Cohh @ 2:21:00 comparing Rogue Trader to BG3: "BG3 feels a little basic in some ways..." Yeah man. That's just 5th Edition D&D. Compared to systems like Pathfinder or Rogue Trader, 5e is like bowling with bumpers on. The fact that BG3 feels as deep and fun as it does is a credit to Larian and how they adapted 5e for their game.
Cohh doesn't know what he's talking about if he thought rogue trader was ever balanced but it sounds like the devs heavily modified rogue trader anyways to forcibly balance it
@@TheDoctor4221 BG3 is basic in that if you know some basics of 5E, you can build your team and whatever you build can go through the game on the highest difficulty without issues, Pathfinder and Rogue Trader, you need actual builds, because there is so much more mechanics in what does what that you need to read everything to even get an understanding. Both Great games. But one is definitely more basic than the other, again not a negative, both can be a positive. BG3 to me is better because it makes it accessible for everyone, Rogue Trader to me is better because it makes me think about every upgrade. So if you like CRPG, play both, they all add something the other doesn't.
i mean...is it "complex" if there are a bunch of skills that say "skill you just picked now costs one ap less"...not really imo...so can basically cut down the skills available in rogue trader in half already
@@DzekoVelez I get combining some the of the categories if it’s the same winner for all of them, so the same game doesn’t keep coming up, but when they do, give them time.
@@brilobox2 Yea the allowing Chris Judge the previous year to talk for so long is what I assume made them want to force speeches to be faster, but there definitely could've been more time given to the winners to speak, just be reasonable about it. Hell, all award shows need to just like have a text segment for the nominees to fill out for who they want to thank instead of having to thank 1 billion people during their speech and actually say something more poignant. Then they can just roll credits basically as they're walking off stage for the people who they wanted to thank.
@BOchamp01 do the Oscar’s have trailers for up coming films at their awards? They need to cut down on the reveals and leave that to the developers or E3 to put on their showcases.
The CoD devs responding negatively to Christopher Judge is the perfect example of being handed an easy W and turning it into a massive L. All they had to do was join in on the joke and poke a little bit of fun at themselves over a fairly innocuous criticism which happens to be 100% true. It would have cost them nothing and garnered them at least some amount of public praise.
Redfall was in development before the Acquisition, zenimax were the ones who refused to let it be canceled, Arkane didn't want to make it, and the final product showed that.
It was released after Xbox has taken over. Phil Spencer was bigging it up. The reality is that Xbox releases a dogshit game on purpose to try to recoup some of the losses. They could have cancelled it or delayed it and got it turned into a decent game but they didn't
Different company tbh (Arkane Lyon, even though the founder relocated from France to Austin and then left the company in 2017), plus (reportedly) like 70% of Arkane Austin had left the company in between Redfall and when they were assigned to help with the shit show known as Fallout 76. Redfall was made by a nearly completely different company, even when it comes to Arkane Austin.
Kinda wrong about the Arkane thing. Arkane Lyon still has its own independent management and operates under 'Arkane Studios SASU' as well as being a separate team/office of people, Lyon is also the original Arkane studio before 'Arkane Studios LLC' (i.e. Arkane Austin) was opened. Sure, they exist under the same umbrella of the Arkane name, but their have different direction and different management (Zenimax/Bethesda aside). If there was a hierarchy within Arkane though, Lyon would still be at the top/head of that hierarchy.
Lyon made Dishonored Series and Deathloop, Austin made Prey & Redfall. the only misstep Lyon has made made was when Zenimax had them come up with Youngblood with MachineGames. i know Deathloop is divisve, but i think Lyon hasn't made a bad game they've had total control over. i'm looking forward to Blade.
I think the broader point is, it's not like arkane Austin was a bad studio before redfall. They made prey which is arguably my favourite arkane game, poor management lead to them making a bad game not untalented developers. This isn't something Lyon separated from or immune to.
@@synthiandrakon Well, the bad management came from Arkane through the studio/game direction. As well as being told (at the time) by Zenimax to make a highly profitable game. From what it sounds, the game director(s) of Redfall at Austin had their heads in the sand with regards to its issues.
No idea why the CoD devs are offended by the campaign comment. The criticism isn't even directed at them. It's directed at the CoD management who decided to not let the devs create a big campaign this year and instead forced them to focus on the multiplayer. If I was a ground level dev who would love to create a big campaign but wasn't allowed to do so by management, then I would be totally cool with the comment that was made.
I get cohh has some reservations on arkane because of redfall, but that was a game the devs did not even want to make (and you can see it). The dev that was up the stage was super excited to work on Blade. Very different situations.
What they could do, if they didn't want to make any changes, is to just change the name of the show. Games Show, Game Announcements..... so if the awards are not gonna be the prominent most important part (which they should on Game AWARDS) just dont let the audience expect an awards show then. Market it differently. I mean then it's not a "cool show" anymore, but they made it happen this way.
Even in retail WoW there was an expectation to link completion achievements before getting invited to public raids. WoW players are (were? Been a decade or so) notorious about optimizing groups even without the HC pressure.
"Three idiots trying to be swat members" Reminds me when I stumbled into one of the old Rainbow Six games thinking it was an FPS. It did not go well lol.
this is probably because I don't use social media, but the only time I hear about GTA6 being "woke" are from 3rd party people talking about how there are people calling GTA6 "woke" I think the closest I got to hearing someone talking about GTA6 was a 'yep, that's Florida for ya' and commenting that they hope Rockstar continues with the GTA trend of everything is fair game for mockery.
