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Do you think these texts stemmed from some cosmic comets, planetary, or events over constellations they were observing in the 'heavens'? Mars as Seth, *Isis as Venus, Osiris as Jupiter, or perhaps frequent comets through the sky over the constellations representing the battles, etc?
In some of the more extreme American Evangelical communities, Cain is portrayed as Set. He wandered over to Egypt after killing Abel and set up shop as a king, even stealing the name of Seth. Heathen Egyptians then deified him. There’s even an illustrated book. I think it’s ironic that their mythological mashup is introducing the kind of chaos and disorder Set may have approved of.
Wasn't that also part of the lore for Vampire: The Masquerade way back in the early 90's? Seems exactly like the sort of thing the evangelicals could pick up
@TheArmchairPriest Satan is a post-biblical figure though, the Hebrew meant something like opposer or adversary (some scholars claim Executioner based on the role this word seemed assigned to in early Jewish literature). The name Samael doesn't correspond to that title, meaning instead something like light bearer (though that is closer to the Latin 'Lucifer'). To impose the character of Satan on something far older seems incorrect to me.
I'd be very interested in that idea if it was proposed by an ancient Kabbalist. Connections between Jewish and ancient Egyptian mythology must be there but they're maddeningly hard to pin down.
This is who I feel like ATM. I am currently homeless, live ng in my car, not one single person Im close to right now, walking through life in these hot summer days, feeling chaotic and ancient. But the thing is, I've found balance, greater truth, wisdom of life, I've found myself and I've been able ilto dissolve the delusions I was living in. I have 3 interviews in the next three days, and have learned a wise lesson about conserving wealth, knowledge, and other resources. Thank you esoterica❤
Same dude. Became homeless in July '22. I was in a rut before that but homelessness forced me out into the world. Convenience was killing me but now I feel like things are just inconvenient enough to give me real problems so I don't sweat the small stuff anymore. The only people who talk to me are kind (arseholes ignore me) and the generosity of strangers has been humbling. So my view of humanity has changed for the better. I understand the Beatitudes now on an experiential level. I'm financially poor but I've never felt spiritually richer. I would never have chosen this but it's been good for me. I've got my dog with me which has been a lifesaver. Otherwise not having social contact much would be harder. I'm also doing meta Bhavana (love meditation) to stay emotionally healthy. I'd recommend both.👍
This is now one my all time favourite quotes: "...The chaos of creation and the routine of consistent productivity-too much of either is probably destruction: through the disorder of pure difference, or the living death of pure repetition..." - Dr. James Justin Sledge
As a Benedictine monk, I probably should not enjoy your programming as much as I do. Thank you for not only your great information, but your great sense of humor. I almost spit out my ginger ale at the David Linch slide.
"Tip Turkey" has to be my favourite term for these animals. "Tip here meaning a rubbish dump not a gratuity. Having worked in close proximity to these birds I have to say the reputation is not wholly undeserved 😆
There is a translated version of the Seth v Horus coom-off where Horus catches his uncles spooge in secret, sneaks into Seth's cabbage patch, then whips it onto his favourite tossed salad. Next time they're in court, Seth uses magic to make the goo talk to prove that it's in Horus' ass to embarrass him, but when the voice starts coming from Seth's own stomach, well, he just looks a bit silly. Then everyone laughs. 10/10, best mythology.
Finally, a proper episode on my favourite Egyptian deity! I've always seen him as one of the most misunderstood gods, and perhaps the pioneer of what has later become the Lion King trope, with hundreds of remakes of the same story: younger brother of king usurping the throne through treacherous means, and eventually losing it to his nephew, the rightful heir. However, the original myth is a lot richer and more complicated than that. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that in the earliest myths, there are some references of him actually being Anubis's father, as well as some mention of him erecting a huge pillar that allowed Osiris to ascend into heaven. The dichotomy between his fertility and toxic nature makes sense if we think about the desert as his dominia: there is also life in the desert, but it's a harsh environment than more often than not will unalive you. Truly fascinating. Thank you so much for this episode!
In one version Horus and Set are Thoth's joint dads but no Thoth centered text accepts that tradition. Set only loses half the Kingdom to Horus and sometimes that's upper or lower egypt (no agreement) rather than the desert.
If you love that, then you are going to love this: Did you know there are other versions of him in other African mythology? People who think the Egyptians were not black hate this, but you can only find Egyptian mythology in other African faiths. and if you look at the various versions of Set it is like he is going through a character arc: -First, there is the Egyptian aardvark Set, which dismembers Osiris -Pemba a jackal from Mande mythology probably even more evil that set. -Ogo the pale fox from Dogon mythology and just as evil -There is a usurper Jackal in Sere mythology who is more jealous than evil -Then the mostly benign Ntumbo aardvark from the epic of Mwindo from the Kongo. -There is also Chiwara the Aardvark gazelle from Bambara mythology. He is actually the offspring of the chaos snake and the trickster god, but he himself is benevolent and is an agricultural deity who can travel to the underworld similar to Osiris. -and Eshu the god of crossroads from Yoruba mythology. He is different as he isn't evil at all and actually repaired Obatalla when he was dismembered instead of doing the dismembering himself. He also seems to be devoid of the animal motif. Edit: I discovered that the arch thing on his head is a reference to the arch body of an Aardvark. The reason why those various animals are liked is because aardvarks create and abandons burrows in the earth, that Foxes, jackals and snakes live in afterwards. So If you follow each, creation myth and go from East Africa to West, it is like Set has a character arch until he becomes a totally upstanding guy.
