me wrong." As everyone should know, you cannot prove a negative. It is up to Lennox to prove that God exists, which he hasn't done.
It's the Get Out of Jail Free card for theologians.
Firstly God isn't described as something, rather he's a eternal spirit without beginning or end.
Yes we believe in God by faith through his word. This faith isn't blind but involves evidences as demonstrated by historical and archeological truths plus eyewitness testimony.
The beginning of the universe also rationally points to some type of creator.
You can't prove a philosophical question. Does God exist is a philosophical question. The question really should be is how much evidence of design do you need to believe an intelligent mind is behind the design?
You can tell some people there is a brick wall in front of them and they will walk into it and turn round with a bloody nose and tell you that there's no brick wall there.
@@Loading....99.99 The eyewitness testimony argument has long been debunked.
No he didn't blow him away with the answer lol. Very typical Christian propaganda that they hypocritically justify . He just gave the typical cop out answer which is really just a blind assumption that answers nothing of course . But like with most religious people if the answer is what people want to hear then no one will question it . If thats not cult thinking not sure act is then !
he blew him away. deal.
@@stuffthings1417 Who blew who away? If you find the original video and watch how Dawkins responds I think you will find that Dawkins blew Lennox away.
@robertp6859 neither side will win.
what i would ask an athiest is, what is life? nobody truly believes we're the result of the big bang being played out. if there are, they're crazy.
This video is mistitled. It should read: "Deluded Dr. John Lennox Leaves Richard Dawkins Speechless with This Dumb Unprovable Answer!"
I could just as easily countered Lennox's point with, No - it was a pink, eternally existing, Buddhist unicorn with created the universe. As that cannot be disproven too.
name one delusion.
@@stuffthings1417 Just one? OK. He is deluded in thinking that ANY god exists. No gods of any kind have been shown to exist - ever!
@MartinSaintXXL what are you on? of course there's been no evidence. everyone knows that.
@@stuffthings1417 Boy you must be heavily diluted to think no delusion of any sort has ever occurred in all of human history. Quite the challenge you've posed...
@@stuffthings1417 What are YOU on, fool? If you know that there's no evidence why are you asking me why he's deluded?
And this is the condemnation: that Light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.”
Atheists are professionals at telling us to answer the question of how God was created and so we give them a response which provides a direct explanation that answers the question, but the atheists then wont give a direct answer that explains how matter has the ability to bring themselves into existence, the properties of physics has the ability to bring themselves into existence, AND how non-living matter has the ability to create living matter
Exactly
@tymz-r-achangin---
Yeah, right! LOL
Since when has ANY believer EVER provided ". . . a direct explanation that answers the question. . ." of how God was created? I've certainly never heard one in all my years of debate on this subject!
The fact is you HAVE NOT, and you CANNOT, because all arguments BOTH for or against the existence of ANY "God" are unfalsifiable. It cannot be proven either way, and is therefore a moot point.
Furthermore, atheists have no obligation to prove anything as a prerequisite for NOT believing in your "God" claim. YOU have the burden of proof for YOUR CLAIM that a "God exists!
However, with regard to the origin of matter and living organisms, I suggest you do some research into abiogenesis, and the 1953 Miller/Urey experiment for a possible explanation.
And how does god have the ability to create matter. With magic? With Abracadabra? Because he's all powerful and he can do everything? Hmm, when you put it like that it kinda sounds like a fairytale.
@@VeljaPopov
Hi troll. Its WAY more believable that it took an all-powerful 'magical' God to create the creations than to be a fool believing the fairy tale of matter has the MAGIC to bring themselves into existence, the properties of physics have MAGIC to bring themselves into existence, and non-living matter has the MAGIC to bring living matter into existence.
Lennox uses the same old bag of fallacies, only fools, the gullible and truth challenged lacking critical thinking gobble up John's defication. Christians love echo chambers filled with straw men to claim gotcha!
Dawkins is so red in color, I think he is already in his own Hell!
To all those who want to know why an atheist would ask the question "who created god" eventho they already know what answer you are gonna give.
Its to make you commit the special pleading fallacy.