At this point I've accepted that it's turned more into an alternate E3 than a full awards show, but I really wish there was an orchestral medley for the Soundtrack nominees. Music is incredibly important to the gaming experience and having it relegated to one of the snub categories really disappointed me as a musician. If there's time for promotional performances and giving devs so much time on stage to talk about games that won't be coming out for 2+ years then Geoff can squeeze in 5 mins to celebrate such an important part of the medium. Also well-deserved sweep from BG3 (and AW2's strong performance as well), personally I wanted Ben Starr to win performance but if it couldn't be him then Neil is an excellent pick instead.
I've seen the game awards as a replacement for E3 for a few years now. E3 is basically dead and summer games fest doesn't really replace it since it's so spread out. They should call it "a games celebration" or something since they rush past so many of the awards as if it where a side thing they only do because they have to.
same. i've grown accustomed to watching DICE & BAFTA awards to see devs, artists & musicians actually have a night to celebrate their work. each year. as fun as the reveals are, the TGA's seems more and more crass.
Those comments from people defending The Day Before's 'potential' did not age so well since the Studio announced they are closing down the day after this podcast was recorded. Omega yikes.
What Cohh described happening to Hardcore wow when SoD came out is what's killed my personal interest in Classic. It seems like the model is seasonal, but in a way that segments the population in a weird way. (Unlike seasons in PoE, which forces people to all restart at the same time). Whereas retail has a seasonal feel with patch updates bringing people back in waves but fundamentally everyone's character/server/progress stays in the same place.
About Blade - I think we're forgetting one thing. According to rumors, Redfall wouldn't even get made. Developers weren't "feeling it", many thought it's a bad idea to make this game, but Microsoft wanted a big exclusive and "game as a service". So I think we really can think of Redfall as one mistake in Arkane's history.
it was Zenimax that wanted a GAAS, just unfortunate for for XBOX that it launched after the Aquisition and Matt Booty failed in his management to see how bad the game was as he was overseeing the bethesda sub studios.
Microsoft never told them to make it, zenimax did as before the aquisition zenimax had been having financial issues and ordered things such as fallout 76 and even wolfenstein youngblood
I 100% agree with cohh in regards to the TGA Show: - Amount of ads was fine! And I'm rather critical of the amount of ads, generally speaking. - length of the show was good! Could stretch a bit longer if necessary, but if possible, stick with this. - the additional segments like Heilung and the orchestra are worth keeping. Just don't overdo it with them. Intermezzo yes, but don't distract from the original purpose. Which brings me to: - hand out the frickin awards on stage and let them talk! Don't cut them off so aggressively. Ofc, moderate it, so it doesn't stretch for 15min each. But either an award needs it be cut bcs it's irrelevant or it's worth being on stage. ESPECIALLY indie game of the year wtf. Give them their once in a lifetime stage. - if anything, cut down on the trailers. They were good! And I enjoyed them, but if you need the time for the awards, and can't cut more typical ads, then omit a trailer or two. You have SGF for that.
I will say 40k delay could now be because they got more funding due to a tie into the up coming movie in some way which could be a good thing for EVERYONE involved.
The thing with Judge's comment about CoD being short isn't pointing out any major issue. The major issue was that the campaign was bad and he didn't mention anything about how God of War wins game of the year where CoD never will.
The people that got to talk without being played off were those that were presenting awards. They played off everyone else unless they left early. Of course Jeff also got left alone which is not a surprise. I do with everyone got a chance to get their award live. As others have said it may be the only chance they get at such an award so it should be a special moment for them.
It sucks because before redfall arkane Austin was making great games, it was poor management and the big publishers demand for lige service games which destroyed them. The idea that lyon is immune to all that is copium. Its not like lyon has been on its A game
Liked the game of the year of awards enough with the live performances, but definitely agree acceptance speeches need so much more time per award, with the presenters having less time to present it. Only other thing I'd change is them leaning into gaming industry directors, actors, developers or studios to announce the awards instead of hollywood actors. Feels like they are ashamed sometimes to rely on the faces and names of the gaming industry alone to bring the crowd and need to stuff it with actors to get more viewers. Like having the creators of past game of the years to announce future ones would be dope. Overall respect the goals of the awards and Keighley so always wish em well on future years.
I get that he pays for the show so it needs to have enough advertising to keep the lights on and make a profit but.... Rushing the Game of the Year winner off the stage was a bit of an embarrassment. Also having some pretty major awards get glossed over was wrong. RPG of the year? Start the dang show at 6. Make it 4 hours. Whatever he needs to do to have every major award have time to say all of their thank yous. Keighley needs to remember what happened to E3. People can turn on you real fast.
One thing I will say it's easy to forget but back in the day twitch used too strict when it came to policing what women wear. Back in the day plenty of normal women streamers, playing games would get banned for ridiculous things. So I don't know if I prefer that
I thought they would have said something about the people salty over Spider-Man 2 not winning, but it's not really news to most people so I can see why they didn't.
the thing about BG3, as someone described it somewhere, is not really cinematics/voiced and mocaped, but that in attempt to create DnD based game they created an immersive sim for a cRPG fan, any Owlcat game, even Pathfinder games, are deeper as cRPGs in comparison BG3, which is still a complex cRPG for general audience (or for newish one), but normal (not basic really, but normal) for hardcore cRPG audience (mainly because it is based on 5e, which is intended to be "basic", for "general" audience, for which it beyond complex btw, for that broader audience, that would never otherwise play any cRPG because of complexity, which is proven fact, they don't). I absolutely adore uber-complex cRPG, spreadsheet of character creator of Pathfinde that 90% of BG3 audience would probably quit or not even touch, as I will sink hundrend of hours in Rogue Trader as a hardcore cRPG with more complex systems, like nerd out more than BG3, but unique thing about BG3 is that it is an immersive sim (idk intentionally or not)
Pathfinder WoTR is good but is it extra special? Because it's Pathfinder? Please, you can play a table top session anytime for the rules. There's nothing special about a game incorporating the pathfinder rules. Anyway, Pathfinder is not complicated, there's just a lot of feats, classes etc. Any RPG player gets this system easily.
