Also SIGNIFICANTLY higher stats. You'll be shooting from further away while having a much easier time landing shots because of the high stability. Downside to Battler is no heal clip
Im actually excited to enhance my keep away tremors battle scar and another good lightweight, the chattering bone will be a monster when you get kill clip rolling with tremors after the buffs
I have a crafted adhortative but I really want to get a good Darkest Before simply because it doesn’t look like it was shit on with leaves smeared on afterward.
My absolute biggest gripe with adhortative... lol and especially those white tubes that no matter what coat of paint you put in the weapon they always stay white.
Only issue I have with Darkest Before is the reload speed if you are trying to proc Heal Clip in a pinch. It's like 2.1 seconds on a partially full mag without a reload speed masterwork or flared magwell. It can only get up to 1.72 seconds with both Flared and Reload MW (my roll doesn't have either, so stuck on 2.1 seconds...) Adhortative is a 1.66 seconds with both, craftable, and has an amazing pve perk (Nano Munitions). I've got over 10k kills on my Heliocentric as well, but unfortunately it's really short range. It's the weapon I've been using for every solar build though because of the fast reload at 1.48 seconds with just a Reload MW (1.34 seconds including Flared Magwell but I don't have that roll 😢) I'll be sticking with Adhortative unless Rapids get more stats, or I can find a better heal clip incan weapon in TFS.
@@itznovacaine4565 I wouldn't say it's op, as you want Flared Magwell or Light Mag for faster reloads period. The reason Alloy mag doesn't work as well is you'll want to reload in a pinch when you get a kill, if you're low health, to proc that Heal Clip. Normally, that would mean you don't finish your whole entire mag exactly, so you're not really getting any benefits to the Alloy Mag. It isn't bad though, keep it until you get a better one!
Just realized I tossed this exact roll on a jurassic green in my vault for a rainy day, and it even has the field tested origin trait. Looks like I did myself a favor with that one. Shame that I don't think jursssic made the cut for enhabcable perks though, unfortunately
This is the last weekend for Igneous Hammer... I'm gonna spend my time doing that. BxR and Luna's Howl will be good enough, and let's be honest, we're just gonna be using Sunshot if we need solar add clear primaries anyway.
@@Avixy It was in the TWID a few weeks ago. Last weekend was final Messenger, this weekend is final Igneous Hammer. They always put a notice towards the end of the season when weapons are leaving rotations for Nightfall, Trials, and Iron Banner.
@@Narfwak i keep up with twids i don’t recall them saying this do you know which one it was? I’ll take a look to see if i can find it (edit) you’re right it i found it i must’ve overlooked it
Scorch damage is affected by buffs to the damage source but not the base damage of the damage source, except by damage type (confusing, I know). All of which is to say, scorch damage shouldn’t change from these buffs, as the base damage is changing, it’s not applying a buff, and it’ll still be primary weapon damage.
There are 3 armor pieces and 2 weapons in the loot pool at the boss. You have a 1 in 5 chance of getting the gun. There are 6 different perks in each of the 2 columns that matter. 5*6*6=180. You have a 1 in 180 chance of getting a good roll per attempt. Another way of putting that is that you have a 99.4% chance of NOT getting it each run. 99.4^125= 50%, so to have a 50% chance you'd need 125 runs. At 2 min per run (this is extremely generous) it would take 4 hours, just to give yourself 50/50 odds. Probably more like 8 hours because 3 min+1 min to reload in is more realistic. To give yourself a 75% chance you'd need to do 250 runs. And you'd still have a 25% chance of NOT getting it lol. Or you could just craft the one at riven and do slightly less damage but be done right now. Just saying...
i wanna see an outbreak video now that rewind bumps its performance so much. optimal dps environment and 'meta' strats for outbreak if you actually go for it
BXR for demo/incan and Adhortative for healclip/incan, i’ve done enough prophecy to warrant not wanting to grind it again for a slight increase, plus adhorative’s origin trait combos with the benevolence/healclip
1 for all is a nasty perk. Especially with a fast firing pulse. 3 shots on 3 targets gives you 35% damage buff for 10 dlseconds? Thats a huge damage buff, without even having g to get a kill.
Can you just grab a checkpoint or does Prophecy still have that thing where some stuff only drops from the boss if you've cleared the earlier encounters?
