Watched about a dozen VOR navigation videos and still Jon's explanation/approach is the best. İ think the main issue people are having while trying to understand VOR navigation is that it is not super intuitive to have the VOR instrument look nearly the same as the HSI instrument. At least this is the culprit for me. The difference being, in the HSI you are in the center, while the VOR, the station is in the center. Most important thing is to try to use the To indication as much as practicable.
Look at the compass rose of the VOR where the red arrow acrosses it and it's exactly on 016 Radial and if you pay attention the radials of to the right of the red arrow increase while of to the left decrease but the red arrow is located roughly on 016 radial hope that makes sense :)
Why not use a sextant for ship navigation? VOR is like the horse-and-buggy of navigation. It's a waste of resources to build aircraft with VOR technology. GPS made it obsolete. VOR is OLD technology, and should be shut down. Even dead reckoning with electronic gyros can give better results.
It will be there if your GPS fails. It’s not about learning one thing because it nullifies another. It’s about learning to use all available resources no matter what. VOR is still an available resource, therefore we learn it. We also learn GPS.
Because WHEN (not if) the constellation goes down, or when your GPS is unreliable (NOTAM'd out in a large area-happens a lot out west - NM/OK) the FAA has decided to navigate you to the LOC/ILS IAF via VORMON (VOR Minimum Operational Network). So, it doesn't matter how advanced the GPS is, you would have to know this in order to use the equipment on your airplane to get you down safely. In the last four years, I have been on a long x-cntry at least three times when the FAA has NOTAM'd out GPS as unreliable or unavailable AFTER I departed (because sometimes the guys in the white lab coats with the pocket protectors give little to no warning). For at least 45 minutes, I heard loud whining noises on COMM 1 from airliners overly concerned (almost panicked) because all three of their on-board GPS/Inertial combo units were flagging unreliable. My one G750 was depicting me 20 miles right of my actual position, but I recognized the issue and then 15 minutes or so into the anomaly heard the ZKC Center controller confirming my assessment (he read the NOTAM), I already had both VOR receivers tuned into the two stations that anchor that particularly long stretch of airway. I could see by deflection, time and wind how far I was from the Victor airway. I simply realigned myself with the airway to clear the mountains either side. Much safer than buying what the GPS was selling. I was also able to ask for/receive clearance immediately for higher, since I knew my exact location (😏 with a little cross tuning). We are scheduled to lose 429 or 439 VORs East of the Mississippi, leaving us with VORMON to act as a safety net in the event of unreliable/unavailable GPS. The plan is to keep all the "mountain valley route defining" stations out West for obvious reasons. THIS is why we still need to understand how to interpret VOR nav.
And as always, you flight instructors are forgetting something. When you have explained all the ways that VOR and OBS works, you have students starting to set the VOR settings 250 miles from the station, og students flying in valleys or behind mountains.... Why don't you, and this goes for all instructors, explain the distances that limits the use of an VOR station, or the impact mountains have on it ??? Now i to am a pilot in real life, and i can find soo many explanations on this subject, but no one are explaining the limits...
@@OortCloud so you would find it reasonable to start from a distance of 250 miles? It’s not even possible to find the VOR direction which you have to, to find the station.
Try free pilot training. I find he explains VOR’s much easier. Don’t worry I know lots of people that didn’t crack it until well into their instrument training
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That’s just the best explanation I ever heard. Many thanks!
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That diagram!!!!!! That was it! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!
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Watched about a dozen VOR navigation videos and still Jon's explanation/approach is the best.
İ think the main issue people are having while trying to understand VOR navigation is that it is not super intuitive to have the VOR instrument look nearly the same as the HSI instrument. At least this is the culprit for me.
The difference being, in the HSI you are in the center, while the VOR, the station is in the center. Most important thing is to try to use the To indication as much as practicable.
That's a great point! Just because they look similar, doesn't mean they work in the same way.