A female lead in GTA is probably necessary after what they did in GTA V. Rockstar has had likeable female characters in past GTAs, but in 5 every female is crafted specifically to be ridiculed or hated. Not a single redeeming or respectable quality in GTA V's women. The one that comes across the best is the female hacker you can hire to be part of your heist crew. But she also has such a small role an so few lines that she's almost nonexistent.
With all due respect to those CoD devs, I find it hilarious the people running a studio that churns out nothing but violent war propaganda are clutching their pearls over a harmless throwaway joke regarding a commercial product. Nothing against these devs personally but that reaction seems beyond tone deaf to me
It feels like sega has found its footing as a AA publisher. Things like Yakuza and persona aren't breaking any revords but they have decicated fanbases who will come out and buy the games each time. The announcement this time feels like sega realising that they can just make games in these franchises and as long as enough fans buy they don't have to individually be the hugest games ever
I don't get the opening joke... men are allowed to be completely topless on Twitch. There's a Twitch Partnered streamer that streams every day with no shirt on, he's fully visible from the waist up.
TBH, TGS 2023 is Hella of A Great "Show", all the performance and trailers, if you don't consider the "Award" part. But the "Award" part feels really bad. Edit: Lol, typed "TGS" instead of "TGA", fuhrer indicate I view it as a Show than an Award XD
It feels like there's about a 10 hour window of played time for when you're allowed to post a negative review on a game these days. Less than 10? Too few, you clearly didn't experience enough of the game to pass judgement on it. More than 20? Too many, you clearly must have liked it to have kept playing that long. Maybe they should add a "% of game completed" to each review, so we can really narrow things down.
I remember playing pc games that were advertised on cereal boxes and enjoying them wayyy too much. Sometimes you feel you’re in the right place at the right time 😅
Geoff should just stop with TGA and retool it as just Winter gamefest and maybe just do a Game of the year award at the end of the show, than trying to be the oscars of games leave that to the D.I.C.E awards and the Bafta game awards
Ah Devon was actually topless during that stream, what a girl. She definitely came at twitch with that "ante up" attitude. People thought Amouranth was wild.
My only thing is that if they're gonna keep calling it an award show they need to actually present people with their awards rather than rattling 5 at a time off in a break between ads. I love game shows and getting to see new trailers but it's just disrespectful to claim the event is about celebrating devs/others in the gaming space and then actively try and compress that portion into as small a time as possible. Just present all the awards and let them make their speeches within reason, people will be more than happy to stick around for all the cool annoucements (though please I beg less cringey celebrity monologues my lord was that painful)
In what way? BG3's level up system was very basic for the CRPG genre with very little customization. Inventory management was a mess especially by act 3 when you have an assortment of items that could be useful but the game doesn't mark every important item as a quest item, also it marks some junk items as quest items even though they never have a use. Atleast 10 hours of my playthrough must have been spent shifting items between characters or scrolling through a hoard of items looking for the one specific item I need at that moment. Also, yes its fully voice acted but the dialogue suffered for it, many times you might have 3 or 4 dialogue options but any option you pick will get the exact same response or the whole conversation will just loop around on itself reusing voice lines. Also the game falls off a cliff after act 2, act 3 isn't just a drop in quality its actually unfinished, there are many bugs and unfinished questlines. I had characters telling me off for things I never did or they would talk about events that never happened, like when Gale randomly decided he was in a deep romance with me or when Gales wizard friend appeared in camp and didn't leave for the rest of the game just saying something like "shh she's coming" every time i talked to him etc just so much wacky stuff. BG3 is still a great game despite these flaws but Rogue Trader from what I've played so far is just as good.
@@tonyjpotts The level up system in BG3 is honestly really really bad, no way to see what you get at X level of Y class. Can't rely on 5E rulebook either, because they made changes to the ruleset. Sure now you have up to date wikis to find that info, but that's still a huge no no for me, when you have to rely on 3rd party resources, to have any idea how to build your characters. The level up system of Pathfinder (and Rogue Trader) games should be a standard, in how much information you have available on what you get at what level. Even in that, I can't remember if you can see full lists of available spells and feats on any given level, but you really should be able to.
@@jepeman yeah I love having to decide my entire character from level 1? You don't even need to optimize like that in baldurs gate 3. They don't tell you cause they don't want you overwhelmed by tons of irrelevant information. By showing every level up at the start you take away all the joy of discovery in leveling up
@@tonyjpotts inventory management is equally bad in rogue trader. In bg3 they at least let you sort by rarity and can easily tell what are quest items and what aren't. Dialogue in rogue trader is so needlessly dense, without any voice acting it's more of a visual novel than a strategy game. You are likely not finished rogue trader the game is massive, but judging by owlxats other games I wouldn't be surprised if the final acts weren't equally jank.