@@CrumpitssGeneral Umm sure. the reason why aardvarks are associated with disorder in Africa is because they target termite mounds. Termite mounds are the basis of all African creation myths. It represents Order, because of the social complexity of the termite. aardvarks would break into them, have a meal and then leave. the hole they leave is then occupied by Snakes, foxes and jackals as I have said before. This is also why almost all African creation myths, the hidden god creates an earth mound first. The Egyptians called this Benben. In Dogon mythology, the termite mound is perceived as the clitoris of the earth goddess. in others, it is the penis of the earth god. when the sky and earth attempted to mate, the termite mound prevented proper coupling and created improper chaotic beings. In various other myths, this "issue with coupling" is a recurring motif. in Egyptian mythology Nu and Geb must be forced apart. this forced separation would break the earth mound. and this is the mythological origins of circumcision. now going from East Africa to West, The Ogdaod, the 4 pairs of primordial gods are repeated in mythology. in Egypt and the Dogon, the 4 pairs are these aquatic, or amphibious creatures. but by the time you get to the Sere, Mande, Bambara, Hausa and Yoruba, the amphibious beings become seeds. I honestly think this means that all these cultures date back to when the Sahara was green and there was one large collective African group that lived there and they were the first to begin agriculture. this is why Osiris, Obatalla and Chiwara are all agricultural deities. So this means Africans developed agriculture first and it spread into the fertile crescent and not the other way around. In Yoruba, the 4 pairs of seeds are found on Orunmilla's divination chain called an Opelle. sometimes one of those seeds is painted black or a different colour to represent the "Usurper" Chaos god. now a part of this divination is 16 rules or systems to it. 8 for the spiritual realm, and 8 for the earthly. This is the 4 pairs of the seeds again. This is important, in Egyptian mythology, we have both the ogdoad and the Ennead. Europeans miss that they are the same thing. for the ennead, you have to not count Atum. when you do that you have the 8 spiritual gods (ogdaod) and then their 8 earthly counterparts, Osiris, Isis, set etc. Now this is where Thoth comes in. Thoth is the one who laid the cosmic egg the Ogdoad was birthed from. Originally that is what the Sankofa symbol represented. Thoth is found in other African religions in the West. in Benin, you have the bird of prophecy. sometimes this bird is depicted with a seed. This is important because Benin has another god called Osun. Osun, like Thoth, is a god of medicine and knowledge, and he has a staff that has an Ibis on top, surrounded by two rings of birds. each ring has 8 ibis with seeds in their mouths. one ring represents the divine and the lower one represents the earthly. sometimes however these 16 are on the same level. But it is all a reference to the same Egyptian creation myths. If we stick to East Africa, Horus is a more "local" god and has versions only found in East African mythology: Egypt has Horus (Heru) Kush has Merul and the rest of the Cushties like the Oromo have their version called Hurr. The other Egyptian gods, are either unique to Egypt or have very slight connections to other African clans and family totems. like cats, jaguaras, hippos and crocodiles all mean the same thing across the board. it is just in Egypt they went overboard and deified these totems.
Between Esoterica, Doctor Who, and the UA-cam algorithm, Set has been popping up on my UA-cam feed a lot this weekend. He must have hired a new agent recently.
So i had to rewind like five times already because when Doc Sledge said "divine rudeboy" my mind was completely overtaken by the image of Set in his black and whites skanking to some 2 tone...
Thank you for this wonderful lesson about Set. You mentioned Dungeons and Dragons, and it was through that game that I was first introduced to the Egyptian pantheon in the rules expansion "Deities and Demigods". In that book, Set was paradoxically listed as having the "alignment" Lawful Evil (I guess they had to have something to offset Apep, the Chaotic Evil god in the game's version of the mythos). But, in that long ago day in 1985 at the somewhat elderly D&D age of 21 when I first picked up the game, I've been fascinated by the religion of the ancient Egyptians ever since. Scholars like you have helped keep that interest alive.
I've only lived in South Australia and Tasmania, when I travelled to QLD the first time and saw the ibis I was so excited and thought they were so exotic 😂
By his symbolic act of "ending" Osiris's life, he was instrumental to the rise of his brother as the god of the Afterlife, Death and Resurrection. The problem, as in many religions, is that most people don't see the metaphoric truths but are literal to the myths. Set represents the indomitable strength of chaos but in Ma'at's service as he is the one who fights the serpent Apep who represents the forces of Isfet (the opposite of Ma'at order).
Yeah he comes off as more 'the agent of necessary change and chaos', things you might not like, but need to happen to make the world keep rolling. Change is uncomfortable but healthy.
I would like to say thank you from the bottom of my heart for your content, it is absolutely phenomenal. I am of very meager means, but I felt good about contributing to this channel. This episode spoke specifically to my heart.
Another great video, of particular interest to those Thelemites able to read between the lines to see how Set is always present in Thelema, even if (almost) never named directly.
Interessting idea, but Seths snout is very much curved, which isn't the case for okapies. The Okapies living space rather far off though, not close as you think. A donkey could fit.
@@cegesh1459 if a donkey visually makes sense, would a mule not fit too? They are oddities after all, they can't naturally breed together they only are born
@@TheEsotericaChannel oh yah, and still, I do not understand how anyone can be more than ‘ambivalent’ when it comes to liking Lynch or hating it… Which is where I find myself; the warm comfortable zone of ‘I dunno’ and ‘it depends’ 🤷🏻♂️😂
@gmccaughry, it's no wonder Lynch is a prominent proponent of Transcendental Meditation, which I still don't know the first thing about. But if it facilitates unconventional thinking, must be fantastic! 🧘♂️ 🌌
@@TheEsotericaChannel Twin Peaks and its references to Theosophy (and to Thelema, in supplementary material) is what started my interest in the esoteric to begin with.
The owls (and the donkeys) are not what they seem. A really great episode. I just finished Cormac McCarthy’s “The Passenger” and it dovetails nicely with that novel’s chaotic tone.
A David Lynch “Twin Peaks” reference, and an allusion to Seth’s eventual transmogrification into an inimical donkey-headed god. Both inspired by Doc Sledge’s wonderful video.
i love the fact that I can get an advanced college class here with every video at Esoterica, and also roll my eyeballs so hard at the comment section that they almost fall out
Whew, thanks Justin! Just as I was starting to feel bad about the lack of order in my life, you gave me an out with the whole chaos breads creativity thing. I do need my rationalizations!
Walking the fine line between order and chaos, the true path of the Magi! Love your videos Dr Sledge, always excited waiting on new uploads, learning so much You're hard work and dedication is greatly appreciated. Thank you!
As soon as im not that poor i will be paying for this content, its almost criminal that you offer this for free doctor sledge...this channel is truly a gift as are you
Can’t wait to watch this episode after work. I’ve always been fascinated with Set. I have a little statue of him in my room along with some other deities.
