The YTP Channel Channel Only people from Large cities in Canada is where the stereotype does not really apply. Although you do see it in pockets. Personally I don’t like to interact with people that much and the people are comparable to Chicago.
just stumbled upon this video, your growth since then is amazing bro congrats on the success and thank you for serving Toronto transit and all of canada
These demystification videos are fantastic! I feel getting perspective on emergent transit projects and how they interface with other systems is a hugely important part of this channel and videos like this help highlight the services they provide. Keep it up!!
This was an amazing video! You should've mentioned that the line will be 60% faster than current buses, It will also drastically improve bus connectivity. I'm actually happy about the eglinton being a lrt. Because of that, the line connects so much of Toronto. If we kept the eglinton west subway, the line would be useless and short, and we would have to wait decades for an extension. remember what happened with the sheppard line...
I’m ambivalent about it being an LRT, especially with large segments of it on the east end at street level and street crossings that will have to mix with traffic and the decision to use LRT style vehicles that could compromise future capacity growth on such a busy corridor. They could’ve adopted a more creative solution - such as elevated segments like the REM or Skytrain in Vancouver or Confederation Line in Ottawa thereby insuring the “rapid” in rapid transit and allowing for high capacity and automation down the road. Oh well. Metrolinx... what can you say
Uchenna Okorie is there a reason why the western extension can’t be elevated all the way to Pearson? I mean, is it really going to cost an arm and leg to elevate the tracks like Skytrain/Confederation line?
The Sheppard subway failed because it was never completed - If they extend it east to connect with the extension of Line 2 at McCowan and Sheppard, then you'll have something
This all sounds very nice. Very optimistic. I'm still MYSTIFIED as to why, two years later, the project continues to lag behind budget and timeline estimations, while the TTC has now resorted to shutting down a significant portion of the eastern line 1 every damn weekend (while the pandemic STILL lingers). Given no further discussion or even announcements with the public, one can't help but wonder if the project is being mismanaged or was initially, woefully underbid by the mess of companies taking on entire venture. Current hopes are for the line to be done sometime this summer; I won't be surprised if that is pushed back another 2-3 years at this point.
There is nothing wonderful about the Eglington Crosstown, until it actually opens and begins service. Years overdue, with a ballooned budget and the escalating costs are being absorbed by the taxpayer, rather than the contractor. The entire project reeks of mismanagement. Despite the mismanagement, the contract for the Ontario Line has been awarded to the same contractor, Metrolinks.
Fantastic video! Can't wait for more! I thought the east extension was cancelled under Ford though. And Eglinton GO is also gonna connect with the Eglinton East LRT
The east extension wasn't cancelled by Ford, he just put more money into his own project (Ontario Line) and whatever is left is given back to Toronto. So the mayor wants to use what's left (5 billion I think) and use it on the Eglinton east extension and a new Lakeshore LRT line that would go from Humber west to woodbine beach. Since Ford wants nothing to do with LRT's, he's not funding neither projects.
I’ve seen rumours that the issue is tracks keep sinking at Eglinton/Yonge in addition to other track issues. Today I saw a surveyors crew at Pharmacy, so there’s something amiss about the project .
Love this!!! Although cancelling a transit project once construction has commenced (thanks Premier Harris) is a travesty, I agree with you that now that this line is light rail, it might well be the better outcome. This line seems to be more connected, as you've mentioned, and the chance of extensions is more likely as light rail is cheaper than subway to construct. Looking forward to the up coming episodes of this new series!
I think the extra costs of a modern subway extension would more than pay for itself. Could be shooting ourselves in the foot here with this lrt as the gta is only getting more densely populated and the need for true rapid transit has already been here for a while.
Would love if you could add more ridership stats in your videos to really grasp the capacity and solution perspectives better (although admittedly some studies have not been updated in years).
A very good and informative video. One that you may not be aware of is that the eastern terminus at Kenedy station also has a GO station that is being upgraded as well.
I just found this channel and I liked the video, but it was hard to tell what you were talking about. Maybe when mentioning the GO line, fade out the TTC lines and vice versa. Have transient arrows point to the interchanges when they're mentioned.
I'm surprised you didnt show that the Eglinton West line will connect to the Mississauga Transitway at Renforth. This is a huge deal for the Transitway IMO, right now it kinda just stops in the middle of nowhere.