Darkness Before is good. But BXR and Adhortative being easily craftable and using the same element type just means there is less reason to grind Darkness till your eyes bleed. I can live with them being slightly inferior (obviously looks).
Got a Darkest Before with Heal Clip + Surplus. Missing incan seems bad, but surplus will super charge the handling and reload to 100 each if i keep abilities. Plus not a bad roll for both PVE + PVP
thank you, this was a superb, very informative video. Question: wouldn't backup mag be a bad choice when using reload perks like heal clip? if emptying the mag is the goal to take advantage of healclip + the scalar, I'd imagine any other mod would be better, maybe counterbalance.
Landed one in like under 20 runs, Heal, Incan, Flared Mag, Poly/Extended Barrel, Stability MW. Not 5/5 but mooooore than good enough. Bring on Final Shape!
sure, adhortative is a little worse, but it has better base reload and handling stats and is craftable. On the other hand, farming dungeon weapons is horrible. So the question is, is it worth spending so much time chasing a dungeon drop, when there is an alternative not much worse? It is a different story for boss DPS weapons (e.g. edge transit), but IMO for primaries it doesn't matter that much. Also, incandescent is overrated.
I solo'd and got Wellspring + Incandescent on the first run, and...yeah, with all the other weapons I have to try to farm for (e.g. heal clip + incandescent Luna's), I think I'm opting out lol. Not a long dungeon even as a solo player, though.
Why do you think the results of your testing are different from the charts posted by MossyMax? Specifically SMG being best vs bosses, Mossy's charts show that HCs are much better than SMGs
I’ve been loving the content, really have. The title of this video does not settle well with me. Creating FOMO, why? The weapon is not going anywhere. That all, love your info!
Any thoughts on blunt execution rounds on BXR? I like to use it as a mini pocket shotgun, but it also works with ranged melees so you can also use it from a distance too.
has this pulse always been in the loot pool since the update for prophecy loot ? I swear I did Kell like 50 times last time it was DOTW and I never got one dropped tf lol
If you kept a jurrassic green from this past halloween event, it gets field tested, and has the same perks. Pretty solid with arrowhead. Been using it when I wanted to use a pulse this season. Probably grab a voltshot oversoul edict as well, if you haven't already.
Farming a whole dungeon is crazy but I just beat this with one other person without any of the weapons mentioned or celestial nighthawk. Didn’t even think to use the golden gun
I was working on my solo run of this yesterday and if you walk off the platforms in the echo fight before jumping to the next it will instakill you 💯 I had to get off the game because I had gotten the boss down to nothing and it tp me, while I was running to get his ass I just randomly died at full health so that was fun
Genuinely excited to see how Chattering Bone performs with kinetic tremors once this patch hits! By far my favourite legendary pulse. Will certainly be looking to try it potentially in combination with Prismatic for that easy transcendence.
I mamaged to get an elemental capacitor + incan roll whilst running the other week and since I'm always gonna use it on solar it has 100 reload so that'll do!
Got a role with elemental capacitor & one for all and it's so good. It reloads super fast on solar and with one for all it shreds ads can't imagine what it'll be like with a 38% buff
Bungie mentioned some changes to weapon mods coming, and we already know the spec mods are being removed, so it makes me think they might be giving us more or changing the current ones to make up for it.
Dads rejoice. And Curex2 or Curex1 and Ember of Benevolence is the real deal, gets you back to pre-Ability Nerf meta, you just have to build into it (probably the intention all along)
Bxr battle rifle just feels too good, is craftable with enhanced perks, has a decent origin trait, and has that unique reticle to die for
100% agree
U get to upgrade this final shape and the other weapons
Heal Clip
Also SIGNIFICANTLY higher stats. You'll be shooting from further away while having a much easier time landing shots because of the high stability.
Downside to Battler is no heal clip
@@jonahbrown5669 true, but enhanced demo is crazy too. I’ve been craving a demo/incan HC all season
I’ll just use Adhortative or Battler. I’m tired of farming from Onslaught and Warlord’s Ruin.
Battler with demo + incandescent feels really good.