This video couldn’t have come at a better time. I’ve always had immense difficulty in my life in sticking to routines and creating order. However, my emotions are intense and burn through my body like waves of wildfire that often snuffs out oxygen and any forms of higher level cognition. I’m starting to learn how to use these emotions more strategically to propel myself to get things done. When in the midst of a wildfire my partner brings the much needed calm and ordered thinking of Horus through suggestions in how to approach problems. It’s enough to slow down the chaotic wildfires to slow burns so that I scan focus on completing what needs to be done whilst still following my own line of thinking that is often disruptive and foreign to those around me. This to me is the playing out of Yin & Yang (I am female and diagnosed with an atypical neurological system, my partner is male and more logical in thinking). It’s so comforting and amazing that the early ancient Egyptians really understood this. Thank you so much for this video.
Seth seems to embody a similar trope to the Hercules or Enkidu. A figure on the periphery of civilization and order. They are all embowered by their wildness and uniquely suited for combating chaos. Frightening due to their otherness and lack of civility, but also alluring for the same reason. The madman you just hope is on your side. Edit: you could probably throw Loki in there too. People have always like edgy bad boys.
Just popping in here to say as a pagan who's patron is Set, I was pleasantly surprised by the care, understanding, and general non-hatred towards him that is not seen in most modern media. Even "educational" texts and documentaries focus on the latter demonificiation of Set, and refuse to dig deeper into the more ancient practices of his worship. You have made my Sethian heart so happy, Dr Sledge. Please accept the heartfelt hug. 🫂💜💙
I love your content, I've learned so much about so many subjects, I've been a advid reader of tye occult, paranormal, mythology, and religion, you've taught me so much more. Thank you.
Thank you for this in depth video! I've had a very intimate fascination with Sutekh for a good while now and it feels like finding easy-to-digest resources has been a challenge. This was great to listen to
I was very much looking forward to this video Dr Sledge and you certainly delivered. I think Set was necessary to Egyptian religion in the same way as Judas is necessary to Christianity - his violence and murder inaugurated the grand Egyptian tradition of the afterlife, the existence of which was seen as a great solace to the ancient Egyptians. Despite his 'evil' reputation, he never tempts people or leads anyone into sin or even into disrespect of the gods. His crimes are only against his fellow gods and they, being divine and immortal, are best suited to deal with him. I've read of instances where people born with red hair were considered 'Set-like' as were people of violent, belligerent or overly passionate disposition. Let's also remember that homosexuality was seen as a sin in ancient Egypt. It is one of the 'sins' the soul of the deceased has to deny when before the tribunal of the gods. Set's desire for and abuse of Horus (although Horus was quite willing by some accounts) was the first homosexual act. btw As an Australian, 'bin chicken' is a term I'm actively trying to stamp out here in the Antipodes.
The fact that Sutekh just got brought back to Doctor Who TODAY, the day you uploaded this, after nearly 50 years of not appearing again... Wibbly wobbly, timey wimey, stuff?
please please please don't The thing they brought to Doctor Who was neither Set, nor the Sutekh of the 1970s episode, nor the more mythologically accurate Sutekh from the much better 1990s spinoff. The thing they brought to 2024 Doctor Who was an abomination, and not in the fun Set way. Not even in the serious Set way. That end phrase alone is abomination and ought to be ended.
@@kaizoisevil I can't agree that the episode 7 setup was any good. Or the entire season of the show. Even the Susan thing. As soon as they said "she scans as human", the answer is "but Susan isn't human so we know that's not her". And the re-arrangement and NEW LETTERING to set up "Sutekh"? It was horrifying. That Gabriel Woolf returned to voice the role was even more disappointing than getting pulled on a leash. Not to mention Set was never a god of death (his son Anubis) or dust (his father Geb). And Set wasn't jackal-headed (that was Anubis), Set's animal was something entirely of its own. There was nothing right or good about that episode and I don't want to overuse the word "abomination" but I simply don't have a better way to describe it. After the work done with "Sutekh" in the 70s episode, or the way the spinoff in the 90s (called "Faction Paradox") did it right down to the Solar Barge, Ra, Wepwawet, his sister-wife Nephthys, dismembering and distributing the body of Osiris... ... funny thing. There was a lot in the episode you could point to and say it's very possible they stole those features from the "Faction Paradox" appearances. Down to the masks on his servants. ... the whole thing was disgusting and I wish Set would exist, appear and come "Osiris" those foreigners who dared darken his name that way.
Totally dazzling and fascinating as usual. I was nibbling on a garden salad while listening to this. Perhaps not the most opportune time for enjoying a salad. Especially ranch dressing.
I understand about 2/3 of what you say but it's worth a bit if confusion because it's so interesting. Also you have a voice that sounds kind and calming. I am very dyslectic and listen to a lot of UA-cam edjucators. Im not universety material.
Fascinating video, thanks for making it. I've always been fascinated with the Ancient Egyptian civilization, their history, culture, and mythology, having once been well read on the subject. Seth's physical depiction has always been a mystery. One supposition, which I find quite reasonable, is that Set is a composite animal, parts from other animals stuck together. The flat tipped ears from a donkey, the curved snout from an aardvark. The stiff extended tail I'm not sure of, though. I can't think of any animal that still exists in north Africa that has such a tail.
This is completely awesome. I found you even though phone is charging. My Aunt went to Egypt for a vacation. Lots of stuff was given to us kids. Stuff was hard to find.
I love your videos mate. Thanks for taking the time to do these wonderful takes on obscure history. People like you are key to the sharing of knowledge and preserving our history. Thank you x❤
I'm seeing some definite parallel's with Loki, and that is really interesting. I've often wondered if their were other Loki-like deities but never really found one until now, lol
The Aardvark is nocturnal & comes out after the Sun sets. Also, the word "Set" has the most meanings in the dictionary, which could relate it to the idea of Babel. Although I do appreciate that's just in the English language.
Listening on Sunday, June 16th at 10:45am. I have attempted to *listen* to this at bedtime while winding down from the day. I’ve fallen asleep each night before the end. For me, that’s actually a High Compliment; it means I am truly relaxed. I usually listen to a video on this channel, Let’s Talk Religion, History Time, Fall of Empires, etc., before moving onto The French Whisperer to sleep. (I live in a shared space, in an apartment complex. I need the “white noise” to drown that out). I Love Learning! 😊 Thank You for what you do here Dr Sledge. It’s Very Much Appreciated🙏🙏
Oooh you were on FIRE for this one. Thank you ! Unrelatedly: would you be willing to make a video presenting the objects we can see around you ? I’m curious.