The inference that everything needs a creator or a designer is true according to the christian. Except for god, he does not need a creator or a designer.
So whats the difference? Do complex things need a designer or not. Is everything created or not?
either throw out this logic or explain why god is an exception here.
But there is no good reason why god is the only exception for this. So the assumption that everything is created or needs a designer is flawed.
PLOP, you are a laughing stock 😂
@@christianlanoire-ep6zi The commenter has laid out a good explanation for the line reasoning being followed. You failed to address the argument, merely calling him/her a name, which is known as an ad hominem attack. Objectively, for those who know logic, you are the laughing stock.
@@mikewagner8458 He provided no good explanation, just asserted it without evidence simply to make his story work. Extremely poor effort from an 'educated' man.
It's arrogance though to think that one could explain everything. It's a theist's logic that since we are sorrounded by things that have to be "made by man" to exist, from the simple papers, plates to more complex assembled things like cars, cellphones, then it's impossible that the much much more complicated things like our body, the trillion of cells that differentiated into different organs and coordinately work together for the whole organisms to thrive, just started to exist by chance. Besides, science dictates that for a theory to be proven true it must be be able to be repeated. And science has not yet proven the theory of evolution to be true. With all their knowledge and available technologies, scientists has not yet able to replicate what "chance" did, the elements of a cell coming together and became alive.
@@mikewagner8458 where logic comes from? For you comes from chance, explain that to me.
On an intellectual level Lennox has it head and shoulders over Dawkins.
@@FSR431 Regurgitating low-IQ idiotic goatherder fairytales are not only anti-intellectual, it's pathetic garbage.
To say that God was created is to automatically show that you are unaware of the subject matter you are touching. It's like to say an opera doesn't need music or literature doesn't need words.
Can you even show that your god is real?
Did Lennox?
No.
We understand the nature of your imagined god only too well.
@@myopenmind527 "Can you even show that your god is real?"
- No. And then what? The main point of my comment was not in the ability or inability to show that God is real. The main point was that if you are trying to disprove to me the realness of my God, you at least should be dealing with exactly that concept of God that I have, not the concept of God that you have. Otherwise, all you will be doing is attempting to disprove your own concept of God, not mine. My concept of God is that God by default is not created, the One that exists forever. If you want to prove to me that this concept is wrong, you should deal with that concept.
@@robertmitchell-tv5yf "....but an opera is the music, and literature is the words"
- And God is the Eternal One.
@@turquisestones ["The main point was that if you are trying to disprove to me the realness of my God, you at least should be dealing with exactly that concept of God that I have, not the concept of God that you have."]
You're just trying to shift the burden of proof. How does your assertion invalidate the issue: "Can you even show that your god is real?" Whatever "concept" of God you have, the answer is no.
@@iriemon1796That isn't shifting anything. 😂
The question, "Who/what created God?" When directed at an Abrahamic believer, contains a category error within its own premise, and hence is fallacious.
That's the point being made, which you're dismissing as a shift of proof burden; further fallacy from the "Universe exists by blind fluke" crowd! 😂
Learn basic logic.
The intellect of the great John Lennox:
How would the universe exist if not created by the Creator?
Then, who created the Creator?
The Creator is different - he does not have to be created.
But being the great intellect that he is, he doesn't put it so crudely.
God is so great that I can’t believe HE exists ……that’s my problem 😮He is too big and transcendent for my mind to grasp.
Who can say that Dawkins was speechless
Man created gods in his own image. Accept and move on.
The only god that man created in his own image, is man. For man is full of himself. For man is a sinner and will therefore be judged by God.
I find it funny that the Bible tells all these great stories of things that happened. But if you look you won't find any writings of these things outside of the bible.
Like how Moses parted the red sea and all those soldiers that chased after them died. But the only place you find that story is in the bible.
And there are so many other fascinating stories that are told in the Bible but no where else in literature.
Er .. almost all ancient tribes around the world have the flood as part of their historical tellings.
I love how Lennox can't even comprehend the infinite regress argument. He's either ignoring it on purpose in hopes that the listeners are also lost, or he's incredibly dim.
And your grasp of this topic is derived from what, a secondary school education?