Im actually excited to enhance my keep away tremors battle scar and another good lightweight, the chattering bone will be a monster when you get kill clip rolling with tremors after the buffs
@@louiejackson2312 I have battle scar too. Pays off to save good roles of underperforming weapons. You never know when a buff is coming.
@@louiejackson2312oh yea
I have a crafted adhortative but I really want to get a good Darkest Before simply because it doesn’t look like it was shit on with leaves smeared on afterward.
My absolute biggest gripe with adhortative... lol and especially those white tubes that no matter what coat of paint you put in the weapon they always stay white.
Yep that and subjunctive
@@OverlordSpartan Yep, thankfully the IKELOS smg exists for that one
@@OverlordSpartanexactly lol I wanna use it and know it's good but it's so damn ugly
I just wear the vex warlock armour from the first time they came round and become a true tree vex
make a video comparing 6x touch of malice vs 6x outbreak with rewind rounds
Pls ❤
Lol i literally came here to tell him "please" @coma594
I second this
I’m not going to use an exotic pulse rifle and use up my exotic spot.
Extended mag
4:46 Clearly the winner is sweaty confetti
Ha, love that mod! 🎉
Only issue I have with Darkest Before is the reload speed if you are trying to proc Heal Clip in a pinch. It's like 2.1 seconds on a partially full mag without a reload speed masterwork or flared magwell. It can only get up to 1.72 seconds with both Flared and Reload MW (my roll doesn't have either, so stuck on 2.1 seconds...) Adhortative is a 1.66 seconds with both, craftable, and has an amazing pve perk (Nano Munitions).
I've got over 10k kills on my Heliocentric as well, but unfortunately it's really short range. It's the weapon I've been using for every solar build though because of the fast reload at 1.48 seconds with just a Reload MW (1.34 seconds including Flared Magwell but I don't have that roll 😢)
I'll be sticking with Adhortative unless Rapids get more stats, or I can find a better heal clip incan weapon in TFS.
Yeah, i'd rather farm the brave weapons and stick to my adhortative.
Ah a fellow heliocentric user (13k kills here) and mine isn't perfect either
My darkest before has Heal Clip and Incandescent with fluted barrel and light mag so it’s reload is decent at 48 and handling is 45.
I got a darkest with heal and kill clip and alloy magazine (faster reloads on empty mag) is thos op?
@@itznovacaine4565 I wouldn't say it's op, as you want Flared Magwell or Light Mag for faster reloads period. The reason Alloy mag doesn't work as well is you'll want to reload in a pinch when you get a kill, if you're low health, to proc that Heal Clip. Normally, that would mean you don't finish your whole entire mag exactly, so you're not really getting any benefits to the Alloy Mag.
It isn't bad though, keep it until you get a better one!
Just realized I tossed this exact roll on a jurassic green in my vault for a rainy day, and it even has the field tested origin trait. Looks like I did myself a favor with that one. Shame that I don't think jursssic made the cut for enhabcable perks though, unfortunately
I have one but the origin trait sucks
This is the last weekend for Igneous Hammer... I'm gonna spend my time doing that. BxR and Luna's Howl will be good enough, and let's be honest, we're just gonna be using Sunshot if we need solar add clear primaries anyway.
this is the correct take
how do you know its gonna be igneous this weekend?
@@Avixy It was in the TWID a few weeks ago. Last weekend was final Messenger, this weekend is final Igneous Hammer. They always put a notice towards the end of the season when weapons are leaving rotations for Nightfall, Trials, and Iron Banner.
@@Narfwak i keep up with twids i don’t recall them saying this do you know which one it was? I’ll take a look to see if i can find it (edit) you’re right it i found it i must’ve overlooked it
@@Avixy so its igneous and the other week? Also if you can link that twab please
Bxr has demo incan + the fram is not bad
Frame is better
@@thegregster3808 less damage but +20 MOB is good
@@thegregster3808the damage is so similar its pretty much just personal preference. they will both be very strong
@@thegregster3808frame isn’t worth the grind.
it is craftable, easier to obtain and has demo.
just use adhortative imo, no worth the time spent farming darkest before lol, not to say there would be more stronger weapons in final shape anyway😂
Scorch damage is affected by buffs to the damage source but not the base damage of the damage source, except by damage type (confusing, I know). All of which is to say, scorch damage shouldn’t change from these buffs, as the base damage is changing, it’s not applying a buff, and it’ll still be primary weapon damage.