"I bring Sutekh's gift of death to all humanity" - Pyramids of Mars (1975) "Your evil is my good. I'm Sutekh the Destroyer. Where I tread, I leave nothing but dust and darkness. I find that good." - Pyramids of Mars (1975) “I bring Sutekh’s gift of death. For you, and for all in your tiny, vile, incessant universe.” - The Legend of Ruby Sunday (2024) Justin's timing couldn't be better.
I love your videos so much! It's a shame grifters like Terrence Howard and Billy Carson get all the attention when we got fine folks like you providing actual knowledge and insight.
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Do you think these texts stemmed from some cosmic comets, planetary, or events over constellations they were observing in the 'heavens'? Mars as Seth, *Isis as Venus, Osiris as Jupiter, or perhaps frequent comets through the sky over the constellations representing the battles, etc?
So you're saying that his nature was not Seth in stone?
Prexactly
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Hahahaha 😂❤yes!
Truly wonderful ancient Egyptian gods are 😂
As a deity of confusion, the age of the internet may very well be the age of Set.
Patron saint of twitter. (Which i still refuse to call X) 😂
@@courtneybrock1 Twitter is the only entity I will ever knowingly willfully deadname
Kali Yuga, Age of Aquarius or the Aeon of Horus. All are true, but Set isn't here as the lead deity ATM.
“Don’t believe everything you read on the internet.”-Abraham Lincoln
@@TMDWTFIUYou don't know, he might be. Maybe you should go on even more internet and see if Set is there or not.
In some of the more extreme American Evangelical communities, Cain is portrayed as Set. He wandered over to Egypt after killing Abel and set up shop as a king, even stealing the name of Seth. Heathen Egyptians then deified him. There’s even an illustrated book.
I think it’s ironic that their mythological mashup is introducing the kind of chaos and disorder Set may have approved of.
Ha! Yep
Wasn't that also part of the lore for Vampire: The Masquerade way back in the early 90's?
Seems exactly like the sort of thing the evangelicals could pick up
@@psychosytheXmediaXco Kinda, Set was supposed to be one of his grandkids.
@TheArmchairPriest Satan is a post-biblical figure though, the Hebrew meant something like opposer or adversary (some scholars claim Executioner based on the role this word seemed assigned to in early Jewish literature). The name Samael doesn't correspond to that title, meaning instead something like light bearer (though that is closer to the Latin 'Lucifer'). To impose the character of Satan on something far older seems incorrect to me.
I'd be very interested in that idea if it was proposed by an ancient Kabbalist.
Connections between Jewish and ancient Egyptian mythology must be there but they're maddeningly hard to pin down.
This is who I feel like ATM. I am currently homeless, live ng in my car, not one single person Im close to right now, walking through life in these hot summer days, feeling chaotic and ancient. But the thing is, I've found balance, greater truth, wisdom of life, I've found myself and I've been able ilto dissolve the delusions I was living in. I have 3 interviews in the next three days, and have learned a wise lesson about conserving wealth, knowledge, and other resources. Thank you esoterica❤
All the very best of luck.
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Jesus is always there for you. He’s helped me a lot in my darkest moments. Take care!
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Same dude. Became homeless in July '22. I was in a rut before that but homelessness forced me out into the world. Convenience was killing me but now I feel like things are just inconvenient enough to give me real problems so I don't sweat the small stuff anymore.
The only people who talk to me are kind (arseholes ignore me) and the generosity of strangers has been humbling. So my view of humanity has changed for the better. I understand the Beatitudes now on an experiential level.
I'm financially poor but I've never felt spiritually richer. I would never have chosen this but it's been good for me. I've got my dog with me which has been a lifesaver. Otherwise not having social contact much would be harder. I'm also doing meta Bhavana (love meditation) to stay emotionally healthy. I'd recommend both.👍
This is now one my all time favourite quotes:
"...The chaos of creation and the routine of consistent productivity-too much of either is probably destruction: through the disorder of pure difference, or the living death of pure repetition..."
- Dr. James Justin Sledge
As a Benedictine monk, I probably should not enjoy your programming as much as I do. Thank you for not only your great information, but your great sense of humor. I almost spit out my ginger ale at the David Linch slide.
Peace be with you, brother!
"Tip Turkey" has to be my favourite term for these animals. "Tip here meaning a rubbish dump not a gratuity. Having worked in close proximity to these birds I have to say the reputation is not wholly undeserved 😆
There is a translated version of the Seth v Horus coom-off where Horus catches his uncles spooge in secret, sneaks into Seth's cabbage patch, then whips it onto his favourite tossed salad. Next time they're in court, Seth uses magic to make the goo talk to prove that it's in Horus' ass to embarrass him, but when the voice starts coming from Seth's own stomach, well, he just looks a bit silly. Then everyone laughs.
10/10, best mythology.
Beautiful! Could you please give us the source for this if you have it? Was this a translation of a Hellenic or an Egyptian text?
@@PAN77769 The most famous version of this story is from Papyrus Chester Beatty I dated to the last dynasty of the New Kingdom.
Only the best myths have m-preg
@@AC-dk4fp thank you!
@@angelikaskoroszyn8495 As long as you don't go full Orphic Theogony.
Finally, a proper episode on my favourite Egyptian deity! I've always seen him as one of the most misunderstood gods, and perhaps the pioneer of what has later become the Lion King trope, with hundreds of remakes of the same story: younger brother of king usurping the throne through treacherous means, and eventually losing it to his nephew, the rightful heir. However, the original myth is a lot richer and more complicated than that. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that in the earliest myths, there are some references of him actually being Anubis's father, as well as some mention of him erecting a huge pillar that allowed Osiris to ascend into heaven. The dichotomy between his fertility and toxic nature makes sense if we think about the desert as his dominia: there is also life in the desert, but it's a harsh environment than more often than not will unalive you. Truly fascinating. Thank you so much for this episode!