A little concerned about the at-grade portion of the line. Not sure whether it will be able to move commuters at rapid transit standards. If the province is considering building the western extension fully underground, they may as well have considered building the portion from Science Center to Kennedy underground too.
I view Eglinton as a major error. The thought was the LRT be used at-grade, with small underground portions where there are interchanges. When Eglinton was discovered to be be too narrow, it needed a good 11km portion had to be underground. Then another kilometer near Don Mills and Kennedy. This left a 6km segment on street. When it became apparent that the SRT could be connected to Eglinton - it would mean another 11km portion would become grade separated. Thus, a 29km line, which would cost about $9B - was restricted in capacity because a short 6km (20% of length) was built in-median - even though it could easily have been grade-separated (elevated). Also, fully grade-separated, TTC could have extended the SRT technology to Eglinton, or some type of similar mini-metro technology.
Walter Kenedi completely agree. I understand the cost savings in the short term but how future-proof is this current design and the decision to go with Flexity LRVs instead of more metro style trains. Elevating the 6 km segment seems like the natural (and cost effective) solution, but the debate in Toronto has always been black and white: Street level LRT vs. Underground subway - nothing in between.
It would make sense since construction on condos and office buildings are now alowed to be 24hrs. Right now I think work on Eglinton has slowed down because of a couple ppl testing positive from the virus. So we'll have to see.
Any idea why they decided to have the eastern terminus at Kennedy? It ties in with the Stouffville line there which is nice but if they had built out to Eglinton GO or Guildwood for the first phase it would have allowed transfers from the Lakeshore East line right from opening.
Question, if it ended up being '"just" another subway line instead of what it became, wouldn't it still function as a regional connector if it followed the same route?
Possibly, but there's already stock that's been built, and rail that's been laid, and tunnels that have been dug. It's not going to become "just another subway line".
I was told by some that the last T of Toronto is always silent. But I have seen many time that residence of the city spell out the T. Including you guys. Which way is it? Is the T silent or not?
There isn't a clear correct pronunciation, we ourselves say it both ways. I'd say silent t is more what locals would use. We are speaking to a broader audience so we don't always say it that way.
Toronto, the way it looks is the proper way to say it. It's an aboriginal Native Indian word. No silent letters. Over time, the local dialect and accent softened the last T until it just become Torrono, or Torrano. That's not the proper way to say it. It just happened, but inadvertently it's become an easy way to identify whose new and whose been there a while :)
Well with today's news dump about the Eglinton not getting traffic priority, it looks like half of this line will become a white elephant and waste of time and money. It'll be better than a bus but it won't work as promised, it'll be a streetcar effectively. Time to fully grade separate the entire line as a priority project in the future.
I still think as usual Scarborough gets shafted. The new subway lines have as little stops as they could give, and the eglinton crosstown is above grade and slows traffic down to save money. Richmond hill is better served by the TTC then Scarborough is....
Yup, I've read that there are early analysis works of a Sheppard east subway extension to meet up with the Scarborough subway extension at McCowan and Sheppard station, as well as an unfunded city plan of an Eglinton east LRT east of Kennedy station. What I don't understand is why they are getting rid of the SRT when the row rail corridor exists already and could've been upgraded and extended to Malvern town centre and UTSC.
I've never even been to Toronto, yet I enjoy these videos way too much.
You've got to visit!
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@Stone Frigate Are you telling me the American stereotypes of Canadians are wrong!?!?!?
Stone Frigate I’d say we’re polite, but we’re not very friendly. Any major city is the same though, and there is jerks everywhere
The YTP Channel Channel Only people from Large cities in Canada is where the stereotype does not really apply. Although you do see it in pockets. Personally I don’t like to interact with people that much and the people are comparable to Chicago.
just stumbled upon this video, your growth since then is amazing bro congrats on the success and thank you for serving Toronto transit and all of canada
These demystification videos are fantastic! I feel getting perspective on emergent transit projects and how they interface with other systems is a hugely important part of this channel and videos like this help highlight the services they provide. Keep it up!!
You ever need any shots of the Montreal transit network let me know. I love what you're doing with this channel
This was an amazing video! You should've mentioned that the line will be 60% faster than current buses, It will also drastically improve bus connectivity. I'm actually happy about the eglinton being a lrt. Because of that, the line connects so much of Toronto. If we kept the eglinton west subway, the line would be useless and short, and we would have to wait decades for an extension. remember what happened with the sheppard line...