He understands the infinite regress argument far better than you or Dawkins.
The fact that infinite regress is not possible is a widely accepted truth in christian theology and features prominently in the Summa Theologica as one of the proofs for the existence of God. For the finite to exist, there must be be a transcendent causality… aka God.
@ I'm sorry to say that doesn't make it true. I will do my best to point out the errors.
First, no human knows everything about this universe, so how can one draw absolute conclusions about it? Especially ones that invoke the supernatural which has never been demonstrated. That line of thinking is actually very similar to how gods were constructed that precede the god of Abraham. For example: Where does lightning come from? We can't figure it out, so it must be god and his name is Zeus!
The point is that infinite regress can only be satisfied by leading to a grounding point, which the Summa Theologica claims can only be god. Invoking god as a grounding point is flawed reasoning since it leads to another massive amount of questions from which no human can answer. This becomes very important when one attempts to assign probability toward this being the truth versus other possible explanations.
One cannot explain how they know with 100% certainty that it's absolutely impossible the universe as we know it hasn't simply always existed. Am I declaring that this is the answer? Read carefully because it should be clear that I'm not. However, I would and could argue how I think it's a more probable explanation. But this has already been done by many critical thinkers before me.
I could use my mind and dream up more possible explanations, but I'll be unable to describe a countless amount of ones that perhaps we don't have the knowledge to think of. Perhaps some more likely than others. What I care about the most, is even if there is an entity, perhaps with intelligence, that started existence as we know it, it's obviously not the one that any Earthly religion has conjured up.
All human knowledge is contingent on new information. Even if one were to meet this so called god, how would one know that it doesn't have a creator? Because it told one so and did many magic tricks that one cannot explain? What are the consequences of not questioning this entity? What are the consequences of not working further to find the truth? One cannot answer these questions with both certainty and not leading to more questions. Until then, if one cannot admit their unknowing, then I must question what they are attempting to gain by the persuasion.
These questions only lead to more questions because we have no way to conclude without actually experiencing these things. Any daydreaming from here is simply that. No human knows.
Atheist do not believe YOUR CLAIM to any god so unless you can backup your point then your argument means nothing, just like the rest of life in our realty.
Stop with this medieval God stuff . God doesn't exsist. Nobody can prove otherwise.
You can’t prove he doesn’t exist. It takes a lot of faith to believe everything came from nothing.
@@synthlordvrit is the onus on preaching religion to provide proof not the other way around. Make a claim then back it up… but of course, you can't so you rely on the get-out-of-jail-free card 'faith' to support your claim… but that does'nt work either.😂😂
We can't disprove a negative. We can't disprove God. Therefore God is negative.
I can surely tell you attended logic class at the same university as Justine Trudeau and Kamala Harris.
@@donclips Good point.Check out the Shroud of Turin sometime.🫥😱🧐🤨🤔
I have never seen Lennox blow anything away other than his own poor arguments.
And Lennox spends most his time on special pleading.
@@Folkstone1957 he has faith, something which you have none.
@@DavidDancs-ei7pr Of course he does, faith is used in the absence of evidence. Faith is a piss poor pathway to truth. Literally anything can be believed on faith, but it in no way leads to truth.
@@teks-kj1njunfortunately there is so much evidence, but your heart does not want to know, or hear. Ultimately you loose
@@teks-kj1nj no that's your explanation. Faith and belief are very similar. You must have faith to believe in anything? To believe in nothing is foolish.
@@saritadekroon374 There is no evidence for god at all. What you claim to be evidence isn't.
Otherwise, tell us right now, what is you one BEST evidence for god and lets analyse it.
*Who made the Christian God Fairy ?*
Middle East priests did.
Him-Her-It is invisible, hears everything sees everything, knows everything.
No wonder followers cannot cope with the Earth's fossil record cast in stone.
There is nowhere stated that god is invisable, maybe you think that human eyes are super? You have no nightvision like a cat, you can see no radiowaves, nor gamma rays. Hoooo, you can´t see god with your eyes, strange.
Usual word salad from John Lennox. If evidence existed for a god there would be no need for theists trying to convince us a god exists.