In one version Horus and Set are Thoth's joint dads but no Thoth centered text accepts that tradition.
Set only loses half the Kingdom to Horus and sometimes that's upper or lower egypt (no agreement) rather than the desert.
If you love that, then you are going to love this:
Did you know there are other versions of him in other African mythology? People who think the Egyptians were not black hate this, but you can only find Egyptian mythology in other African faiths. and if you look at the various versions of Set it is like he is going through a character arc:
-First, there is the Egyptian aardvark Set, which dismembers Osiris
-Pemba a jackal from Mande mythology probably even more evil that set.
-Ogo the pale fox from Dogon mythology and just as evil
-There is a usurper Jackal in Sere mythology who is more jealous than evil
-Then the mostly benign Ntumbo aardvark from the epic of Mwindo from the Kongo.
-There is also Chiwara the Aardvark gazelle from Bambara mythology. He is actually the offspring of the chaos snake and the trickster god, but he himself is benevolent and is an agricultural deity who can travel to the underworld similar to Osiris.
-and Eshu the god of crossroads from Yoruba mythology. He is different as he isn't evil at all and actually repaired Obatalla when he was dismembered instead of doing the dismembering himself. He also seems to be devoid of the animal motif. Edit: I discovered that the arch thing on his head is a reference to the arch body of an Aardvark.
The reason why those various animals are liked is because aardvarks create and abandons burrows in the earth, that Foxes, jackals and snakes live in afterwards. So If you follow each, creation myth and go from East Africa to West, it is like Set has a character arch until he becomes a totally upstanding guy.
Nice comment 👍🏽 any further reading you'd recommend on the East to West African myths?
Set was a dark deity ! He was venerated by a corrupt priesthood and military
@@CrumpitssGeneral Umm sure.
the reason why aardvarks are associated with disorder in Africa is because they target termite mounds.
Termite mounds are the basis of all African creation myths. It represents Order, because of the social complexity of the termite. aardvarks would break into them, have a meal and then leave. the hole they leave is then occupied by Snakes, foxes and jackals as I have said before. This is also why almost all African creation myths, the hidden god creates an earth mound first. The Egyptians called this Benben.
In Dogon mythology, the termite mound is perceived as the clitoris of the earth goddess. in others, it is the penis of the earth god. when the sky and earth attempted to mate, the termite mound prevented proper coupling and created improper chaotic beings. In various other myths, this "issue with coupling" is a recurring motif. in Egyptian mythology Nu and Geb must be forced apart. this forced separation would break the earth mound. and this is the mythological origins of circumcision.
now going from East Africa to West, The Ogdaod, the 4 pairs of primordial gods are repeated in mythology. in Egypt and the Dogon, the 4 pairs are these aquatic, or amphibious creatures. but by the time you get to the Sere, Mande, Bambara, Hausa and Yoruba, the amphibious beings become seeds. I honestly think this means that all these cultures date back to when the Sahara was green and there was one large collective African group that lived there and they were the first to begin agriculture. this is why Osiris, Obatalla and Chiwara are all agricultural deities. So this means Africans developed agriculture first and it spread into the fertile crescent and not the other way around. In Yoruba, the 4 pairs of seeds are found on Orunmilla's divination chain called an Opelle. sometimes one of those seeds is painted black or a different colour to represent the "Usurper" Chaos god. now a part of this divination is 16 rules or systems to it. 8 for the spiritual realm, and 8 for the earthly. This is the 4 pairs of the seeds again. This is important, in Egyptian mythology, we have both the ogdoad and the Ennead. Europeans miss that they are the same thing. for the ennead, you have to not count Atum. when you do that you have the 8 spiritual gods (ogdaod) and then their 8 earthly counterparts, Osiris, Isis, set etc.
Now this is where Thoth comes in. Thoth is the one who laid the cosmic egg the Ogdoad was birthed from. Originally that is what the Sankofa symbol represented. Thoth is found in other African religions in the West. in Benin, you have the bird of prophecy. sometimes this bird is depicted with a seed. This is important because Benin has another god called Osun. Osun, like Thoth, is a god of medicine and knowledge, and he has a staff that has an Ibis on top, surrounded by two rings of birds. each ring has 8 ibis with seeds in their mouths. one ring represents the divine and the lower one represents the earthly. sometimes however these 16 are on the same level. But it is all a reference to the same Egyptian creation myths.
If we stick to East Africa, Horus is a more "local" god and has versions only found in East African mythology:
Egypt has Horus (Heru)
Kush has Merul
and the rest of the Cushties like the Oromo have their version called Hurr.
The other Egyptian gods, are either unique to Egypt or have very slight connections to other African clans and family totems. like cats, jaguaras, hippos and crocodiles all mean the same thing across the board. it is just in Egypt they went overboard and deified these totems.
If the Egyptian gods were the Muppets, Seth would be Gonzo.
Best analogy
@@TheEsotericaChannel Bast analogy! 🐈⬛️ 🥁 🎤 (...hello, is this mic on?)
i have never agreed so wholeheartedly
New headcannon unlocked!
A fish-boomerang performer with a harem of broody chickens? That’s some wholesome chaos. 😂😂😂
Between Esoterica, Doctor Who, and the UA-cam algorithm, Set has been popping up on my UA-cam feed a lot this weekend. He must have hired a new agent recently.
If we start seeing trailers for a new Percy Jackson or Mummy franchise we’ll know who done it
Well it’s a conceptual being so…
Love that Dr Who episode where the Dr meets Set/ Sutekh. ("Pyramids of Mars")
_Sutekh lives_
You had me laughing for a full minute at the David Lynch reference. I needed that, thanks!
Me too.
scrolled to find this :) or I would have said it myself.
Me too lmao
Timestamp?
Came here to say this too. Almost spit out my coffee. Absolute gold lol
So i had to rewind like five times already because when Doc Sledge said "divine rudeboy" my mind was completely overtaken by the image of Set in his black and whites skanking to some 2 tone...