True. The original subway was supposed to go to Pearson as a later extension. But who knows when that could've been completed
I’m ambivalent about it being an LRT, especially with large segments of it on the east end at street level and street crossings that will have to mix with traffic and the decision to use LRT style vehicles that could compromise future capacity growth on such a busy corridor. They could’ve adopted a more creative solution - such as elevated segments like the REM or Skytrain in Vancouver or Confederation Line in Ottawa thereby insuring the “rapid” in rapid transit and allowing for high capacity and automation down the road. Oh well. Metrolinx... what can you say
@@RMTransit Good thing the western extension is mostly grade seperated. Airport segment is a mix of at grade and elevated.
Uchenna Okorie is there a reason why the western extension can’t be elevated all the way to Pearson? I mean, is it really going to cost an arm and leg to elevate the tracks like Skytrain/Confederation line?
The Sheppard subway failed because it was never completed - If they extend it east to connect with the extension of Line 2 at McCowan and Sheppard, then you'll have something
This all sounds very nice. Very optimistic. I'm still MYSTIFIED as to why, two years later, the project continues to lag behind budget and timeline estimations, while the TTC has now resorted to shutting down a significant portion of the eastern line 1 every damn weekend (while the pandemic STILL lingers). Given no further discussion or even announcements with the public, one can't help but wonder if the project is being mismanaged or was initially, woefully underbid by the mess of companies taking on entire venture. Current hopes are for the line to be done sometime this summer; I won't be surprised if that is pushed back another 2-3 years at this point.
There is nothing wonderful about the Eglington Crosstown, until it actually opens and begins service. Years overdue, with a ballooned budget and the escalating costs are being absorbed by the taxpayer, rather than the contractor. The entire project reeks of mismanagement. Despite the mismanagement, the contract for the Ontario Line has been awarded to the same contractor, Metrolinks.
Fantastic video! Can't wait for more! I thought the east extension was cancelled under Ford though. And Eglinton GO is also gonna connect with the Eglinton East LRT
The east extension wasn't cancelled by Ford, he just put more money into his own project (Ontario Line) and whatever is left is given back to Toronto. So the mayor wants to use what's left (5 billion I think) and use it on the Eglinton east extension and a new Lakeshore LRT line that would go from Humber west to woodbine beach. Since Ford wants nothing to do with LRT's, he's not funding neither projects.
@@nanaokyere7141 Isn't a guarantee the city would fund the extension though. The system now does need a lot of repairing
I’ve seen rumours that the issue is tracks keep sinking at Eglinton/Yonge in addition to other track issues. Today I saw a surveyors crew at Pharmacy, so there’s something amiss about the project .
In my opinion after seeing what they've done in KW. I was sort of hoping that the line would be fully grade separated by crossing gates.
Love this!!! Although cancelling a transit project once construction has commenced (thanks Premier Harris) is a travesty, I agree with you that now that this line is light rail, it might well be the better outcome. This line seems to be more connected, as you've mentioned, and the chance of extensions is more likely as light rail is cheaper than subway to construct. Looking forward to the up coming episodes of this new series!
I think the extra costs of a modern subway extension would more than pay for itself. Could be shooting ourselves in the foot here with this lrt as the gta is only getting more densely populated and the need for true rapid transit has already been here for a while.
Would love if you could add more ridership stats in your videos to really grasp the capacity and solution perspectives better (although admittedly some studies have not been updated in years).
A very good and informative video. One that you may not be aware of is that the eastern terminus at Kenedy station also has a GO station that is being upgraded as well.
Haha, indeed, I've made many videos about it
I just found this channel and I liked the video, but it was hard to tell what you were talking about. Maybe when mentioning the GO line, fade out the TTC lines and vice versa. Have transient arrows point to the interchanges when they're mentioned.
I'm surprised you didnt show that the Eglinton West line will connect to the Mississauga Transitway at Renforth. This is a huge deal for the Transitway IMO, right now it kinda just stops in the middle of nowhere.
Awesome video, look forward to more!
A little concerned about the at-grade portion of the line. Not sure whether it will be able to move commuters at rapid transit standards. If the province is considering building the western extension fully underground, they may as well have considered building the portion from Science Center to Kennedy underground too.
I view Eglinton as a major error.
