How Did Madara Break Edo Tensei??

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  • @pepsibIue
    @pepsibIue 8 місяців тому +3026

    I feel like Tobirama didn't want to break it because he wants to go back to the pure lands after the war.

    • @omeralt15
      @omeralt15 8 місяців тому +59

      Don't he meant the fight with hiruzen?

    • @personataplace4734
      @personataplace4734 8 місяців тому +140

      ​@omeralt15 there was never a chance for him to since as he said it only works as edo tensei is being released.
      also orochimaru had full control, that being the difference between orochimaru and kabuto when they use edo tensei.

    • @rubenrelvamoniz
      @rubenrelvamoniz 8 місяців тому +70

      Orochimaru unlike the first time enforced no control over tobirama. So tobirama felt no need to break out of orochimaru's control.

    • @AudazVerdugo
      @AudazVerdugo 8 місяців тому +26

      He wasn’t in the pure lands he was reaper death sealed

    • @Voxcast07
      @Voxcast07 8 місяців тому +4

      *gets eaten by reaper death seal*

  • @blueblade6174
    @blueblade6174 8 місяців тому +1862

    Madara's plot armor is criminally overlooked.

    • @OkSear
      @OkSear 8 місяців тому +83

      It really is. And every time I bring it up, people shjt on me. But let the community continue to fanboy over that character. He's one of my least favourite characters in the Narutoverse.

    • @xrosso6515
      @xrosso6515 8 місяців тому +16

      1000000000000%

    • @HaloGoated
      @HaloGoated 8 місяців тому +32

      I've been fighting his fanboys for years now

    • @kendricklenox5672
      @kendricklenox5672 8 місяців тому +43

      All Uchiha present have mad plot armour

    • @blueblade6174
      @blueblade6174 8 місяців тому +48

      @@kendricklenox5672 but Madara's is the worst yet least discussed. Sasuke's at least is constantly called out.

  • @yamato9753
    @yamato9753 8 місяців тому +961

    Tobirama: "HOW. did. you. break. out?"
    Madara: "You can break out if you know the hand-signs. You don't know that jutsu very well, do ya?"
    Tobirama: "YOU DIRTY MFER, I INVENTED IT"

    • @GGGKT0
      @GGGKT0 8 місяців тому +65

      Madara:also doesn't minato do flying thunder god better than you. You have made a lot of jutsu but other people had to perfect it

    • @Enbi_bitch2
      @Enbi_bitch2 8 місяців тому +40

      ​@@GGGKT0in tobiramas defense, he didn't use flying raijin nearly as much as Minato who used it so much he got the nickname yellow flash
      Minato only used shadow clones rasengan and flying raijin, tobirama some had diversity in his attacks

    • @GGGKT0
      @GGGKT0 8 місяців тому +8

      @@Enbi_bitch2 flying raijin is the only jutsu tobirama when he was brought back using edo tensei in the fourth great shinobi world War to my knowledge that is

    • @Enbi_bitch2
      @Enbi_bitch2 8 місяців тому +7

      @@GGGKT0 i think he used water style and shadow clones
      And what does have to do with it

    • @GGGKT0
      @GGGKT0 8 місяців тому +10

      @@Enbi_bitch2 we know tobirama has a arsenal but we never see him use that many jutsu similar to hiruzen and kakashi

  • @nicoladamiani9731
    @nicoladamiani9731 8 місяців тому +1558

    It's basically another time when the plot took a turn because Madara needed to be op. There are. A lot of those times.

    • @SlumpdWiz
      @SlumpdWiz 8 місяців тому +21

      Absolute facts!

    • @bluntslt8023
      @bluntslt8023 8 місяців тому +4

      ​@@SlumpdWiz Absolute Power***

    • @progamer_otaku6542
      @progamer_otaku6542 8 місяців тому +47

      Yup another example snatching Kakashi eye and using Obito’s ability, even though Kakashi eye doesn’t bring the individual into the dimension.

    • @ladariusholmes1215
      @ladariusholmes1215 8 місяців тому +11

      It balanced out in the end, by him getting stabbed in the back, despite him dodging moves from behind the whole war.

    • @raoufdali1049
      @raoufdali1049 8 місяців тому +13

      ​@@progamer_otaku6542 you know the Kamui Kakashi use creat a portal that send to the same dimension Obito use
      So yeah Kakashi and Madara could send themselves to the Kamui dimension (the MS powers like Amaterasu Tsukuyomi all depends on the field of vision of the user,
      the Kamui portal can be created anywhere if it's still in his field of vision
      (so they just create a portal close enough to their location for them to teleport)
      It's not incoherent or a new ability it's the same ability but with a clever usage

  • @scorpion8045
    @scorpion8045 8 місяців тому +192

    With how much plot armor my boy Madara had it really seemed like he should've won.