Strictly speaking there we don't need theists to try to convince us a god exists. But they do help explain what we have already come to intuit by faith. I knew from childhood that no one created God, but I didn't know how to explain it. I find John quite effective at explaining the difference between a created and an uncreated God in a straightforward and common sense way that directly answers Dawkin's assertion. But for someone who doesn't intuit God in the first place, I guess it's all bound to sound like "word salad".
I am convinced he gets his reputation based o his accent alone, because it's certainly not what he says.
You don't know what "word salad" means, clearly.
careful here. You re judging...what do you believe brother? You surely believe into something...Hope you have really thinking behind your framework. John Lennox has done his homework...what about yours? Praise Lord and your Saviour...repent before it is too late brother.
@draso19 more word salad!! Try with some evidence, that's all we ask.
I Am Who Am. Even in Heaven we might not comprehend how God has no beginning or end. We can comprehend now that if God did not exist, then nothing would exist.
Lennox failed spectacularly here. Special pleading? Really?
@@peteredmead3058 Only religion can make such an intelligent man say such stupid superstitious nonsense.😆😅😅😅
You call intelligently following where the evidence leads "special pleading?" Can you demonstrate in any way how his logic is wrong?
It's not much, but it's all he's got.
everything he said was correct.
@stuffthings1417 Everything Lenox says is superstitious fairytale garbage.
ONE SPACE - ONE ENERGY SOURCE - ONE MIND - DIFFERENTIATED INTO INFINITE MINDS. I THINK > I AM GOD CONSCIOUSNESS
Lennox, just like every other theist in history, has presented nothing but a plethora of opinion. His response to Dawkins was somewhat less than brilliant and as for leaving Richard Dawkins speechless - I don't think so. Lennox tries enthusiastically to debunk Dawkins' arguments and, in return, presents nothing to support the existence of a god.
Who was there when creation/things began to happen? Nobody from among us, so we all only give our opinions.
@@suichinggo8236 yeah, but then we don't pretend that our opinions and beliefs are the truth.
Thesame "nothing" atheist like you believe is behind our existence. Now,"nothing" means nothing! to you.
@@jenkinsokeremute2403 That's quite a statement. I'm looking forward to seeing your compelling, credible and verifiable evidence for a god. I'll wait.
@Krutchly you will never find evidence of God, because whatever created the universe must be beyond physics,must never be 3 dimensional, and must be outside space ,time and matter. A man who must successfully build a house must not be restricted by the four corners of the house he is building. He must have the ability to manuaver in and out of the house as he built it. God is outside the universe. That is why,no matter how we try the edge of the universe is beyond our reach even if we move at the speed of light!
If the Universe was created out of nothing then you don't need a Creator. But I cannot accept the existance of even a single atom without a Creator.
Good for you, but what you can "accept" has no bearing on whether it is truth.
Lennox is simply asserting things with no evidence whatsoever. The bible is the claim , not evidence. Thus quoting from it is pointless. He does nothing to demonstrate the existence of a god.
Was you listening 😂😂😂😂
The fine tuned argument still assumes the naturalist arguments for a self created universe. I think it's best to argue that an organized universe must have an organizer.
The idea that anything can create itself is paradoxical because for something to create itself, it would already have to exist.
That act of creation IS God. “The Word was with God and God was the Word”. “I am that I am.”
Richard should stick strictly to biology, his biggest mistake in life was ever thinking he was a thinker that could argue against an intelligent designer.
Lennox should stick to mathematics.
Incorrect. I don't think you were able to follow the argument that Lennox is far too clueless to even approach.
@@Lee_Bode yeah but if we're being honest, you would've said that regardless of what John, Richard or I said.
@@DanFedMusic I wouldn't assume that. Watch the video as Lennox is seemingly afraid to approach infinite regress. Is he really unaware of the claims his side is making?
@@Lee_Bode his point was very clear, nobody believes that a God was created, but that it always existed.
A person might say, that's ridiculous…
But then you'll have to believe that something lifeless and mindless somehow produced life and consciousness, order, structure, complexity etc.…
All things that always come from an intelligent being.
I only endured this nonsense in order to hear Richard's reply! Where is the intelligent part of this video!