@@passdoutcouchpotatosI mean people who are invested in character builds like this kind of system. That being said I'm level... 10? and I just pick a lot of stuff at random. Made an Operator, saw there was a skill that let me use Int for social skills (which wasn't recommended, I kind of hate the series suggesting what to pick) and I haven't optimized in any way and am doing fine on Hard difficulty. That being said I hope the discussion isn't becoming (Larian made the penultimate CRPG, I'll now get irked at any other game being considered better in different ways.) Solasta I still consider a better DnD experience mechanically, especially with Spider Climb and Fly working as intuitively as it does over BG3.
Im guessing Cohh has never payed attention to rockstar marketing in the last 15 years. They always do a reveal cinematic/story trailer first, then they do their 40 minute deep dives and thats when you see all the stuff hes asking for. You cannot say they are playing it safe, just watching a reveal trailer.
TGA's 2024: 3 hours of wall-to-wall ads, and people who registered to vote on the site just get texts every 15 mins telling them who won whatever award.
His own blood sweat and tears? He makes money from adverts. And it's called THE GAME AWARDS. I don't care about game announcements. I can watch them anywhere. And for the ppl from around the world to meet and discuss their work, that's special. I won't watch it anymore, because of the way they treat the devs and game ppl. Never again, I'm going to stick to the Golden Jiystick and smaller award ceremonies like before. Anyway, I only went to see BG3 this year Gods, capitalism...
I'm not going to, but I had the thought even before hearing zeke bring up being shushed, to clip all of the times zeke has been told to stop talking over the years into one montage. I'd end it with all the self deprecating times he says to himself he'll just shutup or times he goes incoherent. He's one of a kind, yet we all had a kid like him in school. The show wouldnt be what it is without him.
evne though peopel said well GTA 1 was hte first game that had a female protag isn't really a thing. GTA 1-2 were more of a trail and error that wasn't really part of hte series. Kind of how persona 1-2 have nothing to do with 3-4-5
For Cohh not being wowed by GTA trailer is beyond me. when it was a story trailer. This wasn't the gameplay trailer. we don't know what kind of new mechanics will be in this game.
That's why he's not wowed. The trailer was like "oh hear man and woman doing crime in Florida. It's essentially visualising everything we've already known for years at this point with nothing in terms of like new information
In fact, previous GTAs also have many mini games, even if they are less than the Yakuza series (this game is the king of side content). One possible new activity in that trailer is the Mud Run event, which is the event in Florida where people drive a car through the deep mud, sometimes westling.
I like dropped frames a lot, but man it's infuriating to see Cohh check out the moment he's not interested. I would have lost my shit if I was JP or Zeke so many times.
unfortunately he's the biggest fish (with the most unbearable fans) so jp and zeke just has to let it slide.... i wish they traded cohh for someone like rami or dan instead
Cohh is the worst part of this show. He either checks out as soon as something isn't interesting to him personally or he talks over Zeke and Zeke is already relatively quiet and defers to people talking. It's infuriating.
I mean, Zeke literally gets up and walks away from the camera the moment its not interesting to anything he does. Maybe you should just not overthink it too much, they are all great and have good chemistry.
Zeke gets up once a show to use the restroom. Cohh sits there and spaces out and doesn't contribute anything. It's a running joke for JP and Zeke to talk about something segue into something Cohh cares about and for Cohh to repeat something JP or Zeke had just said because he wasn't paying attention.
@@OldRPGGamer Asmon has better social skills than Cohh, at least. Zeke wouldn't get talked over constantly if Asmon were on. Not that I watch either Cohh's nor Asmon's content.
just stop complaining so much about the music or giving speeches for every award, first of all who cares if they play funny music, it's his show and people like it, second - many people couldn't make it for the award as it wasn't worth it to travel across the world just for a 2 minute acceptance speech that devs probably don't even like doing cuz it's uncomfortable and scripted
Cohh @ 2:21:00 comparing Rogue Trader to BG3: "BG3 feels a little basic in some ways..."
Yeah man. That's just 5th Edition D&D. Compared to systems like Pathfinder or Rogue Trader, 5e is like bowling with bumpers on. The fact that BG3 feels as deep and fun as it does is a credit to Larian and how they adapted 5e for their game.
That doesn't make it untrue.
Cohh doesn't know what he's talking about if he thought rogue trader was ever balanced but it sounds like the devs heavily modified rogue trader anyways to forcibly balance it
@@TheDoctor4221 BG3 is basic in that if you know some basics of 5E, you can build your team and whatever you build can go through the game on the highest difficulty without issues, Pathfinder and Rogue Trader, you need actual builds, because there is so much more mechanics in what does what that you need to read everything to even get an understanding.
Both Great games. But one is definitely more basic than the other, again not a negative, both can be a positive.
BG3 to me is better because it makes it accessible for everyone, Rogue Trader to me is better because it makes me think about every upgrade.
So if you like CRPG, play both, they all add something the other doesn't.
i mean...is it "complex" if there are a bunch of skills that say "skill you just picked now costs one ap less"...not really imo...so can basically cut down the skills available in rogue trader in half already
Other than the wrap it up stuff, I liked this years TGA, and wouldn’t mind a longer show to give the winners more time.
They should cut down slightly on the number of categories, allow every award to have a speech, and lower the amount of new reveals slightly
@@DzekoVelez I get combining some the of the categories if it’s the same winner for all of them, so the same game doesn’t keep coming up, but when they do, give them time.