    • @noparkingnoparking
      @noparkingnoparking 8 місяців тому +13

      would have preferred if Rock Lee beat him and then that's when Black Zetsu takes over his body. would have been the hypest moment in the series

    • @tavonknight398
      @tavonknight398 8 місяців тому +5

      He definately would off won cause Kishimoto was feeling Madara's wave a was about to make him slap a hoe but he knew Madara had to lose tho he did thing of the best way to kill he sold Madara in the end

    • @lolfraekyking
      @lolfraekyking 6 місяців тому +2

      @@tavonknight398 He died by the one and only thing that could have killed madara. He died by black zetsu which he believed was his very own will. He got betrayed once more by something he thought would never betray him. So he let his guard down. Dying by betrayal is the only way he should have died any way. Stronger than anyone else in the narutoverse. His whole life he got betrayed. So it was fine he died like this.

  • @NicotheTemplarTerminator
    @NicotheTemplarTerminator 8 місяців тому +286

    Tobirama prolly didn’t wanna release himself cause he wanted to back to ninja heaven

    • @happylife4471
      @happylife4471 8 місяців тому +20

      He was in hell

    • @awesome-dp1oo
      @awesome-dp1oo 8 місяців тому +8

      He could've taken control of himself and ended his own reanimation, but orochimatu stripped him of his free will

    • @DromusTH
      @DromusTH 8 місяців тому

      ​@@happylife4471Heaven

    • @wolfender1241
      @wolfender1241 8 місяців тому +5

      Orochimaru's soul was stronger than tobirama and Madara was in grace period

    • @nicmalugin-dm9ju
      @nicmalugin-dm9ju 7 місяців тому +1

      @@awesome-dp1ooThat’s what people aren’t talking about that’s the whole reason it didn’t work

  • @Netherwolf6100
    @Netherwolf6100 8 місяців тому +271

    Both Hashirama and Tobirama *COULD* break out of it, if they wanted to. Neither saw any reason during the war arc because they weren't being controlled against their will, and Orichimaru couldn't stop them without first suppressing their power and personalities.

    • @tolkienblack
      @tolkienblack 8 місяців тому +34

      Thank you. It wouldn’t have been as easy for tobirama. He would’ve had to do it when orochimaru wasn’t focused but still he could

    • @zangetsukurosaki4027
      @zangetsukurosaki4027 8 місяців тому +14

      Why wouldn’t they break out when first summoned to fight Hiruzen tho that’s the problem. You think they wanted to kill Hiruzen?

    • @ditchfx411
      @ditchfx411 8 місяців тому +9

      I’m pretty sure he’s referring to when edo tensei was used in Naruto during the fight against the third hokage. Hashirama and tobirama were both brought back and they would definitely have used the hand seal method to free themselves.

    • @goliathcleric
      @goliathcleric 8 місяців тому +19

      @@zangetsukurosaki4027 for the same reason as the 4th hokage was in the edo tensei coffin that Orochimaru summoned. Kishimoto hadn't thought of the rest of the plot yet.

    • @orochimarupr
      @orochimarupr 8 місяців тому +1

      Tobirama was never breaking out even if he tried.

  • @Joeyhate
    @Joeyhate 8 місяців тому +75

    I kinda love this. In the beginning of Naruto, keeping hand signs descreet was important so your enemie couldn't either duplicate it or counter it. That fell off fast when people started spamming the same 2 jutsus.

    • @kslayer55
      @kslayer55 8 місяців тому +6

      Imagine a steam line version of naruto sort of like jujitsu kaisen / fresh high paced action, with a variety of jutsu happening/ that'd be sick

    • @nikamoreillus661
      @nikamoreillus661 7 місяців тому +2

      With the Uchiha around that was never an option in the first place lol, plus y the fuck are you hiding your handsigns literally nobody did that.

  • @tealgorthian
    @tealgorthian 8 місяців тому +342

    Did he basically.. Edo Tensei him for himself?

    • @necrogirl20
      @necrogirl20 8 місяців тому +80

      Yes. He summoned himself because he knew how to do it. And already had a vessel prepared ready and he was already fucking inside it.
      I don't see why people think it's some plot hole.
      Why wouldn't you be able to summon yourself if you where already there.

    • @cmelikethat
      @cmelikethat 8 місяців тому +33

      ​@@necrogirl20Do you hear yourself when you type. Orichimarro would have just taught kaubuto the hand signs make him realse and than boom he has an immortal body

    • @-Beliver-Edits-
      @-Beliver-Edits- 8 місяців тому +2

      ​@@necrogirl20 that actually makes sense 🤔

    • @Reesemike
      @Reesemike 8 місяців тому +13

      So, where did he learn the hand signs? Tobirama was never stated to use it in the war because if he did, people would definitely have talked about it. Kabuto didn’t teach it to him because why would he? That would ruin his plans. In fact, there are lots of reasons he shouldn’t know it. The fact that he knew the hand signs at all doesn’t make sense.