Good to know, thank you!
Mr. Llama thanks for the video but i'll craft the BxR cuz demo and incan is very powerful too :)
You should make a entire outbreak video plus you haven't tested RR on outbreak with 6 people at once
Yesssss, please make a video about Outbreak Perfected + Rewind Rounds!!!!!!!
I guess already have the 5 out of 5 God Roll Darkest Before. Fluted Barrel (45 Handling) and Flaged Maxwell (48 Reload) with Heal Clip Incandescent.
ah yes more hoomework assigned to me i definitely want to play the game now
"JUICE" lmao. COOKING Kell Echo never gets old.
There are 3 armor pieces and 2 weapons in the loot pool at the boss. You have a 1 in 5 chance of getting the gun. There are 6 different perks in each of the 2 columns that matter. 5*6*6=180. You have a 1 in 180 chance of getting a good roll per attempt. Another way of putting that is that you have a 99.4% chance of NOT getting it each run. 99.4^125= 50%, so to have a 50% chance you'd need 125 runs. At 2 min per run (this is extremely generous) it would take 4 hours, just to give yourself 50/50 odds. Probably more like 8 hours because 3 min+1 min to reload in is more realistic. To give yourself a 75% chance you'd need to do 250 runs. And you'd still have a 25% chance of NOT getting it lol. Or you could just craft the one at riven and do slightly less damage but be done right now. Just saying...
lol I've done 250 runs and haven't gotten it so I'm thinking of giving up
Really good info about the primary damage! Can you do more of that?
i wanna see an outbreak video now that rewind bumps its performance so much. optimal dps environment and 'meta' strats for outbreak if you actually go for it
Hmm I actually have this in my vault 😂had no idea it’s gonna be so good
PLEASE 6x Outbreak Rewind rounds + Extended mag for the max damage!
If you were lucky to have Jurrasic Green, it has the same perk combo on a rapid frame.
I have it, 37 range and 40 reload, nice to see it's the most powerful type!
Man, do I wish to have a fireteam this good... Welp, more solo dungeons to come
you can always lfg
We have fireteam finder literally in game now
This dungeon is so easy. I can beat it entirely in 15 minutes.
@@chinochimp Tbh lfg's has been so negative for me that I haven't tried it in a long time
@@DanDanReallfg isn’t even that bad you might get some sour apple but majority of the time it’s really chill folks who just want to get it done
Please do another video with outbreak, I’d love to see how much more damage it does when the whole fireteam is stacking manures on the boss
I dont have to grind i kept a jurassic green suck my healclip incandecent
130 prophecy clears and no incan heal clip, fuck me
BXR for demo/incan and Adhortative for healclip/incan, i’ve done enough prophecy to warrant not wanting to grind it again for a slight increase, plus adhorative’s origin trait combos with the benevolence/healclip
very glad i kept a heal clip + incandescent roll with alloy mag, ty for the info friend 💙
You’re a lucky bastard, Heli!
Checked my vault out of curiosity… saw heal clip/one for all. Got so excited for a second, so damn close 😢
1 for all is a nasty perk. Especially with a fast firing pulse. 3 shots on 3 targets gives you 35% damage buff for 10 dlseconds? Thats a huge damage buff, without even having g to get a kill.
I kept a heal clip/one for all, flared magwell, reload mw. thing is juiced
Is darkest before outclassed by nullify now?
Personal preference tbh
Yes it is. 2 round bust are way higher damage
I’m just gonna use Br or adhorative with Incan
Can you just grab a checkpoint or does Prophecy still have that thing where some stuff only drops from the boss if you've cleared the earlier encounters?
Pretty sure that's fixed now
@@LlamaD2 Rockin, thanks
Darkness Before is good.
But BXR and Adhortative being easily craftable and using the same element type just means there is less reason to grind Darkness till your eyes bleed.
I can live with them being slightly inferior (obviously looks).
Wait why did he swap to knucklehead radar when he popped golden gun?
Gives a stacking debuff the lower the boss' health gets
Got a Darkest Before with Heal Clip + Surplus. Missing incan seems bad, but surplus will super charge the handling and reload to 100 each if i keep abilities.