The fact that we have different beliefs such as jews, Christians, Muslims, hindus and so on. Which God is the right one?
Quite obviously none of them. Not a one has a shred of substantiating evidence or explanation.
Without a desire to know God and the revealing of God himself to a person there is no way to believe in God too. It's both ways. How can one believe in God without first wanting to know God. People rather believe men and their definitions of God rather than God himself. And with the advent of medical breakthroughs and technologies man doesn't need God. The yearning for more in man itself proves he is searching the supernatural in the wrong places!
@rishonacarys990 Billions of people have genuinely tried what you claim and no god responds. Whatever you think is god is a delusion created by the vastly complex human mind.
All those other than the Christian God are dead or mere man-made effigies.
All Jews, Christians and Muslims are atheists, except for the god they believe in.
Who created God? Humans, of course!
A single God is a concept that was created 3000 years ago. Before that there was polytheism with one chief god. And "Moses" turned this into a monotheistic religion. This even mentioned in the bible. So, yes, God was created by man.
Good heavens. You might want to pick up a secular anthropology book. Aside, Romans 1 makes it clear that monotheism was the initial culture of primitive man, and they did a hatchet job on it = polytheism/pantheism/animism.
@Rickkelley365 Psalms 86:8, 97:7, 135:5, Exodus 12:12, the first commandment all point to a multitude of gods. Upto the moment the fictional character Moses appeared.
The concept of god was created by man. Important distinction. Sorry for being nit-picky.
@@Lee_Bode ...and corrected.
Soon, you'll be standing in front of Him. YOU tell Him your silly reasonings!
Either evolution has always existed with its own intelligence to create or a creator God has always existed with his own intelligence to create.
Non sequitur.
I strongly suspect that Lennox, a philosopher & mathematician, really doesn't comprehend the complexity of the evolution of life. How simple can evolve to complex utilizing the power of a sun.
And where did the sun come from???
@@erandovacca6791 , tarded question.
Also how does a simple life evolve into complex life?
I have to ask… did you ever graduate from high school ?? This is BASIC biology and I’m not going to waste my time re-explaining what you should ALREADY know !! Get your nose out of the bible and read some basic biology. Religion just dumbs down intelligence .
How does a protein become DNA and RNA.... there's no evolution, in the biological sense, *until* DNA and RNA exist, and yet the information that makes a protein into ine of these molecules has to come from somewhere. Information Theory is clear that that place can only be a mind.
Try again.
We have a choice to believe in the beginning God or in the beginning dirt.
@@seanrathmakedisciples1508 or not.
We have lots of scientific evidence of dirt. We have no scientific evidence of God.
I find it very disturbing that some people think John Lennox made a valid point here. Just making up whatever attributes you can for "god" to escape all known evidence and laws of nature we know of is not a strong argument in favor of god. It is a weak defense for not coming up with an actual case....
Not when you KNOW that it was GOD who made all of the 'natural laws'!!!
@@trallfraz Prove it - with scientific, empirical evidence...Please, don't use the BIBLE as your source. That doesn't wash !
@@trallfraz you can't "know" as there is no evidence for god. Not one shred. If you think you know you are either ignorant, deluded/misinformed, indoctrinated or silly.
@@trallfraz If you 'KNOW' then you must have evidence. Please provide it for the rest of us.
@@russellrothwell6942you are obviously clueless in your disparaging of the Bible.
Science and atheism has done more damage to the West in its blind hatred and rage of God.
For goodness sake, wake up
Yep. That's something I've noticed for a long time. Atheists and evolutionary scientists are just fine with stuff springing up or appearing without cause. It's only when someone attributes the springing up and appearing of things to God that they begin to foam at the mouth.😂
You have it reversed. You claim god is the answer. We reject your claim. You present zero credible evidence to substantiate your extraordinary claim. It's that simple. Substantiate your claim or please realize you're offering nothing to the situation.
Scientists have a near iron clad method of arriving a the truth of things. Do I really need to explain how that process has taken us from the middle ages to now? Mean while, theologians have done nothing significant to advance their ancient claims. They just keep praying on the minds incapable of critical thinking. They care nothing of the truth. In so many cultures do they continue to attempt to shroud the truth in attempts to keep their ancient claims alive. Sure some of the stories or fantasy's are nice. But being nice isn't a viable reason to accept something as fact.