    • @omeralt15
      @omeralt15 8 місяців тому +2

      ​@@Reesemike
      Tobirama invented it in the war especially to fight ttue Uchiha

  • @vladislavpetkov2271
    @vladislavpetkov2271 8 місяців тому +136

    TensEi
    It's not an A or an I
    Jeez that pissed me off so much.. 😂😂😂

  • @xemnadicaxolando2217
    @xemnadicaxolando2217 8 місяців тому +11

    I think Madara used the handsigns to *cast* Edo Tensei into himself, so before his sould got unstuck from his body he "resurrected himself as his own zombie slave". Tobirama might not be aware of that interaction/feature, (also, I think the jutsu changed from his version with Orochimaru working out some kinks)

    • @biljancanin
      @biljancanin 7 місяців тому

      He used Rinne Rebirth on himself. It's different from Edo Tensei. Rinne Rebirth makes you Immortal again comparing to Edo Tensei you being a walking corpse controlled by someone else. This short is full of crap

    • @nobody42071
      @nobody42071 6 місяців тому

      Tobirama invented it so of course he knew. What Madara did was rescinding the contract with Kabuto. By doing so, i was free of his mouvements until he decided to go back to the afterlife

  • @GameCyborgCh
    @GameCyborgCh 8 місяців тому +15

    Kishimoto: wrote kaguya because he wrote himself into a corner
    also kishimoto: had like a half a dozen opportunites to get tid of him

    • @SuperDababy2
      @SuperDababy2 8 місяців тому

      Kaguya actually has a decent bit of setup, she wasn't made because Kishi wrote himself into a corner.

    • @mochoman312games2
      @mochoman312games2 8 місяців тому +2

      He didn't write himself into a corner his original plot was to have Madara as the big bad but his editor and a lot of people at jump wanted him to make a way to continue the story because they wanted it to be like the other big anime at the time

    • @worminaround
      @worminaround 7 місяців тому

      ​​@@mochoman312games2bro if Kishimoto fucking just continue what he wanted and not follow anyone We would've appreciated Naruto Shippuden probably way better

    • @dylanaruto20
      @dylanaruto20 7 місяців тому +1

      @@worminaroundif Kishimoto had his way, we’d have more adventures with Team 7 and the konoha genin before the chunin exams. But the execs wanted him to skip straight to the exams.

    • @worminaround
      @worminaround 7 місяців тому +2

      @@dylanaruto20 Ngl I would love that, more world building is always nice

  • @deathswitch2404
    @deathswitch2404 8 місяців тому +13

    Tobirama wanted Hasiramas permission before doing it & Hashirama told him no... And he respected that

    • @worminaround
      @worminaround 7 місяців тому

      Well i mean it is his older brother soo why oppose

  • @Reesemike
    @Reesemike 8 місяців тому +40

    Wait so you’re telling me Minato and all of the Hokage could still be alive right now if Tobirama just said hey use these signs

    • @thebestman5382
      @thebestman5382 8 місяців тому +13

      Wait no, okay this pissed me off your telling me we could have had more screen time with not only the tail beast jinkuriki but also more time with Minato

    • @JoahTheThread5ive
      @JoahTheThread5ive 8 місяців тому +15

      With what hands?

    • @seventoast
      @seventoast 8 місяців тому +2

      If any old genin or ninja academy student does the hand signs for say, _chidori,_ will they actually form one?
      So if I say "If you know the hand signs, it's possible to create a chidori" we'd both understand that while the hand signs are _a_ requisite, they aren't _the_ requisite; you also have to be a very capable ninja with highly developed chakra transformation. See where I'm going with this?
      Madara broke out because he knew the signs AND *he's a god of war, Uchiha Madara.* While Hashirama is on par with him in terms of potency, and Tobirama and Minato are on par with him in terms of ninjutsu genius, Madara is the only one who's powerful, skillful and _aware_ enough to get revived in the midst of war and not only quickly notice a flaw in the Edo Tensei, but also exploit it to his advantage. Minato and Tobirama could probably do it too, but they'd need time to figure it out; time they won't have in the midst of battle. Hashirama is simply too carefree to consider doing so unless he absolutely had to, even if he was explicitly aware that it was possible.
      Also good guys always act funny when you bring them back from the dead. All that "I shouldn't be here. My time has passed. The world doesn't need me anymore" BS. I'd be like f*ck allat bro bring me back 😂 but the hokage may have been thinking along the lines of "cheating death is not the way to win" and so refused to tamper with the Edo Tensei

    • @Reesemike
      @Reesemike 8 місяців тому +1

      @@JoahTheThread5ive he had hands at the when he was summoned he could have used it then

    • @Reesemike
      @Reesemike 8 місяців тому +6

      @@seventoast That's how it worked for Kakashi when he used Water Dragon; he did the hand signs, and it worked. He didn't know the jutsu before fighting Zabuza. Also, why would Madara know the hand signs? If he did know them, why didn't he use them to bring his brother back or help him win the war? There is really no reason he should know it. Why wouldn’t he have used it sooner you know like before he died of old age. Orochimaru couldn't have taught him, and neither would Tobirama or Kabuto. They definitely wouldn't have allowed him to learn it. There are far more reasons as to why he would’ve known the jutsu; than there are saying he would.