@@DzekoVelez or just not be braindead and allow 90-120 seconds per speech and deal with the added 20 minutes of show time.
@@brilobox2 Yea the allowing Chris Judge the previous year to talk for so long is what I assume made them want to force speeches to be faster, but there definitely could've been more time given to the winners to speak, just be reasonable about it. Hell, all award shows need to just like have a text segment for the nominees to fill out for who they want to thank instead of having to thank 1 billion people during their speech and actually say something more poignant. Then they can just roll credits basically as they're walking off stage for the people who they wanted to thank.
@BOchamp01 do the Oscar’s have trailers for up coming films at their awards?
They need to cut down on the reveals and leave that to the developers or E3 to put on their showcases.
The CoD devs responding negatively to Christopher Judge is the perfect example of being handed an easy W and turning it into a massive L. All they had to do was join in on the joke and poke a little bit of fun at themselves over a fairly innocuous criticism which happens to be 100% true. It would have cost them nothing and garnered them at least some amount of public praise.
The problem is it was only like three devs that took offense. And two of them don’t even work on CoD anymore. Super bad to not laugh it off as a joke.
Redfall was in development before the Acquisition, zenimax were the ones who refused to let it be canceled, Arkane didn't want to make it, and the final product showed that.
It was released after Xbox has taken over. Phil Spencer was bigging it up. The reality is that Xbox releases a dogshit game on purpose to try to recoup some of the losses. They could have cancelled it or delayed it and got it turned into a decent game but they didn't
It's funny how JP tries to forget Redfall but forgets Deathloop was also made by Arkane
Different company tbh (Arkane Lyon, even though the founder relocated from France to Austin and then left the company in 2017), plus (reportedly) like 70% of Arkane Austin had left the company in between Redfall and when they were assigned to help with the shit show known as Fallout 76. Redfall was made by a nearly completely different company, even when it comes to Arkane Austin.
Kinda wrong about the Arkane thing. Arkane Lyon still has its own independent management and operates under 'Arkane Studios SASU' as well as being a separate team/office of people, Lyon is also the original Arkane studio before 'Arkane Studios LLC' (i.e. Arkane Austin) was opened. Sure, they exist under the same umbrella of the Arkane name, but their have different direction and different management (Zenimax/Bethesda aside). If there was a hierarchy within Arkane though, Lyon would still be at the top/head of that hierarchy.
Lyon made Dishonored Series and Deathloop, Austin made Prey & Redfall. the only misstep Lyon has made made was when Zenimax had them come up with Youngblood with MachineGames. i know Deathloop is divisve, but i think Lyon hasn't made a bad game they've had total control over. i'm looking forward to Blade.
I think the broader point is, it's not like arkane Austin was a bad studio before redfall. They made prey which is arguably my favourite arkane game, poor management lead to them making a bad game not untalented developers. This isn't something Lyon separated from or immune to.
@@synthiandrakon Well, the bad management came from Arkane through the studio/game direction. As well as being told (at the time) by Zenimax to make a highly profitable game. From what it sounds, the game director(s) of Redfall at Austin had their heads in the sand with regards to its issues.
Arkane had like 70% employee turnover during Redfall. So expecting anything like previous Arkane is not a good idea, it might as well be a new studio.
Replace the wrap it up strings with the Super Mario Underground Theme that just keeps getting faster and faster.
No idea why the CoD devs are offended by the campaign comment. The criticism isn't even directed at them. It's directed at the CoD management who decided to not let the devs create a big campaign this year and instead forced them to focus on the multiplayer. If I was a ground level dev who would love to create a big campaign but wasn't allowed to do so by management, then I would be totally cool with the comment that was made.
I get cohh has some reservations on arkane because of redfall, but that was a game the devs did not even want to make (and you can see it). The dev that was up the stage was super excited to work on Blade. Very different situations.
What they could do, if they didn't want to make any changes, is to just change the name of the show. Games Show, Game Announcements..... so if the awards are not gonna be the prominent most important part (which they should on Game AWARDS) just dont let the audience expect an awards show then. Market it differently. I mean then it's not a "cool show" anymore, but they made it happen this way.
with the "special" EPs in between the last full DF EP, u guys had actually a lot to talk about so really liked it!
27:24 that Todd Howard joke made me spill my beer !
Good show! Always stoked to see you guys play something together ❤
Even in retail WoW there was an expectation to link completion achievements before getting invited to public raids. WoW players are (were? Been a decade or so) notorious about optimizing groups even without the HC pressure.
1:39:24 Cohh randomly pushing button "1" had me in tears
"Three idiots trying to be swat members"
Reminds me when I stumbled into one of the old Rainbow Six games thinking it was an FPS. It did not go well lol.
this is probably because I don't use social media, but the only time I hear about GTA6 being "woke" are from 3rd party people talking about how there are people calling GTA6 "woke"
I think the closest I got to hearing someone talking about GTA6 was a 'yep, that's Florida for ya' and commenting that they hope Rockstar continues with the GTA trend of everything is fair game for mockery.
Thank you for nother great episode of the podcast.
u just gotta love zeke for nailing it
The Day Before was not just 'in' the top selling games. It was THE top selling game on launch day. It was #1 on the Steam list for top selling.
At this point I've accepted that it's turned more into an alternate E3 than a full awards show, but I really wish there was an orchestral medley for the Soundtrack nominees. Music is incredibly important to the gaming experience and having it relegated to one of the snub categories really disappointed me as a musician. If there's time for promotional performances and giving devs so much time on stage to talk about games that won't be coming out for 2+ years then Geoff can squeeze in 5 mins to celebrate such an important part of the medium.