The thought was the LRT be used at-grade, with small underground portions where there are interchanges. When Eglinton was discovered to be be too narrow, it needed a good 11km portion had to be underground. Then another kilometer near Don Mills and Kennedy. This left a 6km segment on street.
When it became apparent that the SRT could be connected to Eglinton - it would mean another 11km portion would become grade separated.
Thus, a 29km line, which would cost about $9B - was restricted in capacity because a short 6km (20% of length) was built in-median - even though it could easily have been grade-separated (elevated).
Also, fully grade-separated, TTC could have extended the SRT technology to Eglinton, or some type of similar mini-metro technology.
Walter Kenedi completely agree. I understand the cost savings in the short term but how future-proof is this current design and the decision to go with Flexity LRVs instead of more metro style trains.
Elevating the 6 km segment seems like the natural (and cost effective) solution, but the debate in Toronto has always been black and white: Street level LRT vs. Underground subway - nothing in between.
Well Metrolinx learned their lesson with the western extension
@@mrrobot5963 Which I'm skeptical actually needs to be elevated as it's a very low density area already and that doesn't look to change
@@kc-nv5yi True. But at least grade seperating the line is better than having an at-grade alignment. Though thanks to COVID-19 this plan may backfire
@@kc-nv5yi It is changing. The real estate market there is booming. The next 20 years will see that area change dramatically.
I think now is the perfect timing for construction to take place since there is less traffic thanks to people staying at home.
It would make sense since construction on condos and office buildings are now alowed to be 24hrs. Right now I think work on Eglinton has slowed down because of a couple ppl testing positive from the virus. So we'll have to see.
Nice video!
Any idea why they decided to have the eastern terminus at Kennedy? It ties in with the Stouffville line there which is nice but if they had built out to Eglinton GO or Guildwood for the first phase it would have allowed transfers from the Lakeshore East line right from opening.
It's crazy that Guildwood was not considered as part of the initial project. Such a lack of vision.
Question, if it ended up being '"just" another subway line instead of what it became, wouldn't it still function as a regional connector if it followed the same route?
Yes, but if it were a subway it would never be extended east to UTSC or Malvern Centre
Possibly, but there's already stock that's been built, and rail that's been laid, and tunnels that have been dug. It's not going to become "just another subway line".
Nice video
I was told by some that the last T of Toronto is always silent. But I have seen many time that residence of the city spell out the T. Including you guys. Which way is it? Is the T silent or not?
There isn't a clear correct pronunciation, we ourselves say it both ways. I'd say silent t is more what locals would use. We are speaking to a broader audience so we don't always say it that way.
@@RMTransit oh that's why. It was difficult for me to hear it that way. I like the silent t.
Toronto, the way it looks is the proper way to say it. It's an aboriginal Native Indian word. No silent letters. Over time, the local dialect and accent softened the last T until it just become Torrono, or Torrano. That's not the proper way to say it. It just happened, but inadvertently it's become an easy way to identify whose new and whose been there a while :)
Well with today's news dump about the Eglinton not getting traffic priority, it looks like half of this line will become a white elephant and waste of time and money. It'll be better than a bus but it won't work as promised, it'll be a streetcar effectively. Time to fully grade separate the entire line as a priority project in the future.
Why Eglinton LRT is not connected to Richmond Hill GO Line?
I love this guy
Can you please do a video of the metro tunnel in Melbourne
I still think the east section of Line 5 should be grade separated.
Do a video about LRT vs Subway
The line should have gone from Kennedy to Jane street because that can connect people to jane station.
Toronto needs a second north south line first.
I still think as usual Scarborough gets shafted. The new subway lines have as little stops as they could give, and the eglinton crosstown is above grade and slows traffic down to save money. Richmond hill is better served by the TTC then Scarborough is....
Yup, I've read that there are early analysis works of a Sheppard east subway extension to meet up with the Scarborough subway extension at McCowan and Sheppard station, as well as an unfunded city plan of an Eglinton east LRT east of Kennedy station. What I don't understand is why they are getting rid of the SRT when the row rail corridor exists already and could've been upgraded and extended to Malvern town centre and UTSC.
Why is it infamous?
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With billions over budget and completion 4years overdue unexplained, the mystery deepens. 😂
This b]video is are years old. If you really want yo demystify the silly thing, explain why it’s still not running.
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