I picked up my 2014 Leaf in 2016. After doing my due diligence I felt I could live with what people called cons. I knew that since I am older I wouldn't be traveling as much as I age. It is working out well. I was told I couldn't travel long distances. With careful planning I have driven it along the I-5 corridor up to Seattle Washington and down near Bakersfield California. On a good day I can do 60 miles without going into turtle mode, but I rarely go that far without charging at home. An average day is 15 to 40 miles. It has over 130,000 miles on the odometer. When I first got it I could go 60 miles at freeway speed before charging. It is my daily driver. After 8 years I finally ran out of washer fluid, and changed the reduction gear fluid myself. Even though there is battery degradation it's working well.
@Tron-Jockey EV Rides LLC in Portland Oregon replaces batteries in the older Leafs. It is possible to get the largest battery installed for a fraction of a new vehicle price. These are used batteries in good condition. I saw a Leaf with over 200 miles on the guess-o-meter. I wouldn't mind getting a large LFP battery pack if it is possible.
Totally agree. Just bought a 2013 Nissan Leaf with only 4 bars of health and 32 miles of range. Perfect for my 5 mile each way commute to work. Level 2 charger inside my garage. Paid $2500 and expecting a $1000 PG&E rebate check in the mail. We will see how long it lasts.
Spot on. I have an 10,5 years BEV, with 240.000km. As you mentioned, on a multi car home there is no issue to have an BEV for the person with the commute that most suites that car range, leaving the ICE for the other person and longer trips.
Great video, I bought my first electric vehicle, a new 40 kwh leaf 2 years ago Now I have experience I wouldn't hesitate to buy a second hand electric car
I bought a new ‘23 Bolt EUV because of it’s features like ventilated seats, large cabin area, and moderate 3700 lb, 1670 kg weight. I drive 100 miles round trip most days, and the car already is out of the body warranty. I wanted an EV for my wife, and considered a used leaf. My only issue was the charging. She ended up with a ‘23 EUV like mine- except it has all the options. Mine lacks the sunroof, Bose speakers, and supercruise. She really doesn’t drive very far to work, and if it hadn’t been for the charger differences, we’d have a Leaf. The older Bolts had terrible seats, and I despise vehicles with large triangle windows behind the A pillar. I’ve never driven one where this didn’t cause visibility issues that you had to learn to deal with. I actually wanted a used Lucid Air, but most I saw online were from hurricane areas that I couldn’t trust a few months ago. My only fear is the availability of suspension parts in the near future- specifically loaded struts. I had planned to replace struts and springs at the same time, and that’s still possible, but only if I buy all the parts separately.
I’ve owned 5 EV,s. My first was a first generation Leaf. I liked the leaf however the range was horrible. At best I got 70 miles of range. I could only drive locally in my community. Since then a rav4 ev(103). Then a Tesla model 3 240 range, and now Rivian R1T 332 range. Leaf is a good EV for local trips only. Get one with at least 150 miles of range
I have a 2015 30KW Nissan Leaf at 86,000km now. The money I saved from petrol/maintenance cost for owning that car manage me to Purchased another EV. I sold my old Renault Clio Petrol car and Replaced it with a medium range EV. 2018 Hyundai ioniq electric 28kw :) 3 to 4 years from now i think i could trade in my other EV to another much longer range EV. Just from the savings of petrol cost. My average kilometers traveled per year is about 25,000km combined from both cars. Very happy to transition from ICE cars to EV :)
One year ago I've bought second-hand 2017 Hyundai Ioniq EV with 100k km, and this is my only car. The range is 150-200km on single charge and planning a longer trip requires a bit of effort and relying on charging infrastructure. But it can charge quickly and the battery is still in a good condition.
I agree. I've heard some say if it has 20 percent degradation it's done. Lol So many people can lose 50 percent and drive it around town and work for years.
This makes so much sense to me, the only thing holding me back is the rough road conditions where I live. I'm so far north that the roads require AWD for 3-5 months and there's not a lot of good options for used electric AWD vehicles. Though the added weight of the battery pack helps to keep traction I'm told. Loved the video though.
Well, the no maintenance thing is not totally true, you need to change reduction gear oil, 280$ in a dealership, 40$ if you do it yourself, air filter, front shocks top hat covers, rotate tires, check brakes, buy leafspy and dongle
I have a 2015 Fiat 500e and a 2015 BMW I3 r e x in 2018, still going strong, added a 2023 Bolt EV. Pretty soon short-range EVS will be more useful again as more charging comes into play
Having a leaf in the driveway for errands and short trips is a great way to get the most value especially given used car inflated rates. Also most of the used cars presently have technologies that do not lend themselves well to getting 200k miles and require frequent servicing to keep them on the road. I'm trying to convince my wife and mother to get one since I know they'd appreciate it once they got used to charging and got over range anxiety.