God is just silly magic nonsense. Everyone should realise that by now.
@oldphrt Well said good sir.
@@oldphrt More so than stuff springing up from nothing? Really?
@@senorsenior9546 The foaming as you claim is due to the control asserted after the fact. Human representatives claim to speak for god and want to control others.
I suggest another look at the infinite regress argument. It's theists that are arguing for something incredibly complex existing without a cause. No credible individual is Laying claim to other solutions, they are postulating. There is a significant difference.
At least atheists don't lie, they say "I don't know." to many of the YET unanswerable questions. However, a theist will NEVER admit this when asked of the creation of god. It's always "Oh you don't understand. Oh god can not be created. Blah Blah Blah". It's like childish schoolyard talk. "Because. Just because. That's the way it is and I'm not telling you." ......Because you can't!!!!
"atheists don't lie."....Wrong. they lie. they steal. they kill.....they come from the same gene pool every one else does ...and they do the same things. very naive statement.
well said !!!
I wish more humans were capable of this basic level of critical thinking. Good on you for being one of them!
No, sorry, you're the one who's childish and ignorant, not understanding the point Lennox is making. Read some Aristotle, some basic philosophy, it'll help you learn to think. The argument's been around for centuries. There has to be a "necessary," unmoved Mover, an ultimate end to the seemingly infinite regression. Something has to be eternal, immaterial, sufficiently powerful and knowledgeable, and personal, in order to bring into being all the temporal, material, and contingent.
@@warrenhoyt7302 ....because you can't get something from nothing, yeh??? Just explain where your " eternal, immaterial, sufficiently powerful and knowledgeable, and personal" thing comes from. EXPLAIN!! Or is it just magic? do you still believe demons and evil spirits cause disease and mental illness? People did not so long ago, just as now people don't know, INCLUDING you and I, how the universe started. Simply admit it, just as I and many other atheists do.Not YET anyway.
God my father was created by the prayers of father time.Fathertime was frustrated praying for a God that did not exist to bring him a lovelight. So he decided to just pray. This brilliant idea became to be known as the big bang. God showed up with a lovelight.I experienced this over a 2 week period in the 1960,s
Nobody created God because he doesn't exist!!
Correct.
😂😂next joke plz
@ ok. Here’s a good joke.
A fella. A long haired re tard goat herder walked on water ! Fed 5000 people with some warbutons bread. And this is a belter. He died. Ye. But. Rose again !! Now call me old fashioned mate but really hmmmm lol lol lol lol lol lol lol. But Adam and Eve is true ok. Come on. !!! lol lol lol lol
Jesus Christ existed, and was God in human form.
@ you prob think Adam and Eve is real don’t you soft lad ! lol lol lol
Well who?
It's the default option for believers. God isn't subject to any rules, therefore exists outside of all space, time, and history. The lack of evidence of his existence is seen as PROOF of his existence. It's why no serious discussion can be had on the subject.
The same way you have no proof of self created or ever existing universe and you still belive in any materialistic explanatio that fits your worldview
As for evidence Christians refer to resurection, so it is a matter of belief or disbelief in it.
@@niktiktos "As for evidence Christians refer to resurection, so it is a matter of belief or disbelief in it."
Belief is not evidence, no matter how many people hold it. For instance there are unfortunately untold numbers of people here in the US alone who believe the Holocaust never happened.
@@ji8044
You do not get it. Every evidence need belief. There is no self evidence in our reality. We use reason to make it true or false in our minds. It can be good or poor evidence and you make a choice.
Btw, you somehow forgor to mention your proof for self creation, i am eager to learn it ...
Circular argument
@@niktiktos "Every evidence need belief."
That is entirely false. If you jump off a cliff, the evidence is that you are going to die, whether or not you believe you will.
"you somehow forgor to mention your proof for self creation"
Right after you tell me how to create a planet with a thought.
Poor Dawkins ! It’s a good job his followers are here to explain what he can’t…………
Everyone has a created god. If he doesn’t provide their most pressing needs, he doesn’t exist.