Also well-deserved sweep from BG3 (and AW2's strong performance as well), personally I wanted Ben Starr to win performance but if it couldn't be him then Neil is an excellent pick instead.
I've seen the game awards as a replacement for E3 for a few years now. E3 is basically dead and summer games fest doesn't really replace it since it's so spread out. They should call it "a games celebration" or something since they rush past so many of the awards as if it where a side thing they only do because they have to.
same. i've grown accustomed to watching DICE & BAFTA awards to see devs, artists & musicians actually have a night to celebrate their work. each year. as fun as the reveals are, the TGA's seems more and more crass.
Those comments from people defending The Day Before's 'potential' did not age so well since the Studio announced they are closing down the day after this podcast was recorded. Omega yikes.
It has great potential, of becoming freeware. 😅
Great episode of the podcast!
What Cohh described happening to Hardcore wow when SoD came out is what's killed my personal interest in Classic. It seems like the model is seasonal, but in a way that segments the population in a weird way. (Unlike seasons in PoE, which forces people to all restart at the same time). Whereas retail has a seasonal feel with patch updates bringing people back in waves but fundamentally everyone's character/server/progress stays in the same place.
About Blade - I think we're forgetting one thing. According to rumors, Redfall wouldn't even get made. Developers weren't "feeling it", many thought it's a bad idea to make this game, but Microsoft wanted a big exclusive and "game as a service". So I think we really can think of Redfall as one mistake in Arkane's history.
it was Zenimax that wanted a GAAS, just unfortunate for for XBOX that it launched after the Aquisition and Matt Booty failed in his management to see how bad the game was as he was overseeing the bethesda sub studios.
Microsoft never told them to make it, zenimax did as before the aquisition zenimax had been having financial issues and ordered things such as fallout 76 and even wolfenstein youngblood
Cohh illustrating the play off music xD
I 100% agree with cohh in regards to the TGA Show:
- Amount of ads was fine! And I'm rather critical of the amount of ads, generally speaking.
- length of the show was good! Could stretch a bit longer if necessary, but if possible, stick with this.
- the additional segments like Heilung and the orchestra are worth keeping. Just don't overdo it with them. Intermezzo yes, but don't distract from the original purpose.
Which brings me to:
- hand out the frickin awards on stage and let them talk! Don't cut them off so aggressively. Ofc, moderate it, so it doesn't stretch for 15min each. But either an award needs it be cut bcs it's irrelevant or it's worth being on stage. ESPECIALLY indie game of the year wtf. Give them their once in a lifetime stage.
- if anything, cut down on the trailers. They were good! And I enjoyed them, but if you need the time for the awards, and can't cut more typical ads, then omit a trailer or two. You have SGF for that.
I will say 40k delay could now be because they got more funding due to a tie into the up coming movie in some way which could be a good thing for EVERYONE involved.
The thing with Judge's comment about CoD being short isn't pointing out any major issue. The major issue was that the campaign was bad and he didn't mention anything about how God of War wins game of the year where CoD never will.
Roguetrader is strange. Sometimes it crashes on every transistion and then you can play 2 days without any issues. But awesome game.
I wouldn't change anything from this years show.
The people that got to talk without being played off were those that were presenting awards. They played off everyone else unless they left early. Of course Jeff also got left alone which is not a surprise. I do with everyone got a chance to get their award live. As others have said it may be the only chance they get at such an award so it should be a special moment for them.
Anyone else got the lovely 1h 51 min ad from Amazon on AI?
It sucks because before redfall arkane Austin was making great games, it was poor management and the big publishers demand for lige service games which destroyed them. The idea that lyon is immune to all that is copium. Its not like lyon has been on its A game
yeah, zek talking over things is why i watched dansgaming's coverage.
Liked the game of the year of awards enough with the live performances, but definitely agree acceptance speeches need so much more time per award, with the presenters having less time to present it. Only other thing I'd change is them leaning into gaming industry directors, actors, developers or studios to announce the awards instead of hollywood actors. Feels like they are ashamed sometimes to rely on the faces and names of the gaming industry alone to bring the crowd and need to stuff it with actors to get more viewers. Like having the creators of past game of the years to announce future ones would be dope. Overall respect the goals of the awards and Keighley so always wish em well on future years.
Maybe down the line they'll add voice acting to Rogue trader, like they did to Disco Elysium.
I get that he pays for the show so it needs to have enough advertising to keep the lights on and make a profit but.... Rushing the Game of the Year winner off the stage was a bit of an embarrassment. Also having some pretty major awards get glossed over was wrong. RPG of the year? Start the dang show at 6. Make it 4 hours. Whatever he needs to do to have every major award have time to say all of their thank yous. Keighley needs to remember what happened to E3. People can turn on you real fast.
One thing I will say it's easy to forget but back in the day twitch used too strict when it came to policing what women wear. Back in the day plenty of normal women streamers, playing games would get banned for ridiculous things. So I don't know if I prefer that
I thought they would have said something about the people salty over Spider-Man 2 not winning, but it's not really news to most people so I can see why they didn't.