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You have great teaching skill
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You saved me with this video!! I was getting so frustrated and couldn't understand until now. Thank you (:
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Thank you sir, it was pretty easy to understand.
Thank-you for the video, it was a great explanation!
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Thank you so much for that cheat sheet it helps a lot now
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I bought all the king schools VHS tapes back in the day and still have a couple
same here, over 30 years ago lol.
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At 7:50 minutes, where did you get 016 degrees? Love your videos by the way.
Look at the compass rose of the VOR where the red arrow acrosses it and it's exactly on 016 Radial and if you pay attention the radials of to the right of the red arrow increase while of to the left decrease but the red arrow is located roughly on 016 radial hope that makes sense :)
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Did he just make a video without even blinking
Yes
Roger that
Do they still test pilots on this old junk?
Yes they do
Why not use a sextant for ship navigation? VOR is like the horse-and-buggy of navigation. It's a waste of resources to build aircraft with VOR technology. GPS made it obsolete. VOR is OLD technology, and should be shut down. Even dead reckoning with electronic gyros can give better results.
Because the FAA is still testing for VOR knowlege, so take it up with them I suppose.
@@KingSchools lmao 🤣
It will be there if your GPS fails. It’s not about learning one thing because it nullifies another. It’s about learning to use all available resources no matter what. VOR is still an available resource, therefore we learn it. We also learn GPS.
Because WHEN (not if) the constellation goes down, or when your GPS is unreliable (NOTAM'd out in a large area-happens a lot out west - NM/OK) the FAA has decided to navigate you to the LOC/ILS IAF via VORMON (VOR Minimum Operational Network). So, it doesn't matter how advanced the GPS is, you would have to know this in order to use the equipment on your airplane to get you down safely. In the last four years, I have been on a long x-cntry at least three times when the FAA has NOTAM'd out GPS as unreliable or unavailable AFTER I departed (because sometimes the guys in the white lab coats with the pocket protectors give little to no warning). For at least 45 minutes, I heard loud whining noises on COMM 1 from airliners overly concerned (almost panicked) because all three of their on-board GPS/Inertial combo units were flagging unreliable. My one G750 was depicting me 20 miles right of my actual position, but I recognized the issue and then 15 minutes or so into the anomaly heard the ZKC Center controller confirming my assessment (he read the NOTAM), I already had both VOR receivers tuned into the two stations that anchor that particularly long stretch of airway. I could see by deflection, time and wind how far I was from the Victor airway. I simply realigned myself with the airway to clear the mountains either side. Much safer than buying what the GPS was selling. I was also able to ask for/receive clearance immediately for higher, since I knew my exact location (😏 with a little cross tuning). We are scheduled to lose 429 or 439 VORs East of the Mississippi, leaving us with VORMON to act as a safety net in the event of unreliable/unavailable GPS. The plan is to keep all the "mountain valley route defining" stations out West for obvious reasons. THIS is why we still need to understand how to interpret VOR nav.
We do use a sextant for ship navigation… as a backup to gps.
And as always, you flight instructors are forgetting something.
When you have explained all the ways that VOR and OBS works, you have students starting to set the VOR settings 250 miles from the station, og students flying in valleys or behind mountains....
Why don't you, and this goes for all instructors, explain the distances that limits the use of an VOR station, or the impact mountains have on it ???
Now i to am a pilot in real life, and i can find soo many explanations on this subject, but no one are explaining the limits...
You are supposed to check if the VOR is operational by checking for its Morse code every time you use it anyways, regardless of terrain or distance...
@@OortCloud so you would find it reasonable to start from a distance of 250 miles? It’s not even possible to find the VOR direction which you have to, to find the station.
@@DjankoDK Dude. Its logical. No normal student pilot is gonna try to find a VOR from 250 miles away.
Still confused
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Try free pilot training. I find he explains VOR’s much easier. Don’t worry I know lots of people that didn’t crack it until well into their instrument training
If you use simple pronounciation it will be more useful