People will do what they do, the only reason they need a god is to do things they want to do, without the responsibility for thoughts. There are few things scarier than a person who does things because,,,,,,
You might as well say “it’s magic”
Lennox has only one argument - he does not understand something so his god did it.
the most foolish question ever asked by the little mean and feeble creature who is liable to damage and decay .
"Who created God?" This to me, is a brilliant question because a thinking, seven-year-old Sunday School child can ask it. But not even a professor with Post-Doc experience can answer it. And I like the question too, because it points I think, to the rather uncomfortable suggestion that we humans are limited in our understanding. Professor Laithwaite wrote an article once about multiplying (I think!!) umbrellas by bananas, and getting grandfather clocks! And his first point is that adult people (especially engineers!) are reluctant to admit: "I don't know!" And so it is about REALITY. There are simply things we do not know (and it doesn't matter who you are, or what your worldview is or how educated you are!) . So, Who created God? I might say: "Well, you can ask Him, when you see Him!" But you may not need to ask the question because suddenly, you'll understand the answer, and then you will also see with crystal clarity, that it was an irrelevant question. But ....I don't know!
There is absolutely no evidence for the existence of God - he/she/it exists solely in the mind of the believer. If it were true that God exists then no one could disbelieve. But where is the evidence? Best to accept Paul's claims that "we see through a glass darkly" and that charity comes before faith and hope.
The eloquence of Dawkins words and the vocal cords with which the words are articulated ; and the uniqueness of his voice and that of every man, together with the interactions of literally thousands of molecules in a key and lock specificity that underpines the process of life demands a intelligent designer. And that is either God or evolution. To me its God!
There was no big bang
Whoever created is God is the one created us all.
All gods were created by human being, depend on cultures, however,people try to find answers in religions and magic thinking
This has remained the question I hate most in my life because it breeds the tendency of atheism in fools. Why ask question that you don't any one or knowledge around to answer. Just worship this great and mighty God and forget about this stupid question.
There's no other Creator except Him...
@@MncedisiFulani please post up your evidence.
@@firedome8 You exist don't you. Look in the mirror. You're the evidence. Goodness me.
@@lawrence1318 this is why we need to teach logic reason and critical thinking in grade school.
@@firedome8 And it is why you need to enrol in a logic course.
@@lawrence1318 so school me , post up the evidence for your version of "god" that will change the world then you can participate in all the debates and put the atheist in their place. So the spotlight is on you ......go😗
Excellent explanation sir
Same nonsense every time: "god exists because the bible says so". That's all apologists had, that's all they have and that's all they will ever have.
But I say: " sauron exists because the lord of the rings book says so"
There is zero difference between these 2 sentences.
Dont worry, we will all find out sooner or later 😊
or not
As usual Lennox is FOS.
Whats your counter argument?
@anilkanda611 logic reason and rational thought . He is claiming the Bible best describes reality as we know it and that is simply delusional, as I pointed out .
The answer is simple. God is the chicken and the egg. He is the plant and it's seed.
So God is the sperm and the egg? Wouldn't that make God "intersex"? Maybe we should be referring to God as "they". After all, God refers to "us" in Genesis.
God is the alpha and omega 🙏
I prefer the Pangburn and Alex O'Connor videos because they put out the whole interview not just edited bits cut to make it look they way that suits them.
2:35 Created gods are actual gods that CAN exist, he got it completely backwards. Not sure why it got so much laughter.
Like imagine we could create some kind of slime that had intelligence, and was able to scale it's capabilities based on it's intelligence, and it would grow and copy itself until it absorbed entire planet, then being able to gather intelligence of 10 billion supercomputers with AI from 10 000 years into the future (given this thing could survive just by itself) it could figure out abilities that are beyond our imagination, like becoming lighter, weighing like 100 kilos instead of gigatons with some kind of anti-gravity perhaps? Or maybe it could be able to project itself to a planet with capabilities like Iron Man in latest movie, with something that's far more advanced than nano suit.
Given it's immense intelligence and ability to modify matter, it could create a machine, perhaps inside of itself, or outside itself the very least, capable of printing living organism.