  • @boyankovachev7982
    @boyankovachev7982 8 місяців тому +15

    He was literally being released from Kabuto's Edi Tensei, when he did it on himself. Like the guy in the first reply said, but he couldn't have done it if he wasn't being released by it, that's so fcking obvious that I have no idea why it's so hard to get for some people.

    • @dustinlewis4948
      @dustinlewis4948 8 місяців тому +3

      This guy an others don't really be watching the show sometimes.

    • @lucario2able
      @lucario2able 8 місяців тому +8

      Main thing is, how the f did he know the signs? Nobody taught him. When dud he see them? A quick clarifying flashback wouldn't have killed kishi.

    • @elektra8535
      @elektra8535 8 місяців тому

      ​@@lucario2ablehe knows shadow clone jutsu existence and he lived peacefully for a time in Konoha so he it si plausible he could see what Tobirama created

    • @lucario2able
      @lucario2able 8 місяців тому +7

      @elektra8535 plausible isnt a concrete explanation. Tobirama also seemed to have a healthy distrust of the Uchiha since they were always fighting and killing each other. Lmfao. Why would he allow people he perceived as enemies especially Madara to learn a jutsu such as that? If he learned it why wouldn't he use it against Hashirama in their big climactic fight as well? The point is kishi never gave us an explanation and it deserved one without one it's a plot hole.

    • @lucario2able
      @lucario2able 8 місяців тому +5

      @elektra8535 plus there's a difference between knowing a jutsu exists and being able to do it.

  • @Soulryu11
    @Soulryu11 8 місяців тому +9

    I just took it as him using edo tensi to revive himself so now he’s the one who done did it

  • @joshu456
    @joshu456 8 місяців тому +2

    Thank you I was honestly curious about this and I didn't even know Merry Christmas Nick🎉

  • @Dragon_King10
    @Dragon_King10 8 місяців тому +1

    Love the sweater, man.

  • @mjohn3126
    @mjohn3126 8 місяців тому

    I always loved how half way through Shippuden Kishimoto just either forgot all the rules he established or just didn’t care.

  • @piercingheaven5038
    @piercingheaven5038 8 місяців тому +2

    Kishi does this and everyone yells “asspull.” Gege Akutami does the exact same type of thing and no one bats an eye.

    • @xtreme808
      @xtreme808 8 місяців тому

      This may come off as egotistical but people will come to realize Gege does it too like thats just a fact. This happens with every overhyped anime, people dont recognize any of the flaws and cope and say "he has a plan". After jjk ends that excuse won't work anymore and people will start to see the problems with the series.

    • @wood5596
      @wood5596 7 місяців тому +1

      Idk about u but everyone talks about sukunas plot armor and geges treatment of him if that’s who you’re referring to

  • @luckyghost7777
    @luckyghost7777 8 місяців тому +3

    Oh I thought that if you knew the hand signs for eso tensei that when it’s broken you can keep your self in your vessel by weaving the hand signs , but you can’t just brake his control by using the hand signs at anytime

    • @TheCrazyCapMaster
      @TheCrazyCapMaster 8 місяців тому +2

      You could technically break their control too, but an Edo Tensei caster with any sense wouldn’t let the Reanimation weave those hand signs- they can paralyze them in an instant to prevent it. So Madara waited until it became obvious to him that the caster had released the jutsu and given up control of the Reanimations before he tried freeing himself altogether.

  • @shaddyboi36
    @shaddyboi36 8 місяців тому +1

    😯😯😯 you stay dropping gems

  • @OctalKingGaming
    @OctalKingGaming 6 місяців тому

    Kishimoto: I’ll allow it. Saves me time from coming up with something else

  • @nickmoran8801
    @nickmoran8801 8 місяців тому

    It’s a good point to move the story along tho like it shouldn’t be all knowing it’s a journey like what we do when we read

  • @mathanon217
    @mathanon217 8 місяців тому

    In the case of orochimaru summoning the senju Brothers against hiruzen he used cursed seals that reinforced the control method of edo tensai which weakened them more but made them easier to control. In a flashback episode we see orochimaru use edo to bring back 3rd kazekage to fight puppet 3rd kazekage and while the edo version was winning he had a key phrase mentioned that made him break the control and will himself back to death which would probably be used as in universe justification for why orochimaru made the cursed seals he used on the senju bros to keep them under control.

