Debate Assessing Ukraine's Battlefield
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- Опубліковано 29 кві 2024
- Ambassador Paula Dobriansky and Professor John Mearsheimer share contrasting viewpoints on Ukraine's military powers and the evolving dynamics of the conflict. Dobriansky highlights Ukraine's resilience and recent victories, and Mearsheimer argues that the balance of power is shifting in Russia's favor.
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Debate: Should Congress Stop Funding the War in Ukraine? Full debate video: ua-cam.com/video/rdtCyiKHtqE/v-deo.html
yes it should because 61B isn't going to create another offensive for Ukraine all that achieves is getting Biden to November without another foreign policy disaster on his hands.
This debate perfectly represents US politics. Two women with no military experience arguing about a war with two men with substantial military experience. It's just them emoting at the guys the whole time
You nailed it right 😆😆😂😂
Women probably funded my military industrial complex who is making billions by paying millions to buy politicians
LOL
what amazed me
how US citizen support US goverment who's bribed by weapon industries, then the goverment lending money, to make weapon industries profits
who will pay the debt? US citizen, from tax. did weapon Industries pay Tax? nooo they got tax cut and tax holiday because they bribed Goverment politician
US citizen that dumb????
Your point is much deeper. We have a gynocentric west where policies are made to women’s sensibilities.
Two women who can't do it without reading from a paper
Two women with no military experience, emotionally arguing about the war and getting support from the crowd is beyond me.
Learn how to respect women.
@@lg2058 This video is not about respecting women.
Are these women mothers,,wives,,sisters,I cannot believe this,urging for more blood
@lg2058 This video is about war, where men bleed and die in bits and pieces without women in sight, this isn't about women.
@@lg2058 You can only respect when there is a reason. I agree, their lack of knowledge showed through and your stating your feelings does not change the fact that, like you, they were arguing on feelings and not facts. Facts matter.
Did Putin or Russia say they are taking over entire Ukraine in 4 days ?!?
I have heard the West say this but can’t find when did Russia say it.
General Milley claimed that Ukraine would be conquered in 10 days. I cant find any primary sources quoting Putin or any Russian official making such a statement.
Only "war experts" said this
It was the Biden administration as part of it's propaganda
That’s because Russia never said any such thing. It’s just more nonsense drivel from the MSM. We should all be used to that by now.
Russian state media said this on several occasions
Professor John Mearsheimer is just exceptionally intelligent.
He is not. He is creature from the past. He completely out to lunch
@@ivanrudenko9707you must BE stupid
@@ivanrudenko9707he is a west point graduate and an air force officer turned college professor. I think I’d respect his opinion over the clueless academic women
@@ivanrudenko9707 yet he's called everything right
Are these women sales persons for the military industrial complex?
Fundamentally, yes. Although PR team is more accurate maybe
YES
Yes
yes, we have them sitting in parliament in UK. example: Ben Wallace, minister of defence, who following his campaign against peace talks, leaves his position in government for a nice position in military industry. many such cases.
@@ayyleeuz4892 this happenened in FAA officer, when retired work for Boeing or 9 of last 10 FDA commissioner retired works for Big Pharma.......
same thing
she should send her children then, I guess it would not be that easy to talk about the war in that theoretical way
She probably has none because she was pursuing her career
@@markmarcas6523 I guess you are right
amateurs vs. professionals
These women want to send long range nuclear weapons? Where do they think this will end? Do they want nuclear weapons next? Warmongerers.
It was not about that. The West leaders know those weapons would be annihilated very quickly and the West countries would be emptying their main defenses.
The two women echoing the claim that if only we send them weapons then Ukraine will win is a fallacy. First
there is no capacity to produce them right away, most of the money is backfilling inventories, secondly, wonder weapons cannot be counted on to change the war. So far none of them have, thirdly, Ukraine has lost 500K+ soldiers and have run out of new recruits.
Hitler also believed that “wonder weapons” would win the war for him towards the end. The rest is history.
They dont care what the facts are because their emotions tell them that Voldemort Pootin is the bad guy and the good guys always win.
Total disregard for the interests of the Ukrainian people by the two ladies. Just like disregard of their bosses for American people. Who are they? What is their expertise? Sad times.
Fair. Then perhaps try to listen to Ukrainians. Or do you think that you know better what is good for them that Ukrainians themselves?
Yes, Ukrainian people do know what's best for them and that is why they elected Zelensky who ran on a platform of peace and reconciliation. Also, that is why Zelensky's government was to sign peace agreement in March 22. Unfortunately, it seems that powers that didn't care of what people wants prevailed. That is why today we have 100s of thousands of people dead on both sides, property destroyed and strong forces pushing the conflict towards nuclear war forgetting that if atomic bombs start flying it will be meaningless who started and why.
The false compassion argument. It is disgusting.
You know what would show consideration for Ukrainian lives? Not invading them and not bombing their civilians, you pig.
@@pfackaThe objection isnt to the Ukrainians charting their own course - the objection is providing them with our resources.