Thank you for this wonderful lesson about Set. You mentioned Dungeons and Dragons, and it was through that game that I was first introduced to the Egyptian pantheon in the rules expansion "Deities and Demigods". In that book, Set was paradoxically listed as having the "alignment" Lawful Evil (I guess they had to have something to offset Apep, the Chaotic Evil god in the game's version of the mythos). But, in that long ago day in 1985 at the somewhat elderly D&D age of 21 when I first picked up the game, I've been fascinated by the religion of the ancient Egyptians ever since. Scholars like you have helped keep that interest alive.
I just realized the set-animal is the was-scepter. From now I'll think of it as the chaos stick. Great video.
Oh, "glow stick of destiny" wielded by none other than Norse trickster God, Loki!
could also be a snake/snake catcher (hence the funny legs/prongs for trapping snakes)
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Also reminds me of a certain guy named Moses and his snake/staff.
@@warboatsyes, that forked bottom would come in handy for that, and maybe for digging during the planting season.
Fascinating and entertaining as always, thank you!
"osiris will not only laugh last, but laugh twicest" --justin sledge
that's dr. Justin Sledge to you. professor.
Lol. Can confirm ibis are universally known as "bin chickens" in Australia.
Ibises are beautiful and it makes me sad us Aussies call them bin chickens 😂
@@KenjiWardenclyffe “a rose by any other name…”
Even so we voted for them as our favourite bird back in 2017.
I've only lived in South Australia and Tasmania, when I travelled to QLD the first time and saw the ibis I was so excited and thought they were so exotic 😂
By his symbolic act of "ending" Osiris's life, he was instrumental to the rise of his brother as the god of the Afterlife, Death and Resurrection. The problem, as in many religions, is that most people don't see the metaphoric truths but are literal to the myths. Set represents the indomitable strength of chaos but in Ma'at's service as he is the one who fights the serpent Apep who represents the forces of Isfet (the opposite of Ma'at order).
Yeah he comes off as more 'the agent of necessary change and chaos', things you might not like, but need to happen to make the world keep rolling.
Change is uncomfortable but healthy.
Thanks!
Thanks
hail SET, the ancient god of rock n roll....
There's a joke in Scandinavian egyptology that Peribsen is the "Norwegian pharaoh" because Per Ibsen sounds like the name of a guy from Norway
Well because it is. Norwagians are from upper Egypt
A blessed day anytime Dr. Sledge uploads! 🙏
Perfectly timed with the Sutekh reveal in Doctor Who!!
I love that this came out the same day Doctor Who brought back my favorite villan Sutekh the destroyer!!
Was thinking about making this comment but didn't want to spoil it for anyone too soon💙💙
Perfect timing for Doctor Sledge with Doctor Who
@BojoPigeon oops your right lol spoilers I guess 😅
I'm absolutely certain that Seth is supposed to be an anteater and I'll wave my arms maniacally while cackling at anyone who disagrees.
I'm sure the passionate, unsettled debate is acceptable to Set ;)
Oh lordy, Daniel Franch, with THOSE ears, he's gotta be the African continental Aardvark!
...i saw the image at @6:18 and thought "Set was a balloon dog?"
I've heard this somewhere before, actually. I'm not sure where.
Agreed, he's an aardvark. My other possibility is a giraffe, but if I had to choose, I'd go with aardvark.
This episode coming out on the same day as the current Doctor Who episode is just crazed.
Spoilers. 😉
Came here to say this
Crazed like a fox
came out before it aired even. Either Dr Sledge is a Who fan or all these magickal texts are rubbing off on him.
@@NullStaticVoidSledge is a Doctor, after all…
The timing of this video is wild, Sutekh (an old villain based on Set) just returned on Doctor Who today.
I would like to say thank you from the bottom of my heart for your content, it is absolutely phenomenal. I am of very meager means, but I felt good about contributing to this channel. This episode spoke specifically to my heart.
Another great video, of particular interest to those Thelemites able to read between the lines to see how Set is always present in Thelema, even if (almost) never named directly.
Possibly Seth was an Okapi (also known as a forest giraffe). It really looks like the image and it’s from the right part of the world. 🎉
Interessting idea, but Seths snout is very much curved, which isn't the case for okapies.
The Okapies living space rather far off though, not close as you think. A donkey could fit.
I wonder if he was an extinct animal, the poor animals were likely killed off later when he became the Egyptain devil.
@@cegesh1459 if a donkey visually makes sense, would a mule not fit too? They are oddities after all, they can't naturally breed together they only are born
Why not a giraffe?
look like any animals with a prolongued noise, an ibis too.
😂😂😂 I almost pissed myself at the Lynch reference, that’s why your content is so cool and unique. Scholarly and funny AF! Thanks! 🎉
Another Venn diagram overlap probably - Esoterica and David Lynch fans
@@TheEsotericaChannel oh yah, and still, I do not understand how anyone can be more than ‘ambivalent’ when it comes to liking Lynch or hating it… Which is where I find myself; the warm comfortable zone of ‘I dunno’ and ‘it depends’ 🤷🏻♂️😂
@gmccaughry, it's no wonder Lynch is a prominent proponent of Transcendental Meditation, which I still don't know the first thing about. But if it facilitates unconventional thinking, must be fantastic! 🧘♂️ 🌌
@@TheEsotericaChannel Twin Peaks and its references to Theosophy (and to Thelema, in supplementary material) is what started my interest in the esoteric to begin with.
The owls (and the donkeys) are not what they seem.
A really great episode. I just finished Cormac McCarthy’s “The Passenger” and it dovetails nicely with that novel’s chaotic tone.
Great book! One of my very favorites ever.
Mind explaining? I understand that owls represent Isis, and Donkeys Tyr. Interested in hearing your thoughts.
A David Lynch “Twin Peaks” reference, and an allusion to Seth’s eventual transmogrification into an inimical donkey-headed god.
Both inspired by Doc Sledge’s wonderful video.
Set, the God of the comment section.
The power of Set compels you!!!
i love the fact that I can get an advanced college class here with every video at Esoterica, and also roll my eyeballs so hard at the comment section that they almost fall out
@@Salamander_falls ✝️ : dats ma line.
Loll
Rip david lynch thank you for your beautifully curated deep dives
Yesss! Praise to Sutekh! So cool to see a video on him from one of my favorite youtubers!
as always, Thank Dr. Sledge for the elucidation.
Whew, thanks Justin! Just as I was starting to feel bad about the lack of order in my life, you gave me an out with the whole chaos breads creativity thing. I do need my rationalizations!