  • @sapheyersoftsounds7693
    @sapheyersoftsounds7693 8 місяців тому +6

    Because they needed to not have Madara lose to something that should've stopped him

  • @Megidramon
    @Megidramon 8 місяців тому

    This could be explained by the fact that both Tobirama and Hashirama were torn away from the Pure Lands by Orochimaru summoning and Hiruzen then Repaer Death Sealing them.
    They were both in the Pure Lands up to that point, and then neither one was able to return, so they probably just wanted to go back, since you apparently keep the awareness of your time in the Pure Lands.

  • @flwrchldbeck
    @flwrchldbeck 8 місяців тому

    I wore that exact sweater yesterday to our Christmas get together!!

  • @Derrickmarquis
    @Derrickmarquis 14 днів тому

    What's crazier us that the edo tensei used on madara was changed by 2 different people but those signs still worked.

  • @Ecclesio-Y2K
    @Ecclesio-Y2K 8 місяців тому +10

    I quote “ Biggest ass pull in literature “

  • @SaberKT14
    @SaberKT14 8 місяців тому

    I think it actually makes sense. It’s not simply the person knowing the handsigns, it’s them recasting the jutsu on themself, gaining control over their own form. The reason it would be in the grace period is because before, another user has control over them, and after, they already returned to the pure lands. Tobirama wouldn’t have been able to anyway because the he wasn’t released, so someone else has(orochimaru) has control, and there was simply no point.

  • @beavers1978
    @beavers1978 7 місяців тому

    I always thought it was a variation of Reverse Summoning. Instead of the person getting summoned back, it's the contract that gets reversed, effectively erasing the bond between the summoner and the summoned from existence.

  • @philippecharitat467
    @philippecharitat467 7 місяців тому

    When it came to the 4 hokage who were reanimated they had no need to break it because it wasn't activated in a servant form, they were brought back without any restrictions.

  • @dreamcream3738
    @dreamcream3738 8 місяців тому +5

    Tobirama and Hashirama had reason not to break out of Orochimaru's "control" for lack of a better term in that situation; because if they broke out, and Orochimaru releases it, they'd be *stuck*in their edo tensei bodies.
    Madara broke himself free only when doing so meant he could keep fighting as and edo tensei reanimation as opposed to being taken out of play.

  • @TheGlennLife
    @TheGlennLife 8 місяців тому

    Ok NGL I heard what you're saying, but I couldn't stop looking at the absolute drip of that sweatshirt, kinda stole the show 🤙😂

  • @ChatmonsCorner
    @ChatmonsCorner 8 місяців тому

    Personal head Canon that only works if you assume hand signs are short cuts and not static inputs. If the signs are short cuts for molding your chakra then you can cast multiple jutsus many different ways. For example we see multiple people use water dragon jutsu and with the exception of Zabuza and Kakashi they all use different hand signs to cast it. So although Kabuto uses edo tensi you don't know what hand signs he weaved to use the jutsu. Add a splash of Zetsu was spying on the Kabuto, Sauske, and Itachi fight and you have an easy relay back to his edo ally Madera

  • @axelfure
    @axelfure 28 днів тому

    I think a better way to do it would’ve been to have be the ten tails and either have the regeneration it provides just revive him or have him say that with all that power he could break Edo Tensei. Maybe have the effort still weaken him a little for his fight against Naruto and Sasuke where they eventually defeat him before Zetsu kills him.

  • @Jamex07
    @Jamex07 7 місяців тому

    Lord Second may not have known that Madara knew the seals to Edo Tensei and figured the fight was finally over.

  • @JokerMr13
    @JokerMr13 5 місяців тому

    Orochimaru did say to himself that both Hashirama and Tobirama could break free from the control at any time when they first brought back the Kage but decided not to. My guess is that Tobirama wanted to learn more of the motivation of Sasuke before acting and Hashirama wanted to play the diplomat before making a decision

  • @c.comics5999
    @c.comics5999 8 місяців тому +1

    He had 15 Uchiha slaves in heaven and he was worried they would run away

  • @blitzvii322
    @blitzvii322 8 місяців тому

    everytim he said edo "tensai", I died a little

  • @stardemyummi1961
    @stardemyummi1961 8 місяців тому +2

    I strongly believe Tobirama was just fed up with all of the idiots and just wanted to leave

  • @user-yg1bz9oo9z
    @user-yg1bz9oo9z 7 місяців тому

    This deserves to go viral.

  • @Ignis_morus
    @Ignis_morus 8 місяців тому +1

    Tensei.... EI... IDK why I care but hearing Tensai so maybe times in a row I was just surprised

  • @masonrobinson7009
    @masonrobinson7009 8 місяців тому

    NCHammer the kind of guy to clutch his purse while he pumps gas.

  • @TreyDa3rd22
    @TreyDa3rd22 8 місяців тому +6

    Marry Christmas

    • @Reesemike
      @Reesemike 8 місяців тому

      Who’s Marry Christmas

    • @TreyDa3rd22
      @TreyDa3rd22 8 місяців тому

      To everyone

  • @IM_7031
    @IM_7031 8 місяців тому +1

    I think they should've actually let Madara be killed by Itachi's reversal of Edo Tensei, just as he's about to kill the 5 Kage. Then, for the good chunk of the War arc we'd have Obito as the sole main villain. Then, after Juubito is defeated, Black Zetsu does what he originally did and takes over Obito, performs Rinne Rebirth, and revives Madara. Yeah we'd have less time with Madara, but it's better than the Deus Ex Machina they gave us as to how he survived.