@@codyvandal2860 That's maybe YOUR objection. But that was not Goran's objection to which I was replying. His objection was disregard of interests of Ukrainians and Americans.
But that does matter. You are both wrong on every level, factually, morally ...
If you are sincerely curious why ask nicely I will try to explain.
It’s scary that these two uniformed women get a stage to debate with prof Mearsheimer and Danny Davis. I know who’s opinion I’d listen to.
Ukraine didn’t win any great victory in Kharkiv or Kherson. Russia withdrew from those areas when their initial invasion plan stalled. Ukraine simply drove into abandoned land and reclaimed it, they didn’t win some huge battle. As for the Black Seas Fleet. Ukraine could sink the whole thing and it woudn’t change the outcome of the war as this is a ground war. These women are delusional.
Whenever Ukrainian bots bring up Karkov, I ask them one simple question: Before retreating from Luhansk, Ukraine was defeated in Lychansk and Savaradonesk. Where did Ukraine defeat Russia in Karkov?
This video should be studied in the future to distinguish between *Delusion* and *Reality,* and Ukraine by then would have become a great example for that study.
Ukraine has recived more than $100bn since 2022. If that's not enough, nothing will be...
To be Frank it is not enough especially if you are fighting against Russia...if the US wants Ukrainian to win(well it is too late now)
If the US had given all their military budget to ukraine at the start of the war they will still not win. money has it's limits since the value of money is significantly less than the power of a gun
Two women with no military experience at all and clueless about the war.
It is worth watching the whole debate. Thanks Open to Debate.
Where's the full debate?
Is it, really? If it’s any more of those 2 women propagandists, then no thanks.
@@ericp1139 Know thy enemy.
@@ericzee6506 ua-cam.com/video/rdtCyiKHtqE/v-deo.html
@@dannyferguson9415 I know a globalist neocon shill when I see em. These ladies all read from the same script.
Russia's grain is also flowing. They are the largest exporter.
Two women who have never heard the sound of a gun in their life are arguing about a major war in Europe. Wtf
Action speaks louder than words. I wonder if these two women would bet their life-savings on Ukraine winning?
Show the whole debate please
Hi. The full debate link is in the description: ua-cam.com/video/rdtCyiKHtqE/v-deo.html
The women, what are they talking about ? 😂😂😂😂
The military guys don't want war, and the ambassador lady doesn't want diplomacy. Ironic.
I once served in the Chinese army. My military career taught me that modern warfare is a military system versus another military system, not a weapon versus another weapon. Modern armies hope to use the same tank chassis with different combat turrets, the purpose of which is to be able to repair them with the same set of parts when damaged, reducing logistics pressure.
The lady mentioned Russia lost another vessel. Why doesn't she mention the Ukrainian losses???
😂😂😂
Women.
Reason vs emotion. That pretty much sums up this debate.
What are they (the ladies) writing down, i wonder?
Manpower seems to be essential.
😂.... this lady is speaking Nonsense
where is the full debate?
Look up Should the US Congress Stop funding the War in Ukraine? by Open Debate. That's the title of the 1 hour debate video and the channel is Open Debate. I hope that helps.
ua-cam.com/video/rdtCyiKHtqE/v-deo.html
Thank you
The link to the full debate is in the clip description: ua-cam.com/video/rdtCyiKHtqE/v-deo.html
Why should we sacrifice our economy ?
Who are these women?
Women don't know combat of anyform.We're not the same. Their reasoning on anything us obscured ,just emotional outbursts
I would be very relieved if most of the western political elite were at that lady’s level but not Prof. Mearsheimer’s😂😂😂😂
1. If ukraine defeated Russia on the battlefield, Russia would resort to the weaponry it has intentionally refrained from using.
2. The issue with Ukraines ability is man power. You need men to use weaponry. Ukraine simply has far less manpower than the Russians.
It is a lame excuse that Ukraone is losing the war because the US doesn't want to donate weapons that can change the battlefield. Pure madness from the two ladies.
Gets the impression that John Mearsheimer does not quite understand what he is talking about. What does the phrase “significant defeat under Bakhmut ” mean? Bakhmut is a small village, the population is 6 times smaller than Kherson, recaptured by the Ukrainian army. In that battle, the Russian army lost more people than the Soviet Union during 10 years of war in Afghanistan. In fact, today the total area (and population) of Ukrainian territory occupied by the Russians is still less than in April 2022. Where did the professor see the victory of the “second army of the world”? The issue of resources is not only a matter of population, the Russians can mobilize another million people, but the problem is that they have nothing to dress them in and nothing to arm them with, this is not a medieval war.
Who lost China? Then comparing the debates about the Korea Civil War and the Vietnam Civil War with the debates about this war, you will find that policy scholars have made many wrong judgments, because they don't confess the war is another socialism war after Communist Manifesto, so Dr. Kissinger makes the right judgment on Ukraine socialism warfare. Since the Democratic Party and the Communist Party have provoked each other and started another socialism war, we should defeat enemy quickly with all weapons, and not be afraid of the enemy's all weapons, because we have to defeat socialism parties.
LORD bless us, may LORD has mercy on us.