Apparently the Korean streamers knew 30 mins before the announcement
the thing about BG3, as someone described it somewhere, is not really cinematics/voiced and mocaped, but that in attempt to create DnD based game they created an immersive sim
for a cRPG fan, any Owlcat game, even Pathfinder games, are deeper as cRPGs in comparison BG3, which is still a complex cRPG for general audience (or for newish one), but normal (not basic really, but normal) for hardcore cRPG audience (mainly because it is based on 5e, which is intended to be "basic", for "general" audience, for which it beyond complex btw, for that broader audience, that would never otherwise play any cRPG because of complexity, which is proven fact, they don't). I absolutely adore uber-complex cRPG, spreadsheet of character creator of Pathfinde that 90% of BG3 audience would probably quit or not even touch, as I will sink hundrend of hours in Rogue Trader as a hardcore cRPG with more complex systems, like nerd out more than BG3, but unique thing about BG3 is that it is an immersive sim (idk intentionally or not)
Pathfinder WoTR is good but is it extra special? Because it's Pathfinder? Please, you can play a table top session anytime for the rules. There's nothing special about a game incorporating the pathfinder rules.
Anyway, Pathfinder is not complicated, there's just a lot of feats, classes etc. Any RPG player gets this system easily.
A female lead in GTA is probably necessary after what they did in GTA V. Rockstar has had likeable female characters in past GTAs, but in 5 every female is crafted specifically to be ridiculed or hated. Not a single redeeming or respectable quality in GTA V's women. The one that comes across the best is the female hacker you can hire to be part of your heist crew. But she also has such a small role an so few lines that she's almost nonexistent.
With all due respect to those CoD devs, I find it hilarious the people running a studio that churns out nothing but violent war propaganda are clutching their pearls over a harmless throwaway joke regarding a commercial product. Nothing against these devs personally but that reaction seems beyond tone deaf to me
Anyone whos mad at christopher judge about the CoD comment should go watch Ricky Gerbvais host the golden globes and count their blessings
2:57:10 this made me LOL irl 2:57:10 wait a few seconds
It feels like sega has found its footing as a AA publisher. Things like Yakuza and persona aren't breaking any revords but they have decicated fanbases who will come out and buy the games each time. The announcement this time feels like sega realising that they can just make games in these franchises and as long as enough fans buy they don't have to individually be the hugest games ever
I don't get the opening joke... men are allowed to be completely topless on Twitch. There's a Twitch Partnered streamer that streams every day with no shirt on, he's fully visible from the waist up.
TBH, TGS 2023 is Hella of A Great "Show", all the performance and trailers, if you don't consider the "Award" part.
But the "Award" part feels really bad.
Edit: Lol, typed "TGS" instead of "TGA", fuhrer indicate I view it as a Show than an Award XD
It feels like there's about a 10 hour window of played time for when you're allowed to post a negative review on a game these days.
Less than 10? Too few, you clearly didn't experience enough of the game to pass judgement on it.
More than 20? Too many, you clearly must have liked it to have kept playing that long.
Maybe they should add a "% of game completed" to each review, so we can really narrow things down.
That one person in Cohh's chat that said The Day Before is awesome and that he should play it. Keep inhaling that Copium, yikes.
I remember playing pc games that were advertised on cereal boxes and enjoying them wayyy too much. Sometimes you feel you’re in the right place at the right time 😅
Geoff should just stop with TGA and retool it as just Winter gamefest and maybe just do a Game of the year award at the end of the show, than trying to be the oscars of games leave that to the D.I.C.E awards and the Bafta game awards
endgame has like 330 milion views
People forget that Christopher Judge wouldn’t have written his speech. The writers of the show would have written that gag about the COD campaign.
Ah Devon was actually topless during that stream, what a girl. She definitely came at twitch with that "ante up" attitude. People thought Amouranth was wild.
Discord has been crap on desktop and phone for years. This update is nothing new
I love how cohh is hard with larian and very cool with owlcat when they release an unfinished game.
cohh does shill A LOT for owlcat for some reason even when they release one uncompleteable game on release due to bugs after the other
My only thing is that if they're gonna keep calling it an award show they need to actually present people with their awards rather than rattling 5 at a time off in a break between ads. I love game shows and getting to see new trailers but it's just disrespectful to claim the event is about celebrating devs/others in the gaming space and then actively try and compress that portion into as small a time as possible. Just present all the awards and let them make their speeches within reason, people will be more than happy to stick around for all the cool annoucements (though please I beg less cringey celebrity monologues my lord was that painful)
Cohh is on total copium with Rogue Trader, the game is a large RPG, but fuck is it decades behind BG3 in terms of gameplay and quality.
In what way? BG3's level up system was very basic for the CRPG genre with very little customization. Inventory management was a mess especially by act 3 when you have an assortment of items that could be useful but the game doesn't mark every important item as a quest item, also it marks some junk items as quest items even though they never have a use. Atleast 10 hours of my playthrough must have been spent shifting items between characters or scrolling through a hoard of items looking for the one specific item I need at that moment.
Also, yes its fully voice acted but the dialogue suffered for it, many times you might have 3 or 4 dialogue options but any option you pick will get the exact same response or the whole conversation will just loop around on itself reusing voice lines. Also the game falls off a cliff after act 2, act 3 isn't just a drop in quality its actually unfinished, there are many bugs and unfinished questlines. I had characters telling me off for things I never did or they would talk about events that never happened, like when Gale randomly decided he was in a deep romance with me or when Gales wizard friend appeared in camp and didn't leave for the rest of the game just saying something like "shh she's coming" every time i talked to him etc just so much wacky stuff. BG3 is still a great game despite these flaws but Rogue Trader from what I've played so far is just as good.
@@tonyjpotts The level up system in BG3 is honestly really really bad, no way to see what you get at X level of Y class.