  • @BHTube94
    @BHTube94 8 місяців тому

    Remember that Orochimaru had him bound with the added Hashirama cells in his body

  • @deltaromeo2472
    @deltaromeo2472 8 місяців тому

    Knowing the hand signs seems legit. How many people are gonna know that 🤷🏿😂

  • @theodoremcdowell-ul5tl
    @theodoremcdowell-ul5tl 8 місяців тому

    Love the vid but the best part for me is the naruto Christmas sweater haha

  • @mythking541
    @mythking541 8 місяців тому

    I think this plot-hole can be covered up as it being akin to a summoning reverse summoning back to where they came, even if the timer for the summoning jutsu is still active. But, assuming it takes more chakra to return to the Pure Land, the Edo Tensei, if the y have enough chakra pool, can only break the contract between the original user and make themselves the new user of the Edo Tensei.

  • @The_Hamdalorian
    @The_Hamdalorian 7 місяців тому

    Pretty sure this dude just set the record for saying edo tensei the most times in one UA-cam short

  • @WallaWaller
    @WallaWaller 8 місяців тому

    Imagine using Edo Tensei and the person you summoned just says "nah fam, you on your own." and undoes their own reanimation.

  • @yeeterofannoyingpeople4003
    @yeeterofannoyingpeople4003 8 місяців тому

    He just didn’t want to carry on, knowing the uchihas were still alive💀

  • @chasinslade-davis9543
    @chasinslade-davis9543 8 місяців тому +1

    Madara has insane amounts of plot armor, until when he finally loses to the plot

  • @JohnDoe_Gaming
    @JohnDoe_Gaming 8 місяців тому

    Tobirama's movements were restricted when Orochimaru summoned him. Literally he said he could break free only for Orochimaru to strengthen the hold.

  • @jonathancrosby1583
    @jonathancrosby1583 8 місяців тому

    I always assumed the how was by performing edo tensi on himself while already in that state he took control of himself away like if tsunade tried to summon hashirama it would transfer control of him to her much the same way as it achieved was able to use the crow to koto amasukami himself to the Shinobu alliance

  • @Dotaitos92
    @Dotaitos92 8 місяців тому

    Yo that sweater is fire

  • @simonworth2535
    @simonworth2535 7 місяців тому

    Wasn't Tobirama being restrained by his brother's chakra output. I'm pretty sure he says something along the lines of "dang I can't move anymore, brother"

  • @TheWeezyfly
    @TheWeezyfly 8 місяців тому

    Madara loves his brother so much he didn’t bring him back to life lol

  • @jakes7342
    @jakes7342 8 місяців тому

    Remember though he had modified and improved upon said jitsu so maybe Madera knew something about the improvements that the 2nd hokage didn't.Also orochimaru himself said the first hokage could have broken out of that jitsu at any time had he wanted during the whole Sasuke taking to the old hokage scene.

  • @darknesswave100
    @darknesswave100 8 місяців тому

    The way nick says edo tensei bugs the crap out of me. He says it like it's edo tensai 😂

  • @dswynne
    @dswynne 7 місяців тому

    And that's why I see canon sources as guides rather rules. Too many times, the authors of these sources are not consistent even with their own stuff. Example: you would think that Might Guy would have created the Sage version of the Hidden Lotus, thereby surpassing the Gate of Death, with something like, oh, the Gate of Rebirth, symbolizing the bonds of one's mortality being discarded. Heck, throw in a dragon motif in the mix, if you want Guy to learn how and from whom he was able to surpass his limits from.

  • @MudTV1
    @MudTV1 8 місяців тому

    🗣 the sweater is 🔥

  • @chaseowens9627
    @chaseowens9627 8 місяців тому

    It’s entirely possible that Madara realized he was going to disappear from it being released and he just said “fuckit” and tried to do it on himself to see if it would work. It’s very well could have been a on the spot last ditch effort. I’d imagine that neither Tobirama or Hashirama were ever in a position where the jutsu was being released and they had a reason to stay. He may have created the jutsu but that doesn’t mean he knows every in and out about how it functions. It’s probably only possible to do if the jutsu is released and you do it before your body fades away. The only time Tobirama and Hasirama were ever on the receiving end of the jutsu was when Orochimaru brought them back, the only time they were being released from the jutsu was after the war was over, they had no reason to stay so and they probably were unaware they could perform it on themselves.