And, right after the reveal that Set/Sutek is back? What a champ
I feel you captured the rebelous spirit of seth, a nessary part of manifestation
Walking the fine line between order and chaos, the true path of the Magi! Love your videos Dr Sledge, always excited waiting on new uploads, learning so much
You're hard work and dedication is greatly appreciated. Thank you!
Absolutely perfect timing for this episode!
As soon as im not that poor i will be paying for this content, its almost criminal that you offer this for free doctor sledge...this channel is truly a gift as are you
There's a wonderful synchronicity with events in this week's Doctor Who and this video.....
Can’t wait to watch this episode after work. I’ve always been fascinated with Set. I have a little statue of him in my room along with some other deities.
This video couldn’t have come at a better time. I’ve always had immense difficulty in my life in sticking to routines and creating order.
However, my emotions are intense and burn through my body like waves of wildfire that often snuffs out oxygen and any forms of higher level cognition.
I’m starting to learn how to use these emotions more strategically to propel myself to get things done. When in the midst of a wildfire my partner brings the much needed calm and ordered thinking of Horus through suggestions in how to approach problems. It’s enough to slow down the chaotic wildfires to slow burns so that I scan focus on completing what needs to be done whilst still following my own line of thinking that is often disruptive and foreign to those around me.
This to me is the playing out of Yin & Yang (I am female and diagnosed with an atypical neurological system, my partner is male and more logical in thinking).
It’s so comforting and amazing that the early ancient Egyptians really understood this.
Thank you so much for this video.
Can’t wait to share this with my Vampire the Masquerade group
I missed the last few episodes, this is a fantastic one to bring me back in!
Seth seems to embody a similar trope to the Hercules or Enkidu. A figure on the periphery of civilization and order. They are all embowered by their wildness and uniquely suited for combating chaos. Frightening due to their otherness and lack of civility, but also alluring for the same reason. The madman you just hope is on your side.
Edit: you could probably throw Loki in there too. People have always like edgy bad boys.
And let’s not forget Pan. 🐐
@@jeanettewaverly2590 Pan doesn't do much warrior stuff and is mostly just forwardly anti-civilisation.
There are many liminal goddesses too; Hecate comes to mind
it never clicked how bad boys got started.
Loki, in his oldest form, was actually revered as a god of fire and fatherhood.
Just popping in here to say as a pagan who's patron is Set, I was pleasantly surprised by the care, understanding, and general non-hatred towards him that is not seen in most modern media. Even "educational" texts and documentaries focus on the latter demonificiation of Set, and refuse to dig deeper into the more ancient practices of his worship. You have made my Sethian heart so happy, Dr Sledge. Please accept the heartfelt hug. 🫂💜💙
Do you know what pagan even means?
@@angelina6543there's been a neo-pagan strain in Western spirituality for over 100 years now...do YOU know what it means?
The wild synchronicity that this was posted the same day of the new Doctor Who reveal!
Thouroughly enjoyed this episode! Please do an episode about The Winged Dragon of Ra next ;)
ahhh great episode. Almost made me forget I was waiting for Demiurge Episode #3 !
Demiurge #2
I love your content, I've learned so much about so many subjects, I've been a advid reader of tye occult, paranormal, mythology, and religion, you've taught me so much more. Thank you.
The layout and way you present various subjects, is great. Don't fix what isn't broken, as they say.
Love your videos man! Gotta be one of my new favorite historical channels
The road to enlightenment is paved in a rigorous schedule.
Thank you for this in depth video! I've had a very intimate fascination with Sutekh for a good while now and it feels like finding easy-to-digest resources has been a challenge. This was great to listen to
"What a fantastic video! The depth and clarity with which you covered the figure of the god Seth in Egyptian mythology are impressive.
Your level of objectivity, despite your religious conviction, is unmatched! Kudos
Q: What is the incantation to summon Set?
A: On your mark, Get SET, Go!
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Quiet on the SET!
_Oh, HI Mark_
try the pgm iv to identify with set and invoke typhon, life changing spell
Your phrase "The Living Death of Pure Repetition" truly hit home, sir. Thank you for all you've shared with us.
Stay Safe
Absolutely love this channel
49secs in n i already fw u heavy
u r so cool!!!!
I was very much looking forward to this video Dr Sledge and you certainly delivered. I think Set was necessary to Egyptian religion in the same way as Judas is necessary to Christianity - his violence and murder inaugurated the grand Egyptian tradition of the afterlife, the existence of which was seen as a great solace to the ancient Egyptians. Despite his 'evil' reputation, he never tempts people or leads anyone into sin or even into disrespect of the gods. His crimes are only against his fellow gods and they, being divine and immortal, are best suited to deal with him. I've read of instances where people born with red hair were considered 'Set-like' as were people of violent, belligerent or overly passionate disposition. Let's also remember that homosexuality was seen as a sin in ancient Egypt. It is one of the 'sins' the soul of the deceased has to deny when before the tribunal of the gods. Set's desire for and abuse of Horus (although Horus was quite willing by some accounts) was the first homosexual act. btw As an Australian, 'bin chicken' is a term I'm actively trying to stamp out here in the Antipodes.
Love the use of humor in the lesson. Makes it more memorable.
The fact that Sutekh just got brought back to Doctor Who TODAY, the day you uploaded this, after nearly 50 years of not appearing again... Wibbly wobbly, timey wimey, stuff?
please please please don't
The thing they brought to Doctor Who was neither Set, nor the Sutekh of the 1970s episode, nor the more mythologically accurate Sutekh from the much better 1990s spinoff.
The thing they brought to 2024 Doctor Who was an abomination, and not in the fun Set way. Not even in the serious Set way.
That end phrase alone is abomination and ought to be ended.
@@troffle I have to agree. I loved the setup in episode 7, but episode 8 was a let down. How does he just let himself get pulled on a leash like that?
@@kaizoisevil I can't agree that the episode 7 setup was any good. Or the entire season of the show.
Even the Susan thing. As soon as they said "she scans as human", the answer is "but Susan isn't human so we know that's not her".
And the re-arrangement and NEW LETTERING to set up "Sutekh"? It was horrifying. That Gabriel Woolf returned to voice the role was even more disappointing than getting pulled on a leash.