"a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage" is now 2 cars in every garage. The average auto occupancy in the U.S. is 1.7 occupants. Why do we need 8 passenger, 3 ton vehicles to do that?
I have a friend that was driving an 11-year-old leaf, reduce range, but still doing the job, finally got totaled in an accident, he bought a used boats and is looking for a used EV for his daughter
I heard that insurance companies charge you more for an EV. I also heard that if you are in an accident the insurance company is more likely to write off an EV. What has been your experience in Manitoba and what have you heard from other parts of North America? Would be a good video. Thanks
Certain EVs. Tesla's notoriously so. I have a Volvo and it was about the same as the 9 year old GTI I had and in line with a CX5 ICE I was looking at...maybe a touch more. Tires will be a bit pricey but if you search for your own, you can avoid getting taken advantage of.
I have a Tesla Model Y and State Farm Insurance charges me about 20% more than for my Dodge Caravan. a few hundred more a year. I save $2800 per year in fuel savings alone. Tires CAN be more expensive unless one learns not drive more gently as EVs can easily be aggressive with acceleration etc.
Good point! Most of us want an affordable, comfortable, functional car. We don’t drive like Formula One drivers because we want our tires and motors to last. As an avid cyclist, my performance road and mountain bikes are more important to me than a speedy car. So, my tires last a while.
Sounds like the perfect NPC vehicle for hamster people living groundhog day lives. I don;t know how people become satisfied (complacent and domesticated) in that kind of life.
As a tip: it is better to state the main message of your videos at the beginning. Especially in a longer video. Otherwise, people can't know whether the topic is interesting enough to keep watching. If the 'best kept secret' would be something interesting I would be happy to watch the entire video. But now I've only watched the first minute and will probably never return to your channel.
Eh you may just not be the intended audience for this video. To me this was a refreshing more real approach to conveying the point. It's nice to listen to someone who doesn't sound like every other youtuber doing it the "correct" way.
Uh, you still need a place to charge and pay insurance premiums. Im in CA and things are expensive. This is not practical advice unless you're in the middle of nowhere and have room for a bunch of sheet metal with wheels.
We have a 2014 Leaf, it is perfect 350 days a year, 15 days require planning and patience. Best car we ever had, we can take the bad with the good.
I picked up my 2014 Leaf in 2016. After doing my due diligence I felt I could live with what people called cons. I knew that since I am older I wouldn't be traveling as much as I age. It is working out well. I was told I couldn't travel long distances.
With careful planning I have driven it along the I-5 corridor up to Seattle Washington and down near Bakersfield California.
On a good day I can do 60 miles without going into turtle mode, but I rarely go that far without charging at home. An average day is 15 to 40 miles. It has over 130,000 miles on the odometer. When I first got it I could go 60 miles at freeway speed before charging.
It is my daily driver. After 8 years I finally ran out of washer fluid, and changed the reduction gear fluid myself.
Even though there is battery degradation it's working well.
@Tron-Jockey EV Rides LLC in Portland Oregon replaces batteries in the older Leafs. It is possible to get the largest battery installed for a fraction of a new vehicle price. These are used batteries in good condition.
I saw a Leaf with over 200 miles on the guess-o-meter.
I wouldn't mind getting a large LFP battery pack if it is possible.
Totally agree. Just bought a 2013 Nissan Leaf with only 4 bars of health and 32 miles of range. Perfect for my 5 mile each way commute to work. Level 2 charger inside my garage. Paid $2500 and expecting a $1000 PG&E rebate check in the mail. We will see how long it lasts.
Spot on. I have an 10,5 years BEV, with 240.000km. As you mentioned, on a multi car home there is no issue to have an BEV for the person with the commute that most suites that car range, leaving the ICE for the other person and longer trips.
Great video, I bought my first electric vehicle, a new 40 kwh leaf 2 years ago
Now I have experience I wouldn't hesitate to buy a second hand electric car
Same here. 2.5 years and don't ever want to go back to driving an ICE car. Love my Leaf 40! :)
My leaf is the best car I’ve ever owned
I bought a new ‘23 Bolt EUV because of it’s features like ventilated seats, large cabin area, and moderate 3700 lb, 1670 kg weight. I drive 100 miles round trip most days, and the car already is out of the body warranty. I wanted an EV for my wife, and considered a used leaf. My only issue was the charging. She ended up with a ‘23 EUV like mine- except it has all the options. Mine lacks the sunroof, Bose speakers, and supercruise. She really doesn’t drive very far to work, and if it hadn’t been for the charger differences, we’d have a Leaf. The older Bolts had terrible seats, and I despise vehicles with large triangle windows behind the A pillar. I’ve never driven one where this didn’t cause visibility issues that you had to learn to deal with. I actually wanted a used Lucid Air, but most I saw online were from hurricane areas that I couldn’t trust a few months ago. My only fear is the availability of suspension parts in the near future- specifically loaded struts. I had planned to replace struts and springs at the same time, and that’s still possible, but only if I buy all the parts separately.