  • @gunnipeliot288
    @gunnipeliot288 8 місяців тому +6

    Damn this ish is fresh as hell

  • @ConfusedBubbleTea-ps4nv
    @ConfusedBubbleTea-ps4nv 7 місяців тому

    1-Plot
    2-Why stay
    3-Memory
    4-Did'tn want to

  • @vfddawg
    @vfddawg 7 місяців тому

    It's not even because Tobirama wanted to return to the pure lands, it's because being an edo with free will in combat is incredibly useful.

  • @HaiyvnDestiny
    @HaiyvnDestiny 7 місяців тому

    Damn totally looked over that. Gotta admit dudes wild!

  • @torinsnotmyname827
    @torinsnotmyname827 8 місяців тому

    I mean if madara is to be a generational-strongest in the universe shinobi it makes sense that he could spy in on Tobirama & konoha’s activities especially w black zetsu, on top of him doing exactly that accidentally (albeit in an anime filler scene) when overhearing the hashirama & tobirama’s conversation.
    It wouldn’t be the longest stretch in naruto to assume that Madara, the Sasuke to our unseen manga knew the ins & outs of edo tensei

  • @richardstone530
    @richardstone530 8 місяців тому

    It’s probably like when someone realizes they are in a Genjutsu and knows how to release it.

  • @jossgoyanko7006
    @jossgoyanko7006 8 місяців тому

    Honestly, there's an easy fix for this from a writing perspective: Orochimaru already said that he used a modified version of Edo Tensei to bring back Madara in his prime. So just have the modified version be an invention of Madara.
    1) It makes sense Madara would want to one-up Tobirama by making an improved version of his own jutsu.
    2) It would justify Madara having a back door to escape it.
    3) It would be a much simpler and easier to accept way for Madara to have planned his ressurection instead of the "time-released reality warping jutsu" that Kishimoto went with instead.

  • @ryanhickson6399
    @ryanhickson6399 8 місяців тому

    For tobirama i believe he just didnt want to come back to life

  • @Equitine
    @Equitine 8 місяців тому

    I wonder if there mightve been some thought that wasnt fleshed out as to why tobirama didnt do it. Like it sould destroy your soul when/if your reincarnated vessle was sealed or destroyed.

  • @YoutubeHandle_DontCare
    @YoutubeHandle_DontCare 8 місяців тому

    Omg.. the itatchi sweater!

  • @Monkeybo9iplays
    @Monkeybo9iplays 7 місяців тому

    Lets just appreciate how many jutsu tobirama has made

  • @nmbalo
    @nmbalo 8 місяців тому +6

    Before that, please explain how kabuto was able to bring madara back. Obito had his body prior to them meeting or is it explained somewhere

    • @jamiecarr8143
      @jamiecarr8143 8 місяців тому

      Zetsu gave kabuto the akatsuki DNA so he probably gave madaras too 🤷🏼‍♂️

    • @DeamonChocobo
      @DeamonChocobo 8 місяців тому

      Didn't he explain that yesterday?

    • @nmbalo
      @nmbalo 8 місяців тому +1

      @jamiecarr8143 wait really?! I must have missed this, when did that happen. I missed that chapter or panel. U sure?

    • @salmannazeer2688
      @salmannazeer2688 8 місяців тому +1

      I just assume black zetsu did some background moves to ensure madara came back as Edo tensei since obito didn't really want to revive madara

    • @jamiecarr8143
      @jamiecarr8143 8 місяців тому

      @@nmbalo there’s no other way he would’ve had their DNA, think about it, madara was feeding off the power of the Gedo statue so I’d argue that Zetsu got his DNA that way, plus Zetsu was meant to betray obito

  • @BLVINEOCKERMVN
    @BLVINEOCKERMVN 7 місяців тому

    "Ten-sayyyyy"
    "Ten-sayyyyy"
    "TEN-SAYYYYY"

  • @HatsunPidgeon
    @HatsunPidgeon 8 місяців тому

    The fact you say TenSAI instead of tensei irks my soul everytime

  • @marethyumoros1741
    @marethyumoros1741 8 місяців тому

    Not just that, the second Itachi put Kabuto in genjutsu to release Edo Tensei (not Edo TensAi), he could theoretically do the handsigns right then and there.

  • @countryrats6206
    @countryrats6206 8 місяців тому

    Considering tobirama created it. My only questuon is when cause if its after hes become hokage then itd be a huge plot hole cause hed have been on his death stage connected to the geto statue outside of the village prob made it before tho

  • @iidarkvoltage118
    @iidarkvoltage118 8 місяців тому

    What did Tobirama mean when he said “If only I can use my Forbidden Jutsu on him” that was when Säsuke was the floor dying and tobirama had rods on his back. Was it indicating he had a power too help Sasuke’s “Verge of Death” State?