The only god that could exist is that kind of god, that has presence in this world. But yeah perhaps there's a possibility in some sort of deist god outside of this, or it could just be a nerd that has recently bought supercomputer and runs the "Universe 16" video game, and that guy with the glasses is the "creator" with no infinite wisdom or no infinite capabilities, as he/she is not even able to write the code that the game is made of. Even if there exists creator, we couldn't be sure that he even knows that we exist, or that our universe exists (multiverse creating god). There's no way to even theorize how such god would be able to gain memories or knowledge, and not just be some kind of creative force.
But yeah, laugh all you want, the metal gods are coming soon.
Lennox is the stereotypical smug, condescending, know-it-all religious apologist who slaughters logic to prove creationism!
Where is the beef in this answer? Its mere rhetoric. He is only speculating.
Who made god? Man made god. Or did gods make themselves?
God created man so that man will create him (God). That is the design. Thesame way cell phone manufacturer program their phones to display their logo from memory during start up.
Brilliant reply. Lennox is a tough debater.
Brilliant? Using special pleading is brilliant?
he is lost in his mind of indoctrination. He will NEVER prove any god(s) exist.
@@VeljaPopov It's not special pleading. It's deduction.
@@lawrence1318 if you're aiming to avoid special pleading by deduction, you would need a logically consistent argument that demonstrates why god is necessarily uncreated, rather than arbitrarily exempted from the rule. So saying god always existed because the Bible says so, or because I believe it to be true, is not a logically consistent reason or proof for your claim.
@@VeljaPopov It's not a matter of what the bible says fella. It's a philosophical issue. As Dawkins points out, if God is created then you end up in an infinite regression, which constitutes a fallacy.
So God must not be created and Dawkins actually defeats himself.
Think a bit before you mouth of with your sophomore legalese "special pleading".
If an individual or whatever label you place the very act of speaking of God is the very fact your talking about God is felt seen and described in many ways. Just because God is allowing all this to exist in the 1st place, what wrong is this person doing when all he’s don’t is trying to make sense of what is happening brave to allow others to see and experience it with him and he’s acted for it please allow this person to connect if that’s what he’s doing. Just like he gave you a chance you are not the one to make that choice. You are clearly demonstrating the lack of understanding if I were said being this isn’t what I’m saying nor will say. Find hope, happiness, security in your truth but never take away the only thing we hold on to.
What?
1{To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.} The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
2The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
3They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
4Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the LORD.
5There were they in great fear: for God is in the generation of the righteous
I see a lot of people taking up for the atheist by saying there is no proof that someone created God…an argument no one is arguing. Meanwhile you ask us to believe all this came from nothing. There was nothing there but all that nothing became something and then that something came together and became this. Talk about word salads. Look…if you don’t want to believe…that is entirely up to you. But you’re belittling me because I do…doesn’t mean anything for me except sadness for you. Thanks for your time.
Who said there was nothing? Nobody says that except christians making strawman arguments.
Please provide the evidence there was ever nothing...
He didn't leave Richard Dawkins speechless, you just never recorded his response. Big difference.
Dawkins is a very smart man. Headline is misleading. Faith is faith and cannot be proved nor should atheists be criticized for not having that faith.
In the God Delusion, he claims that the first three of Aquinas' Five Ways are saying the same thing.
*That* argument would get you laughed out of a first year philosophy lecture, by fellow atheists in said lecture, nevermind any theists, deists and agnostics also in attendance.
He's smart within his field. He's an idiot when it comes to philosophy, theology and history.
Dawkins is the absolute leader of fools
how anyone believes in random chances created, all we have, is beyond my ability to understand....
The fact it is beyond your ability to understand has no bearing on whether it is true. And your statement belies you lack of understanding of evolution.
I made it 14 seconds yeah a thinking person can’t figure out God. God is spirit you receive him and experience him filled with his spirit or you reject him deny him and are empty. Thinking people who reject God think they are bananas or monkeys yeah that’s how it works ❤️
"Who created God?" Mr. Money...
Yup... Mr. Money promised that God will make the donor's life continue after death!!! A real winner...