Plus not a bad roll for both PVE + PVP
I have both god roll Incandescent with subsistence and Heal Clip but I love the perk Surplus. It makes every weapon feel Godly.
what is 5x outbreak with rewind rounds compared to ur tests before? I want to know if it will beat out final warning
My jurassic green w incandescent and subsistence is gonna be cooking
glad i saved Mine too.
Truth, I just wish that gun had more than 4 collective stat points lmao
Yeah that stat package is awful though
@@DJET723 it is, but when incandescent stacks with field tested, it quickly stops being awful
@@kheprishornuser2423 I might be out of the loop but which version of Jurassic green has field tested? I can’t remember
back to Prophecy jail :(
I’m gonna go with BXR because of how awfully the prophecy guns take shaders
D2 players when they take a worse gun bc they prefer cosmetics🤬
@@blumpkanYes.
@@blumpkan the way the gun looks is 50% the reason to use it
Cinderchar looks good
@@blumpkan how is it worse?
thank you, this was a superb, very informative video.
Question: wouldn't backup mag be a bad choice when using reload perks like heal clip? if emptying the mag is the goal to take advantage of healclip + the scalar, I'd imagine any other mod would be better, maybe counterbalance.
Yeah it's really up to you tbh
How that pulse rifle grenade launcher and that sword has anti-barrier rounds?
Being Radiant gives your weapons intrinsic Anti-Barrier.
@@LlamaD2 ahh thanks a lot.
Landed one in like under 20 runs, Heal, Incan, Flared Mag, Poly/Extended Barrel, Stability MW. Not 5/5 but mooooore than good enough. Bring on Final Shape!
Iv been farming this gun for 3 days and still haven’t gotten it to drop my buddy joined me and got the roll in his first game =_=
sure, adhortative is a little worse, but it has better base reload and handling stats and is craftable. On the other hand, farming dungeon weapons is horrible. So the question is, is it worth spending so much time chasing a dungeon drop, when there is an alternative not much worse? It is a different story for boss DPS weapons (e.g. edge transit), but IMO for primaries it doesn't matter that much.
Also, incandescent is overrated.
The only reason im not picking up darkest before is cuz i was lucky enough to get my 5/5 heliocentric. AND ITS GETTING BUFFED.
I solo'd and got Wellspring + Incandescent on the first run, and...yeah, with all the other weapons I have to try to farm for (e.g. heal clip + incandescent Luna's), I think I'm opting out lol. Not a long dungeon even as a solo player, though.
hope you factored in the kinetic buff for primaries which is 10% dmg, seeing as you used the new Blast Furnace
It didn't make it into the vid but I used Insidious for the 4 burst frame, so no need :)
Why do you think the results of your testing are different from the charts posted by MossyMax? Specifically SMG being best vs bosses, Mossy's charts show that HCs are much better than SMGs
I’ve been loving the content, really have. The title of this video does not settle well with me. Creating FOMO, why? The weapon is not going anywhere. That all, love your info!
I have a jurassic green with subsistence + incandecent. I just did prophecy yesterday and deleted the darkest before with incandecent 🤦🏻♂️
Excuse me while I punch air thinking I was good with Adhorative. At least Darkest Before is an old favorite of mine.
If I’m looking for incandescent subsistence, I’m going Jurassic Green. Dinosaurs, enough said.
280 clears later I finally got the heal clip Incan roll after 3 days of grinding
I can't even get a Luna to drop with HC/INC after attuned farming for a month. I will never get this thing.
Its going to be a sword and void season by the looks of it. Bungie just leaked final shape meta accidentally 🤣
Meta? Laughs in Blast Furnace with Kinetic Tremors and Frenzy/OFA
I had both and ya one 4 all is sick on it, but i kept the frenzy one due to the reload and handling. thing cooks right now
Any thoughts on blunt execution rounds on BXR? I like to use it as a mini pocket shotgun, but it also works with ranged melees so you can also use it from a distance too.
It’s a pretty niche option so most people prefer the consistency of incandescent, but if it works for you then go for it
Kinda sick with enhanced pugilist too. I can see it working for major heavy encounters or as the start of an izi bait rotation
If you cant get this weapon you can craft adhorative, has the same perks and its pretty good.
i have jurassic green with heal clip and incandescent from last halloween, works the same
Separate video on outbreak entirely pretty please 👍
why would i farm for these, when red death is coming out.. im just gonna use that lol.