  • @joshz2491
    @joshz2491 7 місяців тому

    Temporal paradox resulting in contradictions in time, especially of the characters who were in the singularity at the end of remake. Zach fighting Shinra is the inflection point.
    I don't think it's multiple timelines, it's not even parallel worlds. It's a single timeline that is experiencing temporal paradoxes, that's why you have small changes, like Stamp, and big changes like Zack being alive, and the party either dead or in a coma. When we step through the barrier of whispers-which Aerith manipulates beforehand the game makes sure that the player knows we are inside of a singularity. The whispers combine into the harbinger, to try and protect the natural flow of time but we defeat them, and Sepherioth -who absorbs them, and the party comes out of the singularity outside of Midgar unaware that time was altered. Being inside the singularity means that they were unaffected by the time alterations. Zack's fight against the Shinra army is the point at which time changed but our party from the events leading up to and including the singularity still exists. The whispers tried to kill us so that there would not be two versions of the party existing in the single altered timeline.

  • @TheDeathmail
    @TheDeathmail 7 місяців тому +1

    To be fair, Orochimaru sealed Tobirama's hands and free will.
    Madara still had free will... meaning he wasn't being controlled...

  • @halajko58
    @halajko58 8 місяців тому +1

    It's more likely that he designed Edo Tensei with that flaw in mind.
    The fact that only Madara counter-spelled Itachi more likely means that Tobirama made a miscalculation - falsly assuming Madara would lose to Edo Tensei. As a result he either chose to let he soul be recalled by edo tensei because he didn't think Madara was capable of countering it, OR he didn't know that countering Edo Tensei was possible.
    Either way, Kishimoto likely designed the counter to Edo Tensei when it was first introduced into the universe, long before Madara countered it
    So the fact that it took 300 episodes in the anime for a single character to counter it actually adds to the power level of the the jutsu. I would actually give props to kishimoto for thinking so far ahead
    Really interesting video nonetheless!!!

  • @dirtydeedsdirtcheep3007
    @dirtydeedsdirtcheep3007 7 місяців тому +1

    Would it be possible that Tobirama just never realized that?
    Would it be dumb, yes
    Would it be funny that Madara figured it out instead, also yes

  • @GM-ty5kl
    @GM-ty5kl 8 місяців тому

    “The guy who created it😀”😹😹😹

  • @blakeetter280
    @blakeetter280 5 місяців тому

    I honestly think it would have been better for Madara to go full badass mode and fight Hashirama to a standstill before the jutsu was broken and he faded away. Like, him not losing would be the best way to end that fight. I got bored and never finished the war arc, so idk how it does end, but that guy deserves at least a tie. And they both deserve more buildup than they got

  • @raoufdali1049
    @raoufdali1049 8 місяців тому

    When Madara was fighting the 5 kages he communicated with Black Zetsu :
    And it was already established Zetsu can record events he witnessed and Shares them with other poeple (he witnessed Kabuto weaving and performing the jutsu when Obito asked him for)

  • @Amaterasu2511
    @Amaterasu2511 8 місяців тому

    Madara had a power that usually only protagonists wield, plot armor.

  • @glacticgames2732
    @glacticgames2732 8 місяців тому

    I always thought that this was madara using edo tensei on himself using the brief few seconds to resurect himself with his own power

  • @daleatsoverton9542
    @daleatsoverton9542 7 місяців тому

    this the type of stuff they should be teaching in schools in the leaf village lol

  • @thatboymeak
    @thatboymeak 8 місяців тому

    the problem with this is people forget that random characters invented jutsu. meaning you can literally do anything you want with chakra as long as you know how, including countering or breaking any and all of the forbidden jutsu.
    the forbidden jutsu are only forbidden because theyre widely known and dangerous for one reason or another...
    now think about all the smart people that just didnt tell others about their broken invented jutsu, the clan secrets etc.

  • @aricxander111
    @aricxander111 8 місяців тому

    He didn’t have any hands to the hands signs, he was pinned down most of the fight

  • @johnnyjohnsonjohn2593
    @johnnyjohnsonjohn2593 8 місяців тому

    I thought it was him resurrecting himself, his soul was pretty much free for use after Kabuto let go.

  • @allengrove1864
    @allengrove1864 8 місяців тому

    I feel like they're not breaking themselves out of it but they're using the short time to use it on themselves because that makes way more sense because if someone just undid the jutsu technically they're not under edo tensei anymore and but they are still in the world and can use jutsu so they edo tensei

  • @kiritozweii
    @kiritozweii 7 місяців тому

    Tobirama didn’t want to do it after seeing a filthy Uchiha with their dirty red nope-scopes do the hand signs of his jutsu😂

  • @stanleylee5358
    @stanleylee5358 6 місяців тому

    Better question: what shinobi figured this out? Had to be stronger than the ET user AND know the hand signs AND decided to just randomly do them? And probably powerful enough not to be already named and summoned into the war arc?

  • @daetomrossington3623
    @daetomrossington3623 8 місяців тому

    Merry Christmas yo!!

  • @letsdigit9096
    @letsdigit9096 8 місяців тому

    I wanna Claw my eyes out whenever you say tenSAI