Can't rely on 5E rulebook either, because they made changes to the ruleset. Sure now you have up to date wikis to find that info, but that's still a huge no no for me, when you have to rely on 3rd party resources, to have any idea how to build your characters.
The level up system of Pathfinder (and Rogue Trader) games should be a standard, in how much information you have available on what you get at what level. Even in that, I can't remember if you can see full lists of available spells and feats on any given level, but you really should be able to.
@@jepeman yeah I love having to decide my entire character from level 1? You don't even need to optimize like that in baldurs gate 3. They don't tell you cause they don't want you overwhelmed by tons of irrelevant information. By showing every level up at the start you take away all the joy of discovery in leveling up
@@tonyjpotts inventory management is equally bad in rogue trader. In bg3 they at least let you sort by rarity and can easily tell what are quest items and what aren't. Dialogue in rogue trader is so needlessly dense, without any voice acting it's more of a visual novel than a strategy game. You are likely not finished rogue trader the game is massive, but judging by owlxats other games I wouldn't be surprised if the final acts weren't equally jank.
@@passdoutcouchpotatosI mean people who are invested in character builds like this kind of system. That being said I'm level... 10? and I just pick a lot of stuff at random. Made an Operator, saw there was a skill that let me use Int for social skills (which wasn't recommended, I kind of hate the series suggesting what to pick) and I haven't optimized in any way and am doing fine on Hard difficulty.
That being said I hope the discussion isn't becoming (Larian made the penultimate CRPG, I'll now get irked at any other game being considered better in different ways.) Solasta I still consider a better DnD experience mechanically, especially with Spider Climb and Fly working as intuitively as it does over BG3.
Im guessing Cohh has never payed attention to rockstar marketing in the last 15 years. They always do a reveal cinematic/story trailer first, then they do their 40 minute deep dives and thats when you see all the stuff hes asking for. You cannot say they are playing it safe, just watching a reveal trailer.
TGA's 2024: 3 hours of wall-to-wall ads, and people who registered to vote on the site just get texts every 15 mins telling them who won whatever award.
His own blood sweat and tears? He makes money from adverts. And it's called THE GAME AWARDS.
I don't care about game announcements. I can watch them anywhere. And for the ppl from around the world to meet and discuss their work, that's special.
I won't watch it anymore, because of the way they treat the devs and game ppl. Never again, I'm going to stick to the Golden Jiystick and smaller award ceremonies like before. Anyway, I only went to see BG3 this year
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I'm not going to, but I had the thought even before hearing zeke bring up being shushed, to clip all of the times zeke has been told to stop talking over the years into one montage. I'd end it with all the self deprecating times he says to himself he'll just shutup or times he goes incoherent.
He's one of a kind, yet we all had a kid like him in school. The show wouldnt be what it is without him.
evne though peopel said well GTA 1 was hte first game that had a female protag isn't really a thing. GTA 1-2 were more of a trail and error that wasn't really part of hte series. Kind of how persona 1-2 have nothing to do with 3-4-5
I would love if you could Neil on.
For Cohh not being wowed by GTA trailer is beyond me. when it was a story trailer. This wasn't the gameplay trailer. we don't know what kind of new mechanics will be in this game.
That's why he's not wowed. The trailer was like "oh hear man and woman doing crime in Florida. It's essentially visualising everything we've already known for years at this point with nothing in terms of like new information
In fact, previous GTAs also have many mini games, even if they are less than the Yakuza series (this game is the king of side content).
One possible new activity in that trailer is the Mud Run event, which is the event in Florida where people drive a car through the deep mud, sometimes westling.
@@anakrad.3966 It's not about "Mini Game", it's about "Something Innovative and New".
@sumireravenclaw8034 So, You Are Wowed by a trailer that does NOT show ANY Game Play??? in 2023???
@@nackedsnake1 I agree that GTA gameplay was not evolving that much outside of visual fidelity and AI.
I like dropped frames a lot, but man it's infuriating to see Cohh check out the moment he's not interested. I would have lost my shit if I was JP or Zeke so many times.
unfortunately he's the biggest fish (with the most unbearable fans) so jp and zeke just has to let it slide.... i wish they traded cohh for someone like rami or dan instead
Cohh is the worst part of this show. He either checks out as soon as something isn't interesting to him personally or he talks over Zeke and Zeke is already relatively quiet and defers to people talking. It's infuriating.
I mean, Zeke literally gets up and walks away from the camera the moment its not interesting to anything he does. Maybe you should just not overthink it too much, they are all great and have good chemistry.
Zeke gets up once a show to use the restroom. Cohh sits there and spaces out and doesn't contribute anything. It's a running joke for JP and Zeke to talk about something segue into something Cohh cares about and for Cohh to repeat something JP or Zeke had just said because he wasn't paying attention.
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You should try to get Asmon on the show.
no, cant stand him, all he does is regurgitate reddit posts and react to other peoples content
@@OldRPGGamer Asmon has better social skills than Cohh, at least. Zeke wouldn't get talked over constantly if Asmon were on. Not that I watch either Cohh's nor Asmon's content.
wowHC is barely being played anymore? then go play a different MMo then. lol ESO has so many players still on it.
just stop complaining so much about the music or giving speeches for every award, first of all who cares if they play funny music, it's his show and people like it, second - many people couldn't make it for the award as it wasn't worth it to travel across the world just for a 2 minute acceptance speech that devs probably don't even like doing cuz it's uncomfortable and scripted