I’ve owned 5 EV,s. My first was a first generation Leaf. I liked the leaf however the range was horrible. At best I got 70 miles of range. I could only drive locally in my community. Since then a rav4 ev(103). Then a Tesla model 3 240 range, and now Rivian R1T 332 range. Leaf is a good EV for local trips only. Get one with at least 150 miles of range
I have a 2015 30KW Nissan Leaf at 86,000km now. The money I saved from petrol/maintenance cost for owning that car manage me to Purchased another EV. I sold my old Renault Clio Petrol car and Replaced it with a medium range EV. 2018 Hyundai ioniq electric 28kw :) 3 to 4 years from now i think i could trade in my other EV to another much longer range EV. Just from the savings of petrol cost. My average kilometers traveled per year is about 25,000km combined from both cars. Very happy to transition from ICE cars to EV :)
One year ago I've bought second-hand 2017 Hyundai Ioniq EV with 100k km, and this is my only car. The range is 150-200km on single charge and planning a longer trip requires a bit of effort and relying on charging infrastructure. But it can charge quickly and the battery is still in a good condition.
I agree. I've heard some say if it has 20 percent degradation it's done. Lol
So many people can lose 50 percent and drive it around town and work for years.
I have a 2020 egolf. Still gets max range and it has over 85000km on it.
This makes so much sense to me, the only thing holding me back is the rough road conditions where I live. I'm so far north that the roads require AWD for 3-5 months and there's not a lot of good options for used electric AWD vehicles. Though the added weight of the battery pack helps to keep traction I'm told.
Loved the video though.
Well, the no maintenance thing is not totally true, you need to change reduction gear oil, 280$ in a dealership, 40$ if you do it yourself, air filter, front shocks top hat covers, rotate tires, check brakes, buy leafspy and dongle
I have a 2015 Fiat 500e and a 2015 BMW I3 r e x in 2018, still going strong, added a 2023 Bolt EV. Pretty soon short-range EVS will be more useful again as more charging comes into play
Having a leaf in the driveway for errands and short trips is a great way to get the most value especially given used car inflated rates. Also most of the used cars presently have technologies that do not lend themselves well to getting 200k miles and require frequent servicing to keep them on the road.
I'm trying to convince my wife and mother to get one since I know they'd appreciate it once they got used to charging and got over range anxiety.
"a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage" is now 2 cars in every garage. The average auto occupancy in the U.S. is 1.7 occupants. Why do we need 8 passenger, 3 ton vehicles to do that?
I have a friend that was driving an 11-year-old leaf, reduce range, but still doing the job, finally got totaled in an accident, he bought a used boats and is looking for a used EV for his daughter
Couldn't agree more!
What do the Insurance / Government Collusion Cos charge for insurance with a second electric car?
I heard that insurance companies charge you more for an EV. I also heard that if you are in an accident the insurance company is more likely to write off an EV. What has been your experience in Manitoba and what have you heard from other parts of North America? Would be a good video. Thanks
Certain EVs. Tesla's notoriously so. I have a Volvo and it was about the same as the 9 year old GTI I had and in line with a CX5 ICE I was looking at...maybe a touch more.
Tires will be a bit pricey but if you search for your own, you can avoid getting taken advantage of.
My Nissan Leaf 40kwh was hit by a van a year ago. It was fully repaired, no issues at all. The battery also wasn't damaged as some people will think.
I have a Tesla Model Y and State Farm Insurance charges me about 20% more than for my Dodge Caravan. a few hundred more a year. I save $2800 per year in fuel savings alone. Tires CAN be more expensive unless one learns not drive more gently as EVs can easily be aggressive with acceleration etc.
Good point! Most of us want an affordable, comfortable, functional car. We don’t drive like Formula One drivers because we want our tires and motors to last. As an avid cyclist, my performance road and mountain bikes are more important to me than a speedy car. So, my tires last a while.
Sounds like the perfect NPC vehicle for hamster people living groundhog day lives.
I don;t know how people become satisfied (complacent and domesticated) in that kind of life.
TL;DW: You don't really need that much range
Agreed
As a tip: it is better to state the main message of your videos at the beginning. Especially in a longer video. Otherwise, people can't know whether the topic is interesting enough to keep watching. If the 'best kept secret' would be something interesting I would be happy to watch the entire video. But now I've only watched the first minute and will probably never return to your channel.
Eh you may just not be the intended audience for this video. To me this was a refreshing more real approach to conveying the point. It's nice to listen to someone who doesn't sound like every other youtuber doing it the "correct" way.
No attention span.
Uh, you still need a place to charge and pay insurance premiums. Im in CA and things are expensive. This is not practical advice unless you're in the middle of nowhere and have room for a bunch of sheet metal with wheels.