Not to mention Set was never a god of death (his son Anubis) or dust (his father Geb). And Set wasn't jackal-headed (that was Anubis), Set's animal was something entirely of its own.
There was nothing right or good about that episode and I don't want to overuse the word "abomination" but I simply don't have a better way to describe it. After the work done with "Sutekh" in the 70s episode, or the way the spinoff in the 90s (called "Faction Paradox") did it right down to the Solar Barge, Ra, Wepwawet, his sister-wife Nephthys, dismembering and distributing the body of Osiris...
... funny thing. There was a lot in the episode you could point to and say it's very possible they stole those features from the "Faction Paradox" appearances. Down to the masks on his servants.
... the whole thing was disgusting and I wish Set would exist, appear and come "Osiris" those foreigners who dared darken his name that way.
The fact that you uploaded this right as he was in Doctor Who as a villain is pretty funny
Only Seth deal in absolutes
Unless you ask him about what animal represents him, he keeps dodging that question
Just watched ROTS today!
@@BMWE90HQ you’re a king 👑
I love Lord of the rings references.....
@@JohnSmith-fo5cx 😂
Thoroughly enjoyed this episode!
Totally dazzling and fascinating as usual. I was nibbling on a garden salad while listening to this. Perhaps not the most opportune time for enjoying a salad. Especially ranch dressing.
Raunchy! That's where that term, um, comes from! I kid you not! 🥗
@Jeffroh 🌄 the sun SETS between the Twin Peaks! We could do this all day!
@@Jeffroh them 🐊 Sobek GATOR-ades, er, crocodiles! 🏃♂️ 🛡 🥊🥊🤼♂️
"I'm eating a Fruit Corner here, Jeremy"
I always enjoy your style, density of information and hearing from so many angles about the Esoteric. :)
I understand about 2/3 of what you say but it's worth a bit if confusion because it's so interesting. Also you have a voice that sounds kind and calming. I am very dyslectic and listen to a lot of UA-cam edjucators. Im not universety material.
Fascinating video, thanks for making it. I've always been fascinated with the Ancient Egyptian civilization, their history, culture, and mythology, having once been well read on the subject. Seth's physical depiction has always been a mystery. One supposition, which I find quite reasonable, is that Set is a composite animal, parts from other animals stuck together. The flat tipped ears from a donkey, the curved snout from an aardvark. The stiff extended tail I'm not sure of, though. I can't think of any animal that still exists in north Africa that has such a tail.
Did you know they newest Dr Who the villain was going to be Sutekt? Literally the same day?
This is completely awesome. I found you even though phone is charging. My Aunt went to Egypt for a vacation. Lots of stuff was given to us kids. Stuff was hard to find.
most definitely not intended, this video is very timely given the recent doctor who episode
I love your videos mate. Thanks for taking the time to do these wonderful takes on obscure history. People like you are key to the sharing of knowledge and preserving our history. Thank you x❤
I think I will re-watch the Doctor Who episode The Pyramids of Mars starring Tom Baker ... ties in with this story!
Yay some new content from one of my favorite mentors. I love the way you teach.
Lol what a crazy story. Do you believe it's all spiritual parables
"Directed by David Lynch" got a really good laugh out of me.
Great Great Courses-style analysis. Thank you! This was a great listen while cooking.
Good time for him because he is The Villain for The new season of Doctor Who!
Justin, the intro to this episode is freaking fantastic. Appreciate all your work but this was really outstanding.
I just realised this video came out the same day (I think) that Set was revealed to be the villain in Doctor Who (sort of).
That's some weird timing.
I'm seeing some definite parallel's with Loki, and that is really interesting. I've often wondered if their were other Loki-like deities but never really found one until now, lol
The Aardvark is nocturnal & comes out after the Sun sets. Also, the word "Set" has the most meanings in the dictionary, which could relate it to the idea of Babel. Although I do appreciate that's just in the English language.
Very happy to have you cover this particular topic! It was a very enjoyable ride, thank you very much!
Seth is the god of chaos, making order out of your chaos that is. Work with thus God🔥💪
Listening on Sunday, June 16th at 10:45am.
I have attempted to *listen* to this at bedtime while winding down from the day.
I’ve fallen asleep each night before the end.
For me, that’s actually a High Compliment; it means I am truly relaxed. I usually listen to a video on this channel, Let’s Talk Religion, History Time, Fall of Empires, etc., before moving onto The French Whisperer to sleep. (I live in a shared space, in an apartment complex. I need the “white noise” to drown that out).
I Love Learning! 😊
Thank You for what you do here Dr Sledge. It’s Very Much Appreciated🙏🙏
wow, Justin - did you have insider info about the Dr Who finale??? o.0
Total coincidence
@@TheEsotericaChannel riiiiiiiiiiiight ;)
Best lecture on Set, I have ever have.
man I cant believe this. I was searching for Set and you uploaded a video on him? What is this???
Magick. It’s everywhere.
@@jeanettewaverly2590 Truly. Will it always amaze me that it is so? I believe it will
@@alexjann5802 It’s good to be continually amazed!
Oooh you were on FIRE for this one. Thank you !
Unrelatedly: would you be willing to make a video presenting the objects we can see around you ? I’m curious.
here after that doctor who episode
Not sure how many others will get the coincidental timing of today's Set episode and tonight's return of Sutekh to the Doctor Who universe.
"I bring Sutekh's gift of death to all humanity" - Pyramids of Mars (1975)
"Your evil is my good. I'm Sutekh the Destroyer. Where I tread, I leave nothing but dust and darkness. I find that good." - Pyramids of Mars (1975)
“I bring Sutekh’s gift of death. For you, and for all in your tiny, vile, incessant universe.” - The Legend of Ruby Sunday (2024)
Justin's timing couldn't be better.
I have no idea why this fascinates me so much. I am just going to have to watch it over and over. Looking forward to a Seth t-shirt
Egyptian Mythology definitely has some twist and turns.
Malevolent chaos coming up!
Set's gonna' love it.
I love your videos so much! It's a shame grifters like Terrence Howard and Billy Carson get all the attention when we got fine folks like you providing actual knowledge and insight.
Howard just seems mad.