The darkest before and outbreak aren't leaving and u will be able to farm them in the final shape
Nah, next season exotic is the crimson pulse rifle and its sound's awesome.
saw my fav pulse, not watching the rest, im taking my chances to farm this NOW
Thanks for the craftable alternative suggestion!
its a good weapon with good perks but its just in a encounter that sucks to farm fast
Why did you swap to knucklehead radar at 6:35?
Gives a stacking debuff on the boss that only gets higher the lower his health gets.
@@LlamaD2 wow didn’t know that! Thanks for the info
Pulse rifles are not gonna be meta lol, hand cannons will always be meta.
actually its bxr
Sure buddy!
has this pulse always been in the loot pool since the update for prophecy loot ? I swear I did Kell like 50 times last time it was DOTW and I never got one dropped tf lol
Yeah it has but the drop rates are abysmal. I did one time 30 runs in a row without getting a single pulse...
What does the knucklehead radar do when swapping off celestial?
Gives a stacking debuff that increases the lower the health of the boss gets.
If i remember crota have a pulse rifle and can have voltshot right? I don't remember if we have good void and arc options
Yeah the Crota one get's demo voltshot which is actually gonna be pretty nice, I'll prob make a vid on it soon!
It's not 38 percent since we're losing the dmg mods.
heal clip + incan is also insane because if you run ember of benevolence and ember of singeing you have crazy ability uptime on any class.
If you kept a jurrassic green from this past halloween event, it gets field tested, and has the same perks. Pretty solid with arrowhead. Been using it when I wanted to use a pulse this season. Probably grab a voltshot oversoul edict as well, if you haven't already.
Honestly I hope summoner is better than darkest before
Knucklehead dps meta⁉️
Darkest before is just Adhortative but rapid fire frame
Farming a whole dungeon is crazy but I just beat this with one other person without any of the weapons mentioned or celestial nighthawk. Didn’t even think to use the golden gun
I was working on my solo run of this yesterday and if you walk off the platforms in the echo fight before jumping to the next it will instakill you 💯 I had to get off the game because I had gotten the boss down to nothing and it tp me, while I was running to get his ass I just randomly died at full health so that was fun
you should test 6 outbreaks at once
Genuinely excited to see how Chattering Bone performs with kinetic tremors once this patch hits! By far my favourite legendary pulse.
Will certainly be looking to try it potentially in combination with Prismatic for that easy transcendence.
6:44 Can you tell me what Sniper that is, please?
I have a wellspring / incandescent roll of darkest before and it’s insane. Wellspring plays big into the melee radiant build for warlock
I have a Jurassic green 540rpm pulse rifle (festival of the lost weapon) with subsistence and frenzy. Can’t wait to use that.
What’s the shader on the darkest before at the start please?
Bloody Tooth
I mamaged to get an elemental capacitor + incan roll whilst running the other week and since I'm always gonna use it on solar it has 100 reload so that'll do!
Got a role with elemental capacitor & one for all and it's so good. It reloads super fast on solar and with one for all it shreds ads can't imagine what it'll be like with a 38% buff
I don't even know to move past level 1751 😑
Kell Echo aint deserve that disrespect 🙏😭
Just got a darkest before with heal clip and kill clip is that good?
Not bad but not the best
Could you do a sidearm damage test? I love heliocentric (13k kills)
What shader is he using for darkest before?
Bungie mentioned some changes to weapon mods coming, and we already know the spec mods are being removed, so it makes me think they might be giving us more or changing the current ones to make up for it.
i dont see pulses overtaking hand cannons tbh. explosive payload is just too good with incandescent
What rocket were you using in the Kell Echo clip?
I was on Gjallahorn and my teammates were on Apex Predator
Right, I didn't even recognise Gjallarhorn there for some reason but cheers!
Dads rejoice. And Curex2 or Curex1 and Ember of Benevolence is the real deal, gets you back to pre-Ability Nerf meta, you just have to build into it (probably the intention all along)
Ya seen this coming trying your lmg today bud lets hope theres people in it
Hey man, can you do a review of the builds/loadouts you use?
Id like to know.