It's not really the number of troops but the superior tactics of the Russian armed forces
So sorry but I just see two blind and two realistic persons. I'm sure just by listening to them you know which is which.
This debate is not meaningful,Ukraine only has two options,first one is continuing fighting by exploiting all of available resources,otherwise amalgamating in federal Russia again and enduring long-time national oppression.
Those women don't know what is happening on the battlefield
Sorry to say. Just telling the lie's of the main steam media.😅
This old crone said Kherson and Kharkov? That was at the beginning of the war. LOL.
to explain to women nicely. First, the presence of the Russian army in Kharkiv and Kiev does not mean that they were occupied or captured because here there are 4 million Ukrainians in the municipality of Kyiv and Kharkiv about 2 and here Russia cannot put people in power so easily without killing 2 million and Russia will not do such a thing something because it is not doing as Israel did, so it was a fake attack to divide the Ukrainian army and it was easier to capture the Black Sea, so there is no success here from the Ukrainian side, do not rejoice, except Kherson is here and that is the only success for Ukraine. Other Russia is BRICS and BRICS is half a world economy, so don't expect Russia to collapse, and Russia's war industry and army is 10 times bigger.even if Ukraine manages to penetrate deep into Donbass, Luhansk, Zaporizhia and Crimea, it will face an Afghan war for the next 20 years because 8 million Russians or 90% live there. Do you think that Ukraine has enough strength and power for that? , the western powers are losing at the world level, the Russians are chasing them out of Africa and are losing resources, money and power, and BRICS already has a GDP 2-3 times larger than the western powers, so yes, that's it, Ukraine has no chance.
If you said, Ukraine doesn’t has enough ammunition it’s wrong because the west provided weapons to Ukraine more than Russia has.
in your dreams
This lady is warmongering
Just before the failed countre offence the Ukranian generals and Zelensky said that they had had received all the weapons they needed to retake Crimea within a few month. So what these two women said at the end of the video that it's failed because of lack of equipment is actually misleading.
Russia never said that war would take 4 days and in the initial phases of the war due to western interference in refusing negotiation, Russia did not retreat they withdrew to consolidate and built an impregnatable line , mounted an aggressive defense which has destroyed Ukraine's men and equipment! The Naval question never made any dint in Russian naval forces other than being a nuisance that had to be addressed!
I am still listening but isn't finding women to promote the war a sign of incredible concern from the lobby?
Perhaps Mearsheimer should find a women expert in Offensive and Defensive Realism or perhaps I should. He has given a tremendous amount but asking him and others to promote individual women to counter the women fronted pro war / MIC = Military Industrial Complex might help?
Shall ask AI...
When you have two military men arguing to end war and two people from a think tank preaching war go with the people with experience in war. Eisenhower once said it NATO was around for more than 50 years we didn’t do our job. Meaning within 50 years Europe would have built up a military to defend themselves without US aid
The US didnt want that because they prefer a wealthy continent totally dependent on and subervient to them.
This women is only providing talking points.
These lady’s represent all the failures over American Military Engagements for at least the last 30 odd years and going further back
Vietnam
I detest this Mearsheimer. It would be all good if he just defended his Offensive Realism thesis, as flawed as I think it is. But he takes an active role against Ukraine and that I can't forgive him.
Russia is not in good shape. Their economy is degrading every month and the only thing that went wrong for Ukraine was insufficient and inadequate support from the West:
- Support comes slowly and with restrictions
- Pressured to take a quick win results in a disastrous summer offensive with no air support (even if it had I would not have supported it)
- Then months without getting even some ammo.
If they get what they need, maybe Ukraine can't get a win, but they can certainly prevent Putin from getting his win and that is a lot.
The West does not owe Ukraine anything. Neither equipment, funds, policy or anything else. Mearsheimer doesnt pick sides he reports facts. To say that reporting those facts is to "take an active role against Ukraine" we by like saying that people who reported on Stalin's purges were helping Germany. Absurd.
@@codyvandal2860 Using an example of the Soviet purges against Mearsheimer's creative "facts" is reaching another level of actual absurdity. I suspect you had to put that example in there to pretend that you are not pro Putin.
Mearsheimer does not report any facts, everything he claims needs to get forcibly squeezed in order to fit his "theory", which is no more than a thesis and not even a particularly brilliant one.
The West really owes Ukraine. Certainly Europe. Things would get very ugly if Vova Putin could somehow achieve a victory in Ukraine.
@@dinismantas7265 This is precisely the problem. Reporting facts about Stalin's crimes does not make one Pro-Hitler.
The catastrophic Ukrainian losses *are* facts. As are the continual claims that without Western assistance they will lose. The West does not owe them anything.
@@dinismantas7265 This is precisely the problem. Reporting facts about Stalin's crimes does not make one Pro-Austrian Painter.
The catastrophic Ukrainian losses *are* facts. As are the continual claims that without Western assistance they will lose. The West does not owe them anything.
@@dinismantas7265 This is precisely the problem. Reporting facts about Stalin's crimes does not make one Pro-Painter.
The catastrophic losses *are* facts.